Weathering Ballast Wagons
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2019
- In this video I apply some much needed weathering to my rake of Hornby Seacow ballast wagons. I really enjoy doing small projects like this and hope to bring you more in the future as I now have a better workbench in the house for doing this sort of thing. For future vids I have a loco repaint in the works and of course will be continuing to progress with the layout scenery over the next month or so.
Thanks to Dave & Andy who visited the layout a few weeks ago. If you're interested in more behind the scenes at Everard Junction then check out the latest video over on Dave's channel.
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Another good video. The interior of the wagons needs to be a lot lighter in colour due to the colour of the ballast dust being white in colour. Also the side chutes as well. Because of the action of the ballast pouring out of the chutes when being unloaded the paint on them wore off very quickly. Due the the centre door being a half tube in shape ( upwards) there was always some stone that stayed in the hopper after an unloading run. When staff tried to fetch this out from an open door on the side chute using their ballast forks, this would sometimes leave scratch marks on the chute. This would be the silver color of bare metal. The only sixteen needed to your train is a Shark ballast brake. I spent twenty odd years from the late seventies unloading these wagons along with Sealion, Dogfish and Catfish wagons in the P'way dept of British Rail.
Thanks for the info, they can certainly be enhanced with further effects. I'd like to add some scratches in future and work on the insides a bit more. Managed to find a pair of Sealions for sale so will be adding those to the rake soon. Cheers
@@EverardJunction Thank you for your reply. There is alot of scope for detailing/ weathering engineers wagons.
Great video. Brings back memories of photographing double headed Cromptons working the Tonbridge to Meldon ballast empties at West Ealing, a train that was regularly formed of Seacow wagons.
Fantastic video Graham, very interesting to watch with your explanatory. Cheers, Gary
Ha ha, as this video goes online I am watching DP meets EJ where you are talking about how you enjoyed the coal wagon conversions you did a while back. Great work you do Richard, you are an inspiration!
Hi Richard, Superb blog, great to see your Dutch Engineering Weathering wagons, it was great to watch you do the weathering in front of the camera and what products to use. Nice to see Dave and Andy in the blog to, a bit of a bonus footage to have in and see and hear all your banter, it was great to meet you all at the Warley Open Day back in 07June2019. Excellent day and hope we get to go to more of those in the future. One of the best blogs to date, Richard. 👍Thumbs Up 👍
Fantastic, always informative entertaining and fun!
Thank you Richard and co.
Weathering time lapse videos and how to videos I love when you do them. Never an issue to watch right through. Always learn something new from other people techniques and these come up really well. Another awesome video, Clint at Leila Central.
Fantastic video Richard, and a fantastic day, thanks so much for the invite. Was great to spend time with you both. Thanks a few more weathering tips love the sea cows, look very good behind the 33's, the weathering is spot on, so easy to go over board. Andy
Cheers Andy, thanks for visiting. Had a really good day, don't think the trains have ever run for that long before!
Never done weathering before, so looking forward to trying it out one day. Nice work Richard
Wow nearly 90 minutes this evening of dean park and everard junction. Great viewing.
Brilliant work on the wagons, keep up the good work
Great work! Some good tips for weathering in there. Thanks Richard!!!
Nice wagons you got there, Richard! Thanks for sharing and inspiring! 👀
Great job! I really enjoyed watching this video. And the layout is a pleasure to watch too. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Richard, it is always inspirational to watch a perfectionist at work, so congratulations on a fantastic weathering job. It is amazing the difference it makes when you compare the unweathered wagons to the weathered wagons. The fact that they are not weathered exactly the same adds to the realism. They really look great running on your layout. Cheers Greg
wow, amazing job, you did a great job weathering those cars.
Thanks for sharing this Richard. Off the back of it you inspired me to have a go at some of my Dapol IOAs with the sponge technique. The results are superb, so thank you again for sharing !!
No problem, the sponge is surprisingly effective!
Fabulous video Richard and you've even got Dave on record smiling and laughing
Lovely Footage. I might weather my Seacow Wagons now. Thanks 👊👊
You didn't call it out, but looking at the spreading of the wash with the dry brush you can see how it picks out the line of rivets really nicely. It's a good example for how this sort of technique can really pull out subtle features like that in a model
I too think that you are one of the best modelers around. I really love the look of your wagons. Great video and info. Will have to keep this one around
For anyone reluctant to have a go at weathering their stock, just grab your most modest item of freight stock and get that first brushstroke of paint on it. Now you have to finish it, and once you have completed one item, even if it looks a bit ham-fisted, you'll likely find the bug has bitten and an addiction has been born! I'm working my way through all my stock, and the quality of my work improves with experience. The techniques shown here and by experts such as Tim Shackleton have inspired me. As a result my stock is a reflection of my "skill" and not simply a straight out of the box clone.
Something that may be of interest . The names of these different types of wagons , goes back to a time before the telephone . They were a code used by the Railway using internal telegraph system to order what wagons were required , from one yard to another.
Oh my, haven't we been spoilt today, two doses of Richard, haha. Awesome work as always, especially in the heatwave. Great breakdown on how to weather, if I were modelling, even with my spazzy hands (yes I have Cerebral Palsy before someone cries) I'd feel like I could give it a crack. Take it easy in this heat and I'll look forward to the next instalment sometime in the future.
Mark not sure if it would help you at all, but I have hand tremors.
I actually use 2 G clamps (You know the kind of things you hold 2 bits of wood together with) and rest my wrist between the 2 shafts when I'm modelling stuff and the tremors are present. Helps me a lot.
Superb video as always , love your new layout .
Also just finished the Dean Park interview and saw this up. Great work, but you already know that. :D Always a pleasure to watch your work.
Looks amazing Richard.
Great work Richard.
That opening shot was majestic! Loved it. The 40 looked right at home on your layout. Its currently allocated to Dean Park TMD. haha. Great video and ONE DAY I will try weather my wagons. Not brave enough yet. Thanks for the Dean Park inclusion. Had a great day and you were the perfect host. Great to spend time with a real modeller and to pick your brain (your 27 year old Brain, not the 55 year old one). Did these seacows come to my part of the world? Dave
Was about to say I didn't recall him having a whistler... watching your video next.
Cheers Dave. I'm sure seacows did run in scotland. However you'd more likely see dogfish & sealions mixed together behind a 26. Heljan did the dogfish and hornby have done the sealion. I'm not aware of any current production run however.
@@EverardJunction Ah, cheers. I will note it down and keep and eye out. ;-)
David larkins wagon books are invaluable in this regard, as is Paul Bartlett's photo website.
Sealion, seacow were a development of the southern railway walrus wagons, and they also had the larger whale wagons. Very much associated with the southern railway and region, but in later years they did travel.
However, catfish, dogfish and such were likely to be more common on other regions with shark ballast vans (not permitted on the southern due to the 3rd rail).
Thanks for sharing! I might try some of these techniques as yours have came out really well!
Thanks, not bad for a first go on these. Only tried this once before!
Yeah it’s often a case of just having the confidence to try something new and different in this hobby, I’d never have guessed this was your first go on these though ahaa!
Wanted to congratulate you on the recent Dean Park visits Everard Junction and New Junction visits Everard Junction videos. I enjoyed hearing how you picked your prototypical era, and the Everard Junction name. Also your poise entertaining multiple questions and clarity regarding your own goals for modeling. Cheers! : )
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the vids. As always I have more in the works. Cheers
Crackng video thanks richard, was looking for best way to create rush spots on a few NCB Trout wagons great help :-)
I will have a go at weathering using your powder and water mix. The results are great and looks easy to do. I have a feeling Dave will soon be trying out some of your methods after seeing them in real. The visit session looked great fun to do Enjoyed the extra footage shown here. As I mentioned to Dave you may be able to make a trip up there and visit the Glasgow show at the same time. I am sure you would enjoy that as much as Dave did visiting you. Thanks for 2 great uploads from you both.
Loved seeing the King Class going round your layout on the Warley club video. Would be great to see some more “visiting steam engines” going round your amazing layout. 👍😇
Thats brought back memories of using them when i was on the P-Way
I worked on the railway all my life . We had an incident with a wagon , very similar to this . Which could have been very nasty . It was in the middle of the winter and the P-Way were relaying . After the new track went in, ballast had to be dropped on top using wagons very much like this . The doors were opened to drop , but nothing happened . Before anyone could stop him a new starter who had not been on the job very long got under a wagon and started poking up with a crowbar ! The boss grabbed him and pulled him out . He could have been killed . What had happened . There had been heavy rain, that had froze the stone together . If it had all come out at a rush , he could very well have been buried under it all !
Fantastic! I get to see Everard Junction twice today. Once on Dean Park and again on your own channel.
Very nice job on the weathering not too much and way more convincing than that factory beige spray.
As for Dave at Dean Park, don't be scared of weathering, even I can do it, not as good as Richard but still better than shiny plastic.
And I don't even have a layout, just a "Test track" with some scenic test patches, however, plans are afoot.
Great look
Nice one Richard 👍
Well done Richard.
Don't worry Dave, I have over 140 class 47/57s , I also have the entire class 57 freightliner fleet too. 😉
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Cracking stuff DP then 5 mins later this pops up! Whippee 😁
"used up a lot of cotton bud and a fair bit of IPA" had me imagining you scrubbing the wagons while knocking back the Greene King.
I've got some cream cleaner for glasses that I got from the Doncaster show. Cleans the clear plastic up a treat.
I think your weathering looks much better than the factory style.
Far more realistic.
Thanks
Great video! Having seen a few Seacows at Eastleigh back in 2016 in a very heavily corroded condition, its amazing to see the effect you've created and the simplicity of it. I experimented and have been using MiG rust paints on my modern image Freightliner aggregate hoppers but I'll definitely have a go with your method Richard. Really good progress on the layout, the level of detail and prototypical accuracy are inspirational!
- Jordan
Thanks Jordan. In later years the poor old seacows really did get into a terrible state. You could paint a whole wagon with rust and still be accurate!
@@EverardJunction I might have a photo somewhere but i'll be sure to try and recreate part of that rake. Two seacows, a very mossy TTA tank, warflat and Sea Urchins. I believe BR ran the Sea urchins with turbots on ballast duties - would compliment your Seacows well!
seacows look good running round your layout
Hi richard
Firstly I want to say a big thank for your videos as it has given me the inspiration and motivation to get back into the hobby and to be better than my last layout like you have learnt from ej version 1 to version 2.
Hope one day we can meet and maybe we might meet at warley this year.
Again a big thank you.
Peter from birmingham
Thanks Peter. I'll be at Warley this year, probably on the Sunday.
I'll be there on both days as I only live literally down the road from the nec.
Many thanks for getting back to me.
Peter from birmingham
Good video
Some of the stills are jltrt.
What about half a ton of ballast in one end of an empty that’s not quite empty. And a few stones caaught on the platforms. When we were shoving a train of these back into 3 bridges yard and we’d stopped in the platform before we’d got the dummy for the yard, a Japanese tourist stepped onto the train. Not a surfer, he obviously thought it was the stopper to Vic.
They’d jump in a bloody wheelbarrow, if you pushed one past ‘ em. Was a popular saying
Yayyyyy, another EJ video!
My thoughts exactly lol. And I even get a feature in it. lol. Dave
I thought I'd point out, there are wheel masks in HO Scale that lock onto the outter ridge so the front of the wheel can be painted or weathered more easily. I use them all the time for my HO Scale wheels
Wooo. Was having everard junction withdrawals.
I thought the Civil Engineers or Dutch livery was introduced in 1987, perfect for your 1989 layout.
The Civil Engineers or "Dutch" livery was introduced in 1987 and lasted until 1994. ..... If your layout is set in the late '80's, this livery would have been fairly new !! ...... Well done for not over doing it with heavy weathering, although your narration is not quite correct, as this colour scheme isn't 10 years old. .... A fantastic layout, and keep up the good work.
I can agree with Andy, having gone to O gauge, with my class 33 of which i spent many many many hours getting it how i want, I am never going back to OO, so Richard and Dave, don't go anywhere near the new Heljan O gauge 47's when they come out. EJ3 would be huge
Excellent video Richard. The techniques, hints and tips were very helpful.
Do you keep the the wagon numbers all the same when you weather your wagons, or is the rake of wagons all the same wagon number?
Regards,
Jim
You need to add something to the water to break the surface tension otherwise it does what you are finding it is doing.
Alternatively you might want to look at Games Workshops line of washes (called Shade paints now)
They do all kinds of colours, some of the effects we can make are really quite amazing with little effort
Nice work Richard - will you be fitting Kadees or can this not be done on these bogies? Barry@Yarslow
Excellent video Richard and liked the technique for putting rust on with a sponge , as a newbie weathering always seems a bit of a dark art. But looking at the video I think I will give it a go. QUESTION PLEASE. I have just put my baseboards up and you mentioned that EJ1 had issues with boards warping , what caused this. My layout is in the garage and has Ply tops , I intend to varnish them . Is this correct or would you suggest something else. - Cheers Kev
Nice and simple touch of weathering there Richard. I've got a few more in dutch ready to weather up in a lighter job than my current 4 that are beaten up.
Have hornby still got the permanently fixed coupling on those new ones?
Heljan dogfish and Dapol turbot wagons are a nice additions. The dogfish were common to run with seacows / sealoin wagons.
Thumbs up
Thanks Tim. They do indeed still have the fixed coupling similar to the hst power cars. I'm going to have a go at adding a nem pocket to one of them at some point. Thinking of getting some dogfish wagons to go with them. I've nearly bought some several times over the past few years. Still don't have any! Cheers
@@EverardJunction shame they've kept the same coupling. Was thinking of having one bachmann version just for the socket to fit Kaydees.
A nicely put-together video Richard, very interesting. You mentioned about weathering powders not always sticking to dry, bare plastic, something I have experienced myself. Did you dampen the insides of the wagons? The powders seemed to adhere very nicely to these surfaces.
All the Best,
Dougie.
I did indeed dampen the inside of the wagons before applying the powders. I tried without off camera and it didn't work very well hence my comment about them not sticking, cheers.
I'm imaging you doing a super realistic derailed locomotive/train.
Great video Richard They look great I would never have the skill to do that
Same here - I would have to keep factory paint for fear of spoiling something
Great watching you work, you make it look so easy. Weathering is something I shall do a bit later down my modelling timeline, but i just know you and Gary at Cheekytek are going to be inspiring me. Great video, thanks for that, would love to have you as a subscriber to my little channel!! All the best, cheers Chris
Another fantastic weathering video. The IPA you use, is that the same stuff double glazing companies use to wipe down upvc after installation? If that's the case I'm sorted...
Excellent video as ever. But please clean those cab windows. The driver would kick the secondmans arse for that lol. Oh and the lamp brackets.
33045 had black lamp irons for a few years so they are correct. The windows wont clean as its clear plastic and most solvents cause them to fog up which makes them look even worse. Better to just leave the over spray as it is.
Hi Richard Another great video.
How is the Mk 1 Ford Granada restoration coming along? Have you got any more videos of you progress?
My everyday car is a nineteen year old Ford Mondeo
I should of waited. As always you covered the differences well. When your weathering why do you do all of them.... I have often seen almost brand new Loco and wagon in the middle of older stock..... I see that you try to weather differently but what about leaving one to look new just detailed. You do that so well.
Lovely work
Just one question.. Are some of the carriages squeaking?
One in particular has a very squeaky axle that needs oiling.
Great video Richard , inspired me to weather some of my wagons and finally get an airbrush . Which airbrush do you use ? Is it ok for a novice ? Cheers appreciated
I use an iwata HP-CS airbrush. Have had it 10 years and never had a problem with it. Very easy to use provided you keep it clean.
Thanks Richard will take a look
Superb layout and the tutorial was great what’s the best airbrush to get would you say?
I use an iwata HP-CS airbrush. Have had it 10 years and never had a problem with it, very happy with it.
What strength isopropyl alcohol do you use to clean your wagons with?
Wishing I had a fleet of 47's.
Good Evening - I noticed that the rust powder was a mig product but what brand were the white and black powder used for the inside of the wagon
Could I use ballast as a load and not lay any atoll and put them in any wagons because I'm starting my new model railway
Does IPA work for removing name plates of the newer tooled hornby locos?
The new cotton buds are made out of paper is the risk of scratching the model lessened by that
I come home after watching the new horrible histories movie and see this video that i have been waiting for
two by two
hands of blue
two by two
Please can you get a Delorean to have somewhere in your display??
hi Richard another great video all ways entertaining
but as I was a ford registered technician how's the granada progressing
kind regards
ralph
Its going well. I've finished all the metalwork and am now in the process of painting it. Up to 772 man hours so far. Once its painted I'll start filming some videos for it. Cheers
Given all the photos I took of Sealions and Seacow in the 1980s those wagons are *FAR* too under weathered.
In all my pictures you can hardly see the data panels. The steps and rails around the ends are basically mucky rust coloured, with only the handles looking white-ish. You can make out that the tops are yellow/orange but it's almost a hint.
imthink rust usually ocurrs where people touched the steelmin manufacture..
so think hand prints..
2:56 "In the late '80s, when this colour scheme was only about 10 or so years old."
Really? I thought the "Dutch" scheme was only introduced around the time of sectorization, i.e., in the late '80s. Was it being used on wagons before then? I have a fairly complete set of Platform 5 Motive Power Pocket Books from the mid '80s to early '90s, and the summer/autumn 1990 edition describes the "Dutch" scheme as "brand new" in a photo caption for a class 31 locomotive. I've annotated some class 31s in my copy of the 1989 edition as being painted in all-over grey. But I don't think any locomotives were painted in departmental grey before then.
Something you COULD do, is mark up the wagons as the loads examiner would have done on the T3's, scratching 'Half', 'Full', etc with a piece of ballast into the paint.
Just an extra piece of realism. Doesn't even matter if it doesn't match the load, because the scratched in note would still be there 20 years later!
It would seem like all the weathering to make that correct to thr time period you would also change the numbers
No, what he has done is more than good enough. Show some support instead of criticising.
Whats the weathering wash you used? Looks really easy to apply
5 - 10% black weathering powder with 90 - 95% water.
Did you not watch the video? 🤔
Thanks!
Is that Mr Bean's yellow Mini ?
I am about to watch this posting. If you use the word "Prototypical" I am going to scream!
Richard thanks. Just saw the Dave interview tonight. Youdiscussed modelling influences like Luke Towan. Here's one I highly recommend: ruclips.net/video/_uD6MD-GfCk/видео.html It is by sebb at Sebb's 1zu87 and he's great at weathering. Keyword:Alterung. German , but picture says it all. Thanks to Both.
I am REALLY surprised how low you layout is, why did you decide to have it that low??
The attic has a sloping roof on both sides. The higher I have the layout the smaller the layout has to be. I wanted the largest layout possible so it has to be low down.
@@EverardJunction Well that makes sense, I should have thought of that...