Falling To The Ground Over Canada | Air Transat Flight 211
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This is the story of air transat flight 211. On the 5th of march 2008 air air transat airbus a310 was making the flight from quebec international airport to montreal international airport. This was the final leg of a two leg flight earlier on in the day the plane had come back in from paris, on the ground at quebec 139 passengers got off and now the plane had 9 crew members and 89 passengers onboard for the flight to montreal. At 2:15 pm the plane was autorized to taxi to runway 06 and to fly the standard instrument departure two SID 2 departure out of quebec. As the plane taxied the crew did a a few control checks to make sure that the plane was responding to the controls of the pilots well. Since that no issues the pilots started to set the plane up for the upcoming takeoff. But at 2:38 pm the crew got new departure instructions, now after taking off from runway 06, they had to turn right at a heading of 110 and level off at 3000 feet and the contact the quebec terminal. This meant that the crew had to go over some new manuals but it wasnt anything that the trained crew couldnt handle, this was routine. At 2:39 pm the captain took the engines to max power as what was required of him for taking off from a contaminated runway. As an eastlerly wind buffeted the plane the airbus a310 picked up speed as it thundered down the runway at quebec. Within seconds they were airborne and flight 211 continued to pick up speed. As they were climbing away the pilot put the plane into a right hand bank to turn onto the heading that the controller had given them. As the plane gained altitude the flaps and gear were retracted and the autopilot was engaged. The nose of the plane at this point was at about 19 degrees and they were climbing at 6300 feet per minute. This plane was climbing pretty aggressively. For some context at this point the plane should be at about 10-12 degrees of pitch. But just 5 seconds after the autopilot came on the captain disconnected the autopilot and the autopilot disconnect warning filled the cockpit. As the plane closed in on 3000 feet the nose of the plane started to drop. At 3100 feet the plane stopped climbing and then started to descend. Then it started to pick up speed. The descent rate was at 2000 feet per minute as they crossed through their assigned altitude of 3000 feet. The first officer warned the captain that they were in a nose down position and the captain pulled back on the yoke in an attempt to get the plane to respond. But still the nose stayed down and flight 211 picked up speed and screamed towards the ground. In the cockpit the pilots pulled back power on the engines in an attempt to get the speed of the plane under control if they kept this up the flaps on the flaps on the wings would be ripped clean off. But the opposite happened the engines were ramping up to max power. Sending the plane even faster they were now at 2800 feet and running out of altitude. The first officer again warned the captain that the plane was diving but the captain was so focused that he did not respond. Now the control panel was lit up with caution lights. The first officer saw that nothing was changing and he told the captain that he had control, the captain let go of the yoke. The first officer was swift he disabled the autothrottle and pulled back power to 45%. The plane was now going 260 knots in a dive and accelerating. But despite this the plane nosed down even more to 6.7 degrees. They were now just 1454 feet off of the ground and the EGPWS or the enhanced grounded proximity warning system went off letting them know that they were sinking way too fast. That warning was joined by an overspeed warning as they now pushed past 345 knots. The sink rate warning was then replaced by a dont sink terrain warning and then by a too low terrain alert. You get the picture flight 211 was running out of time. The pilots pulled back in a desperate attempt to save the plane and they slowly started to bottom out of the dive. At an altitude of 995 feet they started to climb again. The pilots fought to keep the plane in the climb and the captain put out a pan pan pan and told them that they had an airspeed indication issue and asked to climb to 
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What saved this plane was simply the fact that the FO was a check Captain. There were essentially two captains in the cockpit. The story might have ended differently if it was a less experienced FO.
Most importantly, everybody walked away safely from that one
Did I hear right that the new captain only had 100 hours on type? If so, that's insane! Trying to learn a new role and a new plane at the same time would be overwhelming even without weather and ATC changes.
Thanks for another interesting video. I'm so glad everyone was safe.
This plane should have been required to have a Check Pilot and a Co-pilot.Way too responsibility for the Check Pilot to be the Co-pilot.
Luckily the F.O took over from the Captain. Close call.
Okay, on a previous video I defended your voice volume when others called it low, but this time I had to turn my laptop all the way up to MAX to hear you properly, and even then I had to ensure the room was quiet, haha. Maybe for the next one, just double-check that you've properly adjusted the overall volume (e.g. with compress-based-on-peaks in Audacity, quick and easy).
Love your videos!
Same here.
Same issue with my idiotPhone plus headphones. Worse than usual for some reason. The cat breathing was loud enough to mute this audio!
Me too, I had to put my volume to the max on my LapTop! But he usually has just the correct level, so I don't have to up the volume! He still does a great job with these plane videos. Maybe it was just an "off" day for him, audio wise!! And I listen with my STEREO headphones!
No problem with the sound on my two hundred bucks phone :)
I use samsung gear , actually have to turn it down ,,stop playing thrash metal and you might hear actual Speech ,,
what a loser ,,
Volume is a little low on this one.
More than a little. I had to use closed caption.
Kudos to the First Officer!
He saved the Czech captain.
@@K1OIK as a czech person, I am grateful for saving him 😂
Your normalized audio levels are at -16dB. (You can check by right-clicking, stats for nerds, content loudness). RUclips starts lowering your volume when you hit 0 dB, so that's what you should be aiming for. With -16dB, you can increase the sound-pressure by ... 2^5=32 times, and you'd still be fine.
More importantly, it means humans will roughly perceive it over 6 times as quiet as other content on RUclips! That's quite a lot. You have lots of room to go up with your audio levels, and you should - you stand out, and not like in a positive way. Being on the edge makes it so I don't blow out my ears when I click on the *next* video that does it right.
How does he ensure that with software if his input is not adjustable?
@@marksmith8079 Pull the audio up in the video editor he uses.
In davinci resolve, for example, it's as easy as right-clicking, and saying normalise. All editors can normalise audio levels.
I don't know how to do it off-hand in final cut or premiere, but it should be similarly easy.
I wonder when you'll have a consistent microphone volume level, This feels more like an ASMR video.
This was frightening to listen to. Glad it had a good outcome. Kudos to the FO.
FO?
@@K1OIK First Officer is what I believe FO stands for! But then again, I may be wrong!
@@usmale49 *turrets
Always SOOOO relieved when they all make it😕 What a truly extraordinary sequence of events - it could be argued that a more experienced captain wouldn't have made those mistakes in the first place. Given his inexperience however, there was a check captain in the right hand seat who saved the day when the captain flying got disoriented. For me, more so even than the check captain's assumed great experience, was the significance of his rank.
As the stages of the incident were being so engagingly unfurled by our excellent host, what struck me most was the FO's intervention and further still, it's timeliness. There are so so many incidents which unfortunately became accidents because the FO was too timid. One only has to look at the recent PIA Flight 8303 to appreciate exactly what I am referring to.... this channel provides such excellent summaries that they all get drilled into my memory! The most outstanding aspect of that flight was the fact that while the young FO did make some small attempt to change the outcome, it was too little too late, partly also as the captain was an under qualified, insecure, irascible boor.
Even allowing for a certain difference in culture between the airline and its staff involved in this incident compared to the just mentioned one in Pakistan, one still has to wonder whether ordinarily (ie with a more experienced, more senior captain flying and a less experienced, less senior FO monitoring) the FO would have not only picked up on the fact there was a problem so soon, equally had the personal authority - or perhaps the charisma - to coolly say "I have command" - and take it - and for the captain just flying to have relinquished it so meekly??
Again thanks to this channel, we have frequently heard how such and such an incident was down to poor CRM and that as a result, further training on that skill is given. But what the training can never do is replicate the dire, high stress urgency and frankly terror of those situations. We have really got to be finding out from airlines whether their so called training really would hold up and make a practical difference in exactly this sort of scenario - minus the great fortuity of the specifics of this particular flight crew.
Aside from loving every video I’ve ever seen on your channel, I am ALWAYS impressed by the depth of knowledge you show. What is your aviation background? Found out that one of my favorite true crime channels is hosted by a guy that was an engineer at Airbus. I love it.
If you look on youtube you can easyly find the ATC recording that capture the incident. One of the pilots was transmitting by mistake on the tower frequency. You can feel the seriousness of the incident, especially if you can undestand Quebec's french :p
"..Quebec's french.." So, _not_ French at all.
@@guardrailbiter Movies filmed in Quebec are often subtitled in France. There's a lot of difference. Think about an Irishman from Dublin trying to talk to a cowboy from back country Texas.
@@ccudmore Aye. Fair enough. I'm sure there are also plenty of colloquial expressions unique to the French spoken in Quebec.
@@ccudmore And vice versa.
Do I really need an amp that goes to eleven if I want to hear what you're saying...?
Great video - the audio on this one is extremely low.
You would think he would learn.
Only recently discovered the channel, it's pretty good. Another good video - kinda scary, so close to disaster
07 The 1st Officer, impressive flying.
Great vid!
For those that may be wondering what the "Enhanced" part of Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning system is, it means the EGPWS has its own GPS. It also has a data base of every single point on earth that's more than 600 feet high.
I spent the last ten years of my career working on these.
What do you mean by "its own GPS"? Do you mean it has its own GPS receiver (and antenna)?
Thank you for your part in making aviation safer
@@ImperrfectStranger Yes Sir. It used the same GPS engine (engineering's term) that we used in our Flight Management computer's. About the size of 5 credit cards stacked.
@@mbvoelker8448 Thank you for that but the hero was an engineer named Don Bateman who realized all the necessary sensors and data was present to feed such a device. I know for a fact that his device is directly responsible far saving more than 3000 lives over the years.
@@ScottDLR Splendid!
You really explained things really good so we could understand what was going on!! Awesome job man!!!!
Thanks man! Much love!
yes those old GE engines are a monster of their own. Never saw an A330 rocket out of a runway like an A310. They are insanely powerful !
Good content as usual. The volume is low, however.
Good thing the magic words were spoken....
My aircraft by the fo check captain
Airbust: "The Chryslers of the Skies!"
Thanks for another great video.
Wow, that was close! Great Video!
I think they should have turned back even if nothing else seemed wrong there could have Been damage from the dive but it's my opinion
No, visibility was terrible plus the pilots did not believe the fault was mechanical.
Excellent video MACI!😸
Thank you Mini Air Crash Investigation.✈🍁
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
Thanks... Well done... Impressive.
Your Columbia examination brought me to your channel... And I wondered if there might be examinations of the 2 somewhat recent B-17 crashes.
Thanks again...
I flew on the aircraft involved back in 2014 from Montreal to CDG
If the A310 had already had the sidestick controls that Airbus had introduced, this flight would probably have crashed. But thanks to the central yoke control system, one pilot could see what the other one was doing, and quickly correct
Exceeded 200K subscriber mark!
Good analysis, interesting case...
C-GPAT! I flew this aircraft in 2019, the profile picture on my channel is actually the aircraft flight deck lol, the A310 is a nice gem. Glad to know that everything went well
The first officer did a good job. Most of them are scared to take control from a panicking captain.
If you had listened carefully, the first officer was a check Captain, on board to train and certify the new Captain. He had significantly more experience on the A-310, and under the circumstances was obliged to take control.
@@allanjensen1195 oh yeah. I typed the comment before finishing the video
@@samlibobu6327 I do that too lol
New EGPWS warning... "Too low, audio"
Very interesting and a bit scary too
When they first had trouble with the nose being down, I suspected a trim problem.
As soon as you say "Airbus" I know we're moments away from some automation playing a role in the incident.
Yes, it turns out, if a system involves computers, a failure is more likely to involve computers if it happens than if a system does not include computers, and it scales linearly with the computers.
If a system involves cans of cocoa, a failure is more likely to involve the cans of cocoa than if the system does not involve cans of cocoa.
Your point?
Canadian pilots are amongst if not the best. They've proven it multiple times.
Air Canada Flight 143 (the Gimli Glider), Just to name one. 🇨🇦
What did that roller coaster ride fee like in the cabin, with no visual or instrument clues to suppement or explain the erratic accelerations?
Could the climb speed of the plane not also be attributable to it being very light? It had done the long haul portion of the trip and was doing a quick hop from Quebec City to Montreal, so I'd hazard a guess that there wasn't much fuel on board and more than half the passengers and their luggage had also deplaned significantly reducing the usual take of weight?
Montreal is where the CP Air flight flew out of (in the late 1950's) w/a bomb aboard which detonated, killing all two dozen passengers aboard. One of the convicted was the last woman executed in Canada who was hanged for her part in the conspiracy. It is a little known case that I would like one of these podcasters to cover.
Ah, at 2.27 & 8.12 there is reference to the pilot operating the "Yoke".
I thought that Airbus craft had a Sidestick, not a Yoke?
Mutant aircraft maybe............
Humans fly planes. "What cha gonna do? 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks, MAC.
Great report!
The link to the Delta Airlines Flight 554 video doesn't seem to actually be a link.
I always thought: the faster, the better for takeoff. Now I know I was wrong. It is so complex.
Low audio, again.
I may be completely wrong, but it seems there were a disproportionate number of control/automation-related events with Airbus as compared to other manufacturers (I'm curious what others think). BTW, the runway graphics were really impressive 👍
My theory is that a plane that uses more automated controls will have more issues with them than a plane that doesn’t
Since Airbus basically has a broad design goal of preventing incidents via advanced control systems and automation, pretty much any and all incidents are going to trigger scrutiny of those systems, whether it's because they caused the incident, or because they failed to prevent the incident. It's hard to imagine discussing an Airbus incident without discussing the automation. Putting myself in the Airbus engineers' shoes, I'd always want to know what exactly brought my plane down that my automated systems couldn't prevent so that I can improve my systems to catch more would-be incidents. After years of that kind of thinking, there aren't many areas left where Airbus engineers haven't applied automated systems, so there aren't many incidents left where the systems aren't involved.
I think Airbus systems are a good idea in general for the same reason that self-driving cars are.
I used to do some work with industrial control systems. A common problem in heavily automated control rooms is that the operators get used to letting the system deal with errors. Situations that require a human become very rare, and it is very difficult for any operator to stay engaged and alert for 12 hours shifts day after day. So when those rare situations do occur, the might be slow to react or make a mistake.
Toyota identified this problem years ago when they heavily automated their production. Their technicians took much longer to troubleshoot errors, even though they occurred more rarely. They decided to reduce the amount of automation so their staff would need to take more responsibility and keep their skills sharp.
I'd like to see automation systems take human factors design into account more, rather than trying to eliminate humans entirely (which is impossible for any safety related system).
low. volume.
Link on screen to next video not working.
You’re a really good narrator. Keep up the good work!! Love the channel!
in terms of the TOGA button, that's effectivelivly what crashed the Atlas Air flight...
Well, I don't think all of those things will ever happen again like this.
I wonder if passengers would have any suspects about what just happened
Is it just me or the sound is a bit low? I put it on max level & it is still very low!
This airline seems a bit prone to mishaps. I flew with Transat once, London Gatwick to Toronto Pearson, it wasn't good.
Good thing the FO had his head in the game.
What is a FO?
345kn (397mph), 1,500ft off the deck, A310 in a nose down attitude...Wonder what the over/under is on the pilots pullin' this one off, er, up that is?? For real, I'm takin' bets. 😂✈️
volume very quiet
Ah Air Transat, a guaranteed Maplewood Blockbuster, complete with happy ending - who got Married?
i thought it was a A330 and happened on March 20 2023
Not all holes were passed in the swiss cheese model....
I don’t quite get it, so is it because that the captain was caught in an illusion, so he trimmed down too much?
My understanding is:
1. They took off really fast
2. Because they were climbing fast, the captain disengaged the autopilot to stabilise the plane
3. Also, the engines were kept at full speed due to some other automated system
4. He over corrected by using lots of trim as well as stick
5. As the plane started to fall, he got caught up in the somatogravic illusion and kept diving (while engines were at full power)
Lots of little things going wrong at the same time 😄
Your audio is still too low. A bit frustrating straining one's ears to hear what you're saying!
I agree. And it’s not only the volume; the sound is muddy. Need a different microphone or perhaps try and project a little better rather than swallowing the words.
Shame to see such good work inhibited by something so easy to remedy.
Agreed. I had to double my volume setting to get to a normal audio level.
FO saved this flight
1 dislike for low voice
Having flown the A310 in MSFS I can safely say that I’d rather fly that or the A306 than an A320/330/350.
10:33 Simulators simulate g-forces through rapid changes in tilt, causing the exact same movement of fluid in the vestibular system of the inner ear as actual acceleration. Mentour has explained this in detail in a few videos.
Sorry dude, the sound is way too low. I cant understand anything form this video. I passed this one.
You do good work lad. I would like to know your bona fides. Do you fly? Are you ATC. Are you with NTSB or other? Or is this amateur investigation going trhough public FOIAs? No slight intended.
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How did you beat me?????
@Gute Wasser Sthu 😠
BRUH IM SECOND!
Who is bruh?
unsub... volume too low
i know its a Flight Sim'
but the Flimsy ass Wings
look as though they will
Snap CompletelyOff at
any given moment
lmAo
SIM?
@@K1OIK
Yess a Simulator
You sayin its Real Footage ?!
@@threeten310 footage?
Creator, what’s the reason for the useless thumbnail arrow?