How Van Der Poel Destroyed Worlds and Brilliance of The S-Works Tarmac SL8 | The NERO Show Ep. 45
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- The dust has settled on the Specialized SL8 release, what do we actually think of the product ... speed sniffer and all. Van der Poel destroys the field in the world championships road race, but how can he turn things around so quickly. Pas Normal release a $500 skin suit ... why?
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Chapters
00:00 intro
00:30 SL8 Worth The Wait?
05:51 SL8 How Does It Compare?
09:27 SL8 Financing Options
12:38 SL8 Pro only Lay Ups
18:25 SL8 Kool Aid
20:10 SL8 RUclips Launch
22:49 Mens World Champs
37:18 Coaching Killing Strava
42:45 Garmin Climb Pro
45:34 US Road Racing Alive & Well
48:46 SkinSuits
51:07 Pas Normal $500 Skin Suit
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mvdp was riding as a domestique in the tour (where he still lead jasper to several stage wins and also FINISHED THE TOUR), vs at the Worlds where he was riding for the win. not sure why minds are blown that his performance was better at Worlds. he's been the best single-day road racer around for a minute
I feel this podcast lacks the romanticism for cycling that the Lantern Rouge podcast oozes...This is more about stats and figures and prices... Having said that, MVDP wins just about every target he sets, He's just genetically gifted and Van Aert has said this before ' Mathieu can suffer more than anybody' .
@@jasonnieuwenhuis2460 exactly, the dude is from racing lineage and I reckon with his physique he could probably excel at most sports. His tour was pretty well managed plus he was ill through it but still finished. It was probably perfect preparation for the Worlds for him.
And he has the excuse for his team Domestique which he did well for leadout sprints, and he was sick on antibiotics which weakens him, and he was doing intervals from the Gruppeto, and then he recovered stronger
Yes he did not try and go long at the tour, to save himself for the worlds.
I think you are right.. im not surprised, mainly because i feel he was taking it extra easy at the tour, got good lower effort mileage in, then had rest up times got back to 100% and smashed a 1 day race.. Pogi and Wout coming 2nd and 3rd after their TDF performances was probably more impressive, the fatigue these guys built up over the 3 weeks must be incredible and they nearly were able to keep up with MVDP so his performance was human in nature, considering he was lower efforts and had more chill days. Now lets talk about Jonas putting in 1min 40 on EVERYONE in the tour, that is not natural, even Wout said "he was the best of the "NORMAL" guys after the stage.
The last week of the Tour MVDP was just taking it easy with the WC in his mind because the lay-out in Scotland was perfect for him. He approached the last part of the Tour more as a training and doing intervals, riding from one backmarker group to the other. Besides, the big mountains in the Tour aren't really suited voor him. And like you said he was sick during part of the Tour.
Annoys me that they even brought doping up, instead of saying what a wonderful ride it was.... Agree with you..
We live in an era where you can accuse people of anything without a shred of evidence or logical reasoning. Even worse is that they use this to grow a channel and make money from it. There are some nice cycling channels with this most questionable channel.
I think doping exists, and it doesn’t change the race for me. Either the playing field in the top tier is level or not. I think it is.
Exactly. He was also sick for some of the tour. One day races, this guy has proven without any doubts of his greatness.
@@ItsBugsyeven if MVP was doped to the gills that would not change his bike handling or how he recovered from the crash. By the way, if MVP was suspect so was WVA, Pogacar, Bettioli and Petersen.
I think the key difference in VDPs performance was the mid race poo he took during the protest race hold. Probably lost half a pound of weight, improved his watts per kilo, and felt a lot better afterwards.
Lol gross
yep - this cant go unstated. And it wasn't a rushed poo behind a tree either, it was a leisurely one in a homely toilet with fresh ply and a warm wash of the hands.
MVDP is the CX master who specializes in sprinting out of corners and up short steep climbs. It was his race to lose.
100% succinct, this is his home turf.
PAS NORMAL STUDIO is a French sentence used by that Danish brand. You don’t pronounce the -S you absolutely pronounce the P. It literally means « NOT NORMAL STUDIO », simple as that (also they did other skinsuits before, just not as supposedly super aero. Just classy stylish PNS skinsuits that cost 300€)
Correct. "Pas normal" pronounced in French and "studios" in English
As per the massive 3-letter branding on the back of some of their shirts, it also describes the wearers PeNiS
Yeah came here to say exactly this... someone has already tried to correct the way they said it & Chris thought the he'd been told the P was silent not the S 😂 surely Chris is trolling?
I know they know what it means beacase I've heard them discuss it before.
Pas normal is an allusion to doping usually
@@frondantrieb someone pranked them so that it literally sounded like ASS NORMAL STUDIOS…
I disagree with "he was dogshit at the tour". He rode a couple of phenomenal lead outs. And was in breaks that clearly weren't suited to him (all his breaks on days with some big mountains) which backs up the narrative he was just training for this while at the tour (while obviously helping the team win stages). He was spectacular but there were definitely riders with a lot worse tours, coupled with the fact he was sick too...
Hey Chris! The world is really small... Was on a social ride last week in Mallorca and met a guy from Sidney, got talking about the show, and it turns out it was Quinn, the guy who battled the bin chicken! Greetings from the other side of the world
Remember gents, Cannondale is now owned by the same company that owns Cervelo.... There is where the pricing is coming from now.
Didn’t know this… very interesting. How might this kind of merger affect bike sponsorship?
Don't take this as "these prices are ok" but I don't see why not. I know the brand of cannondale meant amazing price / performance years ago. But nowadays you look at bikes, there's hardly any difference. So if brand A is charging it, why not brand B.
They are not like porsches vs hondas anymore. The customer differential there is very apparent. But not Specialized top bike vs Cannondale top bike. The differences are just not there anymore.
Having said that you could chop every bike's price in half and that would still be expensive.
@@8rk absolutely agree. The levels of bikes today are pretty equal across the board, especially for the everyday, non pro rider. To Jesse’s point, what else is being offered (ie; power meter) in that price. But the bikes themselves are a level playing field.
If Specialized came out with a bike today that had significant improvements over the previous generation, I would be asking why they screwed up the previous generation.
Cervélo, Santa Cruz, Cannondale, GT and Schwinn are technically all the same company now
I did not expect to hear words like Offset Account and Opportunity Cost in this show. Awesome.
Re: financing bikes. Your note about the financially connected is pretty accurate. I (and the people I ride with) can afford an S-Works SL8 cash, but may have to pull money out of investments and pay capital gains taxes. I could put it on a credit card but would have to repay it quickly because I never carry credit card balance. And even though interest rates are now 5%+, the US tech companies like Klarna that offer financing on bikes are still giving 0% interest loans. They're hoping people will over commit and miss payments and owe thousands in fees. But even for people with the cash, a 0% interest installment plan is an obvious choice.
Was looking for a comment like this I had the cash sitting to buy my new bike but was basically able to buy all of it through zero interest purchase tools. If used properly and not taking on too much leverage in some cases it actually makes more sense to finance. I.e you buy a 10k bike on zero percent interest or 1/2% if your getting 3/4 % on cash deposited in the bank it makes sense to keep it there
Same, but I put my cash into a CD and earned some interest
Another Great Episode! I always look forward to this hour every week :)
Great chat as usual, very impressive Chris to be hustling while in the U.S. Good on ya both for keeping up the weekly vlog. Thank you.
Sagan is THE peak. He made way more frames fly out of the warehouse over the years.
About Van Der Poel, I thought he did well to conserve energy the whole race. He made one or two attacks, but he was nowhere near as active as Pogačar for example, who attacked a bunch of times, got caught out and had to close the gap on multiple occasions, and had less help from teammates. Wout also exchanged a couple of attacks with the rest of Belgium team, and was overall more active. Not to mention, in crit style races, someone that is technically sound can conserve so much more energy by not surging. After the winning attack from VDP, he was also able to ride hard in his own pace, and the trio behind was surgingm attacking eachother and was at that point psychologically beaten.
If we're talking about doping, or just incredible level of these riders, I think all four-five that were in the mix should be questioned equally or not at all.
Bro. Assioma Duo power meters are $950 AUD
I know plenty of people riding sworks that shouldn’t 😂😂😂
Interesting comment that people may laugh putting Merida Reacto in the same sentence as the SL8, some blokes I know that have owned Tarmac's, Cannondale, Allez Sprint etc. they say the Reacto is the by far the stiffest and best responding bike they have ridden
I think Chris's point about how people get influenced to buy one bike or another is a good one. On a long group ride, tech/bike chat is inevitable, and everyone wants to know the opinions of the fastest people in the group because it's assumed they know what they're talking about, and at least in my experience they mostly ride pretty nice bikes. If you see those bikes week after week ridden by guys who are faster than you, it's only natural that you'd start to associate that bike with a higher level of performance. I think in a way that's even potentially more likely to influence someone than a pro's bike would. Because while you can easily dismiss a pro on a particular bike because they're paid to ride it, the fast guy in your group ride could have had anything and chose an SL8, or an S5, etc.
The same kind of chat happens with training. No one asks the slow guy what kind of plan he's on. You want advice from and you want to emulate the people who are faster than you.
I’ve been exclusively listening to this channel through podcast/apple. The YT channel is a revelation 😂 Love the work fellas. 🇿🇦🙌🏼
Thanks for listening
Relevant topics. Thanks
Strava needs Seasons, every 3 months or whatever there is a reset for the current season and that's the main leaderboard. Keep the all time leaderboard available and in the background but its not the main thing. This way every few months (or year) there is a race to set the fastest times on the popular segments. Then give people virtual trophies or something for having the top time on a segment in each season, maybe even create special trophies for the most popular/iconic segments for every region. I think this would make strava way more engaging rather than it being a "look what I did" social network.
Yes please, I might actually get a KOM here or there then and make top 10s for my favorite local climbs.
They used to have daily ones didn't they? Which would mean you are competing within, generally, the same weather conditions. Not sure if that's a pro feature now.
Not even sure about seasons, but perhaps an all time and a yearly thing
Laughed pretty loud at 14:35, getting a name check for me and my S Works riding the weekend club ride 🤣😂
U forget that u can win time with less power with good cornering, second , van der Poel has used the Tour as a big training all for his big goal winning the WC, and the parcours was great for cycle crossers. BTW, the complete season is based om peaks and recovery .
Great ep!
Would like to add that Vd Poel was sick half the tour, had a bad cold. So he basically couldn’t do what he normally does and just rode along and tried to survive. Also, he is known to be very good very quickly, he doesn’t need many training days to be at his best level (remember Milan San Remo 2022? Was his first race after a long break)
Thanks Chris and Jesse!!
Great show
You've gotta love the circling around and around and around.
I was there at the circuit for the road race. it was beautiful and so intense. Crowds were amazing, great vibe!
Great show, last 5 mins reminded me of the two old Muppets on the balcony bagging everything... brilliant..
MVDP has almost been unbeatable on a great day throughout his whole career. Especially on punchy climbs. Even against the world elite. Look at Milan San Remo this year, but also Strade 2021, Tirenno 2021, Ronde almost every year. Before that he did the same (maybe on a lower tier, but still) in races like Tour of GB 2019, Arctic race of Norway 2018, winning the Dutch NC 2018. His back problems did throw a spanner in the works, but that seems to be less of a problem. That said I'm really surprised by the tone of the discussion. How does this dominant win on this circuit come as a surprise?
MVDP has the most insane CX palmares when you look at them. Literally a perfect record as a junior winning every single race he entered and he entered a lot. He would destroy WvA 80% of the time in Superprestige/Professional CX. I'm always amazed at how people rate him as not as good as WVA when his results and abilities have always been completely alien.
hey guys - great work as usual - love the way you segment the show - i can skip over all the SL8 BS really easily :) !!
American here. I can confirm that there are no American bike reviewers outside of GC Performance. On top of that, most all of my RUclips entertainment channels are UK or Australia based. Not sure why, but it includes bikes, cars, and RC cars. I'm not sure why. Maybe RUclips is trying to tell me something. 🙂
Havnt watched the interview yet bu i bet MVP loved it. Coming from cyclo background. Jessie's on fire today!!!
I completely agree with Jesse about segments being done less because of coaching. I take run coaching and don't focus on segments at all anymore. My coach even questioned why I smashed a specific 1km repeat trying to sneak a segment in.
On the strava topic.... people moved their flex to insta now lol
I have S-Works bikes; an Epic, an Aethos and a CruX. I built them from frames I bought, and saved a bit on the custom pack of components so they'd be my own projects. I had the money saved up and paid cash for the biggest chunks which kept the balance of the purchase off of my credit cards as I didn't want the interest penalties.
as to WHY, well it's simple. I raced bikes for nearly 30 years, and spent the first two decades either on junk bin builds or whatever I could scrounge out of regional team or sponsorship deals. It was always basic or midrange workman tier stuff that I could afford to crash at the weekend crit and replace if something got broken.
Now that I'm over 50 with a very well paid corporate job and disposable income, I'm buying the stuff that I always dreamed about having when I was a Cat 2 scrounging for rides. I ride the HELL out of my bikes, take immaculate care of them, and tend to turn them over / trade them in every couple years just so that I can get decent value back from our local pro consignment shop towards my next high end build. I don't race anymore but I do ride a lot and there is nothing like having a "dream bike" underneath you, it's inspiring. I love working on, looking at, and riding all of my "dentist bikes" and they inspire me to pile on the miles now that I don't have to kill myself with interval sets.
I guess mvdp took the tour as build phase for the wc. In addition, when you followed his cx races/wins the last years, the wc race had the same playbook as many of those cx races. He rides conservatively, checks the course and competitors, throws in some watt bombs and after he has finished making his gameplan, where to attack and in which parts of the course he can play out his skills and/or power, he attacks and flies away.
The way I picked my frame was going to a bike fitter, getting a pre-purchase fit, and receiving a list of a few bikes that would fit me. I ended up getting an Orbea Orca and I’m obsessed with it. Fits like a glove, rides like a rocket ship. Don’t even care that pros aren’t on something with the same name.
The best bike is the one that you love riding and makes you want to get out there!
The Jonas TT is worthy of serious questioning! MVDP world is not. He rode the tour as training, was sick, 2 weeks is a long time when fighting illness. His worlds performance was consistent with his previous peaks
Thanks again. So much to love. Chris: if at all possible get to Marin County north of San Francisco to ride. My home area. Alpine Dam (aka BoFax), 7 Sisters, Mt Tam climb to top. Drop down from PanToll to Stinson Beach, and back along coast to Muir Beach, Muir Woods and home. Available as tour guide if needed …
I financed my last bike. which was 0% for 6 months. I have the money but spreading that cost out over 6 months feels better.
Also if zombie apocalypse happens no one will be there to collect debt
MvdP did the same in Tirreno; leading out Philipsen and training. Then he turned up in Milan-Sanremo and won. It's his way of targeting races....
57:00 - love that reaction. Listened on Spotify but came on here just to see Jesse’s face
"they just didn't make their bikes go very fast".... LOL... this had me rolling and this is me :)
Nice shirt! Great photo. My kid did that race too.
Cool shirt Chris.
I think Mvdp is simply very well suited to super hard one day races as well only having to perform for the one day instead of a full 3 week race.
I agree with Jesse about us not needing pro frames… I had a Slammed Cipo, long stem, flat Aero position.
But I’m 39 yo… I got my new Soloist, and I’m putting down more power, faster times, in a more relaxed position.
Bet money a real pro, would be faster on the cipo.
Haha Rob from Manning Valley Cycle Club. The potholes in the Manning Valley eat S-Works for breakfast.
Love Arse Normal!! 😂
mvdp famously trains really hard when targetting a goal. I think his main goal for July/August was a stage win at the tour and worlds. In the past he has over trained which may have been the cause of him getting ill in the tour which then meant he took his foot of the gas there, to then focus on the worlds. I am sure he would have loved to have won a stage at the tour, and maybe he could have even though he wasn't 100%, but he was happy to sacrifice that to give himself the best shot at the Worlds.
If you look at the rest of the guys in the top 4 at worlds, WVA did a lot of work at the tour to try and get a stage win and to help Jonas in gc, Pog obviously came 2nd and Pedersen again was doing a lot at the tour to get a stage win and to help Ciccone with the KOM jersey. Taking all that into account mvdp probably had the best recovery and preparation going into the worlds, regardless of his illness, compared to the others,. If you then add his technical ability, his willingness to lose the race and force others to chase, and his physiology to attack on those short climbs I do not think his performance at worlds is that surprising.
There’s a famous BJJ player Marcelo Garcia who said if you don’t see zero you never truly see ten. When referring to activity levels and relaxation etc. I think a little of mvdp’s and pogacars success is the fact that they’re very relaxed and easygoing.
Mvdp’s peaks are crazy and that might have a bit to do with the fact he doesn’t have to flog himself in the mountains for a teammate or deal with a newborn or the Belgian pressure cooker like Wout does.
In the Swedish coverage of the WC, Mattias Reck (trainer for Trek team) talked a short bit about custom frames. From what I understood it didn't seem like there was that many custom frames around and more something a few teams use for a specific rider at a very important stage in TdF.
Thx for skinsuit guys - quick delivery to the UK - privileged to own a 'limited edition' ;-) By comparison our club's race kit window (with Kalas) just opened - skinsuit prices range from ~£130 (no aero claims - yours was cheaper!) to ~£350 RR/~£450 TT (aero tested by Vorteq). (We have access to Nopinz as well.)
Another good show boys. For Strava I wish there was a way to separate out single riders from those riding in a group. There are a number of unattainable KOMs near me due to obvious lead out situations. It would also be interesting to see a "normalized" leaderboard that adjusted times to a static, no wind, 70deg F day (nothing official, just out of curiosity).
MVDP - Just incredible to watch i was proper on the edge of my seat. Great call on the TT by the way!
Strava - torn - part of me says leave it not everyone can be a KOM etc. Other part says they need to do something to set real world challenges. Like the "local Legend" but with segment times?
So you get:-
1). KOM / QOM
2). Time Legend (30-90 days)
3). Local Legend
With the various other topics in this show - are hobby cyclists just getting too carried away and the brands beginning to take the mickey due to this? Prices of bikes and god forbid financing them / skinsuits etc for iddy biddy teeny gains - everyone on waxed chains and aero gear, chugging on Ketones - when in reality they just need to ride more consistently and eat normal food and enjoy being on a bike in 90% of cases (myself included) - i'd be better off losing 5kg than wearing aero socks......lol.
Talking of food - this fuelling like the pro's thing - 100g carbs an hour - is this really nessesary for a club ride? Not riding anywhere near a pro level so why bung in that amount of fuel?
Did you see the triathlete video who basically claimed he gave himself diabetes due to his massive carb rich diet (albeit it looked pretty junk food based).
Wrt finance this is something I was surprised with also when chatting to people. It’s crazy. I can afford any of those bikes and have plenty of cash but just bought a 2018 TCR SL DA for 3k over the bikes you had on the list - mainly because its lighter and its not easy to get stock - i did try.
I dint buy the “investment” option for the finance and basically it hardly ever works out. Anyone who really has cash isnt worried about 20k in that bracket its not that much when you are in that level tbh
"ass normal" had me SENT
Bought a house cash 2021. Hadn't got a new bike since 2018 alloy cross bike. 2022 as house sorted bought TCR advanced pro 0 cash, flung assiomas and enve cages on it. Bought a Giant revolt advanced 0 few months later on finance again slung nice cages and a single side 4iii on it. Fleets now fully sorted🎉Cash when you can afford. Finance if you want to lighten the load. New bike plus nice bits on it all at start is a nice thing 🎉
MVDP puts in a magnificent performance to win the World Champs, and you guys bring up doping chat. You guys give congrats and great performance to an Australian rider who has had no good performances ever, who was in the break all day and then managed to stick with the lead group and don't question that? But question one of the generational talents for winning a one day race? what is going on guys...
Bingo!
Half the riders from the break ended up finishing in the top 24 (Doull, Gamper, Dinham, Vermaerke, Kelemen). They obviously used a bunch less energy riding smoothly in the break for the first half of the circuit laps.
@@markr6383 No, Dinham finished 7th ,3m48s down, next rider from the breakaway was Doull, 18th, 8m30s down...
@@jasonnieuwenhuis2460 Yes, in a race with 190 starters, most of the break finished in the top 25. Because they didn't have to work nearly as hard. It is not then surprising that one of those riders got a top 10 finish.
Totally agree about the Garmin climb in Australia, it's absolutely rubbish here in the Dandenong Ranges, Melbourne. Easily the most popular climbs in the city and it's woefully inaccurate for me. Alerts telling me I've finished the climb 50m-100m before I reach the top and the very distinct or the most popular climbs are inaccurately mapped (climbs continuing long after you've passed the official finishing point). Have turned it off until it's actually accurate.
In the UK you can buy a bike through your employer in a scheme called 'Cycle to Work', where for a top taxpayer they get get up to 42% off the price of a bike. So many people buy top end bikes using this scheme, which your employer will allow. Most people will get 25% off.
This has probably factored into bike prices, the follow-on effect is that we have lots of top end bikes in the secondhand market.
Damn your honest podcast is what i needed.
So good. Glad i found you.
I was wondering if I get old or why I mainly see overpriced shit when looking at the new bikes. Guess i am not alone 😅
You have a new sub 👍 keep it up lads.
Best reviews are from Hambini
In that everything is rubbish and i’m not half as clever as my fan base thinks i am?
Seriously!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 AS NORMAL STUDIOS!!!! People getting angry because you say PAS.😂😂😂😂 can’t stop laughing. You’re the best guys 👍
I think you motivation to certain goals also comes into play
Whatever we think about the SL8 you have to look at all the videos and the hype and realise Specialized marketing dept nail it every time. This is a bike that in its last iteration had a huge fundamental flaw and yet the hype over the new one is just as frenzied.
It’s a bike that doesn’t interest me in the slightest, so I’ll be glad when everyone has forgot about it and moved on.
100% they really do it well
Is that Patterson pass the Patterson Pass in Northern CA?
Re: Vanderpoel... his rivals were wout (just had a kid) Pederson (has two grand tours in the legs) pogacar (flogged at the tour and likely hasn't done serious training for worlds. Mathieu is likely the only one of the final four who actually targeted and trained for worlds after the tour.
i feel like JC should recognize that even while sick and on meds, MVDP was basically riding for 21 stages at zone 2 and while that is not his normal performance level, he had many many "base" miles at the TDF ... sick or not, he rode. He logged those miles in the legs and once his health returned he was able to use that insane base and strength from the TDF at worlds. Just my.02 and its prob been shared already but...
In 1990s, a near top spec pro level bike cost just a couple of months wages for a very normal job and cost of living, especially cost of a roof over your family's head was a lot less in relation to incomes. Prices here are a different language from anything I know. Exotic bikes for racing require spares, cost of replacing a broken wheel, and one or two other bikes for day-to-day use. If these exotic bike make a significant difference for anyone except the top riders, then we should have races with bikes separated by classification, like all the different types of motor racing. Which would be crazy
Yes, Nor Cal and So Cal are separate state championships. Still alot of road races in California . You guys should come do a big block here. We can get you set up. Nor and So cal have amazing riders and events. There is a fun rivalry between Nor and So cal but we all love cycling and great competition....
I've financed a bike before, but it was a same as cash for 180 days so I put my cash I had into a cd, got some interest when it matured and paid the bike off 6 months after I bought it.
Nice!!! Way to think outside the box
A big reason these companies can command these prices is because there is still so much easy money sloshing around in the system.
Let’s see where this goes 🫣🤣
This was a course where it was easier to stay away. Look at how long it took to reel back in Bettiol. VDP was the strongest in his attack, and the group chased for a bit, but when they couldn't get to him anymore (I can't remember, last 15-20k), they started group 2 tactics, trying to secure a 2nd/podium.
Re. You loading the course in a race, create the route but put the start and finish 200m out from the course as a lead-in. This way when you do a lap, it just 'course found!' And carries on. Hope that makes sense.
you get a suit from van rysel for 99 euros. don't know about aero gains but for me it's a good fitting bit of kit and i like it. the 500 is normal suit would make me uncomfortable however it might fit me...
PNS is for Pantone Color Wheel fashion snobs, the ‚Gagosian of Cycling’ and definitely pronounced ‚pa normal’ whatever you say over there in down under, Chris 😅
I've bought last year my Ultimate CFR and I've financed it cause my bank offered me a loan on 7% per year,. And at the same time this pile of money that I was planing to spend on my bike is making around 12% per year on investments founds. So sometimes it might be good to check the offers.
Is that an air hub on jesses bike
I don't recall MVDP having a terrible Tour. He was constantly doing the best lead outs for Jasper which was his job in the tour.
Finance smart play so wife doesn't notice it siphoned out of the account 😂
Chris! Can you come race in the NYC area next summer? I'll even put you up for the Tour of Somerville / Easton / NYC Prospect Park / Floyd Bennett series. You're a fellow Cat 3 - the ultimate Cat for us local dad's, we'll get you out to some great racing and food. We've got a spare bedroom, but you'll have to play bikes with my 3 little kids 😅
Calling people cat 3s… Justin Williams is that you? 😂
@@discbrakefan for working dads, Cat 3 is not an insult. With 4 hours a week on the bike, it's a nice spot. Also works great for 35+.
I think part of the issue with financing a bike is that the interest rates are so high. A car loan is in the single digits while Afterpay/Affirm are generally double digits and often double the rate. The monthly payment on a USD 9500 bike over 36 months is about the same as my payment on a minivan. There ought to be better financing options, but it's hard to find a reasonable collateral for that type of loan.
I'd heard a quote from one of the specialized guys that the bar (with its 4W savings) was 80% of the aero improvement, i.e., only 1W for the frame. Elsewhere, another quote from the same guy says the bar is "well over half". So, I'm not sure where you're getting the 4W for the frame figure.
A cool feature on Strava would be adding KOM categories for every year or agree groups. Keep the overall list, but I agree some of the segments have gotten crazy with the super lucky tailwind
Good call!
Great idea, no idea what Stava do with their time but they need more people on the ideas side as most of the new “features” they bring seem like easy to implement things that people don’t really want.
"arse normal" - hilarious !
It would be worth looking at and comparing warranties for these bikes too... Spec, Trek, Cervelo all carry 'lifetime' warranties, so worthwhile investing in those brands for piece of mind... something like a Colnago... not so much
RE: American Road Racing Dying
It really depends on the region, and the race. Some races get cancelled due to lack of reg numbers, or logistics ($$$ permits and $$$ lic). Some race barely scrape by with just enough reg numbers, and others, like crits, or bay area central RR have more numbers (Patterson Pass, Berkeley Hills, Pescadero...). Even the number of riders in fields are all over the place. Sometimes P12, and E3s are huge fields, and masters are small, and then other times it is the opposite. Compared to the numbers 8 years ago, it would seem RR is dying here, and since covid reg numbers have struggled, however it would seem this year, its coming back; albeit inconsistently.
Valley of the Sun in Arizona (stage race) had a ton of riders. Baker City in Oregon, also had a good showing, and was a super fun stage race. I don't race a lot, but I have 13 races so far, and a few more to go, before I kick off CX season in October.
Maybe MVDP is just a big event kind of guy, which is not that unusual in sports. Canadian sprinter Andre Degrasse is nowhere during the season, but routinely gets in the medals at the Olympics and World Champs. Part mental and part physiological -- some athletes taper very well. I used to be like that when I was swimmer in my youth -- swam like crap in-season but with a bit of well timed rest my performance improved a lot! Also, this world's course was unlike anything in the TdF -- sprint, coast, sprint, coast... That's basically what MVDP is good at.
The only time I would ever finance a bike is if its 0% interest. The moment there is interest I buy it cash. My first road bike was purchased through payments because it was 0%
Yes, and considering your financing something that you tend to crash.
would you think there is much difference in a cycling skinsuit vs. triathlon suit, e.g.Wyn Republic?
Just my opinion but the Wyn Republic kit I’ve tried doesn’t come close in quality to premium cycling options
I haven't even finished the Wild One's (Cade Media) podcast, and this one drops! Excited to hear your thoughts on all things cycling
Wild one's is two old guys, that the only thing they know to do nowadays is to trash everything, don't give a based on facts opinion and don't contribute anything to push the sport/bikes/componets towards a better place... if it is to trash brands and bikes, give a solution, don't just say oh the bike lost 150gr but hey don't drink water. Yeah the tech is top notch and maybe you can't just improve bikes like they are cars and push the motor towards a better efficiency and capability of operating with a electric power train and a ferrari be more efficient than a golf
Of the four in the final break, two had been wasting energy big time; MVDP was the smarter guy plus in very good shape, like the others. When you do 270 km, saving energy on such a demanding course is key. That goes for all the big one-day races like LBL, Milan San Remo, etc. So, to me, it was not a surprise what he did, just enjoyed it.
Wasn't mdvp's training the TDF? The way he rode it was perfect for that.
I can’t tell if someone pranked Chris to think that its the P in Pas that you don’t pronounce, or whether he knows that its the S and he’s just taking the piss out of all of us lol
On the financing of the new bikes, certainly that happens and certainly there are a percentage of people doing it where that is a poor financial decision. It would seem reasonable to also assume that beyond those going the financing route, there are those that are maxing out a credit card to purchase the bike, who financially should not be making that decision. My guess would be that the percentage of buyers doing that is likely as big (or bigger) than the financing route.
The dynamic duo!!!!
mvdp was in the mix until bonking in yorkshire where mads won.
wet cobbles is more suited to crit racing where you know well in advance what you are up against.