@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I know you like this little guy. They use it for firefighting which has some cool footage. It looks stupid close in detail.
Its a good thing they where able to get the plane back under control and land in one piece, this sounds like the kind of accident that easily could have turned into something more serious or even fatal.
I'm glad it ended well. Because I am terrified every time I fly. Hoping and praying that the pilots are cool under pressure and will handle any issues like these pilots did. But if it had been me as a passenger on this particular plane, I think it would have been the end of my flying days. Really, I'd have to be seriously medicated to get on a plane after an upset like this. It should make me more confident. But then that would be just too easy.
Well, I've had this myself. It was a BA Cityflyer RJ-85 from Glasgow to London city on 18 March 2010. We noticed the a/c pitching up & down in the climb with the AP connected. I was PF, so I disconnected the AP to try and fly it a bit better by hand. The yoke was absolutely solid in pitch, like it had been welded. I couldn't move it one millimetre. I gave control to my F/O who was somewhat alarmed to find his side was the same. The type has an old fashioned trim wheel, so I just flew it with the trim. We continued South, and didn't bother ATC- what help could they give anyway? The flight remained smooth. We initiated the descent the same way, and it stayed stuck. We planned to land it like that, but clearly London City wasn't a suitable location for such a thing, so we diverted to Stansted. It came free at about 6,000 feet but we landed at STN anyway as we were almost there. No drama, no injuries.
Love the 146. Landed once in really brutal weather. All passengers were told before boarding that there was an excellent chance that we would return. Over three hours of flight to land back where we started from. I.e. No bitching from anyone who got onboard The aircraft landed and I was told that the high mounted wing and engines were the only thing that permitted a landing. And that landing wasn't really a lot of fun. So I like Bae 146 and similar aircraft.
@@freedomfalcon Hi freedom. I think those aircraft (Bae-146) and the like) were flying because they could land almost anywhere, anyhow, with a skilled crew. They are no longer around where I live but I wish they were. One can certainly miss the aircraft and the crews that fly them.
I always enjoyed flying on the BAE146. British Airways used to run them out of London City and I used to love the approach over Canary Wharf. With the water surrounding the runway, it felt like you were landing on an aircraft carrier. In this case, when you lose control of the elevator it is so easy to lose control of the aircraft. So well done to the crew for managing to bring the aircraft in safely.
I totally agree about the 146 being a really interesting little plane! It doesn’t really look like much else in the sky and those four small engines are honestly really cool
Great video. FlyBE was the very first airline I worked as Cabin Crew for, was based in Southampton. I was trained on the BAE 146 but only ever operated it once as by the time I started, they were being phased out and replaced by the Embraer 195’s, another fantastic aircraft! Very fond memories of my FlyBE days ❤
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In NZ they were called Whisper Jets as at the time they were the quietest jets, although not inside! They were brought in as the 737 we had were too noisy for certain airports.
A couple of decades ago I was a passenger on a 146 flight from Gatwick to Bordeaux. The airplane was memorable for its tiny engines and its rapid climb rate with nose pitched high.
I knew these pilots well. When they freed the controls, they had a discussion about whether they should pulse the controls forward (nose down) or back (nose up); if the controls DID move but refroze in the new position then either could have potentially terminal consequences. Ultimately they pulsed forward - the thinking being that descent to a lower level would ultimately melt ice if that was the problem - so it ultimately proved. But this gives you a glimpse into the minds of the pilots who under enormous stress were able to act with tremendous reason and logic.
Such a great informative video on historic air disasters, lessons learned and you're keeping history alive by creating these videos which brings light and learning back into the Aviation industry!
Sounds like a bad Plane design/Engineering pushed to the Operator, Flybe at that time. I flew with Flybe for over 2 years, Exeter to Schiphol, i never had 1 issue with them. Professional pilots at their best as this video shows. Its a real shame they went bust. Many lives were affected by this. I hope all ex employees of Flybe found suitable other jobs in the Airline Industry.
I feel they were unfairly treated by the UK Government, they are charged an extra tax for internal UK flights. I live in Belfast and work in England a lot so used to be on Flybe on almost weekly basis. Whilst I have no love for the Q400s and towards the end it was clear they were suffering with maintenance because I had loads of flights cancelled due to an aircraft "going technical" Sadly I started to call them Flymaybe 😞
what a weird incident, one would think that if they knew that the deicing fluid left some residue that they would have cleaned the spots where that would accumulate from time to time.
You don't know until you know. That's why the aviation industry is the gold standard for safety they hold thorough investigations into everything amiss and quite rightly push through changes
@@Jabarri74 There were some very similar incidents involving the British Aerospace Advanced Turboprop in Sweden. The authorities there did some extensive research before they established exactly what was happening. The composition of the de-icing fluid was changed in the light of what the experiments revealed.
I used to fly with flybe a lot from Birmingham to Europe on these planes. I always felt safer, knowing it had those 4 engines 😁. Flybe is sadly no longer with us, but the service was very good and usually on time.
Something similar happened to me early on the morning of Boxing Day 2001, climbing out of Brussels in heavy rain captaining an Avro RJ. There was a full investigation but the problem was apparently well known to Avro and kept under their hats. Their chief test pilot told me that they had tried to reproduce the problem in the simulator - but it broke! The pilot's notes contained a very short paragraph stating that under certain circumstances "pitch oscillations" could be expected above 300 kts. or words to that effect. In my case the issue was compounded by SABENA local procedures and my first officer electing to climb at 300 kts through dense cloud. On top of the cloud, the anti icing was switched off. At about 20,000 feet, all I can describe is that it was like a giant had taken hold of the aircraft's tail and was shaking it up and down! The "pitch oscillations" were violent. After 20 years I can't remember the facts accurately, but I think the g force went violently from +2g to -1g. In a passenger aircraft with 120 people on board! The noise in the cockpit was tremendous, the seats and cockpit door were rattling, maps, charts and bags were flying around. Worst of all I was starting to lose the vision in my eyes due to the shaking. The first officer was flying the plane, a very new recruit with little experience and he just looked at me with a questioning look. I took control, instinctively closed the thrust levers and started a descending turn back towards Brussels. Halfway round the turn, as the speed reduced well below 300 kts. the shaking stopped and the aircraft started flying perfectly normally and smoothly. Only then did I remember the pilot's notes paragraph. A quick check with the cabin crew established that no one was hurt. The cabin crew were just getting the trolleys out of their stowage in the back of the cabin, had fallen about but were not injured and reported on a terrible noise over their heads. Unbelievably we had experienced elevator "flutter" in a passenger aircraft, caused by water getting into the tailplane whilst we were climbing through a rain storm, then freezing and "overbalancing" the manually controlled elevators. I well remember the parting comment from the Avro chief test pilot - "Druk Air in Nepal have this type of event frequently over the Himalayas". Pity no one had thought to tell me!
I flew with Flybe a lot when I was 14-16 I would fly by myself between Ireland and England to see my dad and then go back to my grandparents. The staff were always great and as an unaccompanied minor I was given free snacks and drinks on the (essentially) 40min flight. When I turned 16 I was able to fly alone without an escort and shortly after Flybe went bust anyway :/
My home airport I only ever been on flybe once from Belfast to Southampton and the plane was old I thought we would have to get out to push it 🤣🤣 then I near fell through the seat there was no padding left but the staff where great very professional and really seemed to care
They used to use this aircraft for the Queen’s Flight here in the UK. There was a story many years ago of one suffering a nose wheel collapse on landing, the pilot, none other than the then Prince Charles! Apparently he received a shedload of praise for handling it well, taking it in his stride and not panicking. They are a solid little workhorse!!
The crash with the Chapecoense soccer team was not in any way the fault of the aircraft; the airline that owned the aircraft used it to attempt a flight for which it did not have sufficient fuel capacity. See the official report.
Its just microsoft flight sim lol Some videos look worse, but that's because they are using msfsx ( the previous version) as the plane model isn't in the newer version yet
If it's the incident I'm thinking about it happened in 2009 when the nose wheel of a British Airways RJ100 (the later version of the 146) collapsed because of metal fatigue. The damage was so bad that the aircraft was written off. There was nothing wrong with the landing but some elements of the so-called aviation press immediately accused the captain (who was female) of making a "hard landing". It was only later that she was exonerated by the AAIB.
@@apogaeum4313 The only information you are likely to get is what was in the AAIB report - female, aged 35 with 4730 flying hours including 2402 on type.
I've just remembered that Swiss also damaged an Avro RJ100 at London City. It happened in 2007 and they had a bad tail strike while landing in crappy conditions. It really was a hard landing unlike the BA landing which was normal until the nose wheel collapsed. Both incidents are on RUclips.
Starting at 9:25 - I agree. Although it wasn't economical for airlines to operate, it did look great for its size. Also, for passengers it was rather quiet inside. Airlines at high elevation airports surrounded by mountains also liked it, because climb performance requirements are predicated on losing one engine after V1; this machine still has three to help it climb.
This was common on the 146, which is why Type-IV deice fluids were not allowed. We had the same back in 1991. The aircraft started oscillating at 26,000 ft, under manual flight. So the captain put the autopilot in, and it went mad - full elevator control deflection. ?
BAe 146? You like it? Has 4 hair dryers for engines! HRH Price Charles crashed one. (The Captain should never allowed him to land on such a short runway.) The pilots did well in this video. Not easy when things go sideways. Well done!
Flew for Flybe for 10 years. The 146 was a great aircraft to fly but could be a handful to manage because ergonomically it had its deficiencies, loads of backup systems which made it complicated technically. The 737 whilst not so great to fly had much more manageable and straightforward systems.
Agreed. They should have warning chimes in place if abnormal inputs from autopilot are detected by the system. This way the crew is warned before it’s disengaged.
I kinda hate to preach "One more display feature"... BUT it would seem that with a lot of planes "going sideways" when the pilots disengage the autopilot, that they just have no good way to tell what the autopilot is up to until the controls are released, and then the hands on the yoke and throttles, just get all that "dumped on them" all at once... I'd suggest a general type of "Control Inputs Indication System" so that no matter WHAT the autopilot was doing at the time, there would be a lighted display to expose it for everyone. That just avoids the confusion of trim being unexpected or over-used before the Captain's aware of it... In theory, it SHOULD allow the pilots to take over quickly and EARLY so the deviation from "normal" is minimal and they can get places by troubleshooting that. The trim wheels (on Boeings at least) DO have indicators, but I'm talking about a short series of LED's or something to show the yoke forward or back, any effort to roll or yaw the plane similarly indicated. If that was readily visible on the console somewhere, perhaps the pilots could even start their troubleshooting before they try to take over and control an out of control plane. ;o)
I've said something like that before. The autopilot can be compensating for something that's way out of whack, and set the pilots up for a nasty surprise. Regarding the question of too much feedback for the pilots, this would be a rare warning (if well calibrated) and have high value to the pilots.
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 Some older aircraft such as the DC-8 had autopilot output meters which showed how much force the servos were applying in each axis to maintain the current attitude. The systems manual advises that if a meter shows a lot of deviation for a period of time, to disengage the autopilot, trim the aircraft manually and then re-engage.
@@johncantwell8216 That being the case, then apparently NOT all "progress" in the aviation industry has been on a strictly "forward" direction... MAYBE it's time we took a tangible step back. I'd suggest it should be pretty cheap and easy, considering it WAS already done. ;o)
Is there any chance you could make the first comment so that it hides the rest of the comments unless we choose to reveal them? Way too often the first comment is a spoiler for the whole story.
Wait, I'm confused...I thought you said this crew elected to NOT have the aircraft de-iced early in the vid?? Then you made several mentions of how de-icing fluid could actually freeze under the right conditions & how ironic it was. 🤔
Good presentation, graphics are good and a descent amount of detail is given. However I suggest you read the the incident report in a little more detail, the aircraft never entered a dive, according to the FDR data in the report, it reached a minimum pitch attitude of about +1 degree nose up. At no point did the plane actually have a nose down pitch altitude and the altitude changes were so small that they never even busted their cleared altitude. The animation displayed is inaccurate.
Whoa! That last landing! Man, you are MAYBE 50' above those 500kvac tri-phase towers! You would definitely "energize" via the emf radiated that close to the tower. No? Well here's a test, go walk underneath a tower where you live, barefoot, when it's wet, holding a long metal rod above your head, and wave it around...actually, do NOT DO THAT! EVER! NEVER EVER! But you get the idea...
I am trained to de-ice aircraft, you de-ice from the front, not the rear so it runs off, I assume the guy who de-iced it did some from the rear and it froze
Glad they lived. Other than that nobody needs to hear my accessment of the situation. I'm a rare one in the world today who doesn't think their thoughts need broadcasting to the world 😂..
Metric is like a foreign language. I don't speak metric. I was born in 1965, and went to school in the 70s. They tried to forcefully shove the metric system down everyone's throats, and, understandably, most Americans responded with a big middle finger. We don't want a _litre_ of Pepsi, we want a 16 oz, returnable for deposit, _glass_ bottle. Engine displacement is measured in _cubic inches,_ not in litres, and the only acceptable displacement measured in cc's is Japanese motorcycles. It's not a 5.9 litre, it's a Mopar 360, it's not a 6.6 litre, it's a Pontiac 400... _Etc, ad infinitum._
I’m from the US as well and while I can estimate some basic conversions, Metric is like Klingon to me. However, when the rest of the entire world besides us, Liberia, and Myanmar use metric, we shouldn’t expect said metric users to convert for us since imperial is like a foreign language to them, too.
Belfast has an international airport with a 5000 feet longer than Belfast city and is less than 10 miles further and belfast city airports biggest normal plane is an a320 but modified 757 flew there once so i wauld have gone to Belfast internalional insted
Look up the original Kelly Square intersection in Worcester, Massachusetts for another good scare, lol. They changed it to a peanut roundabout a few years ago since it was the number 1 crash location in the state for many years. I lived in Worcester throughout my 20’s and it was always a nightmare.
Birmingham in the UK, is not pronounced the same way as the one in the US. Rather than have me suggest a pronunciation, it would better to check with one of the many web sites that help with pronunciation. Put simply, the H is not pronounced.
@@jamesgoodman4457 Such a simple error makes one question the remainder of he research that went into it. Such a shame to spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar.
@BB49 There is a Birmingham in the USA and one in the UK. Their names are pronounced differently. He made the mistake of calling the UK by the US name.
@@flyingphobiahelp ha ha! Another one Americans always struggle with is shire at the end of a number of UK places, they say it like it's said for a shire horse when it is pronounced shear 😀
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The 146 is a cool plane. The C17 is it's giant love child.
I can’t stop thinking about this now
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I know you like this little guy. They use it for firefighting which has some cool footage. It looks stupid close in detail.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation You see, when a 146 and a C-130 love each other very, very much...
The jumbolino! 4 engines 4 short haul. The retirement video Swiss made for it is amazing.
😂😂😂😂
Its a good thing they where able to get the plane back under control and land in one piece, this sounds like the kind of accident that easily could have turned into something more serious or even fatal.
I thought it would’ve been fatal based on the title good thing it wasn’t
I'm glad it ended well. Because I am terrified every time I fly. Hoping and praying that the pilots are cool under pressure and will handle any issues like these pilots did. But if it had been me as a passenger on this particular plane, I think it would have been the end of my flying days. Really, I'd have to be seriously medicated to get on a plane after an upset like this. It should make me more confident. But then that would be just too easy.
Well, I've had this myself. It was a BA Cityflyer RJ-85 from Glasgow to London city on 18 March 2010. We noticed the a/c pitching up & down in the climb with the AP connected. I was PF, so I disconnected the AP to try and fly it a bit better by hand. The yoke was absolutely solid in pitch, like it had been welded. I couldn't move it one millimetre. I gave control to my F/O who was somewhat alarmed to find his side was the same. The type has an old fashioned trim wheel, so I just flew it with the trim. We continued South, and didn't bother ATC- what help could they give anyway? The flight remained smooth. We initiated the descent the same way, and it stayed stuck. We planned to land it like that, but clearly London City wasn't a suitable location for such a thing, so we diverted to Stansted. It came free at about 6,000 feet but we landed at STN anyway as we were almost there. No drama, no injuries.
I flew as crew for Flybe during my 43 year career, what a great little airline we had. I miss it very much.
Kudos to the pilots for regaining control of the plane. Really could have been a tragedy
Love the 146. Landed once in really brutal weather. All passengers were told before boarding that there was an excellent chance that we would return. Over three hours of flight to land back where we started from. I.e. No bitching from anyone who got onboard The aircraft landed and I was told that the high mounted wing and engines were the only thing that permitted a landing. And that landing wasn't really a lot of fun. So I like Bae 146 and similar aircraft.
Unfortunately the aircraft is the riskiest when it comes to bleed air issues and aerotoxic syndrome.
I had a similar experience in a Bae-146 myself.
@@freedomfalcon Hi freedom. I think those aircraft (Bae-146) and the like) were flying because they could land almost anywhere, anyhow, with a skilled crew. They are no longer around where I live but I wish they were. One can certainly miss the aircraft and the crews that fly them.
I always enjoyed flying on the BAE146. British Airways used to run them out of London City and I used to love the approach over Canary Wharf. With the water surrounding the runway, it felt like you were landing on an aircraft carrier.
In this case, when you lose control of the elevator it is so easy to lose control of the aircraft. So well done to the crew for managing to bring the aircraft in safely.
I totally agree about the 146 being a really interesting little plane! It doesn’t really look like much else in the sky and those four small engines are honestly really cool
The engines were derived from the Lycoming T55 turboshaft power-plant that powers the Chinook heavy-transport helicopter.
It makes me think of some kind of drone or a mini A340/c5
Great video. FlyBE was the very first airline I worked as Cabin Crew for, was based in Southampton. I was trained on the BAE 146 but only ever operated it once as by the time I started, they were being phased out and replaced by the Embraer 195’s, another fantastic aircraft! Very fond memories of my FlyBE days ❤
Grrrr. The algorithm is not putting your videos in my feed... AGAIN! I'm going to binge all the videos I've missed in the last 6 weeks or so.
Thank-you for doing all the work that goes into these videos. They are informative and concise, just the way I like them.
Great video! Keep covering these lesser known upset events that we've never heard of, they're truely fascinating!
What corrective actions were taken? Please add this to these videos, its one of the main reasons to watch any ACI series.
Good point
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The 146 is a sweetheart.
I've flown on it a few times.
When it was introduced, one selling point was its low noise engines, they weren't lying
I also like the BAE 146, but being a former aircraft engineer with BAE, I might be a bit biased 😅
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I feel the same way.
In NZ they were called Whisper Jets as at the time they were the quietest jets, although not inside! They were brought in as the 737 we had were too noisy for certain airports.
Oh hey! You have human figures in your video now! Very cool.
They were all able to walk off, or were stretchered off, alive. Great Video! Thank You. 😁
A couple of decades ago I was a passenger on a 146 flight from Gatwick to Bordeaux. The airplane was memorable for its tiny engines and its rapid climb rate with nose pitched high.
I knew these pilots well. When they freed the controls, they had a discussion about whether they should pulse the controls forward (nose down) or back (nose up); if the controls DID move but refroze in the new position then either could have potentially terminal consequences.
Ultimately they pulsed forward - the thinking being that descent to a lower level would ultimately melt ice if that was the problem - so it ultimately proved. But this gives you a glimpse into the minds of the pilots who under enormous stress were able to act with tremendous reason and logic.
Such a great informative video on historic air disasters, lessons learned and you're keeping history alive by creating these videos which brings light and learning back into the Aviation industry!
Exceedingly well done sir - thanks for the vid.
I enjoyed the flights I made as a passenger on the BAE-146. It had a really fun climb-out.
Sounds like a bad Plane design/Engineering pushed to the Operator, Flybe at that time. I flew with Flybe for over 2 years, Exeter to Schiphol, i never had 1 issue with them. Professional pilots at their best as this video shows.
Its a real shame they went bust. Many lives were affected by this. I hope all ex employees of Flybe found suitable other jobs in the Airline Industry.
I feel they were unfairly treated by the UK Government, they are charged an extra tax for internal UK flights. I live in Belfast and work in England a lot so used to be on Flybe on almost weekly basis. Whilst I have no love for the Q400s and towards the end it was clear they were suffering with maintenance because I had loads of flights cancelled due to an aircraft "going technical" Sadly I started to call them Flymaybe 😞
Used to fly regularly London Paris on 146's absolutely fantastic Aircraft for the most part.
what a weird incident, one would think that if they knew that the deicing fluid left some residue that they would have cleaned the spots where that would accumulate from time to time.
You don't know until you know. That's why the aviation industry is the gold standard for safety they hold thorough investigations into everything amiss and quite rightly push through changes
@@Jabarri74 There were some very similar incidents involving the British Aerospace Advanced Turboprop in Sweden. The authorities there did some extensive research before they established exactly what was happening. The composition of the de-icing fluid was changed in the light of what the experiments revealed.
I used to fly with flybe a lot from Birmingham to Europe on these planes. I always felt safer, knowing it had those 4 engines 😁. Flybe is sadly no longer with us, but the service was very good and usually on time.
FlyBe no longer in operation? That’s a pity - I used them a lot too, en route to Shetland.
Yep, it's no longer Flybe it's Flybust.
@@moiraatkinson Sadly yes. Went bust, came back in 2021 with some Dash 8s, and went bust again a few months back.
@@johnmknox FlyYourself
I like when it gets down safely👍
Something similar happened to me early on the morning of Boxing Day 2001, climbing out of Brussels in heavy rain captaining an Avro RJ. There was a full investigation but the problem was apparently well known to Avro and kept under their hats. Their chief test pilot told me that they had tried to reproduce the problem in the simulator - but it broke! The pilot's notes contained a very short paragraph stating that under certain circumstances "pitch oscillations" could be expected above 300 kts. or words to that effect. In my case the issue was compounded by SABENA local procedures and my first officer electing to climb at 300 kts through dense cloud. On top of the cloud, the anti icing was switched off. At about 20,000 feet, all I can describe is that it was like a giant had taken hold of the aircraft's tail and was shaking it up and down! The "pitch oscillations" were violent. After 20 years I can't remember the facts accurately, but I think the g force went violently from +2g to -1g. In a passenger aircraft with 120 people on board! The noise in the cockpit was tremendous, the seats and cockpit door were rattling, maps, charts and bags were flying around. Worst of all I was starting to lose the vision in my eyes due to the shaking. The first officer was flying the plane, a very new recruit with little experience and he just looked at me with a questioning look. I took control, instinctively closed the thrust levers and started a descending turn back towards Brussels. Halfway round the turn, as the speed reduced well below 300 kts. the shaking stopped and the aircraft started flying perfectly normally and smoothly. Only then did I remember the pilot's notes paragraph. A quick check with the cabin crew established that no one was hurt. The cabin crew were just getting the trolleys out of their stowage in the back of the cabin, had fallen about but were not injured and reported on a terrible noise over their heads. Unbelievably we had experienced elevator "flutter" in a passenger aircraft, caused by water getting into the tailplane whilst we were climbing through a rain storm, then freezing and "overbalancing" the manually controlled elevators. I well remember the parting comment from the Avro chief test pilot - "Druk Air in Nepal have this type of event frequently over the Himalayas". Pity no one had thought to tell me!
Thank God you survived! ⭐
Flew on a 146 as a kid, got caught in heavy turbulence due to a storm, put in a holding pattern, landed safely. I miss them.
I have just came across your channel. Subscribed 👍 great videos.
I flew with Flybe a lot when I was 14-16 I would fly by myself between Ireland and England to see my dad and then go back to my grandparents. The staff were always great and as an unaccompanied minor I was given free snacks and drinks on the (essentially) 40min flight. When I turned 16 I was able to fly alone without an escort and shortly after Flybe went bust anyway :/
On 29th of June 1994 a 146 overan the runway at Islay airport. A certain Prince Charles was at the controls at the time.
I live right beside Belfast City airport, it's cool to see my house in one of your videos!
My home airport I only ever been on flybe once from Belfast to Southampton and the plane was old I thought we would have to get out to push it 🤣🤣 then I near fell through the seat there was no padding left but the staff where great very professional and really seemed to care
Great video - personally my favourite type of aircraft probably isn’t one that has ‘many interesting incidents’, but that might just be me. 😂
They used to use this aircraft for the Queen’s Flight here in the UK. There was a story many years ago of one suffering a nose wheel collapse on landing, the pilot, none other than the then Prince Charles! Apparently he received a shedload of praise for handling it well, taking it in his stride and not panicking. They are a solid little workhorse!!
Great explanation! 😎👏🏾
I highly enjoy your content, Keep up the great work.
Great ahow, good research
It was really sad the Chapecoense’s soccer team crash with this plane.
The crash with the Chapecoense soccer team was not in any way the fault of the aircraft; the airline that owned the aircraft used it to attempt a flight for which it did not have sufficient fuel capacity. See the official report.
Excellent video!
I'm down for more BAe 146 videos. Had to do a double take when I saw such a small plane with 4 engines!
Elvis Presley's Lockheed Jetstars were even smaller, and each one had 4 tail-mounted engines.
i was just checking a minute ago if you uploaded already, started watching another video and then got the notification lol
Great planes. Loved flying between Perth and Karratha in Western Australia.
Thank you for sharing
Also, rendering looks great!
Its just microsoft flight sim lol
Some videos look worse, but that's because they are using msfsx ( the previous version) as the plane model isn't in the newer version yet
Props to the pilots for getting the plane safely back on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.
There is a famous hard landing of a 146 at London City Airport that was on RUclips a lot a few years back. I would love to know more about that.
Think that was written off
If it's the incident I'm thinking about it happened in 2009 when the nose wheel of a British Airways RJ100 (the later version of the 146) collapsed because of metal fatigue. The damage was so bad that the aircraft was written off. There was nothing wrong with the landing but some elements of the so-called aviation press immediately accused the captain (who was female) of making a "hard landing". It was only later that she was exonerated by the AAIB.
And I would like to know more about that pilot in command!!
@@apogaeum4313 The only information you are likely to get is what was in the AAIB report - female, aged 35 with 4730 flying hours including 2402 on type.
I've just remembered that Swiss also damaged an Avro RJ100 at London City. It happened in 2007 and they had a bad tail strike while landing in crappy conditions. It really was a hard landing unlike the BA landing which was normal until the nose wheel collapsed. Both incidents are on RUclips.
indead a unique plane, never knew about it, looks cool though
I m not gonna lie i just like the lad's voice!🥰
Good job done by the pilots. They must have had lots of manual flying experience.
I really like your videos, keep up the good work!
What airport did you use in game. Was it actually Birmingham because I definitely need to fly out of my home airport
Starting at 9:25 - I agree. Although it wasn't economical for airlines to operate, it did look great for its size. Also, for passengers it was rather quiet inside. Airlines at high elevation airports surrounded by mountains also liked it, because climb performance requirements are predicated on losing one engine after V1; this machine still has three to help it climb.
I worked on these 7 years…….one of the strongest planes ever built, very safe
This was common on the 146, which is why Type-IV deice fluids were not allowed.
We had the same back in 1991.
The aircraft started oscillating at 26,000 ft, under manual flight.
So the captain put the autopilot in, and it went mad - full elevator control deflection.
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I could see my house on the sim. Impressive. I loved flying on these planes. I wouldn't have fancied that flight, though.
I don’t ever seem able to click on the “links” that are supposed to appear on the video, pointing to another of your excellent mini air crash videos.
You say the de icing fluid froze, but also say they didn't de ice?
Thank You.
BAe 146? You like it? Has 4 hair dryers for engines! HRH Price Charles crashed one. (The Captain should never allowed him to land on such a short runway.) The pilots did well in this video. Not easy when things go sideways. Well done!
A question of nomenclature: weren’t those pitch-control surfaces called elevons (to match with ailerons)? When did we switch to elevators?
Flew for Flybe for 10 years. The 146 was a great aircraft to fly but could be a handful to manage because ergonomically it had its deficiencies, loads of backup systems which made it complicated technically. The 737 whilst not so great to fly had much more manageable and straightforward systems.
How many of these videos start going bad as soon as the auto pilot is disengaged? It seems like a common theme.
Agreed. They should have warning chimes in place if abnormal inputs from autopilot are detected by the system. This way the crew is warned before it’s disengaged.
I kinda hate to preach "One more display feature"... BUT it would seem that with a lot of planes "going sideways" when the pilots disengage the autopilot, that they just have no good way to tell what the autopilot is up to until the controls are released, and then the hands on the yoke and throttles, just get all that "dumped on them" all at once...
I'd suggest a general type of "Control Inputs Indication System" so that no matter WHAT the autopilot was doing at the time, there would be a lighted display to expose it for everyone. That just avoids the confusion of trim being unexpected or over-used before the Captain's aware of it... In theory, it SHOULD allow the pilots to take over quickly and EARLY so the deviation from "normal" is minimal and they can get places by troubleshooting that.
The trim wheels (on Boeings at least) DO have indicators, but I'm talking about a short series of LED's or something to show the yoke forward or back, any effort to roll or yaw the plane similarly indicated. If that was readily visible on the console somewhere, perhaps the pilots could even start their troubleshooting before they try to take over and control an out of control plane. ;o)
I've said something like that before. The autopilot can be compensating for something that's way out of whack, and set the pilots up for a nasty surprise.
Regarding the question of too much feedback for the pilots, this would be a rare warning (if well calibrated) and have high value to the pilots.
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 Some older aircraft such as the DC-8 had autopilot output meters which showed how much force the servos were applying in each axis to maintain the current attitude. The systems manual advises that if a meter shows a lot of deviation for a period of time, to disengage the autopilot, trim the aircraft manually and then re-engage.
@@johncantwell8216 That being the case, then apparently NOT all "progress" in the aviation industry has been on a strictly "forward" direction... MAYBE it's time we took a tangible step back.
I'd suggest it should be pretty cheap and easy, considering it WAS already done. ;o)
Is there any chance you could make the first comment so that it hides the rest of the comments unless we choose to reveal them? Way too often the first comment is a spoiler for the whole story.
Good job.
This could have ended badly, but the good captain and first officer were great.
Wait, I'm confused...I thought you said this crew elected to NOT have the aircraft de-iced early in the vid?? Then you made several mentions of how de-icing fluid could actually freeze under the right conditions & how ironic it was. 🤔
“…they were going to get the plane on the ground, as fast as possible.”
They very nearly did precisely that…
The 146: four oil leaks linked by an electrical problem. In addition, those GTF engines would hum weirdly, perhaps to do with the gearbox?
The on-screen link to the Mandirini Crash doesn't seem to work...
Good presentation, graphics are good and a descent amount of detail is given. However I suggest you read the the incident report in a little more detail, the aircraft never entered a dive, according to the FDR data in the report, it reached a minimum pitch attitude of about +1 degree nose up. At no point did the plane actually have a nose down pitch altitude and the altitude changes were so small that they never even busted their cleared altitude. The animation displayed is inaccurate.
Whoa! That last landing! Man, you are MAYBE 50' above those 500kvac tri-phase towers! You would definitely "energize" via the emf radiated that close to the tower. No? Well here's a test, go walk underneath a tower where you live, barefoot, when it's wet, holding a long metal rod above your head, and wave it around...actually, do NOT DO THAT! EVER! NEVER EVER!
But you get the idea...
ironic, indeed! can it be took as a design flaw? by the way, my favs are the 737 and the bac 111
I am trained to de-ice aircraft, you de-ice from the front, not the rear so it runs off, I assume the guy who de-iced it did some from the rear and it froze
This real?
If I'm watching on a phone and your link is low on the screen, it activates the Play Bar and the link doesn't work.
Trust me, pilots are trained for all scenarios. Then again some people should not be pilots. 👍👍👍. 6-13-2023
4:45 - Rendering glitch on the artificial horizon.
No notification again for some reason
long live flybe
No such thing as SO unique…….
Glad they lived. Other than that nobody needs to hear my accessment of the situation. I'm a rare one in the world today who doesn't think their thoughts need broadcasting to the world 😂..
Metric is like a foreign language. I don't speak metric. I was born in 1965, and went to school in the 70s. They tried to forcefully shove the metric system down everyone's throats, and, understandably, most Americans responded with a big middle finger. We don't want a _litre_ of Pepsi, we want a 16 oz, returnable for deposit, _glass_ bottle. Engine displacement is measured in _cubic inches,_ not in litres, and the only acceptable displacement measured in cc's is Japanese motorcycles. It's not a 5.9 litre, it's a Mopar 360, it's not a 6.6 litre, it's a Pontiac 400... _Etc, ad infinitum._
I’m from the US as well and while I can estimate some basic conversions, Metric is like Klingon to me. However, when the rest of the entire world besides us, Liberia, and Myanmar use metric, we shouldn’t expect said metric users to convert for us since imperial is like a foreign language to them, too.
Belfast has an international airport with a 5000 feet longer than Belfast city and is less than 10 miles further and belfast city airports biggest normal plane is an a320 but modified 757 flew there once so i wauld have gone to Belfast internalional insted
Who saw the tik tok about the 911 call about this and looked this up
Icing caused by de-icing fluid!
Yeah kayak could not find me kayak transportation down river 1/5 service
Over Europe? May want to think about that hahah
It was Europe at the time 🤣🤣
If you think that was scary, try driving in new jersey or doing anything in new jersey for that matter...
Look up the original Kelly Square intersection in Worcester, Massachusetts for another good scare, lol. They changed it to a peanut roundabout a few years ago since it was the number 1 crash location in the state for many years. I lived in Worcester throughout my 20’s and it was always a nightmare.
@@EyeonthePrize247 I worked with a guy on st pete beach who was from there. Even wore the same hat everyone wears up there.
@@pantherplatform
No way, lmao. Small world.
Birmingham is pronounced with a silent "H"
Birmingham in the UK, is not pronounced the same way as the one in the US. Rather than have me suggest a pronunciation, it would better to check with one of the many web sites that help with pronunciation. Put simply, the H is not pronounced.
Is that all you got from this video?
@@jamesgoodman4457 Such a simple error makes one question the remainder of he research that went into it. Such a shame to spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar.
@BB49 How would you feel if someone consistently mispronounced your name? Might you not feel belittled?
@BB49 There is a Birmingham in the USA and one in the UK. Their names are pronounced differently. He made the mistake of calling the UK by the US name.
@BB49 So, you'd be perfectly happy if someone mispronounced your name all the time?
So you know, you Dont pronounce the H in Birmingham, its pronounced birmingam.
He’s a Yank-forgive him. 😂😂😂😂
@@flyingphobiahelp ha ha! Another one Americans always struggle with is shire at the end of a number of UK places, they say it like it's said for a shire horse when it is pronounced shear 😀
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You have only done half a job. There’s no point producing this video unless you explain what corrective actions were taken!
This plane was over Britain not Europe
Britain is a part of Europe so while he is not incorrect he could have been more specific.
This story wasn’t worthy a story! Thumbs down
Snowflake.
no such thing as an accident dummy its called an incident!
You come off as angry...are you ok