some of the older guys on my crew don't wear a hood at all. They let their ears and neck get hot so they can feel when its time to get the fuck out. I personally wear a hood but There have been times that i have gotten too tunneled on what i was doing that i forget about where i am or whats going on. Doesn't happen anymore but i can see where they are coming from.
yeah could just open a line as soon as ya get there and steam and kill a victim if there are any....some things come before water looked like a good stoop to me
When approaching any fire a tactical mode is decided: offensive or defensive. In this situation the tactical mode I observed was offensive. However, why is it that it took you guys so long to fight the fire from the outside (defensive) despite knowing where the fire was shortly after entering the building. You took so long to decide that when you did decide to stop being a hero and fight the fire from outside (defensive) you had to use so much caution as you had firefighters on the second floor that you could have obstructed due to the water pressure. Thus, I believe that you guys failed to save this property as you wasted far too long fighting on the inside when you could have deployed the right tactical mode from the offset.This I believe is why America has soo many firefighter fatalities as you try to be heroes by going into burning buildings unnecessarily when you could have achieved the same goal fighting from outside. Even if there were to be a civilian trapped inside, at 80 to 120 degrees Celsius they would have burned to death - this is basic fire science that you should have learnt in training school.To all American firefighter remember, you have families. Don't leave them behind because you failed to hear your BA run out of oxygen from a fire you should never have entered. Lastly, for crying out loud, bloody wear your PPE gear accurately and stop unnecessarily exposing yourselves to toxic fumes.
+Emmanuel Williams You are right and wrong. You are right about tactical modes however this one should have never been defensive. It wasn't technically. American firefighters are trained to not flow water onto the outside of a building while guys are inside. It's a safety measure, because with that amount of water flowing it can collapse or pierce walls and throw debris onto guys inside OR it can push hot gases and fire onto interior guys. Also American firefighters are trained to search (depending on area) pretty much every time there is a fire. Whether it's abandoned or not, it should be searched if possible. You never know if a homeless person has taken up residence or someone went out to grab lunch and left their baby in the crib inside. How do you know the house is empty when arriving? You can't. There could have easily been someone on the second floor of this house. Another note. American firefighters are trained to go in from the unburned side of a house and push the fire back out through the burned side, so you don't cause more damage. Going in from the burned side as you suggest would push fire back into the unburned side, thus if there was a victim, killing them since you didn't do a primary search cause you wanted to go defensive from the beginning. There were plenty of mistakes here, however the ones you state are because YOU lack training and sense in quality firefighting. Also America is a America and Europe is Europe the two cannot be compared. They are so different it's incredible.
+Scuba Steve Well said but you A. Clearly did not read my entire message and B. Did not address the fact that you guys do not put on the correct PPE equipment to go into a fire. That FACT CANNOT be ignored. C. A fire is a FIRE universal, be it America or Europe so your point there is invalid. As any FIREFIGHTER needs to wear PPE PERIOD. Moreover, If you watch the video, a primary search was carried out on arrival to the building by 2 crews. How many searches do you want to do on a small building before you tackle a blaze. Another note. The point of the message was PPE must be worn at all times, not having a dig a American firefighters. I am a bloody Firefighter myself. My whole life is dedicated to this cause. Now if you are saying that the basic law requirement for wearing PPE in AMERICA AND EUROPE are so different they cannot be compared, I suggest your laws be revised. The confidence to say your value for the life for a firefighter can be compromised and say I lack quality training is shocking. You are not even putting your BASIC training into practice. UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL. It may be best to agree to disagree. I am a professional and thus no foul language is being used that would deem unprofessional. If you are a firefighter I salute you as we are brothers. But if you are not. Then you wouldn't have a clue as to the dangers that can be eliminated if the correct PPE is adhered to and HEROISM denied.
+Emmanuel Williams We got two different explanations from your original message. More over I was concerned with the tactics than PPE. That's not a lack of value for life but when it comes to PPE it should all be worn at all times (some choose to not do this which is really dumb, however it's a personal choice). Personally I've had my ears cooked WHILE wearing a hood and it is no fun. This isn't my department I can't vouch for them or tell they need to do this or that. So the video is kind of irrelevant at that point. It sucks seeing guys misuse their gear but once again, personally you or I can't do anything about it. All we can do is take care of our own guys and ourselves. Also I did read your entire message, I wouldn't have responded without doing so. I chose not to address the PPE problems for the reasons above. I also put there were plenty of mistakes in my former message that was directed to the PPE problems but I should have addressed it directly. My bad. Also while a fire is a fire universally, the way we attack them can be usually very different. Equipment and building construction has a lot to do with that. Which is why our tactics differ on this fire very much. The reason two crews were assigned to searches were it seemed like one did a search above the fire, and one did a search below the fire. If you have the manpower to do this, then it saves time and energy, so that when they are done they can be refocused onto other tasks. Still the buildings in the US have to be searched almost all the time. It's just a much different culture over here as regards to poverty, homeless, and stuff like that. THAT is truly disgraceful, but that's another matter entirely. However it seems our little disagreement was both just a miscommunication. I worried more about your tactics choice where as you worried about the PPE. No worries. Also I am a firefighter, worked a 5000 calls a year Engine company, and one or two much smaller departments and now looking for a better fire dept elsewhere. Also once again I wear my PPE, this video does not show my department and if it did then I would be having a few choice words with my guys, however your point is duly noted. Another point in your original post though, most American firefighter fatalities come from cardiac and medical related causes not fire related fatalities. Further helps the stereotype we are a bunch of fat lazy rednecks. Well most of us are anyway. Also not sure where you are a firefighter, and this is totally a dig at whereever you are. Anything other than a traditional American Leather helmet is UGLY! ;-) Cheers! Keep up the good work brother!
Well I apologise Steve. I poorly expressed myself too. I guess we were saying the same thing all along. I do salute you and your department. I am a London Firefighter. Brothers/sisters in Arms aye! It is a shame about the poverty in America with regards to homelessness. I guess it's everywhere but we public service personnel see this issue on a daily basis. Take care Sir. Stay safe and look after your family and community.
+Emmanuel Williams Yea I apologize as well. Problem is we care too much. Haha. Not a bad thing. And hey I've met some London firefighters before. You guys are some pretty top shelf firefighters. Anyway you do the same and take care. Hey and have a bev on me next time you are out and about and I'll toast one up to you. Take care.
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Good job guys you whooped it's tail and everybody is back at the station.
Nice work Mikey!
do you guys over the sea not use flash hoods?
thats interesting at around 415 he doesnt use a hood with him face piece. We always use hoods to protect the skin around the neck and jaw line
he was searching plus they knew where it was so they made sure not to get to close
some of the older guys on my crew don't wear a hood at all. They let their ears and neck get hot so they can feel when its time to get the fuck out. I personally wear a hood but There have been times that i have gotten too tunneled on what i was doing that i forget about where i am or whats going on. Doesn't happen anymore but i can see where they are coming from.
I'm guessing that it was electrical and that it was in the walls??
what caused the fire?
what's the name of the song?
fast knockdown? lol
+heavyhitta52 if 10 min to get water on it is fast, then hell some people may be the damn flash
yeah could just open a line as soon as ya get there and steam and kill a victim if there are any....some things come before water looked like a good stoop to me
When approaching any fire a tactical mode is decided: offensive or defensive. In this situation the tactical mode I observed was offensive. However, why is it that it took you guys so long to fight the fire from the outside (defensive) despite knowing where the fire was shortly after entering the building. You took so long to decide that when you did decide to stop being a hero and fight the fire from outside (defensive) you had to use so much caution as you had firefighters on the second floor that you could have obstructed due to the water pressure. Thus, I believe that you guys failed to save this property as you wasted far too long fighting on the inside when you could have deployed the right tactical mode from the offset.This I believe is why America has soo many firefighter fatalities as you try to be heroes by going into burning buildings unnecessarily when you could have achieved the same goal fighting from outside. Even if there were to be a civilian trapped inside, at 80 to 120 degrees Celsius they would have burned to death - this is basic fire science that you should have learnt in training school.To all American firefighter remember, you have families. Don't leave them behind because you failed to hear your BA run out of oxygen from a fire you should never have entered. Lastly, for crying out loud, bloody wear your PPE gear accurately and stop unnecessarily exposing yourselves to toxic fumes.
+Emmanuel Williams You are right and wrong. You are right about tactical modes however this one should have never been defensive. It wasn't technically. American firefighters are trained to not flow water onto the outside of a building while guys are inside. It's a safety measure, because with that amount of water flowing it can collapse or pierce walls and throw debris onto guys inside OR it can push hot gases and fire onto interior guys. Also American firefighters are trained to search (depending on area) pretty much every time there is a fire. Whether it's abandoned or not, it should be searched if possible. You never know if a homeless person has taken up residence or someone went out to grab lunch and left their baby in the crib inside. How do you know the house is empty when arriving? You can't. There could have easily been someone on the second floor of this house. Another note. American firefighters are trained to go in from the unburned side of a house and push the fire back out through the burned side, so you don't cause more damage. Going in from the burned side as you suggest would push fire back into the unburned side, thus if there was a victim, killing them since you didn't do a primary search cause you wanted to go defensive from the beginning. There were plenty of mistakes here, however the ones you state are because YOU lack training and sense in quality firefighting. Also America is a America and Europe is Europe the two cannot be compared. They are so different it's incredible.
+Scuba Steve Well said but you A. Clearly did not read my entire message and B. Did not address the fact that you guys do not put on the correct PPE equipment to go into a fire. That FACT CANNOT be ignored. C. A fire is a FIRE universal, be it America or Europe so your point there is invalid. As any FIREFIGHTER needs to wear PPE PERIOD. Moreover, If you watch the video, a primary search was carried out on arrival to the building by 2 crews. How many searches do you want to do on a small building before you tackle a blaze. Another note. The point of the message was PPE must be worn at all times, not having a dig a American firefighters. I am a bloody Firefighter myself. My whole life is dedicated to this cause. Now if you are saying that the basic law requirement for wearing PPE in AMERICA AND EUROPE are so different they cannot be compared, I suggest your laws be revised. The confidence to say your value for the life for a firefighter can be compromised and say I lack quality training is shocking. You are not even putting your BASIC training into practice. UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL. It may be best to agree to disagree. I am a professional and thus no foul language is being used that would deem unprofessional. If you are a firefighter I salute you as we are brothers. But if you are not. Then you wouldn't have a clue as to the dangers that can be eliminated if the correct PPE is adhered to and HEROISM denied.
+Emmanuel Williams We got two different explanations from your original message. More over I was concerned with the tactics than PPE. That's not a lack of value for life but when it comes to PPE it should all be worn at all times (some choose to not do this which is really dumb, however it's a personal choice). Personally I've had my ears cooked WHILE wearing a hood and it is no fun. This isn't my department I can't vouch for them or tell they need to do this or that. So the video is kind of irrelevant at that point. It sucks seeing guys misuse their gear but once again, personally you or I can't do anything about it. All we can do is take care of our own guys and ourselves. Also I did read your entire message, I wouldn't have responded without doing so. I chose not to address the PPE problems for the reasons above. I also put there were plenty of mistakes in my former message that was directed to the PPE problems but I should have addressed it directly. My bad. Also while a fire is a fire universally, the way we attack them can be usually very different. Equipment and building construction has a lot to do with that. Which is why our tactics differ on this fire very much. The reason two crews were assigned to searches were it seemed like one did a search above the fire, and one did a search below the fire. If you have the manpower to do this, then it saves time and energy, so that when they are done they can be refocused onto other tasks. Still the buildings in the US have to be searched almost all the time. It's just a much different culture over here as regards to poverty, homeless, and stuff like that. THAT is truly disgraceful, but that's another matter entirely. However it seems our little disagreement was both just a miscommunication. I worried more about your tactics choice where as you worried about the PPE. No worries. Also I am a firefighter, worked a 5000 calls a year Engine company, and one or two much smaller departments and now looking for a better fire dept elsewhere. Also once again I wear my PPE, this video does not show my department and if it did then I would be having a few choice words with my guys, however your point is duly noted. Another point in your original post though, most American firefighter fatalities come from cardiac and medical related causes not fire related fatalities. Further helps the stereotype we are a bunch of fat lazy rednecks. Well most of us are anyway. Also not sure where you are a firefighter, and this is totally a dig at whereever you are. Anything other than a traditional American Leather helmet is UGLY! ;-) Cheers! Keep up the good work brother!
Well I apologise Steve. I poorly expressed myself too. I guess we were saying the same thing all along. I do salute you and your department. I am a London Firefighter. Brothers/sisters in Arms aye!
It is a shame about the poverty in America with regards to homelessness. I guess it's everywhere but we public service personnel see this issue on a daily basis.
Take care Sir. Stay safe and look after your family and community.
+Emmanuel Williams Yea I apologize as well. Problem is we care too much. Haha. Not a bad thing. And hey I've met some London firefighters before. You guys are some pretty top shelf firefighters. Anyway you do the same and take care. Hey and have a bev on me next time you are out and about and I'll toast one up to you. Take care.