280bhp Alfa Romeo Tonale PHEV Q4 gets the performance it needs ! [ROAD AND TRACK REVIEW]
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- The all new 280bhp Alfa Romeo Tonale Plug-In Hybrid finally has the performance the chassis needed. It was always a good looking car and certainly had the Alfa driving feel, but for me the 160hp Hybrid that was first to market lacked performance for the more spirited driver. I was invited to Alfa Romeo's test track, Balocco, to drive the new PHEV in the mountains above Milan and then on track. I was joined by my mate StefABTV and let's just say we had fun !
FULL TONALE REVIEW
• FIRST DRIVE - Alfa Rom...
Video Contents
00:00 - Introduction
00:41 - External Walk-around
03:03 - Initial Driving Impressions
05:57 - EV only driving
09:07 - The best mountain road ever !
11:45 - We set the brakes on fire !
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These new products from Alfa Romeo are terrific Pete. We own a Stelvio now, and love every minute of it.
Love the Stelvio 👌
Alfa for real car drivers love them
Alfa romeo, Best brand in the world. Cars are machines, Alfas are alive. Thank you for this one.
Couldn't agree more!
Alfa Romeo is one of a few brands that can make fun SUVs and make them feel like hot hatches
Yep 👍
Too bad there will be so much sharing with the Dodge Hornet in the US. The Tonale will get lost in the Hornet promotions.
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@@rlsedition Dodge Hornet is essentially rebadged Alfa Romeo Tonale with different bumpers. It’s not Dodge and I personally find it a bit disgusting. They have ruined the Tonale which I really like. I would have much preferred if they had used the Jeep Compass for Hornet. Hornet will confuse Dodge people with Italian engineering. It doesn’t even deserve the attention. Alfa Romeo is the star.
@@mikojarvinen6273 I'm with you on this issue. Alfa did all the work on the Tonale only to give it all to Dodge virtually unchanged. Hornet may confuse Dodge buyers, but it will further hurt the Alfa Romeo brand in the US market when it's the same car at a lower price point. Maybe Dodge needed a new small car entry, but the way Stellantis chose to create the Hornet was a death nell to Alfa in the US. Why kill Alfa to benefit Dodge?
So much fun watching you guys gigglin' and enjoyin' the drive on the track ... 👍😁😎
Haha this was great fun mate! Track time was immense 😂
Great times mate. Such fun 👍
So much fun watching you two having so much fun!
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Great vid.That is a nice car.Looks like you had a lot of fun and nicely driven as always.Thanks.
Thanks 🙏🏻
Great video guys! Well done 👏
Was able to watch this just before leaving for work today! Great video glad to see a more powerful version of this little suv and I agree Sir Pete a even higher performance version would be fantastic! So awesome to see you and steph back together in a video! Was a hoot watching you to just enjoy the car and seeing your reactions to how much fun it was!
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Loved this video! Amazing what can be done with a small family SUV.
Thanks 🙏🏻
What a car, what a review, what a road and what an experience feel. Thanks Peter. I love Alfa romeo
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome vid, loved that one.
Enjoyed that as much as you did Pete! Brilliant drive and a good car, the brakes overheated, but as you rightly said, you wouldn’t be driving it in such conditions anyway. Cheers! Tom
I was braking very late and very hard 😂
Hi. Another great collaboration production pal. The ‘e-save’ button made me smile, all I could think of was Yorkshire Tea, which is my fave before anyone says. This car is impressive on track.
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Great video and another great Alfa
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I test drove the 160hp version and was wondering why Alfa bothered. Thankfully, the 280hp PHEV looks likely to change that view. The thing is we don’t yet get it in Oz. At last a decent review of the Tonale. There is hope for it. 👍🤞
glad you told us the speed on track....Stef was right , it looked slow.....so numbers made things much more impressive...looks like a great car with ev range enough to not need the engine on a normal daily basis
As a confirmed Alfaholic, that looks a fun Softroader for a PHEV.
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Looks like great fun, now make it smaller and then I'm in!
Looks like a great car. I'm a fan of a plug in hybrid. The best of both worlds in my view, just as long as cost per unit of electric doesn't shoot up. Why weren't you playon "On days like these" by Matt Munro when you were on that cool road? And yes it does look slow on the video! Obviously it wasn't. Great vid Pedro. Keep 'em coming.... :)
Looks like you two had a fun trip.
We sure did 👍
Great review. Tonale 280 ordered on the basis of this review over the 160. My 6th Alfa. Cheers.
Great choice 👍
Me too, but will have to wait till end of year. But I have ordered it 6 year old Stelvio will be sorry to see go.
One word fantastic 😊😊
Master driver PP, spanks poor old StefABtv, who nearly threw-up. Pure magic!!
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Now I really want one!
I'm going to watch Steff's video, to see what you are like as a passenger!🤣🤣
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Loved it. ❤
Doesn't look slow as suggested it might. This is the car I have been waiting for.
It was pretty nippy 👍
Hi Ped
Great to see Stef back with you, obviously having a lot of fun. Do not think however you needed much encouragement. Can appreciate your love of the Alfa brand which I share, having had one many years ago, when heart overuled head, but that is another story. One question how would this fair against a Macan🤔
Handling - close. Performance - not quite there 👎
this has to be up there as one of your best videos, so glad to see you having fun hooning it around a track, though the driver in front didnt drive quick enough by the looks of things!!
the car looks great and love the ide of 50 miles of EV range, that should be the mininum a PHEV should offering, 30-35 max is just not really enough, at least with a 50 mile max you should get at a guess 30-35 even in colder weather.
the fact you can charge the battery whilst driving on ICE mode is great as could use the PHEV battery at your destination.
i drive approx 120 miles to work, but then only do just 5-6 miles a day commuting, so i could easily use the EV part could do the whole of my 4 or 5 days on shift, which is a maximum of 30 miles.
Not to mention 370 miles roughly wouldnt quite get me to scotland from devon, but i usually stop in stoke and carlisle anyway, where i could stop to fill up and maybe partially charge the battery whilst having a break.
what sort of charging time is the battery say even to 80%?
Thanks 🙏🏻
Now that`s an Alfa... i believe you got it up to temperature!
Err…yep 😂
great looking car and drive
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Lovely colour, and it's appealing with the battery range plus 1.3 cheaper to tax and insure
Test Drive booked after watching this video.
Great 👍
Morning, Peter , sorry but may not make Sunday not feeling so well . Hope it all goes well . The Alfa on Italian roads should be a blast 😊
Oh mate sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better soon 👍
A very interesting video well done ✔️✔️
Thanks 🙏🏻
Hello Peter..and Stef!! Well a good car in that version then and going by the brakes, you were trying hard…it didn’t seem to look like that though so maybe that shows it is stable and capable. However given the U.K. network, I’m not sure I would ever be brave enough to buy one…Alfa tries so hard but struggles in this Country. I’m glad you enjoyed it though!!😀😀😀😀
Hi, yes enjoyed that! It would be good to have a What3Words for somewhere on the nice roads please.
Don’t leave it so long guys - that was funny!
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And again here we have some food for the algorithm ;-)
Thats a car I would consider.
It’s really good 👍
When Stef said they were doing 177 (kph) on track I was surprised - it didn't look fast. But it's a tall (ish) car so maybe the speed is deceptive. Those braking hazard lights would do my head in - I guess you can't turn them off. Great review though - well done Pete.
You can’t turn them off but you have to be braking very hard to activate them 😬
@@PetrolPed I was playing with VCDS on my Audi A4 earlier, and saw I could enable them. Decided to pass on that bit of coding!!!!
Beautiful looking car
Yep 👍
I was there Yesterday with French Group ! It would be fun to see U there ! 😁 Seems you appreciate also ! :)
Hope you enjoyed it too 👍
First!! Good morning all! Hope everyone is doing well this morning? I will save this video in my watch later folder for later in the day.
Morning 😂
Petrol rules that engine purr’s :) Great green color:) is it st Patrick green????
That's more like it, I'd really consider one of these, I also like the VZ2 Formentor but wifey says keep the JCW.
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Good Morning from Hamburg
Morning 👋
Hilarious. I'm glad someone actually said it drives like an Alfa Romeo.
You two are like a couple of naughty school boys when you're together!
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Sacre bleu! Those brakes are done
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Guys can you please talk about manual shifting? Can you hold on to the revs to the limiter? What issues did you have manual shifting? Im hoping for a car that can do it all, commute on ev, long lazy drives in normal mode/comfort, and quick B road driving banging through the gears, downshifting etc.
But now that’s the conundrum, a 280 PHEV eAWD or wait in hope of a QV 🤞
I love my Giulia but am underwhelmed by the Stelvio. Maybe the Tonale will suit me better. Hard to believe I saw one in Arese over three years ago and it's only just about to come to the US.
Can they not put the 2.0LT engine that is in the Horner with the rear motor and make Quad car?
Do we get the ambient lighting on dash like they on some pictures for uk models?
Yes 👍
I had one of these on loan while my Stelvio was in for a service. It looks good but drives terribly compared to the Stelvio. I couldn't wait to give it back!
The Phew or the mild hybrid?
@@moma2911 Mild Hybrid I believe, it's been a while.
@@5_star_stays Yeah that's a pretty bad version, this plug in is a whole new car, try that one next time
I hope you calculated the MPH afterwards. 177kph is a bit more than 90..(let's say 110) Lovely video. If they would only put that drivetrain in a small coupé with retro Alfa looks. (Emilia GT???)
I put a pop up on screen saying 110 👍
@@PetrolPed Missed that. Still impressive!😄
Smokin’
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Hi @petrolHead any idea what was the fuel economy on this thing? Is it worse than MHEV version or better or the same? The claimed 600km range together with fully charged battery is quite short, but I assume it has a smaller fuel tank as well. Don't mind stopping at the gas station more often due to smaller tank, but I hope it also doesn't drink a lot bc it carries batteries etc.
Did test the economy but the range is down to tank size. It’s a compact car 👍
@@PetrolPed Thank you! Last question I promise. Was the engine sound inside and outside any better than mhev versions? Or is it the same?
Why haven't they put an ZF gearbox?
I thought you had Jo (the screamer) sat next to you on the track, not #stefabtv. 😂
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It would be cool to have it in EV only mode with traction control off and doing donuts with it
Oh yes 😂
Morning all...
Morning 😂
Great sounding name in Italian. Will just be called the toe nail in English! Jokes aside an interesting car
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First - this only happens on embargoed vids. Sydney isn't time friendly for PP :)
Maybe I should drop them in the morning more often 😂
The country road footage looked more exciting than the track footage.
If you are on a road trip and the batteries are dead, does that mean that it is only front wheel drive till you recharge again? That will suck.
Good question. Probably for a short time while you build some charge back into the battery 🤔
Plus no AWD in EV mode. Anyone hoping to make use of the AWD may be very disappointed. Still a great motor with some quirks..just ordered the Ti 160hp hybrid.
I noticed on longer trips when the battery runs out it's still mighty fast though it does rev a little more eagerly. It always keeps for about 3 to 4 km of charge in the battery to guarantee availability of AWD (so it seems to have a hybrid mode that is independent of the ICE+EV hybrid mode with battery charge). The moment you go off the accelerator it does fairly strong regen 'braking' and looking at the Energy Flow tab in the e-Hybrid screen (of the Infotainment system) it seems to send some power to the battery in D mode even when applying accelerator(*).
So, unless you keep accelerating for a very long time (or would maintain constant energy if it were possible---so also slowing down going uphill f.i.---) there is always some juice left in the battery for eAWD acceleration. Obviously that energy has to come from somewhere, and if it's not from gravity (like rolling downhill), it has to come from higher fuel consumption. (Recuperating kinetic energy for battery charge through regen braking instead of coasting obviously means you need to go sooner on the accelerator to maintain speed and so this also impacts fuel consumption.)
Yet below 100 km/h fuel economy is reasonable, even with spirited driving (compared to my previous car at less than half the power with pure petrol ICE; if you want numbers I need to start noting them down once it gains a bit of age).
(*) There is apparently a 20 kW or so generator attached to the ICE. Some documentation suggests it's a starter motor (but why? compactness?), other documentation suggests it's a generator to maintain minimum battery charge. However, on the charge gauge it is a ghost charge because if the battery is flat it says 0 km on the instrument cluster and 0 km in the My Alfa Connect app.
The above observations mostly apply to D mode when not indicated.
I personally don't like the Tonale, but it is cool to see these videos. I own a Stelvio as well. What is that clicking sound, when he is braking?
Like all modern cars if you brake very hard the emergency flashers come on to warn the vehicle behind you are emergency braking 👍
Did I understand hear that only AC charging? If so that will be a significant irritation. Needs DC charging at a minimum of 50A.
Yes. Only AC like pretty much every PHEV. The battery isn’t big enough to warrant DC 👍
@@PetrolPed My Evoque P300E PHEV has DC charging. Really useful on a long trip - fully charged in the time it takes to grab a coffee and a pee.
I loved this car since it was a prototype. Interestingly Stellantis was form soon after the prototype came out. From the video it looks promising. I'm sure it will be a comercial success.
nicer than the small Maserati SUV that looks like a Ford Puma
Shame about the name
Toenail
@@pastorofmuppets8834
Toenail!? You clown...
I hate watching other people having so much fun...😂😂
We sure had that 😂
Not sure where you guys get the 80 km range from a 15.5 kwh battery. The Ev range is only 50 km.! Stated on alfa romeo website.
The press pack and talking to the Global Product Manager. It is 80km...the Alfa website states 50 miles city cycle or 42 miles combined cycle...I've just checked !
@Petrol Ped that's very strange I checked canada, usa sites and all state that the 50km range with the same 15.5 kwh battery. Anyways ..fun times for you guys. I wish we had 80km range .
You do. The Canadian website is wrong 😜👍
Smoking brakes....! Is that a common occurrence when you two are let loose together 😄
LOL 😂
EV... NO..... PHEV.... I could probably live with something like this... Looked like fun.. But was it the extra weight that caused the hot breaks or just a heavy foot!! Now if I say you are Funny all the time will you take me with you next time??? :-))
Just late and heavy braking 😂
Stef is a bad influence Pete, not that you needed much encouragement though.
LOL 😂
Watched your walking video nice but.....
Your doing ok two houses lovely cars .
Don't be reliant on u tube.
U got other job
Your
Stylish but is it reliable???
Alpha have not been known for reliability here in Aus.
PHEV seems the way to go unless you are only having a city car and don't plan to take that car on long distance trips to rural and regional areas in the outback.
Another great review Pedro.
Alfa have worked really hard on reliability so let’s hope so 👍
It's more than an urban myth than a fact. I have been driving Alfas for a while, no issues whatsoever with my Stelvio Q4 and Giulietta Cloverleaf or previous models I had.
Alfa is top #3 in ranks as 2023
I Guess I Know what I'll be Trading my 2019 ti sport Stelvio in for a NEW Toe nail 💅 Green Hybrid 😮 2024
Any figures..?
Plenty 🤷♂️
I can see this being mostly bought by company car uses tbh, just waiting on them to announce the tax figures etc
Smokin review 😂
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Alfa seem to be believing their own hype as Tonale's are stupid money now... mid-range you're looking at the sharp end of 60,000€ - you can get in an ex demo Stelvio or a new Mazda CX5 for the same money - or like-for-like, a Mazda CX-30 (arguably a tad prettier, as good a drive and way better specced) for 40K
All new cars are silly money now 😢
@@PetrolPed True O King - but it's not like it's another "benefit" of electricfication, it's a choice some manufacturers make.
If you want an AWD Tonale (a pretty reasonable request given it's supposed to be a "sport(ing) utility vehicle") you are forced to buy a 1.3 Mulitiar plug-in hybrid with all the attendant extra costs and (frankly) bullshot of charging the bloody thing.
Compare and contrast CX-30, which might give some away in raw performance (although not much in real life unless you really intend caning your 50-plus-grand Tonale everywhere) but is 12 grand less for a way superior interior spec, arguably better safety (gizmos and NCAP) and still rates A on the efficiency scale...
Alfa still has electrical issues with their batteries, would not be comfortable with one of these,too many things to go wrong and time of the road. I think it looks amazing but not worth the risk when buying with your head and not heart.
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So no AWD in EV mode? That is disappointing and puzzling.
I fail to understand why 160hp is low. You are telling me that most ppl in your countries are driving cars with more than 200;
160hp @ 1525kg or 3400lbs. Not a lot of power to push around a relatively heavy vehicle.
BMW WHO ?
Also called...the Dodge Hornet.
Dodge will be very happy with this performance. The Alfa version will be ignored in the US.
Why?
@@michel7796 Let's see now. Dodge has more dealers, promotion (advertising), and brand recognition here is the US, plus the Hornet will likely cost less to buy. The Stellantis decision to share (or steal) from Alfa will make the Tonale a nonstarter in the US.
@@rlsedition Do you like Alfa Romeo Tonale?
@@michel7796 It looks great for the segment, but the sharing with Dodge will make the Alfa version irrelevant.
@@rlsedition Ok :)
Surprisingly nippy little blighter isn’t it!! 😅 I really thought Steph was going to loose his lunch at the end there…,😂
So did I 😂
Love your content Ped, but i had to turn off when you do the ridiculous Italian accent. Same for the Maserati video. It makes me cringe.
It’s tongue in cheek 🤷♂️😂
@Petrol Ped when you're reviewing a terrific car in Italy, you get to pronounce it whichever way you like (except for, probably, toe-nail 😆 ) keep up the great work, mate
Plus TV work is unreliable even though it pays well.
But u r great presenter should have started earlier.
People want video s that reflect difficult financial times.
Not u d