It’s the reason the Alt-right automated ban filter banned countless republicans accounts on Twitter, including politicians on the right, leading it to be removed, and why right wingers constantly whine that they’re being censored for being conservative after saying bigoted statements: Bigotry is CRUCIAL to their ideology.
Lauren is a perfect example of how certain conservatives view the world. She agrees with Blaire on so many things, and Blaire is nothing but respectful to her. It’s just the fact that she’s trans, that Blaire is treated less than human. It’s not “culture,” or “morals,” it’s simply her identity that puts a target on Blaire’s back. Lauren is such a genuinely bad person that it’s incredible.
Lauren is right…Just like Christians are to be of the mindset “I may be the only Bible the people I meet will ever read”..meaning be a good living example of the Gospel message. Blaire is, whether admitted or not, a representative of trans. If she doesn’t want kids going trans then don’t be a trans RUclipsr.
She's brainwashed by Christianity. By the violent, fickle male god. With a bunch of ancient, aggressive men making everything up behind the scenes. Men who don't care about other men (who are different from them) and who were okay with pedophilia and never condemned it out of all the outrageously detailed sexual acts they condemned (including homosexuality). They don't condemn what gives them an upper hand (pedophilia, which was a prerogative RIGHT in the ancient middle east). I was brainwashed like her too.
@@hustinjunt8879 Nobody “wants kids to go trans.” Gender is instilled in the brain from an extremely young age, if not from birth, and it can’t be learned. The only things related to gender that CAN be learned are tolerance and curiosity, and both of those are good for children. I know you won’t believe this, but people (even children and teens) tend to know whether they are straight or cis. Not very many people detransition, and of those that do, plenty are forced to by factors OTHER THAN their gender identity. Lauren may be right-wing, but she isn’t actually “right” about very much. She’s an ignorant, bigoted pick-me girl.
Blaire White used to be more of a centrist and I enjoyed some of her content. It's too bad she's essentially sold out for hate-filled content to stoke culture wars. Tiresome... but still, I imagine deep inside she's still a decent person. That's why she acted the way she did in this video imo
@@falsevacuum4667sold out to hate filled content? Talking to hateful people doesn't make you hateful. She's not friends with these people. Saying that trans people should wait until they're adults (who have fully thought everything through - without influence from parents/others) to transition and that trans womrn shouldn't take their fake tits out at the white house isn't hateful lol
I mean the way things are going more and more people support trans rights and eventually people like Witzke will be remembered as religious nutcases. Sad really, I don't think she deserves to be remembered at all.
I love how she worded that. That "children can't even get therapy if they choose to change their mind." Dear... if they've _chosen_ to change their mind... Why the _fuck_ would "conversion therapy" even be involved? That shit is to _force_ you to change your mind. I love how consistently dishonest these people are and _know_ they have to be to put forth their disgusting agenda.
@@sktgiin she criticizes trans people for existing and is like "im not like other trans im one of the good ones" while picking up the crazy extremist sjw trans activist. she isnt for racial rights either, she doesn't even believe in white privilege or other systemic issues around racism.
I don't feel sorry for her at all. She knew what the side she was cheerleading for and pandering to was all about. She can think about that when her fellow conservatives get what they want and put an actual noose around her neck.
Yeah seriously and she did nothing to defend herself from the majority of it. It made me feel bad for her. I truly realize now brainwashed she is. It’s sad
@@eclipsed_oracle6818 yeah she just wants to fit in. And this fascist bitch is hounding her for existing and shes just sitting there like 😐 Blair is a truscum grifter.
Its always "FREEDOM, IN THE LAND OF THE fReEeE" until someone uses said freedom to do something with their own bodies and time that doesnt affect anyone else in any way
@@ERROR-hf3wx it's people like that blonde hag that make me believe more and more that democracy truly doesn't work and that we need a woke totalitarian state to actuallyget progress done
just like when people open carried guns to protect a drag show and for the first time in history Fox News bashed the second amendment and called for something to be done about a gun issue
I think to conservatives, your body belongs to humanity...and depending on what you do with your body, humanity's "property" needs to follow the quote on quote "natural order". I know this, because they always give this sentiment when speaking of others and what they do to their bodies. You have to be of "use" to their own worldview.
Actually, all of the conservatives I know believe that adults should indeed be free to transition "their own bodies and time that doesn't affect anyone else in any way". I have not seen any substantial call to ban adults from voluntarily transitioning themselves at their own cost. Where the conflict comes in is when it DOES affect others - when others are coerced to participate and agree with whatever self-perception an adult trans person asserts. It's the blatent coercion of others which causes most of the pushback. To be clear, I'm not talking about "others" causing actual harm like assaulting - all people should be free of that. I'm talking more about things like punishment for "misgendering", which comprises forcing other people to (appear to) agree with whatever gender a person asserts. I'm not at the moment taking sides, just noting the difference. I can understand why some trans folks would want to control others in the way they do, and I can also understand why some others do not want to be controlled.
I know what you meant but when I saw "gateway to p**phil*a” my mind translated it to "gateway to Philadelphia" and my immediate response was, "No, that's Gritty, who would eat her." Then I went off into a daydream about Gritty being the fifth debater.
@@dewangbakshy7789 It's not unbeleivable at all. You know when laundry detergent companies have you write a letter explaining why you love TIDE in order to enter a draw to win money? Well the reason they do this is because every time you write or say something you commit to it. Blaire has spent YEARS committing herself to this, so no - it isn't surprising at all. She's probably as unable to separate her personality and lifestyle from these politics as anyone on 4chan.
Unbelievable how she can just say that in her first statement. I'm sure she also complains about how hateful and intolerant the left is, right? So extremely hateful and Blaire White stayed on instead of immediately leaving. And yet she still claims LGBT people are less accepting of her than Republicans. It's hard to have sympathy for someone like that.
I can't believe this guy really sat there and said that he fundamentally believes in societal hierarchy. As in, some people inherently deserve mistreatment. He just sat there and said that as if it was a logical and totally okay thing to believe.
@herodotus53 The sad part is that they're right about that. An actual hierarchy like they're pretending to want would need a socially equal utopia as a starting point. That way, everyone can have the same education, nutrition, opportunities, ect and can be fairly judged who is "better". But instead, they're proposing a hierarchy that just codifies the power they have now as deserved by virtue of them having that power now.
Lauren is a former drug addict who absolutely doesn't support the idea of giving addicts a second chance the type that only punches down and never up a borderline if not flat out fascist doesn't deserve any type of power regardless of how simple
Where do you get that she disbelieves in no more chances for recovering addicts? I just saw an interview with Blonde in the Belly of the Beast where she said the opposite.
I feel like she's might have some left leaning views but still tends to keep them away or don't even bring it up, only because most of her fanbase/audacity are reactionary conservatives/right wingers! she might get alot of hates from it.
Blare white is a depressing person. She's begging, pleading, dancing to the literal facsist that she's "one of the good ones" only to be put last in line to the train.
@@frealish6622 i don't know man. Believing in hierarchy, that people are different from you inferior, calling brown people and Mexicans rapists, hating reality and experts, voting for an authoritarian, having a cult following of said authoritarian..... Seams pretty fascist to me.
@@frealish6622 no, just the ones who want to dictate how I should live together with all the sellouts who have to spout the narrative to justify their own farcical existence
@@checkyourlogic5041 Not really. More because the term was extremely intrinsic to Nazi ideology and propaganda, and the people that modern day conservatives label degenerates usually tend to be the same people Nazis labelled degenerates.
Blaire White is the person who helped me grow out of conservatism. Transgender people used to be something that disgusted me. I was unsure about her at first, but her being “conservative” opened me up to trans ideas and that eventually lead me to consider more things. What else was I wrong about? I’ve now years later come full circle and realize how shit she is politically, but she did do something important for me as a young conservative.
Now is when there's a plot twist and is revealed that Blaire was playing 4D chess, making weak and nonsensical arguments in purpose, focusing more in optics and such to drive trans folks on the right further left lmao
For me, it was Bill mahr and becoming an atheist. He shat on everything I was at the time, but he did it in such an eloquent and bombastic way, and with such great evidence that, along with other skeptic's, made me really consider "what if the people I love and support... Are wrong?" Now, as an atheistic anarchist, he just looks like the entitled, confused and hateful liberal that he is.
@@ethanstump Part of me wonders if he was genuinely that awful the whole time, or if it was just when trump was elected that he became batshit crazy. I was a liberal in 2016, and I remember his Democratic partisanship drove me completely off his schtick at that point. Now, he says such ridiculous nonsense that watching him speak is genuinely infuriating.
@@sealogic4552 i think it's a mix of both TBH. as I went from a kid to young adult, i started questioning the thing's i had been given from my parent's and community, and i realized there were a number of thing's that didn't add up. for bill, he went from liberalism being the "alt" thing, to liberalism being the assumed default. further, he went from having a number of genuinely radical for the time position's (atheism, weed legalization, and others), to looking like a centrist boomer at best, to a typical boomer at worst. I think it's more that the younger generation's are moving wayyyy left, then mahr moving right, but i still do think he genuinely has moved right over the decades. then again, he always was a rich prick, he's just no longer "our" rich prick. as many people have pointed out from different positions, reformist's don't hate that someone is dominating, they despise that THEY aren't the ones dominating. now that bill mahr has all the trapping's of power after being an outsider for so long, he has turned into the hypocritical, myopic, deceitful and uncritical people he has lampooned for decades. kind of like colbert also. stewart seem's like he hasn't shifted at all, but understand's that there are younger, more radical people taking the lead, and is willing at least to hear them out and still learn something. john oliver seem's like his genuine heir, rather than trevor noah, but even Oliver is less radical than many zillenial's and zoomers are shaping up to be.
I’m really glad that she helped to deradicalize you, and I am so glad that you were able to carry yourself on beyond the point she could take you. Welcome to enlightenment and compassion! ❤
Exactly. We may disagree with her but at least we respect her identity, which is more than you can say for them. People will often whine that "the left is so mean to you if you don't agree with them on everything!" as if the right are any better. They're not. The only difference is, the right will hate you for what you believe AND what you are as a person.
Her views are trash for sure, but honestly you already respect her by using her pronouns, something the right (as evidencef by this debate) doesn’t do in the slightest
@@MakeupWithSmidge the difference is that the ones on the left disrespect her for her choices, where as the ones on the right disrespect her for who she is.
@@MakeupWithSmidge Slightly missing the difference between getting angry at a trans person for being an asshat, and outright rejecting their identity lmao
No matter how hard I think about it I can’t see how changing your gender to another gender would have any kind of connection to being attracted to a child…?
In the eyes of the reactionary right, they view any and all members of the LGBTQ+ community as being "deviant", and by accepting _one_ form of deviant behavior, it opens the door for society to accept even more extreme deviations from the norm. They paint it as a slippery slope to pedophilia acceptance that quite simply doesn't exist.
these people believe there is an invisible man in the sky who watches all of them every day to make sure they follow ten rules and if they dont hell send them to a fiery, torterous eternal suffering, but nonetheless still loves them. Youre arguing with people who are delusional, of course its not going to go anywhere.
OK. I will try to describe the reasoning, without endorsing it. In their view, it's not that THE SAME PEOPLE who are transgender will obviously also be attracted to minors. Their concept is that the same kinds of reasoning which supports LGBTQIA+ activism, can also be applied to MAP (minor attracted persons, look it up if you are not familiar with them). The concept currently being promoted by self-identified "minor attracted persons" in attempting to be accepted under the LGBTQIA+ umbrella is that they too have no control over their attractions, any more than a gay person could decide to be straight or a trans person could decide to be cis, so society should likewise support rather than stigmatize them. This is a real movement seeking inclusion today, not a figment of conservatives. However, no mainstream LGBTQIA+ organization is accepting MAP as part of their cause today, and most members would strongly oppose that. But given the continual expansion of what's under the LGBTQQIAA+ umbrella, conservatives fear that the same logic will eventually lead to "accepting" MAP as a legitimate oppressed sexual minority. The gender transitioning of minors based on treating them as capable of understanding the lifelong implications of a decision, raises for conservatives the question of whether there will eventually be a move to also allow youths to "consent" to sex with a MAP. While we cannot control what the LTBTQIA+ movement will do in the future, we can hope that the concept that young people cannot meaningfully consent to some things will forever remain valid for the movement. I personally am clear about that. But the conservative fear is not entirely baseless, or invented out of thin air. I can understand how they could see a progression which would lead to that in the future, even if most of us today do not subscribe to that. Again, I'm trying to explain the concern I've seen, without agreeing that it's inevitable or desirable. We should understand the concern fairly, rather than invent a strawman.
@@zephsmith3499 I get that you're not endorsing these beliefs, and I understand exactly what you're saying, but also... their reasoning is still terrible. And that's because humans are actually fully capable of doing one thing and not another. Children can have the bodily autonomy to express themselves as transgender, and no, that does not mean society needs to give them the legal authority to consent to csa. Likewise, we as a society can fully accept all LGBTQ+ people, a group whose interests do not cause harm, without accepting MAPs, a group that does cause harm. I don't know what it is with far-right conservatives (and a lot of other people as well, tbh) and this persistent, baffling inability to think outside of these one-size-must-fit-all authoritarian dichotomies.
But they also don't agree at all. They wouldn't be sitting around debating conservatism with a child abuser. So they all agree, but it doesn't mean what those words mean. It's just a thing they say about trans people.
@@user-pm3ms5vj2d It's super sad how she doesn't realize (or simply doesn't care) that shes regurgitating the same obnoxious and bigoted opinions that people like Lauren have. Rightwingers and their mental gymnastics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In a related note, places that holds Trump rallies tend to have a posterior spike on hate crimes. I'm really curious to know about her experience in more detail since Trump rallies have all the energy of a douche who unironically uses a "No fat chicks" t shirt.
It always catches me of guard when I'm confronted with the mindless, inhuman hate and cruelty of morally bankrupt social conservatives like Lauren Witsky. Their behaviour is so reprehensible that it initially leaves me in a state of shock. I struggle to comprehend how it's even possible for a person to be so perfectly awful. I know that everyone has the potential to grow, learn and improve, and so usually, I'm able to have compassion for people who are behaving badly. I think, "you clearly have some issues, and I hope you manage to work that stuff out in the long run". But people like Lauren Witsky are on another level for me. Their hatred feels so stable and impenetrable. They seem utterly and fully committed to being vile, disgusting human beings. I find it extremely hard to believe in the possibility that anything good could ever come from someone like Lauren Witsky. Blaire White clearly has a stronger heart than I do, and I deeply respect her for that.
blaire doesn't have a strong heart. just heaps of internalized transphobia and the understanding that being the token anti-trans trans girl for the right wing is very profitable.
I think about that too, and honestly the best thing we can do is try to prevent kids from growing up to be adults that hate like Lauren, and limit people like Laurens power over everyone elses freedoms. Its really sad because to grow up like that you have to come from a really harsh environment with lots of hateful people, and plenty of self hate too, to bury your own empathy that far down.
You might be mentally ill then, mentally ill people often report to feel the same things when someone correctly identifies their mental illness. There was a time when gender dysphoria was indeed considered a mental illness. Not all that long ago in fact.
@@KD-ou2npkeep kids away from trans and alphabet ideology, they figure out what they want to make of themselves and act on it when they are of legal age, if it even is the case in such a scanario.
Conservatives: Anything moving away from rugged individualism is Socialism! Also Conservatives: People being gay in their own bedroom affects us all as a society!
@Stay Away yes they are. I'm pointing out that conservatives don't like the in public, at home, sin all you want lol I'm not defending them, just explaining their ACTUAL bigotry.
@Stay Away He literally didn't watch the fucking video where the guy OPENLY ADMITTED IT, in basically those exact words. Straight up trying to gaslight us.
@@mindlander Bro… watch the whole video. The guy literally says somewhere around the 20 minute mark of /this/ video that he thinks it’s unacceptable to be gay in private.
Blaire reminds me so much of myself when I first started transitioning. I was in highschool at the time and actually believed if I tried to make myself “one of the good ones.” Like tolerating things like people purposely misgendering me, being made the butt of jokes, sometimes even putting down other people in the lgbt community, it would make things easier for me in the long run of life. Not only did that make me miserable, but it didn’t even work. Thankfully, I got to grow out of that toxic mindset with maturity and didn’t have to stick to those beliefs due to my entire career being tied to it.
That he straight up says that people doing whatever they want in private affects society and shouldn't be allowed.... against every Republican argument for "my freedoms" and "small government." They're literally saying the fascism out loud, fam!
@@bluexroses414 What I’ll say to that, having seen quite a bit of Doyle’s content and the way he’s rapidly radicalized over the years, we’re just a couple months to a year away from him just taking the label. He’s already dropped the pretence that people like him usually have of tepid libertarianism, he’s willing to call himself an authoritarian.
Christ Blaires grift is getting so bad it may actually end up killing her. Remember when she agreed to be in that one "rappers" music video where she dances around while he sang about trans people being fake women? She purposefully seeks out people to invalide her. It's self harm.
I wouldn't be surprised if she agrees to be in some sort of collaboration and it ends up being a ploy to kill her. Genuinely depressing, I don't like Blair, but I don't want her to experience the kind of bigotry that her OWN AUDIENCE puts her though.
@@puffinatheart5565 they're not even subtle about it, they don't even do the "I'm fine with trans people but" they straight up just say it to her face, you are everything wrong with this country. And she just fucking sits there and takes it
she is digging that hole, she can let it be her gr4ve, since shes just seeking attention/political clout. i swear everyone thats left or right and just say/believe horrible garbage takes for the sake of attention or clout is why i think the entirety of modern day politics is a joke... "why be an actual politician when you can become an attention chasing goblin" nearly every "famous politician" on youtube. (i mean the ones who get themselves in hot water for the sake of it.) clout chasers on both sides just make it hard to give a rat shite about any of this. bs.
i said it on TRO's video and I will say it here, Blaire is a perfect case study of the trans people that lay on places like /lgbt/, self loathing, sad, depressed people who take their anger on others as a way to either stand as "one of the good ones" or as a way to self harm. She wants to be seen as one of the "cool trans", not the "weird loonies", she desperately wants to appeal to a target audience that, on their core, hates her. It's just sad.
I agree. But I don’t think her transness is what motivates her to be conservative - if she was born as a cis woman I would predict she would be nearly as transphobic as Lauren. I think Blair is as conservative as she possibly can be without completely erasing herself. It’s not just to be as palatable and pandering as possible to bigots, but she literally pushes transphobia as far as it can possibly be pushed without being closeted - like she can say transphobic things to trans kids because she’s not a trans kid, and she can say transphobic things about non-binary people because she’s not non-binary, but she can’t be fully against the legal right to transition as an adult because she would have to cease her existence as a passing woman. For any conservative idiots reading this: At least y’all can see that being trans is not a choice. It’s so not a choice that a conservative like Blair can’t even choose to be cisgender, despite that it would make her life far easier to ‘just not be trans’ in the conservative space. She literally has to allow people from her own political party to say dehumanizing, violent things to get by.
I've seen a lot of commentary wincing at the terrible things Blaire allowed to be said about herself without comment. And people have asked how she can align herself with people who clearly want to hurt her. The answer is simple: She's a conservative. There are many dimensions of conservatism, many different forms that conservatism can take. Blaire White is exactly like the other two in kind, but not in *degree.* And she knows that. She's there *because* she is like them. She doesn't hate herself; she hates all non-conservative trans people who refuse to "police" other trans people. She hates trans people who haven't put forth the effort (aka: money) to be trans like she did. She hates trans children because being trans is supposed to take a lot of work to figure out, and if a child can figure it out, then that means it isn't that hard. The only difference between herself and Lauren Witsky is that Lauren removes all of the qualifiers. She doesn't hate "trans people who ..."; she just hates "trans people". Blaire White's political ideology offers her a choice. She can join the side that shares her broad ideology but hates her with a burning passion. Or she can join the side that recognizes her right to be trans but refuses to police other trans people and limit them the way she feels they ought to be limited.
Transgender drugs and surgeries SHOULD be limited! As should transgender women in cisgender women's spaces and sports competitions! I'm glad Blaire White is sane enough to realize that! Too bad she is the only transgender person to do so it seems.
Blaire White does not "hate" anyone who you are saying she hates. She openly states in her videos that she went through a transition and has been in their shoes before. What she does do is protest against people who make transgender-ism a trend, and those who do not treat it as what it is (a mental disorder). I mean that with no disrespect. That is simply what it is. Contrary to what Joel said, she does not focus on trans people in her videos. She exposes pedophiles. Some of which are trans, but those who are are using that as an excuse for their pedophilia. Also, the biggest topic she discusses is how it is wrong for transitions to be forced onto kids. She says openly that even though there are exceptions to children transitioning (meaning sometimes it works out and everyone is happy), there are still handfuls of children who transition young and it ruins their lives because it was an uninformed decision. Therefore, children transitioning shouldn't be allowed due to the risks. She is not an extremist, nor is she bigoted. All of her views are level, and are for the safety of everyone. Respectfully, do your research before making bold assumptions.
It's not that hard because she's not particularly right wing. The only conservative values she holds are freedom to happiness, small government, and the free market. Other than that, she's pretty liberal, all things considering.
@@lilahdog568 lmao the national SOCIALIST party (inherently left wing) imagine having selective history narratives you use to paint anyone who is to the right of Karl Marx as a Nazi
“Uh we also have a transgender on here, y’know I really don’t think we should be giving a platform to this kind of degeneracy” IT SOUNDS LIKE A PARODY OF ITSELF I CANT HELP BUT LAUGH
She was hiding her full power level in that debate. She's against interracial marriage because she wants to maintain a white majority in the USA, and she claims the USA needs to stop immigration to keep the American bloodline pure, she's a literal NAZI.
There are actual good arguments for natural law theory, such as that of Finnis, which don't rely solely on believing religion to be the basis just because, advocating for a set of basic moral principals almost all humans share due to our functional needs. But absolutely, hella conservatives tend to use these phrases with no legitimate thought or reasoning put into it besides "because that's how God made it," deciding to ignore literally all aspects of "nature" that go against what they're claiming.
"Degenerate" just means "anything I'm not used to and are therefore uncomfortable with". These people are just so painfully transparent, they think like toddlers with neglectful parents.
The first two sentences of Lauren shocked me like oh my god. If I was Blaire I would instantly think this is a mistake, what am I doing with my life hanging out and associating myself with these people? Degeneracy? Gateway to pedophilia? I‘m at 2:23 and already had to pause. Damn wtf.
@@SeekerLancer “If you don’t listen to what we say you could end up smoking weed, having sex that is actually enjoyable and not just for procreation, and talking to a lot of interesting people from different racial, social and cultural backgrounds. How awful!” 🤣😂
I mean they're just outright fascists. They're fascists telling a trans person "we're gonna come for you", and she's saying, "no, don't come for me, I believe some of the same things as you", and they're saying "no, we're gonna come for you." That's how fascism works.
@@iexist1300 feeling trapped in a death cult always strikes me as tragic, personally. Probably a side effect of escaping one tho so I won’t begrudge you for not feeling as I do.
“I absolutely will not vote for a party that treats LGBT people like they are subhuman; I won’t do it” - and yet she voted for the Republicans and is a republican? The mind games conservatives play is always amazing
Mind games is a bit complementary. Everyone knows conservatives don't have minds. Maybe an empty hamster wheel in a void, or usually red jello. But not so much the "mind" thing.
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 They do have minds, some of them are quite smart. Maybe. I think they're just deeply egotistical, unempathetic and uncurious about things that don't affect them. I haven't met one that wasn't abusive in some way and it makes me deeply sad because it's such a widespread belief system.
@@PlaylistGeneral It doesn't require more than maybe 3 braincells to put together that racism and xenophobia are obviously bad and a good person would try their best to not be those things. But they actively reject or refuse to seek out any data that conflicts with their world view. So maybe some of them can almost think but it's signs of a mindless drone, the patterns of conservatives.
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 i think the issue is that thr less radical ones deny being bigoted in any way and think they're reasonable good people. It's a trap that honestly anyone can get into, the issue with conservatives is they think if they're any of those things then they're immediately bad people. So they shut down any concept which lends credence to the idea. Its much more complicated than them just being mindless drones, otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them.
As much as I hate what Blaire White has done to pretty much every minority group I hope someday she realizes how much these people hate her and works not only to help repair some of the damages she's caused for others, but also to repair the damage done to her.
What has she done? She’s interviewed de-transitioners about their experiences. An even smaller population. She had an hour long debate with Jessica Yaniv, a trans woman who’s taken pictures of girls in the washroom, and caused 10 businesses to close down because those businesses refused to do Brazilian waxing on Jessica’s male genitalia. She also rips into Onison, who posted pictures of girls in bras for him to rate. A lot of people love her.
@Wesley Hickey she's allowed detransitioners to spread lies about trans people, made up lies about trans people and dug up pretransition photos to harass them, she's misrepresented landback and blm and that's just the stuff I know about. I don't pay super close attention to her anymore
@@talithacrow7530 I’ve watched ton of her videos, and I have no idea what you mean by lies from detransitioners. Like the fact that children should not transition until they are old enough to make proper decisions? Or for more vetting? I don’t see how that’s hurting trans people at all. And what lies about trans you people? If you ever read comments on her videos, there’s a lot of self claimed Christians, straight, and white people commending her for her logic. Honestly, with all the insanity coming from the lgbt community, it’s refreshing to see someone use solid logic,
@@wesleyhickey6959 I'm a conservative and really like Blaire White. I feel that she is open and honest with her followers and thats something I can support. I really wish that she would have stood up to Lauren and not let her insult her and be like I have every right to this platform as everyone else. She has earned my respect.
I disagree, while yes those are factors, trump invigorated a lot of people, and brought out so many Republicans to vote and showed the underbelly that they developed. He also brought out every person with a moral backbone to fight him
@@Vickynger Hilary got a lot of votes but not the most in democratic history and in 2020 Trump did get more than her in 2016. However, Biden got the most ever in history. And it is totally because all the reasons started above: white identity politics, ease of voting, moral outage, the pandemic.
The fact that Lauren said that to Blair’s face… I know several transgender women and they are wonderful people who deserve to live their truth, and the fact that another trans woman is not only actively working against that, but is allowing herself to be degraded by the people she’s trying so desperately to impress is nothing short of embarrassing. Brown nosing at its finest
But truth isn't subjective. Trans peoppe can't transition gender and that's just reality. You'll always be cheap recreation that doesn't work properly as the real quality thing. It is what it is
I appreciate Doyle’s ability to actually understand his ideology. He isn’t as deluded but more so his moral compass and values come from a place which we, the left, fundamentally disagree with. He reminds me of that character from 1984 who eventually is vaporized that was very pro-totalitarian regime and actually admitted it was a totalitarian regime. I forget his name but its the guy in Winston’s lunchroom towards the beginning who explains double think
Watch his video on how Beauty and The Beast is actually a conservative story about a narcissistic Belle who, as a stupid feeeeemoid, dumbly rejects Gaston, the masculine hero and protagonist of the story. Doyle simps for Gaston hardcore and claims that his illiteracy is a sign of how he as a masculine man he values the objective and Belle is a narcissist for reading. Doyle is delusional as fuck
yes. he saw the truth and it didnt matter what he thought about the truth. as conservatives get increasingly brazen with their fascist-adjacency, and occasionally straight up fascism, this becomes less true. a man who acknowledges the truth and likes it becomes the model republican, rather than the target Syme was.
Exactly. Being a fascist doesn't make you safe from fascism, and make no mistake, nobody's safe from fascism. As soon as their more immediate enemies are dealt with, if not sooner, they'll turn to the next target, again and again until they're either stopped or there's nobody left. Even if, through sheer luck, you somehow don't fall into a single group any of them hate today (and that's very unlikely considering how many different groups various fascists think are subhuman), there's no guarantee that will be the case tomorrow. You could become disabled at any point, if you're not today, and as you get older, it's pretty likely you WILL, assuming you don't die first. And even if you don't change, there's no guarantee the fascists won't decide that a group that includes you is no longer OK.
Blaire just wants to be the last trans to get axed in the fashy ethnostate the side she's fighting for will create. She doesn't care about anyone else, as long as she gets to stick around longer.
@@argenteus8314 Wait I'm confused: Are you saying conservatives like to use fascism to enforce their bigotry? Or Are you saying conservatives are fascist overall?
@@jesustyronechrist2330 if an individual conservative is not a fascist (which many are) they turn a blind eye to fascism. Refusing to acknowledge and be against fascism makes your nation to fascism
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 I like to say they don't think, they just react. They absorb whatever programming they get from their echo chambers, and then when a new piece of information enters their head they automatically react based on their programming.
That opening prompt for the conservative “debate” was one of the most hilariously leading questions like, “Hey guys should we be sweet, good little conservative Christians or EVIL DEVIL MONSTERS”
@@MarcillaSmith well, you know what the bible says about woman speaking, namely that they shouldn't. I think jesus would have words for her being on that debate.
This. I've been turning that idea over in my head a lot lately. The more I think about it though, conservatives really ARE monarchists, they just lack the unilateral legislative power to regulate society according to their vision. If they had the power, they'd do it. They have no interest in principles of freedom.
That's what conservatives basically are, are monarchists disappointed by republicanism. but since republicanism is the closest thing to "acceptable" politics they can get to, that's what they fake in public. There were a fuck ton of religious outcasts to America, from the quakers, Amish, Catholics, to the Mormons and Jews. So while america never really had a king, that was a failing they were willing to rectify.
Hbomberguy said in a video about flat earthers, “she’s wrong about this but she deserves a better movement then this” and I feel like that fits with Blair. She’s desperately trying to get the approval of her party for her existence, but they won’t. She deserves better, but she’s still so wrong.
Yeah, hearing her try to defend her right to be a trans person to other conservatives always gives me knots in my stomach. It reminds me of when I was an ultra-conservative kid realizing that no matter what I did, I was never going to be embraced by the conservative community around me because I'm gay. Eventually, I did a complete 180° turn on my politics, but it made me feel really terrible at the time.
@@BSR-zy2so The difference is that you haven’t been making a career out of throwing other trans people to the wolves since 2015. She knew what kind of a community this would become, but she helped create it anyway.
Anybody else remember the grim adventures of Billy and Mandy? Especially with Billy and his giant spider son? How all the spider wants to do is earn Billy's love and respect, and all Billy wants to do is smash him, and even as Billy is attacking him with a baseball bat, the spider is apologizing for existing? I'm reminded of that.
Blaire folding immediately to make Conservative Mommy like her when this is supposed to be a debate is S Tier comedy, but also kind of sad that she thinks pandering to these people will make them want to treat her like a person.
John doyle: yeah equality is a liberal idea. Conservatives believe in hierarchies that put straight white people on top. Me: wow glad we can agree that Conservatives are the bad guys John: we don't agree
It was pretty surprising that he said the quiet part out loud and it’s scary to think that this is going to likely more and more commonplace moving forward.
Blaire White: "If we have a conversation about whether or not I'm a human being, then that would begin to sound like a leftist conversation. So instead, let's talk about whether or not we can get votes by hating gay people."
I kind of appreciate the "mask off" hatred of trans people on display. It shows that there is no point in trying to concede anything to bigots, because their goal is to completely remove trans people from public life even if that means people dying. You don't make peace with that kind of hate. You stand in defiance of it and you survive it.
@Dynah Dixon I was latino conservative sort of and I stopped being conservative after the some channels I followed went full mask off about their white supremacy and after I saw how anti diversity type stuff was just code for racism/sexism.
@@coletrain546 And they will tell you diversity and multi"cult"urism is "codeword" for anti-white. Or they will mock you with "diversity is our strength." It seems they are utterly incapable of seeing that all things can exist in a space together. No one's gonna get "cooties" if you live and work in the same space as someone else. I'm not anti white, anti black, anti Latino...anti-Asian...Anti- (insert race here) anyone, really. That's stupid. I mean, I can be a lil' nihilistic, but that's a completely different topic, mostly stemming from how humanity treats itself. XD It's more along the lines of people thinking their rights will evaporate if say women or LGBT have basic human rights. It's some weird tug of war thing. They literally live in a black and white world. When I hear the term "anti-racist = anti-white", I feel the people who say that are just tragically saying more than they mean to, and it doesn't help them in any way. To me, it's as if they are literally saying that the natural default for white is racist-mode, and to be against racism is to be against white (them)...which is racist...which true racists will either deny or proudly embrace given the circumstances. And not only that, they are completely convinced everyone else is just like them (racist), but to be against racism is to be against them (white)...specifically. Excuse me, but that "logic" never fails to melt my brain. And it's really baffling that if you are pro-everyone, and just want to live in peace, you are this "anti white" and wish to kill all white people in some any-day-now "race war". So naturally, with this mindset, they will go on full balls to the walls warrior mode and will get you (anyone who's against them) before you get them. Like, wut? Where in the actual eff did that come from? XD It tells me more that people like that don't see themselves as part of the human collective. They see themselves in some elite class above the rest of humanity, hence the "supremacy." And it's not just white people, I've seen that same stupidity from just about every human group under the sun, and they all have their own equally stupid justifications. Too much of the Stupid KoolAid will do that.
Joel it's so important for you to make videos like this as a straight white guy who's an lgbt ally because you can watch this kind of shit without getting triggered and then make it funny and break it down for us. Thanks for putting a funny pirate guy on the content warning.
It is nice to see someone with less of an immediate emotional attachment, makes a good gateway for "apolitical" people that would get turned off by a trans person breaking down in the face of such vile disgusting dehumanization. It sucks that it's needed because being emotionally invested in your own human rights is seen as "losing the debate".
Denmark and most scandinavian countries have changed their standards of care of transpeople radically. Turns out after all the real life data showed that puberty blockers are not the way to go. Imagine my shock. Oh and Britain is also following. In Denmark you they practically don't use hormone blockers anymore and instead opt for therapy and are having great results. For anyone interested you should really look into this issue more.
@@theseeker7692 ??? I thought that was common knowledge. Read the Cass report by Hilary Cass the psychologist tasked with evaluating transgender healthcare in Great Britain. What she found out was some pretty concerning stuff. That among other things have led to a radical course correction. In Sweden you can look up the Karolinska hospital and their official statement that they no longer offer puberty blockers outside of research. Concerninng Denmark look up Ugeskrift for Læger and their official statement which is the same as in Sweden. They no longer offer it due to massive problems with side-effects. These are by the way the same doctors who prescribed them before. So that isn't a push from the right but the very same people who supported it before. I can't post any links here. You have to do the legwork yourself if you are interested in that issue. For any questions just ask me.
@@theseeker7692 I thought that was common knowledge. Read the Cass report by Hilary Cass the psychologist tasked with evaluating transgender healthcare in Great Britain. What she found out was some pretty concerning stuff. That among other things have led to a radical course correction. In Sweden you can look up the Karolinska hospital and their official statement that they no longer offer puberty blockers outside of research. Concerninng Denmark look up Ugeskrift for Læger and their official statement which is the same as in Sweden. They no longer offer it due to massive problems with side-effects. These are by the way the same doctors who prescribed them before. So that isn't a push from the right but the very same people who supported it before. I can't post any things directly here. You have to do the legwork yourself if you are interested in that issue. For any questions just ask me.
I think Karlyn's comment to Lauren "Between the two of us, I'm the one whose married with a family" is so interesting. Both Karlyn and Lauren have qualities about them that could be considered anti-conservative. Karlyn has short hair and Lauren is single without any children. If either of them lived in the past, they would probably be discriminated against for these reasons, and yet they both still identify as conservative. It just shows that the idea of conservatism is very nebulous and maybe not worth defending.
@@kasketbase8741 Trump is easily as angry and openly bigoted as Lauren, and so is John on his own channel. The fact that Karlyn could go to a Trump rally and listen to him speak and describe it as optimistic and friendly just shows that she’s pretty openly grifting. I could maybe agree that the people at a Trump rally were nice to her (as long as you can ignore all the t-shirt and signs about murdering people) but Trump speeches are just airings of grievances.
New England's left-leaning appearance masks the sizable rural population which is less diverse, more conservative, and less tolerant of LGBT people. Also, during the Trump era, right wing politicians are rewarded within their own circles for espousing extreme positions. 38% is consistent with Trump's polling on a national level, and it seems likely that someone like Witzke could get at least 30% anywhere in the country. Love your stuff, JJ
I want to have some sympathy for her, but after years of degrading other trans ppl and profiting from it, I have 0. I don't like the abuse she has faced through, I just wish this would somewhat change her mind and stop bootlicking to bigots, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that to happen.
This is the group of people Blaire has chosen to try to suck up to. Like Milo Yiannopoulos, they'll turn on her and she'll keep trying to be "The good one" and like Milo, she'll fail and be their cast off. And she has to know it. So to hell with her.
It's frightening to consider that a large portion of the electorate is either nuts like the two on the right or willing to put up with and even go along with the nuts for unspecified goals (cause I just can't figure out what is to be gained here for them) like the two on the left.
@@chalkedlines8960 The answer to the mystery is money. They are after money. They want conservatives to give them money for being a trained pet minority that some conservatives like to point to and hide their bigotry.
"Best thing you can do for us is grow out your mustache" Holy shit, dude. That's awful. That's just an awful thing to say. Blaire, are these really the people you wanna talk to? Like, wouldn't you rather be anywhere else talking to anyone else?
Why should she have said no? I find it bizarre that anyone is like "no don't go to this DEBATE because the people there disagree with and don't like you"
@@Velereonics Why should she say yes? There's zero civility, non-existant moderation, neither parties gain enlightenment on the issue at the end... Typically when you're invited to a debate you don't expect to be in a room or call with people who clearly don't care to debate you and just want to say the most hateful things they can for as long as they can. You can insist that's debate if you want, but I'd personally rather tweez my pubes than attend, the end result would mostly be the same.
@@Velereonics there is a difference between “disagreeing“ and open verbal hatred and attacks. How Lauren spoke about and to Blair White was abusive, not civil disagreement.
John Doyle is also a very crazy person. I've seen his videos...."Conservatives believe in natural law" should give you an idea of where he's coming. He's pretty much a fascist, no way around it.
I'm not even trans, and I'm still reeling from it. I grew up around transphobic ideas, for sure, but I don't know if I've ever seen someone be that _blatantly_ transphobic directly to a trans person's face.
"Bonkers" really is the best way to describe watching that debate. Where a man literally calls for inequality and hiearachy as his platform and HE'S the one that's called reasonable. It was crazy to read the comments of that video where everyone was saying he was based.
While I do think Doyle is a garbage person, I appreciate his honesty and wish more conservatives were that open about being anti-equality. It would make advocating against them so much easier
@@zikoran7273 I see your point but in my opinion, fascists should always be afraid to be blatant like that. John Doyle feeling comfortable speaking so freely just shows how much we've conceded to fascism lately. Imo
Blaire white is genuinely such a sad person to me, i understand that she did this to herself but it’s so sad watching someone turn on their community just for one that openly spouts abuse at her regarding her personhood. I hope she’s able to heal one day, I don’t think the queer community will like her considering all the things she’s said and done but at least we don’t deny her existence. Everyone deserves that sorta dignity.
People often say "The left should be more open to civil debate," failing to recognize that in these debates many leftists are arguing against the notion that we, as queer people, poc, women, etc, deserve fewer rights and less freedom in society. It isn't exciting like it is for conservatives. It's painful and demeaning. Blaire, though not a leftist, is still subjecting herself to that dehumanization in the name of "civil discourse." It's fucking sad.
@@mindlander Left-leaning folks on RUclips are overwhelmingly young and skeptical. Ends up with an anti-grifter cocktail deadly to snake oil salesmen like Blair. No one would take her serious if she were to "change sides".
@@mindlander - "the amazing atheist guy are fairly respected by the left" Big ol' [Citation needed] on that one. I have no idea who Hunter Abalone is, but if "The Amazing Atheist" has since reformed himself I've seen absolutely zero mention of it in any left-wing media or discussion. If by "fairly respected" you mean "completely ignored as a no longer relevant entity" then sure.
Listening to Lauren Witzke speak as a person from Delaware makes my skin crawl. Seeing her big campaign signs that literally said “protect the family!” on the side of the road really just solidified to me how much the modern republican is no longer trying to hide the fascism
I'd say it's not helping her cause very much and she's not far from looking like a fossil from another age with these ideas ; she'll be the racist homophobic aunt that people roll their eyes at in no time. Let them embarrass themselves, I say.
@@alicedeligny9240 Oh my sweet summer child, it is quite impossible for these "people" to feel embarrassed about themselves. They only continue to draw bigger and bigger followings. It's getting better for them, not worse.
@@troubledwaters7441 Embarrass themselves in general society. They don't need to be aware of it. And honestly, if there are people who flock to her ideas...her ideas are becoming things of the past. Now if conservatives want to go on, they have to be nice regarding things they openly vilified 20 years ago. People are moving on and becoming more accepting, and if not, the holders of these beliefs are dying out.
Conservatives aren’t fascists and we shouldn’t call them conservatives. They are fascists and they are the fascist traitor wing of the republicans party. There are lots of “conservatives” who don’t like Trump actually and don’t like fascism. They voted for Biden
I'm a transguy and I didn't know who Blair was before this video. It's horrifying to me that voices like hers are being given relevance in conservative circles. She doesn't speak for us.
its still kinda chilling to see people that seek to genuinely remove the freedom of expression from really inoffensive groups on the basis of religion given a platform, letalone receiving a following
Wow that whole “republicans were super optimistic, and the dems are gloom & doom” is quite the statement. Its almost as if one ignores all the problems and the other wants to actually address them. Political theatre vs actual politics
You know she's lying about being a former Bernie supporter when compared to the other Democratic candidates, his rallies were ALWAYS high energy. His base is composed of passionate people that are tired of the bad poltical establishment. The "doom and gloom" statement is also loaded with how that was literally Trumps who rhetoric: The "other" is out to get you whether its non whites, immigrants, gays etc as opposed to Bernie who always had a diverse following which also included loads non crazy white people
@@Spongebrain97 I don't actually doubt that she might have been a Bernie supporter. She sounds like someone who gets swept up by whatever motivated group she's surrounded by at the time and doesn't have an ounce of critical thought in her own head. She literally decided to support Trump because she had more fun with Trump supporters. The rhetoric and politics mean nothing to her, just how the group makes her feel. The solutions to problems that progressive liberals like Sanders bring to light are challenging. There's a lot of human suffering in the world and no easy way to fix it. Trumpism on the other hand offers you easy scapegoats and a magic man who claims to be the messiah who will fix everything with the wave of a magic wand. It's not shocking that once she was confronted with very real issues after the initial excitement she got from the promise of liberal reform that she'd switch to the party who thinks they can fix everything by chanting loudly to a demagogue. She doesn't care what they actually stand for. She's definitely not alone in this either. I've met so many Trump supporters in real life who are politically illiterate. When you ask them how they feel on certain issues and why they can at best repeat soundbite responses and at worst don't really know why or because it upsets people they don't like.
@@SeekerLancer true that. Carlyn was also annoying to listen to because in her mind Trump is the way to go despite the fact that he gave a voice to crazy people like Lauren who cruelly mocked Carlyn to her face and insulted her husband who is an immigrant, saying he should be deported despite becoming a citizen after marrying her. Does she not notice that correlation between Trumps rhetoric and people like Lauren??
@@vraisairs9201 LOL oh god, no.. the type that says it is authoritarian out right, so everyone is clear about who they are. I'm not supporting authoritarian politics, was mainly making a joke
In a way I see myself in Blaire in these clips. I clearly don't think like her on a political level, I want to see capitalism go and I want any values that suppress minorities from equal opportunity and acceptance to be removed from society, but the way she just doesn't stick up for herself in the face of transphobic abuse is reminiscent of how I act when trying to remain composed when my dad or other transphobic people in my life will basically use willfully ignorant hate speech at me. It's like I subconsciously wish in the moment that if I accept their premises, they may accept mine. But they don't. They just go farther.
I really feel for you. I’ve recently changed the way I look at people. I was never hateful, but I sure wasn’t nice. I am sorry your family treats you like that.
People watching this sympathized with her though. Obviously transphobic shit is not ok but she just got a lot of brownie points from most everyone across the political spectrum. Could be a massive boost for her.
It's funny that Blaire White makes fun of transgender women who are more masculine, while not realizing that she is also making fun of cisgender women who have more masculine features; and other cis and transgender women who can't afford surgeries to look like a Barbie doll.
I’m pretty sure she’s fully aware of it love. She literally shits on tons of other trans women bc they’re not as pretty as she is, bc you need to be pretty to be a good trans woman! And don’t even mention trans women who haven’t gotten/don’t want to get/can’t get top/bottom surgery! They don’t count as trans according to Blaire (even tho she apparently hasn’t had bottom surgery done herself…) (obviously I’m not saying trans people are invalid if they don’t get hormones/surgery. I’m saying that Blaire is a disgusting hypocrite)
@@heddelinpralin1481 yeah. She never got to experience having a high school mean girl phase, so she's having it now. No one's gonna tolerate it when she turns 30.
How is it respectful to want to box someone into a "community" of degeneracy and delusion, based on the fact they're trans? He wants Blaire to be a good little troon
the words that come out of these people mouths is absolutely chilling to the bone, also that's why low key how I can't understand LGBT+ conservatives, I mean they literally hate you and yet you want to be with them?
Stockholm syndrome is definitely a thing. Further, it's so pervasive if you live in a conservative area, talk to conservative people, have conservative family, have conservative co worker's, and yet know within your bones this is who you are. They are clear coping mechanisms, bargaining, denial, projection and more. Yet she forever stays within " reasonable" bounds, never questioning the premise never questioning the movement, never questioning the people around her, and never questioning herself.
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That debate was just 2 hours of Blaire refusing to come to terms with the fact that bigotry is as essential to conservatism as flour is to cake
Pretty sure I’ve had flourless cake, but you’re still right.
Bigotry is just another word for republican now
@@jazwhoaskedforthis i mean there are bigoted democrats as well but i get what you mean
It’s the reason the Alt-right automated ban filter banned countless republicans accounts on Twitter, including politicians on the right, leading it to be removed, and why right wingers constantly whine that they’re being censored for being conservative after saying bigoted statements: Bigotry is CRUCIAL to their ideology.
They’ll say: “LGBT people are pedophiles” and then when they get the tweet stormed by angry people say: “‘Conservative thought’ is being outlawed!”
Oh my god. I’m so sick of people saying “the most votes in US history” like there aren’t more people on the planet than ever before.
They really need to weigh that by current population.
It's also just not true, the heighest ever was Biden in 2020
Context means nothing to grifters.
@@shaikim-shapiro1453 “the most by a sitting president” is what they said.
I get your point but there weren’t the most votes because of population increase from 2016 to 2020. It was mostly because of way higher turnout.
Lauren is a perfect example of how certain conservatives view the world. She agrees with Blaire on so many things, and Blaire is nothing but respectful to her. It’s just the fact that she’s trans, that Blaire is treated less than human. It’s not “culture,” or “morals,” it’s simply her identity that puts a target on Blaire’s back. Lauren is such a genuinely bad person that it’s incredible.
Lauren is right…Just like Christians are to be of the mindset “I may be the only Bible the people I meet will ever read”..meaning be a good living example of the Gospel message. Blaire is, whether admitted or not, a representative of trans. If she doesn’t want kids going trans then don’t be a trans RUclipsr.
@@hustinjunt8879 no Lauren is not right. And Blaire is surely not making any kid trans😂😂 Take your pills
She's brainwashed by Christianity. By the violent, fickle male god. With a bunch of ancient, aggressive men making everything up behind the scenes. Men who don't care about other men (who are different from them) and who were okay with pedophilia and never condemned it out of all the outrageously detailed sexual acts they condemned (including homosexuality). They don't condemn what gives them an upper hand (pedophilia, which was a prerogative RIGHT in the ancient middle east). I was brainwashed like her too.
@@hustinjunt8879 this just in folks the religion you choose to believe in is the same as your gender identity big brain shit right here
@@hustinjunt8879 Nobody “wants kids to go trans.” Gender is instilled in the brain from an extremely young age, if not from birth, and it can’t be learned. The only things related to gender that CAN be learned are tolerance and curiosity, and both of those are good for children. I know you won’t believe this, but people (even children and teens) tend to know whether they are straight or cis. Not very many people detransition, and of those that do, plenty are forced to by factors OTHER THAN their gender identity.
Lauren may be right-wing, but she isn’t actually “right” about very much. She’s an ignorant, bigoted pick-me girl.
It's amazing to see how agreeable/respectful Blaire tries to be while Lauren just straight up refers to her very existence as degeneracy
Blaire White used to be more of a centrist and I enjoyed some of her content. It's too bad she's essentially sold out for hate-filled content to stoke culture wars. Tiresome... but still, I imagine deep inside she's still a decent person. That's why she acted the way she did in this video imo
In a way these are all paid actors. Their bread and butter depends on saying stuff like this.
@@falsevacuum4667sold out to hate filled content? Talking to hateful people doesn't make you hateful. She's not friends with these people. Saying that trans people should wait until they're adults (who have fully thought everything through - without influence from parents/others) to transition and that trans womrn shouldn't take their fake tits out at the white house isn't hateful lol
It's not amazing
It's sad
Even when you act like their dog they will still not want you
They either want you put down or in the streets..
@@falsevacuum4667 Centrism is usually turns to a gateway into that sort of pipeline.
a woman outraged that conversion therapy is outlawed is some places. it's moments like these that remind me that peace was never an option
Makes me glad she's never going anywhere in life.
I mean the way things are going more and more people support trans rights and eventually people like Witzke will be remembered as religious nutcases. Sad really, I don't think she deserves to be remembered at all.
@@khicks4422 I mean she already went too far, if you ask me.
I love how she worded that. That "children can't even get therapy if they choose to change their mind."
Dear... if they've _chosen_ to change their mind... Why the _fuck_ would "conversion therapy" even be involved? That shit is to _force_ you to change your mind. I love how consistently dishonest these people are and _know_ they have to be to put forth their disgusting agenda.
Yeah people like lauren are just batshit crazy assholes
Imagine being Blaire White. Standing in solidarity with people who literally want her to stop existing
Hey, Blaire, if you're watching, you're safe here. You don't need to stomach all of this.
she unironically doesn't wants to have rights, don't she.
@@deadcorpse69 ? where tf did she say/imply that when she has been advocating for lgbt and racial rights
@@sktgiin she criticizes trans people for existing and is like "im not like other trans im one of the good ones" while picking up the crazy extremist sjw trans activist.
she isnt for racial rights either, she doesn't even believe in white privilege or other systemic issues around racism.
@@sktgiin in which way have she been all for "lgbt rights"?
I'm not a blair fan but holy shit watching her get abused like that was disturbing
I don't feel sorry for her at all. She knew what the side she was cheerleading for and pandering to was all about. She can think about that when her fellow conservatives get what they want and put an actual noose around her neck.
I completely agree, I hate Blair for reasons but I'd never hate her cause she's trans and seeing her be put down only for that reason hurts
Yeah seriously and she did nothing to defend herself from the majority of it. It made me feel bad for her. I truly realize now brainwashed she is. It’s sad
@@eclipsed_oracle6818 yeah she just wants to fit in. And this fascist bitch is hounding her for existing and shes just sitting there like 😐
Blair is a truscum grifter.
*Him
Its always "FREEDOM, IN THE LAND OF THE fReEeE" until someone uses said freedom to do something with their own bodies and time that doesnt affect anyone else in any way
I hate freedom
@@ERROR-hf3wx it's people like that blonde hag that make me believe more and more that democracy truly doesn't work and that we need a woke totalitarian state to actuallyget progress done
just like when people open carried guns to protect a drag show and for the first time in history Fox News bashed the second amendment and called for something to be done about a gun issue
I think to conservatives, your body belongs to humanity...and depending on what you do with your body, humanity's "property" needs to follow the quote on quote "natural order". I know this, because they always give this sentiment when speaking of others and what they do to their bodies. You have to be of "use" to their own worldview.
Actually, all of the conservatives I know believe that adults should indeed be free to transition "their own bodies and time that doesn't affect anyone else in any way". I have not seen any substantial call to ban adults from voluntarily transitioning themselves at their own cost.
Where the conflict comes in is when it DOES affect others - when others are coerced to participate and agree with whatever self-perception an adult trans person asserts. It's the blatent coercion of others which causes most of the pushback.
To be clear, I'm not talking about "others" causing actual harm like assaulting - all people should be free of that. I'm talking more about things like punishment for "misgendering", which comprises forcing other people to (appear to) agree with whatever gender a person asserts.
I'm not at the moment taking sides, just noting the difference. I can understand why some trans folks would want to control others in the way they do, and I can also understand why some others do not want to be controlled.
It’s insane to me that Blaire sits there and lets that woman call her a “gateway to p**phil*a”. Wow b
"nah yeah yeah i agree"
fuck oooffff
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She knows no shame. Those conservative huckster dollars are just so sweet.
I know what you meant but when I saw "gateway to p**phil*a” my mind translated it to "gateway to Philadelphia" and my immediate response was, "No, that's Gritty, who would eat her." Then I went off into a daydream about Gritty being the fifth debater.
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Holy shit 🤣 stop it
@@Interloper1976 😂
Blaire: "Please accept me as the One Good Trans!"
Lauren: "There's no such thing."
Its just sooo unbelievable how can she push away a loving community who would fight for her for this sh#t
@@dewangbakshy7789 It's not unbeleivable at all. You know when laundry detergent companies have you write a letter explaining why you love TIDE in order to enter a draw to win money? Well the reason they do this is because every time you write or say something you commit to it. Blaire has spent YEARS committing herself to this, so no - it isn't surprising at all. She's probably as unable to separate her personality and lifestyle from these politics as anyone on 4chan.
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@@sethaldarith6778 its just sad to see someone with such a large audience spread hatred while lgbt activists have fought like hell for our rights
Unbelievable how she can just say that in her first statement. I'm sure she also complains about how hateful and intolerant the left is, right?
So extremely hateful and Blaire White stayed on instead of immediately leaving. And yet she still claims LGBT people are less accepting of her than Republicans. It's hard to have sympathy for someone like that.
I can't believe this guy really sat there and said that he fundamentally believes in societal hierarchy. As in, some people inherently deserve mistreatment. He just sat there and said that as if it was a logical and totally okay thing to believe.
It's what Jordan P teaches. He uses "IQ" as his determinant, but it's the same result.
The people who think this way always assume they’ll be at the top of every “dominance hierarchy.”
That’s conservatives for ya. 😢
@herodotus53 The sad part is that they're right about that. An actual hierarchy like they're pretending to want would need a socially equal utopia as a starting point. That way, everyone can have the same education, nutrition, opportunities, ect and can be fairly judged who is "better".
But instead, they're proposing a hierarchy that just codifies the power they have now as deserved by virtue of them having that power now.
as if he didn't get bullied to filth in high school
Lauren is a former drug addict who absolutely doesn't support the idea of giving addicts a second chance the type that only punches down and never up a borderline if not flat out fascist doesn't deserve any type of power regardless of how simple
Where do you get that she disbelieves in no more chances for recovering addicts?
I just saw an interview with Blonde in the Belly of the Beast where she said the opposite.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Ain't no one stupid enough to just out right say it but it's completely obvious in the way she talks about addicts
Wow, then she and White are exactly the same.
@@seronimo__7735 They'll never realize it but in a lot of ways they are
she’s also extremely racist. she’s very open about that on twitter
Blaire: *getting hatecrimed to her own face* "i agree!"
She does a great Dave Rubin impression!
I feel like she's might have some left leaning views but still tends to keep them away or don't even bring it up, only because most of her fanbase/audacity are reactionary conservatives/right wingers! she might get alot of hates from it.
Shes such a fucking pushover around other conservatives.
@@KhayJayArt Seems like she has to be or act like it in order to even be able to say she's part of the club.
She's just a grifter, literally admitted that a couple of months ago. She is willing to listen to that shit so long as she gets paid, it's kind of sad
Blare white is a depressing person. She's begging, pleading, dancing to the literal facsist that she's "one of the good ones" only to be put last in line to the train.
Everyone that is right of me is a facist
@@frealish6622 i don't know man. Believing in hierarchy, that people are different from you inferior, calling brown people and Mexicans rapists, hating reality and experts, voting for an authoritarian, having a cult following of said authoritarian..... Seams pretty fascist to me.
@@miaposamarie226 actually your right lol
@@frealish6622 no, just the ones who want to dictate how I should live
together with all the sellouts who have to spout the narrative to justify their own farcical existence
she clearly doesn't think highly of herself
Whenever someone uses the term "degeneracy" in identity politics I immediately consider them a Nazi
"Everyone who has a different opinion than me is a Nazi! REE!!!"
@@checkyourlogic5041 Not really. More because the term was extremely intrinsic to Nazi ideology and propaganda, and the people that modern day conservatives label degenerates usually tend to be the same people Nazis labelled degenerates.
This is why Nazi no longer means anything. Leftists apply the word everywhere, it has become meaningless.
Consider them a National Socialist ? , I don't get it .
you do realize you are supporting their points further by calling them Nazis?
Blaire White is the person who helped me grow out of conservatism. Transgender people used to be something that disgusted me. I was unsure about her at first, but her being “conservative” opened me up to trans ideas and that eventually lead me to consider more things. What else was I wrong about? I’ve now years later come full circle and realize how shit she is politically, but she did do something important for me as a young conservative.
Now is when there's a plot twist and is revealed that Blaire was playing 4D chess, making weak and nonsensical arguments in purpose, focusing more in optics and such to drive trans folks on the right further left lmao
For me, it was Bill mahr and becoming an atheist. He shat on everything I was at the time, but he did it in such an eloquent and bombastic way, and with such great evidence that, along with other skeptic's, made me really consider "what if the people I love and support... Are wrong?" Now, as an atheistic anarchist, he just looks like the entitled, confused and hateful liberal that he is.
@@ethanstump Part of me wonders if he was genuinely that awful the whole time, or if it was just when trump was elected that he became batshit crazy. I was a liberal in 2016, and I remember his Democratic partisanship drove me completely off his schtick at that point. Now, he says such ridiculous nonsense that watching him speak is genuinely infuriating.
@@sealogic4552 i think it's a mix of both TBH. as I went from a kid to young adult, i started questioning the thing's i had been given from my parent's and community, and i realized there were a number of thing's that didn't add up. for bill, he went from liberalism being the "alt" thing, to liberalism being the assumed default. further, he went from having a number of genuinely radical for the time position's (atheism, weed legalization, and others), to looking like a centrist boomer at best, to a typical boomer at worst.
I think it's more that the younger generation's are moving wayyyy left, then mahr moving right, but i still do think he genuinely has moved right over the decades.
then again, he always was a rich prick, he's just no longer "our" rich prick.
as many people have pointed out from different positions, reformist's don't hate that someone is dominating, they despise that THEY aren't the ones dominating. now that bill mahr has all the trapping's of power after being an outsider for so long, he has turned into the hypocritical, myopic, deceitful and uncritical people he has lampooned for decades. kind of like colbert also. stewart seem's like he hasn't shifted at all, but understand's that there are younger, more radical people taking the lead, and is willing at least to hear them out and still learn something. john oliver seem's like his genuine heir, rather than trevor noah, but even Oliver is less radical than many zillenial's and zoomers are shaping up to be.
I’m really glad that she helped to deradicalize you, and I am so glad that you were able to carry yourself on beyond the point she could take you. Welcome to enlightenment and compassion! ❤
It is telling that the left gives Blaire more respect than she gives herself.
Exactly. We may disagree with her but at least we respect her identity, which is more than you can say for them. People will often whine that "the left is so mean to you if you don't agree with them on everything!" as if the right are any better. They're not. The only difference is, the right will hate you for what you believe AND what you are as a person.
Very, very true
I don't understand why "the left" should give Blaire any respect. She's just trash.
Her views are trash for sure, but honestly you already respect her by using her pronouns, something the right (as evidencef by this debate) doesn’t do in the slightest
@@DeHeld8 empathy
Those Blair White calls allies misgender her, and those she calls enemies treat her with respect. I think that is really sad.
I’m no longer a fan of Blair’s but I will say this: people on both political sides disrespect her lol
@@MakeupWithSmidge the difference is that the ones on the left disrespect her for her choices, where as the ones on the right disrespect her for who she is.
@@MakeupWithSmidge Slightly missing the difference between getting angry at a trans person for being an asshat, and outright rejecting their identity lmao
@@kagakai7729 that’s true lol
@@DarthWoodracktrue 😂
No matter how hard I think about it I can’t see how changing your gender to another gender would have any kind of connection to being attracted to a child…?
In the eyes of the reactionary right, they view any and all members of the LGBTQ+ community as being "deviant", and by accepting _one_ form of deviant behavior, it opens the door for society to accept even more extreme deviations from the norm. They paint it as a slippery slope to pedophilia acceptance that quite simply doesn't exist.
Well these people think a thousand year old fantasy novel is true and taken seriously. Dont come with logic.
these people believe there is an invisible man in the sky who watches all of them every day to make sure they follow ten rules and if they dont hell send them to a fiery, torterous eternal suffering, but nonetheless still loves them. Youre arguing with people who are delusional, of course its not going to go anywhere.
OK. I will try to describe the reasoning, without endorsing it.
In their view, it's not that THE SAME PEOPLE who are transgender will obviously also be attracted to minors.
Their concept is that the same kinds of reasoning which supports LGBTQIA+ activism, can also be applied to MAP (minor attracted persons, look it up if you are not familiar with them).
The concept currently being promoted by self-identified "minor attracted persons" in attempting to be accepted under the LGBTQIA+ umbrella is that they too have no control over their attractions, any more than a gay person could decide to be straight or a trans person could decide to be cis, so society should likewise support rather than stigmatize them. This is a real movement seeking inclusion today, not a figment of conservatives.
However, no mainstream LGBTQIA+ organization is accepting MAP as part of their cause today, and most members would strongly oppose that.
But given the continual expansion of what's under the LGBTQQIAA+ umbrella, conservatives fear that the same logic will eventually lead to "accepting" MAP as a legitimate oppressed sexual minority.
The gender transitioning of minors based on treating them as capable of understanding the lifelong implications of a decision, raises for conservatives the question of whether there will eventually be a move to also allow youths to "consent" to sex with a MAP.
While we cannot control what the LTBTQIA+ movement will do in the future, we can hope that the concept that young people cannot meaningfully consent to some things will forever remain valid for the movement. I personally am clear about that.
But the conservative fear is not entirely baseless, or invented out of thin air. I can understand how they could see a progression which would lead to that in the future, even if most of us today do not subscribe to that.
Again, I'm trying to explain the concern I've seen, without agreeing that it's inevitable or desirable. We should understand the concern fairly, rather than invent a strawman.
@@zephsmith3499 I get that you're not endorsing these beliefs, and I understand exactly what you're saying, but also... their reasoning is still terrible. And that's because humans are actually fully capable of doing one thing and not another. Children can have the bodily autonomy to express themselves as transgender, and no, that does not mean society needs to give them the legal authority to consent to csa.
Likewise, we as a society can fully accept all LGBTQ+ people, a group whose interests do not cause harm, without accepting MAPs, a group that does cause harm. I don't know what it is with far-right conservatives (and a lot of other people as well, tbh) and this persistent, baffling inability to think outside of these one-size-must-fit-all authoritarian dichotomies.
How did I actually miss that Lauren calls Blaine a pedophile right at the start and nobody questions it?
That’s because they all agree with her, with the possible exception of Karlyn.
But they also don't agree at all. They wouldn't be sitting around debating conservatism with a child abuser. So they all agree, but it doesn't mean what those words mean. It's just a thing they say about trans people.
It's a little generous to call these people 'thinkers'.
they are not what we would call intellectual
More like *group thinkers
If they are thinkers then, I must be Albert Einstein
its generous to label any american with the cognitive dissonance as a leading world power
"A brain fart is considered a thought"
- Confucius
seeing Blaire say ''i agree" to the same person that 5 seconds earlier said she shouldnt have had a platform to speak on is..... radioactive for me :)
So Sandro said Trans Rights?
Blaire: Pick me. Love me. Choose me.
She also said something not even moderately conservative, it was overt racism. "the white working class" what a fucking nazi.
@@kys4s4c *gimme money
@@user-pm3ms5vj2d It's super sad how she doesn't realize (or simply doesn't care) that shes regurgitating the same obnoxious and bigoted opinions that people like Lauren have. Rightwingers and their mental gymnastics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wonder Karlyn is starting to rethink that whole “I went to a Trump rally and everyone was so nice and accepting of everyone”
In a related note, places that holds Trump rallies tend to have a posterior spike on hate crimes. I'm really curious to know about her experience in more detail since Trump rallies have all the energy of a douche who unironically uses a "No fat chicks" t shirt.
Of course not.
Well, she’s doing hitler apologetics now, so I doubt it
It always catches me of guard when I'm confronted with the mindless, inhuman hate and cruelty of morally bankrupt social conservatives like Lauren Witsky. Their behaviour is so reprehensible that it initially leaves me in a state of shock. I struggle to comprehend how it's even possible for a person to be so perfectly awful.
I know that everyone has the potential to grow, learn and improve, and so usually, I'm able to have compassion for people who are behaving badly. I think, "you clearly have some issues, and I hope you manage to work that stuff out in the long run".
But people like Lauren Witsky are on another level for me. Their hatred feels so stable and impenetrable. They seem utterly and fully committed to being vile, disgusting human beings.
I find it extremely hard to believe in the possibility that anything good could ever come from someone like Lauren Witsky.
Blaire White clearly has a stronger heart than I do, and I deeply respect her for that.
blaire doesn't have a strong heart. just heaps of internalized transphobia and the understanding that being the token anti-trans trans girl for the right wing is very profitable.
I think about that too, and honestly the best thing we can do is try to prevent kids from growing up to be adults that hate like Lauren, and limit people like Laurens power over everyone elses freedoms. Its really sad because to grow up like that you have to come from a really harsh environment with lots of hateful people, and plenty of self hate too, to bury your own empathy that far down.
Stronger heart? What? Why do you respect White?
You might be mentally ill then, mentally ill people often report to feel the same things when someone correctly identifies their mental illness. There was a time when gender dysphoria was indeed considered a mental illness. Not all that long ago in fact.
@@KD-ou2npkeep kids away from trans and alphabet ideology, they figure out what they want to make of themselves and act on it when they are of legal age, if it even is the case in such a scanario.
Conservatives: Anything moving away from rugged individualism is Socialism!
Also Conservatives: People being gay in their own bedroom affects us all as a society!
Isn't it gay people making it public? Otherwise, how would they know what you do in private?
@@mindlander maybe you should look into the history of the lavender scare
@Stay Away yes they are. I'm pointing out that conservatives don't like the in public, at home, sin all you want lol I'm not defending them, just explaining their ACTUAL bigotry.
@Stay Away He literally didn't watch the fucking video where the guy OPENLY ADMITTED IT, in basically those exact words.
Straight up trying to gaslight us.
@@mindlander Bro… watch the whole video. The guy literally says somewhere around the 20 minute mark of /this/ video that he thinks it’s unacceptable to be gay in private.
Blaire desperately wants to be friends with the mean girls, the bullies.
I've never seen so much self hate. It's staggering.
@@hyacinth1320 I'd feel sorry for her if she wasn't constantly punching those with less power than her. I have no respect for this woman.
that's because she is one of them.
Blaire reminds me so much of myself when I first started transitioning. I was in highschool at the time and actually believed if I tried to make myself “one of the good ones.” Like tolerating things like people purposely misgendering me, being made the butt of jokes, sometimes even putting down other people in the lgbt community, it would make things easier for me in the long run of life. Not only did that make me miserable, but it didn’t even work.
Thankfully, I got to grow out of that toxic mindset with maturity and didn’t have to stick to those beliefs due to my entire career being tied to it.
@@angell8632 I'm glad you experienced personal growth like that.
"I disapprove of what you say (that I should die), but I will defend to the death (you killing me) your right to say it" - Blaire White
Lauren's so far right-wing that she doesn't even support right-wing political figures lol
Omgoddness I found Cringey gacha kid who also does Harry Potter (who has a Zuko Pfp and I always find on Percy Jackson videos)
she is the best example of the horseshoe. shes so right wing shes wrapped around and become left wing
That he straight up says that people doing whatever they want in private affects society and shouldn't be allowed.... against every Republican argument for "my freedoms" and "small government." They're literally saying the fascism out loud, fam!
ikr! and then go a hurl orwellisms like double-think without a grain of ironic awareness too
Rules of thee but not for me!
John Doyle identifies as a social conservative authoritarian, he never intends to hide that he is a fascist.
@@im19ice3 the ones in power know it's nonsense but it riles up their base and that's all that matters to them.
@@bluexroses414 What I’ll say to that, having seen quite a bit of Doyle’s content and the way he’s rapidly radicalized over the years, we’re just a couple months to a year away from him just taking the label. He’s already dropped the pretence that people like him usually have of tepid libertarianism, he’s willing to call himself an authoritarian.
Christ Blaires grift is getting so bad it may actually end up killing her.
Remember when she agreed to be in that one "rappers" music video where she dances around while he sang about trans people being fake women?
She purposefully seeks out people to invalide her. It's self harm.
I wouldn't be surprised if she agrees to be in some sort of collaboration and it ends up being a ploy to kill her. Genuinely depressing, I don't like Blair, but I don't want her to experience the kind of bigotry that her OWN AUDIENCE puts her though.
Basically self hate
@@puffinatheart5565 they're not even subtle about it, they don't even do the "I'm fine with trans people but"
they straight up just say it to her face, you are everything wrong with this country.
And she just fucking sits there and takes it
She is probably going to kill herself 😔
she is digging that hole, she can let it be her gr4ve, since shes just seeking attention/political clout. i swear everyone thats left or right and just say/believe horrible garbage takes for the sake of attention or clout is why i think the entirety of modern day politics is a joke...
"why be an actual politician when you can become an attention chasing goblin" nearly every "famous politician" on youtube. (i mean the ones who get themselves in hot water for the sake of it.) clout chasers on both sides just make it hard to give a rat shite about any of this. bs.
i said it on TRO's video and I will say it here, Blaire is a perfect case study of the trans people that lay on places like /lgbt/, self loathing, sad, depressed people who take their anger on others as a way to either stand as "one of the good ones" or as a way to self harm.
She wants to be seen as one of the "cool trans", not the "weird loonies", she desperately wants to appeal to a target audience that, on their core, hates her.
It's just sad.
I agree. But I don’t think her transness is what motivates her to be conservative - if she was born as a cis woman I would predict she would be nearly as transphobic as Lauren. I think Blair is as conservative as she possibly can be without completely erasing herself. It’s not just to be as palatable and pandering as possible to bigots, but she literally pushes transphobia as far as it can possibly be pushed without being closeted - like she can say transphobic things to trans kids because she’s not a trans kid, and she can say transphobic things about non-binary people because she’s not non-binary, but she can’t be fully against the legal right to transition as an adult because she would have to cease her existence as a passing woman.
For any conservative idiots reading this: At least y’all can see that being trans is not a choice. It’s so not a choice that a conservative like Blair can’t even choose to be cisgender, despite that it would make her life far easier to ‘just not be trans’ in the conservative space. She literally has to allow people from her own political party to say dehumanizing, violent things to get by.
we on /lgbt/ hate her too 🤷🏼♀️
Very relatable as a blk person. Candace and Kanye do the same thing
I've seen a lot of commentary wincing at the terrible things Blaire allowed to be said about herself without comment. And people have asked how she can align herself with people who clearly want to hurt her. The answer is simple:
She's a conservative.
There are many dimensions of conservatism, many different forms that conservatism can take. Blaire White is exactly like the other two in kind, but not in *degree.* And she knows that. She's there *because* she is like them.
She doesn't hate herself; she hates all non-conservative trans people who refuse to "police" other trans people. She hates trans people who haven't put forth the effort (aka: money) to be trans like she did. She hates trans children because being trans is supposed to take a lot of work to figure out, and if a child can figure it out, then that means it isn't that hard.
The only difference between herself and Lauren Witsky is that Lauren removes all of the qualifiers. She doesn't hate "trans people who ..."; she just hates "trans people".
Blaire White's political ideology offers her a choice. She can join the side that shares her broad ideology but hates her with a burning passion. Or she can join the side that recognizes her right to be trans but refuses to police other trans people and limit them the way she feels they ought to be limited.
Why do you refer to Blaire White as a woman? He is a man with a wig.
Transgender drugs and surgeries SHOULD be limited!
As should transgender women in cisgender women's spaces and sports competitions!
I'm glad Blaire White is sane enough to realize that!
Too bad she is the only transgender person to do so it seems.
shame that one of the most insightful comments has the shittiest comment section.
@@readysoldier6799 you’re a bit stupid, but that’s alright, everyone grows up sometime
Blaire White does not "hate" anyone who you are saying she hates. She openly states in her videos that she went through a transition and has been in their shoes before. What she does do is protest against people who make transgender-ism a trend, and those who do not treat it as what it is (a mental disorder). I mean that with no disrespect. That is simply what it is. Contrary to what Joel said, she does not focus on trans people in her videos. She exposes pedophiles. Some of which are trans, but those who are are using that as an excuse for their pedophilia. Also, the biggest topic she discusses is how it is wrong for transitions to be forced onto kids. She says openly that even though there are exceptions to children transitioning (meaning sometimes it works out and everyone is happy), there are still handfuls of children who transition young and it ruins their lives because it was an uninformed decision. Therefore, children transitioning shouldn't be allowed due to the risks. She is not an extremist, nor is she bigoted. All of her views are level, and are for the safety of everyone. Respectfully, do your research before making bold assumptions.
Imagine being so right wing that it makes Blaire look left wing by comparison.
"Im not a nazi."
-the person to the right of Blair white.
It's not that hard because she's not particularly right wing. The only conservative values she holds are freedom to happiness, small government, and the free market. Other than that, she's pretty liberal, all things considering.
@@lilahdog568 lmao the national SOCIALIST party (inherently left wing) imagine having selective history narratives you use to paint anyone who is to the right of Karl Marx as a Nazi
And yet Blaire still sucks up to them. It boggles the mind.
@@jonnys8853 just fyi Blaire is still very much a liberal
"They're coming for our children!!!" she says. Are we sure that she's a *former* QAnon follower?
Sadly that's pretty baseline average conservative.
Eh that's a pretty common phrase used to justify Homophobia and Transphobia
good she's distracted..........we can take their cake the true target all along.
Yeah that sounded like a Qanon dog whistle
It sounds like she basically decided Trump was not far enough right.
“Uh we also have a transgender on here, y’know I really don’t think we should be giving a platform to this kind of degeneracy” IT SOUNDS LIKE A PARODY OF ITSELF I CANT HELP BUT LAUGH
I physically gagged at the 'grow out your moustache' comment.
People amaze me every day, and it's usually in a bad way.
Lauren is like a stereotypical villain, she honestly seems vile.
She was hiding her full power level in that debate. She's against interracial marriage because she wants to maintain a white majority in the USA, and she claims the USA needs to stop immigration to keep the American bloodline pure, she's a literal NAZI.
@@canadagoose8543 holy crap I didn’t know all that!
@@canadagoose8543 So The U.S. Can’t Have Borders?
@@canadagoose8543 So No Sovereignty?
@@canadagoose8543 BTW, You Got Twitter?
These phrases like "natural law" and "degenerate" are such anti-science, anti-humanist nonsense
It smells nazi dog whistle
People like Blaire White exist in nature (in this physical world) therefore it's natural
It's such a stupid argument
There are actual good arguments for natural law theory, such as that of Finnis, which don't rely solely on believing religion to be the basis just because, advocating for a set of basic moral principals almost all humans share due to our functional needs. But absolutely, hella conservatives tend to use these phrases with no legitimate thought or reasoning put into it besides "because that's how God made it," deciding to ignore literally all aspects of "nature" that go against what they're claiming.
"Degenerate" just means "anything I'm not used to and are therefore uncomfortable with". These people are just so painfully transparent, they think like toddlers with neglectful parents.
right?? who even says the phrase degenerate in a non-ironic setting:D
The first two sentences of Lauren shocked me like oh my god. If I was Blaire I would instantly think this is a mistake, what am I doing with my life hanging out and associating myself with these people?
Degeneracy? Gateway to pedophilia? I‘m at 2:23 and already had to pause. Damn wtf.
the simple statement of “equality is simply not a conservative idea” should tell you everything you need to know about these people
"the globo-homo-initiative" sounds like the most lit party event ever 😄
Good band name.
Sounds like a hidden Deus Ex ending
I want a bumper sticker in my hands right now
Once again Republicans threaten us all with a good time.
@@SeekerLancer “If you don’t listen to what we say you could end up smoking weed, having sex that is actually enjoyable and not just for procreation, and talking to a lot of interesting people from different racial, social and cultural backgrounds. How awful!” 🤣😂
I mean they're just outright fascists. They're fascists telling a trans person "we're gonna come for you", and she's saying, "no, don't come for me, I believe some of the same things as you", and they're saying "no, we're gonna come for you." That's how fascism works.
It would be sad if it wasn't her choice.
"Everything I don't like is fascism"
@@iexist1300 feeling trapped in a death cult always strikes me as tragic, personally. Probably a side effect of escaping one tho so I won’t begrudge you for not feeling as I do.
@@tubeguy4066 uh no, this specific ideology is fascism. dumbass.
its very much "First they came for the socialists...", except less steps bc theyre coming for everybody all at once all the time
Blaire White is the Candace Owens of trans people.
Blaire White is to trans people what Ben Shapiro is to Jewish people
You forgot a Dave rubin
Yes, people who don't fit within your political hive mind.
And Ben Shapiro
@@BeepBeepRayya
Blaire White has called out Ben Shapiro recently.
Blair is trying so hard to be the person that doesn't call disagreement transphobia that she wasn't even willing to call blatant bigotry what is it
“I absolutely will not vote for a party that treats LGBT people like they are subhuman; I won’t do it” - and yet she voted for the Republicans and is a republican? The mind games conservatives play is always amazing
She's literally gaslighting herself.
Mind games is a bit complementary. Everyone knows conservatives don't have minds. Maybe an empty hamster wheel in a void, or usually red jello. But not so much the "mind" thing.
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 They do have minds, some of them are quite smart. Maybe. I think they're just deeply egotistical, unempathetic and uncurious about things that don't affect them. I haven't met one that wasn't abusive in some way and it makes me deeply sad because it's such a widespread belief system.
@@PlaylistGeneral It doesn't require more than maybe 3 braincells to put together that racism and xenophobia are obviously bad and a good person would try their best to not be those things. But they actively reject or refuse to seek out any data that conflicts with their world view. So maybe some of them can almost think but it's signs of a mindless drone, the patterns of conservatives.
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 i think the issue is that thr less radical ones deny being bigoted in any way and think they're reasonable good people. It's a trap that honestly anyone can get into, the issue with conservatives is they think if they're any of those things then they're immediately bad people. So they shut down any concept which lends credence to the idea. Its much more complicated than them just being mindless drones, otherwise there wouldn't be so many of them.
Hearing John Doyle say "conservatives are authoritarians who believe in social hierarchies" is giving me big-time "he just tweeted it out" feels.
Oh hey it’s that guy
FINALLY, a bit of honesty from a Conservative
Oh hey you radicalized me, what’s up
I was thinking of you when he said that, ha.
Ya just saying the Quite part out loud
They literally forget that Jesus said to love thy neighbor. I'm not even a Christian and I'm ashamed at their fall from grace.
Christianity also never mentioned gay or trans people
@@Mrcleanfrfr well exactly, so their god never told them to hate them lol.
These people aren't Christians though. It's just something to justify their hatred.
luckily for them the definitions of 'love' and 'neighbour' are fairly vague
As much as I hate what Blaire White has done to pretty much every minority group I hope someday she realizes how much these people hate her and works not only to help repair some of the damages she's caused for others, but also to repair the damage done to her.
You're just miserable all around aren't you?
What has she done?
She’s interviewed de-transitioners about their experiences. An even smaller population. She had an hour long debate with Jessica Yaniv, a trans woman who’s taken pictures of girls in the washroom, and caused 10 businesses to close down because those businesses refused to do Brazilian waxing on Jessica’s male genitalia.
She also rips into Onison, who posted pictures of girls in bras for him to rate.
A lot of people love her.
@Wesley Hickey she's allowed detransitioners to spread lies about trans people, made up lies about trans people and dug up pretransition photos to harass them, she's misrepresented landback and blm and that's just the stuff I know about. I don't pay super close attention to her anymore
@@talithacrow7530 I’ve watched ton of her videos, and I have no idea what you mean by lies from detransitioners. Like the fact that children should not transition until they are old enough to make proper decisions? Or for more vetting? I don’t see how that’s hurting trans people at all.
And what lies about trans you people?
If you ever read comments on her videos, there’s a lot of self claimed Christians, straight, and white people commending her for her logic.
Honestly, with all the insanity coming from the lgbt community, it’s refreshing to see someone use solid logic,
@@wesleyhickey6959
I'm a conservative and really like Blaire White. I feel that she is open and honest with her followers and thats something I can support. I really wish that she would have stood up to Lauren and not let her insult her and be like I have every right to this platform as everyone else. She has earned my respect.
Transgender is a “gateway drug” oop- that’s all i needed to hear from that lady
Gunna go take me from trans and get high
@@Mushroomhoe help a comrade out and pass me some degeneracy once you're done
She’s right! First I was trans, now I’m sacrificing babies to Satan and doing a little dance next to the alter 😔
It's like saying that conservatism is a gateway drug to fascism.... oh wait!
I don't think they realize how many gates you have to crash through to get your hormones.
"Trump got the most votes of any sitting president in history, I think there's a reason for that"
Yes Blaire it's called population growth
It's mainly called "Enabling as many people as possible to vote".
@@CK-nh7sv yeah mail in voting and stuff made it so that both candidtates got a shit ton of votes
I disagree, while yes those are factors, trump invigorated a lot of people, and brought out so many Republicans to vote and showed the underbelly that they developed. He also brought out every person with a moral backbone to fight him
did he even? am i tripping? didnt hilary get more votes? im so confused by what this is about
@@Vickynger Hilary got a lot of votes but not the most in democratic history and in 2020 Trump did get more than her in 2016. However, Biden got the most ever in history. And it is totally because all the reasons started above: white identity politics, ease of voting, moral outage, the pandemic.
The fact that Lauren said that to Blair’s face… I know several transgender women and they are wonderful people who deserve to live their truth, and the fact that another trans woman is not only actively working against that, but is allowing herself to be degraded by the people she’s trying so desperately to impress is nothing short of embarrassing. Brown nosing at its finest
But truth isn't subjective. Trans peoppe can't transition gender and that's just reality. You'll always be cheap recreation that doesn't work properly as the real quality thing. It is what it is
I appreciate Doyle’s ability to actually understand his ideology. He isn’t as deluded but more so his moral compass and values come from a place which we, the left, fundamentally disagree with.
He reminds me of that character from 1984 who eventually is vaporized that was very pro-totalitarian regime and actually admitted it was a totalitarian regime. I forget his name but its the guy in Winston’s lunchroom towards the beginning who explains double think
Syme
*Disturbed laughter*
Watch his video on how Beauty and The Beast is actually a conservative story about a narcissistic Belle who, as a stupid feeeeemoid, dumbly rejects Gaston, the masculine hero and protagonist of the story. Doyle simps for Gaston hardcore and claims that his illiteracy is a sign of how he as a masculine man he values the objective and Belle is a narcissist for reading. Doyle is delusional as fuck
yes. he saw the truth and it didnt matter what he thought about the truth. as conservatives get increasingly brazen with their fascist-adjacency, and occasionally straight up fascism, this becomes less true. a man who acknowledges the truth and likes it becomes the model republican, rather than the target Syme was.
@@Thrlta they never said they agreed, they just appreciated that they didn’t try to hide something so obvious.
This is the same dynamic as a kid trying to fit in with the cool kids at school even though every joke is at their expense.
It’s sad to witness
Candace Owens' past and present comes to mind.
The pick mes
@@1MarkKeller being used as a token for the right pays well though I’m pretty sure
@@bigdadybojangls9219 No doubt. No doubt at all.
Prime example of why "I am one of the good ones" type of grift always back fires
For them, the only " good one" it's dead
Exactly. Being a fascist doesn't make you safe from fascism, and make no mistake, nobody's safe from fascism. As soon as their more immediate enemies are dealt with, if not sooner, they'll turn to the next target, again and again until they're either stopped or there's nobody left. Even if, through sheer luck, you somehow don't fall into a single group any of them hate today (and that's very unlikely considering how many different groups various fascists think are subhuman), there's no guarantee that will be the case tomorrow. You could become disabled at any point, if you're not today, and as you get older, it's pretty likely you WILL, assuming you don't die first. And even if you don't change, there's no guarantee the fascists won't decide that a group that includes you is no longer OK.
Blaire just wants to be the last trans to get axed in the fashy ethnostate the side she's fighting for will create.
She doesn't care about anyone else, as long as she gets to stick around longer.
👍 Dave Rubin and Candace Owens were unavailable for comment.
@@argenteus8314 Wait I'm confused:
Are you saying conservatives like to use fascism to enforce their bigotry?
Or
Are you saying conservatives are fascist overall?
@@jesustyronechrist2330 if an individual conservative is not a fascist (which many are) they turn a blind eye to fascism. Refusing to acknowledge and be against fascism makes your nation to fascism
"Eat my shit John Doyle" just earned you a sub Joel 🤘
okay but the smirk on Lauren's face at 13:46 just gives off such casually evil energy, imagine being this much of a fucking monster
"Conservative thinker" is being pretty charitable
Hey now. They are thinkers. They only think about 3 things. Being stupid, confused, and angry lol.
An oximoron to call them thinkers
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 I like to say they don't think, they just react. They absorb whatever programming they get from their echo chambers, and then when a new piece of information enters their head they automatically react based on their programming.
@@dtown_demon hey it’s not nice to call people morons. Even if they are on oxy
Conservative "thought":
Person, woman, man, camera, tv.
🧒👩🦰🧔📷🖥
That opening prompt for the conservative “debate” was one of the most hilariously leading questions like, “Hey guys should we be sweet, good little conservative Christians or EVIL DEVIL MONSTERS”
it could not get more biased if it started calling people heretics lmao
@@darkpixel1128 Speaking of heresies, I can't find any church information on Miss Witzke
ngl being an evil devil monster sounds cool as hell
@@MarcillaSmith well, you know what the bible says about woman speaking, namely that they shouldn't. I think jesus would have words for her being on that debate.
@@internetuser8922 I wish god was real because satanic sex cults with an actual devil running the show would so be my jam.
When John Doyle said "conservatives are authoritarians who believe in social hierarchies" I felt that Doyle is more of a monarchist than a republican
This. I've been turning that idea over in my head a lot lately. The more I think about it though, conservatives really ARE monarchists, they just lack the unilateral legislative power to regulate society according to their vision. If they had the power, they'd do it. They have no interest in principles of freedom.
@@delicheese6774 yeah
Whats the difference? Theyre all bootlickers who’ll accept the next facsist despot either way
That's what conservatives basically are, are monarchists disappointed by republicanism. but since republicanism is the closest thing to "acceptable" politics they can get to, that's what they fake in public. There were a fuck ton of religious outcasts to America, from the quakers, Amish, Catholics, to the Mormons and Jews. So while america never really had a king, that was a failing they were willing to rectify.
Same thing tbh.
Hbomberguy said in a video about flat earthers, “she’s wrong about this but she deserves a better movement then this” and I feel like that fits with Blair. She’s desperately trying to get the approval of her party for her existence, but they won’t. She deserves better, but she’s still so wrong.
this debate almost made feel sorry for Blaire White
Blaire White makes me feel sorry for Blaire White.
Almost.
Yeah, hearing her try to defend her right to be a trans person to other conservatives always gives me knots in my stomach. It reminds me of when I was an ultra-conservative kid realizing that no matter what I did, I was never going to be embraced by the conservative community around me because I'm gay. Eventually, I did a complete 180° turn on my politics, but it made me feel really terrible at the time.
@@BSR-zy2so The difference is that you haven’t been making a career out of throwing other trans people to the wolves since 2015.
She knew what kind of a community this would become, but she helped create it anyway.
Promise me you guys, that you will kill me if I ever find myself simping hard for those who want me dead and nothing more.
Anybody else remember the grim adventures of Billy and Mandy? Especially with Billy and his giant spider son? How all the spider wants to do is earn Billy's love and respect, and all Billy wants to do is smash him, and even as Billy is attacking him with a baseball bat, the spider is apologizing for existing?
I'm reminded of that.
:(
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Man that gave me a flashback with a side of depression, Billy and Mandy was a messed up show sometimes.
@@alvinnjenga5782 It well and truly was; I mean I love it but damn it was fucked up here and there.
I have no clue what you're talking about since I never watched it but man, this description just made me sad af.
Blaire folding immediately to make Conservative Mommy like her when this is supposed to be a debate is S Tier comedy, but also kind of sad that she thinks pandering to these people will make them want to treat her like a person.
John doyle: yeah equality is a liberal idea. Conservatives believe in hierarchies that put straight white people on top.
Me: wow glad we can agree that Conservatives are the bad guys
John: we don't agree
thanks John, very cool
It was pretty surprising that he said the quiet part out loud and it’s scary to think that this is going to likely more and more commonplace moving forward.
Blaire White: "If we have a conversation about whether or not I'm a human being, then that would begin to sound like a leftist conversation. So instead, let's talk about whether or not we can get votes by hating gay people."
I kind of appreciate the "mask off" hatred of trans people on display. It shows that there is no point in trying to concede anything to bigots, because their goal is to completely remove trans people from public life even if that means people dying. You don't make peace with that kind of hate. You stand in defiance of it and you survive it.
@Dynah Dixon I was latino conservative sort of and I stopped being conservative after the some channels I followed went full mask off about their white supremacy and after I saw how anti diversity type stuff was just code for racism/sexism.
You're a goddamn hero for this comment. Shit sounded like a fucking Captain America speech.
@@Naruke0Nick Well thank you. I was feeling pretty impassioned when I wrote this.
yeah honestly
@@coletrain546 And they will tell you diversity and multi"cult"urism is "codeword" for anti-white. Or they will mock you with "diversity is our strength." It seems they are utterly incapable of seeing that all things can exist in a space together. No one's gonna get "cooties" if you live and work in the same space as someone else. I'm not anti white, anti black, anti Latino...anti-Asian...Anti- (insert race here) anyone, really. That's stupid. I mean, I can be a lil' nihilistic, but that's a completely different topic, mostly stemming from how humanity treats itself. XD
It's more along the lines of people thinking their rights will evaporate if say women or LGBT have basic human rights. It's some weird tug of war thing. They literally live in a black and white world. When I hear the term "anti-racist = anti-white", I feel the people who say that are just tragically saying more than they mean to, and it doesn't help them in any way. To me, it's as if they are literally saying that the natural default for white is racist-mode, and to be against racism is to be against white (them)...which is racist...which true racists will either deny or proudly embrace given the circumstances. And not only that, they are completely convinced everyone else is just like them (racist), but to be against racism is to be against them (white)...specifically. Excuse me, but that "logic" never fails to melt my brain.
And it's really baffling that if you are pro-everyone, and just want to live in peace, you are this "anti white" and wish to kill all white people in some any-day-now "race war". So naturally, with this mindset, they will go on full balls to the walls warrior mode and will get you (anyone who's against them) before you get them. Like, wut? Where in the actual eff did that come from? XD
It tells me more that people like that don't see themselves as part of the human collective. They see themselves in some elite class above the rest of humanity, hence the "supremacy." And it's not just white people, I've seen that same stupidity from just about every human group under the sun, and they all have their own equally stupid justifications. Too much of the Stupid KoolAid will do that.
Joel it's so important for you to make videos like this as a straight white guy who's an lgbt ally because you can watch this kind of shit without getting triggered and then make it funny and break it down for us. Thanks for putting a funny pirate guy on the content warning.
I hadn’t seen this kind of perspective, it makes sense and is nice
It is nice to see someone with less of an immediate emotional attachment, makes a good gateway for "apolitical" people that would get turned off by a trans person breaking down in the face of such vile disgusting dehumanization.
It sucks that it's needed because being emotionally invested in your own human rights is seen as "losing the debate".
Blair: I'm probably the most vocal anti-children-transitioning person on the internet
Lauren Witzke: Hold my beer
Hahaha
Denmark and most scandinavian countries have changed their standards of care of transpeople radically. Turns out after all the real life data showed that puberty blockers are not the way to go. Imagine my shock. Oh and Britain is also following. In Denmark you they practically don't use hormone blockers anymore and instead opt for therapy and are having great results. For anyone interested you should really look into this issue more.
@@EbonyPope
Sure, give me your sources please
@@theseeker7692 ??? I thought that was common knowledge. Read the Cass report by Hilary Cass the psychologist tasked with evaluating transgender healthcare in Great Britain. What she found out was some pretty concerning stuff. That among other things have led to a radical course correction. In Sweden you can look up the Karolinska hospital and their official statement that they no longer offer puberty blockers outside of research.
Concerninng Denmark look up Ugeskrift for Læger and their official statement which is the same as in Sweden. They no longer offer it due to massive problems with side-effects. These are by the way the same doctors who prescribed them before. So that isn't a push from the right but the very same people who supported it before. I can't post any links here. You have to do the legwork yourself if you are interested in that issue. For any questions just ask me.
@@theseeker7692 I thought that was common knowledge. Read the Cass report by Hilary Cass the psychologist tasked with evaluating transgender healthcare in Great Britain. What she found out was some pretty concerning stuff. That among other things have led to a radical course correction. In Sweden you can look up the Karolinska hospital and their official statement that they no longer offer puberty blockers outside of research.
Concerninng Denmark look up Ugeskrift for Læger and their official statement which is the same as in Sweden. They no longer offer it due to massive problems with side-effects. These are by the way the same doctors who prescribed them before. So that isn't a push from the right but the very same people who supported it before. I can't post any things directly here. You have to do the legwork yourself if you are interested in that issue. For any questions just ask me.
This debate can be summed up in one sentence: "that wasn't very love thy neighbor of you."
Well put.
well, to paraphrase jordan peterson, define 'love', define 'neighbour'
This debate gives me “trying to fit in with the cool kids” vibes
more like "trying to fit in with the bullies" vibes
and the cool kids are bullies
I think Karlyn's comment to Lauren "Between the two of us, I'm the one whose married with a family" is so interesting. Both Karlyn and Lauren have qualities about them that could be considered anti-conservative. Karlyn has short hair and Lauren is single without any children. If either of them lived in the past, they would probably be discriminated against for these reasons, and yet they both still identify as conservative. It just shows that the idea of conservatism is very nebulous and maybe not worth defending.
I cant believe the she was defending the people who put her in the "degenerate and immoral" group in their community
Carlin really said “i stopped being a leftist because it was a bummer” huh???
And of course, "being a bummer" means "having to acknowledge bigotry and societal problems"
Or because the Left got too crazy. But obviously he left it out on purpose
Bitch you obviously don't know wtf you're talking about
@@kasketbase8741 Because people like Trump, Lauren and John are not batshit crazy maybe?
@@enriquesanchez9016 No Lauren is batshit crazy but other than that, i agree
@@kasketbase8741 Trump is easily as angry and openly bigoted as Lauren, and so is John on his own channel. The fact that Karlyn could go to a Trump rally and listen to him speak and describe it as optimistic and friendly just shows that she’s pretty openly grifting. I could maybe agree that the people at a Trump rally were nice to her (as long as you can ignore all the t-shirt and signs about murdering people) but Trump speeches are just airings of grievances.
It's wild to me that Lauren Witzke managed to win 38% of the vote in Delaware, of all places.
Nice to see you here!
White Supremacy is alive and well in America. All around the world really. Sick people
It’s honestly pretty scary seeing how a neo Nazi can get a major party nomination and only barely make a dent in the Republican vote share
A lot of people must only look at the letter next to a candidates name rather than evaluate them as an individual
New England's left-leaning appearance masks the sizable rural population which is less diverse, more conservative, and less tolerant of LGBT people. Also, during the Trump era, right wing politicians are rewarded within their own circles for espousing extreme positions. 38% is consistent with Trump's polling on a national level, and it seems likely that someone like Witzke could get at least 30% anywhere in the country.
Love your stuff, JJ
I want to have some sympathy for her, but after years of degrading other trans ppl and profiting from it, I have 0.
I don't like the abuse she has faced through, I just wish this would somewhat change her mind and stop bootlicking to bigots, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that to happen.
im glad you found it in yourself to change👍
I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party'
It is disturbing to listen to Lauren talk, but it's even more disturbing to watch Blair sit there and take it. These people are depressing.
This is the group of people Blaire has chosen to try to suck up to. Like Milo Yiannopoulos, they'll turn on her and she'll keep trying to be "The good one" and like Milo, she'll fail and be their cast off. And she has to know it. So to hell with her.
It's frightening to consider that a large portion of the electorate is either nuts like the two on the right or willing to put up with and even go along with the nuts for unspecified goals (cause I just can't figure out what is to be gained here for them) like the two on the left.
@@chalkedlines8960 The answer to the mystery is money. They are after money. They want conservatives to give them money for being a trained pet minority that some conservatives like to point to and hide their bigotry.
Blaire White's whole grift is "being trans is fine as long as you do it EXACTLY in the same way as me"
Exactly, you couldn't say it any better.
isn't conservative some version of this ? "being human is fine as long as you do it EXACTLY in the same way as me"
@@placeadrien5566 Yeah, that's correct.
it's never fine
More like "being trans is not fine unless you are me".
Blaire and Lauren are like "GUYS! Be nice to the gays, we're just here for the racism and hating the poor."
If some day hear that Lauren was convicted for murdering one of her own children, I will not be surprised.
"Best thing you can do for us is grow out your mustache"
Holy shit, dude. That's awful. That's just an awful thing to say. Blaire, are these really the people you wanna talk to? Like, wouldn't you rather be anywhere else talking to anyone else?
But da money!
Why should she have said no?
I find it bizarre that anyone is like "no don't go to this DEBATE because the people there disagree with and don't like you"
@@Velereonics Why should she say yes? There's zero civility, non-existant moderation, neither parties gain enlightenment on the issue at the end... Typically when you're invited to a debate you don't expect to be in a room or call with people who clearly don't care to debate you and just want to say the most hateful things they can for as long as they can. You can insist that's debate if you want, but I'd personally rather tweez my pubes than attend, the end result would mostly be the same.
@@Velereonics there is a difference between “disagreeing“ and open verbal hatred and attacks. How Lauren spoke about and to Blair White was abusive, not civil disagreement.
@@Velereonics debate ≠ making transphobic comments
This is the debate that I learned that Lauren Witzke is insane.
Geez, she was always that insane. Bless your innocent soul.
@@amplevelvet5763 I didn't know she existed before this debate
Or just a fascist?
@@biggiesmartypants insane & fascist are synonymous
John Doyle is also a very crazy person. I've seen his videos...."Conservatives believe in natural law" should give you an idea of where he's coming. He's pretty much a fascist, no way around it.
I don't know how she can calmy sit there, be misgendered, told to be invalid, and talked over,
and not just say "What the fuck is wrong with you"
It’s because she’d be just like her if she wasn’t trans
Because it's the truth.
It's not misgender It's accurately gendered
Because she believes in this exact same mistreatment for many other groups just not the one she happened to be born into.
Wow, that first sentence from Lauren really summarized her entire existence real quick.
When you gave a warning about the transphobia I truly was not prepared. Wow.
Gosh, I know! Made me want to puke, and I'm not even a transwoman.
it hit me like a bus
I'm not even trans, and I'm still reeling from it. I grew up around transphobic ideas, for sure, but I don't know if I've ever seen someone be that _blatantly_ transphobic directly to a trans person's face.
It's so masochistic that it's almost art, almost. This is almost an artistic display to me, but have to admit this happened genuinely. Like wow.
It's already highly annoying to listen to as a closeted transman. My heart bleeds for transwomen.
"Bonkers" really is the best way to describe watching that debate. Where a man literally calls for inequality and hiearachy as his platform and HE'S the one that's called reasonable. It was crazy to read the comments of that video where everyone was saying he was based.
While I do think Doyle is a garbage person, I appreciate his honesty and wish more conservatives were that open about being anti-equality. It would make advocating against them so much easier
Conservatives don't even know what based is.
@@zikoran7273 I see your point but in my opinion, fascists should always be afraid to be blatant like that. John Doyle feeling comfortable speaking so freely just shows how much we've conceded to fascism lately. Imo
"Based" has become a meaningless word, much like "simp" and "cuck".
Janson?
fucking hell
blaire is literally dancing for her existence and laurens like no
Blaire white is genuinely such a sad person to me, i understand that she did this to herself but it’s so sad watching someone turn on their community just for one that openly spouts abuse at her regarding her personhood. I hope she’s able to heal one day, I don’t think the queer community will like her considering all the things she’s said and done but at least we don’t deny her existence. Everyone deserves that sorta dignity.
People often say "The left should be more open to civil debate," failing to recognize that in these debates many leftists are arguing against the notion that we, as queer people, poc, women, etc, deserve fewer rights and less freedom in society. It isn't exciting like it is for conservatives. It's painful and demeaning. Blaire, though not a leftist, is still subjecting herself to that dehumanization in the name of "civil discourse." It's fucking sad.
I think it's great. Maybe if enough people tell her to grow out her mustache she'll switch sides. Pun intended.
@@mindlander Left-leaning folks on RUclips are overwhelmingly young and skeptical. Ends up with an anti-grifter cocktail deadly to snake oil salesmen like Blair. No one would take her serious if she were to "change sides".
@@joujou264 idk.. Hunter abalone and the amazing atheist guy are fairly respected by the left these days..
@@mindlander I meant the bare bones definition of skeptical, not the "Banana up the ass" kind.
@@mindlander - "the amazing atheist guy are fairly respected by the left"
Big ol' [Citation needed] on that one. I have no idea who Hunter Abalone is, but if "The Amazing Atheist" has since reformed himself I've seen absolutely zero mention of it in any left-wing media or discussion. If by "fairly respected" you mean "completely ignored as a no longer relevant entity" then sure.
Listening to Lauren Witzke speak as a person from Delaware makes my skin crawl. Seeing her big campaign signs that literally said “protect the family!” on the side of the road really just solidified to me how much the modern republican is no longer trying to hide the fascism
I'd say it's not helping her cause very much and she's not far from looking like a fossil from another age with these ideas ; she'll be the racist homophobic aunt that people roll their eyes at in no time. Let them embarrass themselves, I say.
@@alicedeligny9240 let them die out and move along 💚
@@alicedeligny9240 Oh my sweet summer child, it is quite impossible for these "people" to feel embarrassed about themselves. They only continue to draw bigger and bigger followings. It's getting better for them, not worse.
@@troubledwaters7441 Embarrass themselves in general society. They don't need to be aware of it.
And honestly, if there are people who flock to her ideas...her ideas are becoming things of the past. Now if conservatives want to go on, they have to be nice regarding things they openly vilified 20 years ago. People are moving on and becoming more accepting, and if not, the holders of these beliefs are dying out.
Conservatives aren’t fascists and we shouldn’t call them conservatives. They are fascists and they are the fascist traitor wing of the republicans party. There are lots of “conservatives” who don’t like Trump actually and don’t like fascism. They voted for Biden
I'm a transguy and I didn't know who Blair was before this video. It's horrifying to me that voices like hers are being given relevance in conservative circles. She doesn't speak for us.
She never claimed to.
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 she never claimed to speak for trans people? Really? Yall really are that dumb, huh
its still kinda chilling to see people that seek to genuinely remove the freedom of expression from really inoffensive groups on the basis of religion given a platform, letalone receiving a following
Because there’s nothing more inoffensive than rapists and pedophiles
@@John-bm3lq whats the coorelation between transgenders and rapists/pedophiles exactly?
Wow that whole “republicans were super optimistic, and the dems are gloom & doom” is quite the statement. Its almost as if one ignores all the problems and the other wants to actually address them. Political theatre vs actual politics
You know she's lying about being a former Bernie supporter when compared to the other Democratic candidates, his rallies were ALWAYS high energy. His base is composed of passionate people that are tired of the bad poltical establishment. The "doom and gloom" statement is also loaded with how that was literally Trumps who rhetoric:
The "other" is out to get you whether its non whites, immigrants, gays etc as opposed to Bernie who always had a diverse following which also included loads non crazy white people
@@Spongebrain97 I don't actually doubt that she might have been a Bernie supporter. She sounds like someone who gets swept up by whatever motivated group she's surrounded by at the time and doesn't have an ounce of critical thought in her own head. She literally decided to support Trump because she had more fun with Trump supporters. The rhetoric and politics mean nothing to her, just how the group makes her feel.
The solutions to problems that progressive liberals like Sanders bring to light are challenging. There's a lot of human suffering in the world and no easy way to fix it. Trumpism on the other hand offers you easy scapegoats and a magic man who claims to be the messiah who will fix everything with the wave of a magic wand. It's not shocking that once she was confronted with very real issues after the initial excitement she got from the promise of liberal reform that she'd switch to the party who thinks they can fix everything by chanting loudly to a demagogue. She doesn't care what they actually stand for.
She's definitely not alone in this either. I've met so many Trump supporters in real life who are politically illiterate. When you ask them how they feel on certain issues and why they can at best repeat soundbite responses and at worst don't really know why or because it upsets people they don't like.
@@SeekerLancer true that. Carlyn was also annoying to listen to because in her mind Trump is the way to go despite the fact that he gave a voice to crazy people like Lauren who cruelly mocked Carlyn to her face and insulted her husband who is an immigrant, saying he should be deported despite becoming a citizen after marrying her. Does she not notice that correlation between Trumps rhetoric and people like Lauren??
Well the Dems don't actually want to address them, but they acknowledge some of their existence
Nah democrats do the same thing.
Blows me away when Doyle calls himself authoritarian and doesn’t even stutter
honestly the best kind of authoritarian, if there is that haha
@@piratepat44 the best type of authoritarian is sexism and transphobia? Controlling what people do behind closed doors? What?
@@vraisairs9201 LOL oh god, no.. the type that says it is authoritarian out right, so everyone is clear about who they are. I'm not supporting authoritarian politics, was mainly making a joke
@@piratepat44 sorry, can never be sure when you meet an actual fascist in RUclips comments
@@vraisairs9201 this is pretty true sadly
In a way I see myself in Blaire in these clips. I clearly don't think like her on a political level, I want to see capitalism go and I want any values that suppress minorities from equal opportunity and acceptance to be removed from society, but the way she just doesn't stick up for herself in the face of transphobic abuse is reminiscent of how I act when trying to remain composed when my dad or other transphobic people in my life will basically use willfully ignorant hate speech at me. It's like I subconsciously wish in the moment that if I accept their premises, they may accept mine. But they don't. They just go farther.
I really feel for you. I’ve recently changed the way I look at people. I was never hateful, but I sure wasn’t nice. I am sorry your family treats you like that.
The phrase "choose to change their mind" from Lauren pretty much describes it.
It's astonishing just how pathetic Blaire White is. Here she is just desperately trying to appease people who are being openly hateful towards her.
People watching this sympathized with her though. Obviously transphobic shit is not ok but she just got a lot of brownie points from most everyone across the political spectrum. Could be a massive boost for her.
Because *doing* that - being the "one good one" for talking heads to trot out when it's advantageous to them - is literally her full time job.
I've seen your pfp before. What is it??
@@mkwke215 It's the flag of the International Brigades.
@@robertrulebirtannia oh yes that's right.
It's funny that Blaire White makes fun of transgender women who are more masculine, while not realizing that she is also making fun of cisgender women who have more masculine features; and other cis and transgender women who can't afford surgeries to look like a Barbie doll.
Failing to realize the existence of privelege as well as not applying it to themselves is kinda the whole conservative thing. "Fuck you, got mine"
I’m pretty sure she’s fully aware of it love. She literally shits on tons of other trans women bc they’re not as pretty as she is, bc you need to be pretty to be a good trans woman! And don’t even mention trans women who haven’t gotten/don’t want to get/can’t get top/bottom surgery! They don’t count as trans according to Blaire (even tho she apparently hasn’t had bottom surgery done herself…) (obviously I’m not saying trans people are invalid if they don’t get hormones/surgery. I’m saying that Blaire is a disgusting hypocrite)
@@heddelinpralin1481 yeah. She never got to experience having a high school mean girl phase, so she's having it now. No one's gonna tolerate it when she turns 30.
@@ms_cartographer I would feel bad for her if she wasn’t actively hurting other people. It’s just sad
@@heddelinpralin1481 same. If she wasn't lying about people for views. She used to have great content, but then she just turned into a mean girl.
The ironic part is that Big Joel has infinitely more respect for Blaire White than her fellow conservatives
How is it respectful to want to box someone into a "community" of degeneracy and delusion, based on the fact they're trans? He wants Blaire to be a good little troon
@@charlene2459I am so interested in you. Your position is so far from reality, it must have grown wings.
Fr, I despise basically everything Blaire stands for with her platform, but I cannot fathom viewing her the same dehumanizing way her "allies" do
the words that come out of these people mouths is absolutely chilling to the bone, also that's why low key how I can't understand LGBT+ conservatives, I mean they literally hate you and yet you want to be with them?
Stockholm syndrome is definitely a thing. Further, it's so pervasive if you live in a conservative area, talk to conservative people, have conservative family, have conservative co worker's, and yet know within your bones this is who you are. They are clear coping mechanisms, bargaining, denial, projection and more. Yet she forever stays within " reasonable" bounds, never questioning the premise never questioning the movement, never questioning the people around her, and never questioning herself.