I’ve just started this series after watching you 7mm one. This is incredible content. No bs. I have learned sooo much. And the best part is I can keep watching it over and over and gain something new every time. I’m really new to re loading and I think I’m looking at mount stupid but haven’t started climbing yet. Maybe tomorrow lol. Awesome content thank you so much
Yeah he did a lot of good for the reloading community. I'm sure he's fine. But for a guy like him, there is very little incentive to keep doing what he was doing. There's no money in it. It's all charity work.
Yeah, it's too bad. He had a much bigger channel than we do. But, even so, there's very little money in it, even if you show ads on your channel. We qualify to advertise on our videos but choose not to. It's so little money, it's not worth pissing you guys off.
I have a 22 Nosler gas gun. It’s my hands down favorite. Would love to get one in a ranch style rifle for hogs and coyotes while cruising the ranch. New sub. Well done!
Thanks man. We are excited by the potential of this cartridge. That's the whole reason we started this project. Untapped potential. Thanks for watching.
I have 24in shaw 1:8 twist bolt gun been shooting 8208 73gr eld and 4350 with the burger 80.5 getting great groups lot more options than a gas gun without pressure
Minnesota is a lot like Alaska Wasilla plenty of snow just had some fresh snowfall yesterday, and yesterday it was 40*. I got my whitetail deer Moorhead area in 2009, and my wife is from Longville, MN.
Small world Rudolph! I think the snow is going to hang around until early May this year. Not Ideal for field testing rifles and ammo. Thanks for watching.
Always thought the 22 Nosler would be an awesome round in a bolt gun. Those 22 RDF's seem to like 2950 - 3100 fps speed from some testing in a wildcat 22 DPC.
I'm going to try to get 200 rounds on the barrel before we crop it to 28". But, I will be testing this factory ammo again at 31" once it's warmer and has 200 rounds on it. I think this factory 85 will be really close to that 3,000fps mark. Thanks for watching, stay tuned, filming first shots at 640yds this coming week.
Very good video….always wondered how the 22 Nosler would be in a bolt action rifle. Did the brass hold up ok? Remember see the brass all torn up from AR-15 shooting and figured a bolt action would solve that.
Hey Mark, thanks for the feedback. Yes, you are correct, the brass is perfect. We will also be sharing brass longevity data. As to how many firings we get on the brass before the primer pocket gets loose. Naturally the velocity will increase as we go here, because this was the first 29 rounds on the barrel in colder weather. I'm guessing around the 200 round mark, we will see around 3,000fps in this 31" barrel @ normal Minnesota spring temps of 70 degrees plus or minus. We will keep posting progress videos, stay tuned. Thanks for watching.
A no bs video....just the kind I like. Heard of all the other nosler calibers but did not know of the 22. Would make a perfect coyote rifle. What part of Mn. do you call home? I am in central Mn. ( Wadena area).
Thanks for the positive feedback. It should be fantastic for Coyotes on down. Our shop is about 2 hours straight South of you in Spicer. Thanks for watching.
Hey Brady, there are a bunch of reasons. Our goals for this project were: Long range Factory ammo Balance between velocity and barrel life. Matching 80% of long range, big game, factory hunting ammo in terms of wind drift and hit probability. If raw speed in a 224 bore with a "no factory ammo" wildcat was our goal, we would just chamber a 22 Creedmoor and get 3600fps with an 80gr ELDM and be done with it. But that doesn't check ANY of the boxes we set out to check. The 22x47 sounds like a killer cartridge, but it doesn't check any of the boxes we set out to check for this concept. Thanks for watching.
Yep I kill whitetails with my bergara b14 hunter 22-250 every year. The longest shot is usually 252yrds. I shot a doe last year at that range, hit her in the left shoulder got ribs through the lungs and got ribs on exit side through meat I that shoulder and stopped half in and out of the hide. Turned lungs into liquid.
A .204 Ruger with a 40gr VMAX tops out around 3900fps. But the Ballistic Coefficient is very low. So at close range(sub 300yds), the 204 Ruger is spectacular. But at 500yds, the 204 Ruger is now going slower (1976fps) than this 22 Nosler (2052fps) and that difference drastically increases the farther you shoot. More importantly, at 500yds, the 204 has 28.55 inches of drift in a 10mph wind, the 22 Nosler only has 18.73 inches. That's over 50% more drift for the 204! If you have high wind variability, the Nosler will have 35% higher hit probability at 500yds on a Prairie Dog size target. Thanks for watching!
Hey Frank, we will be testing handloads at max allowable length for the current throating. We cut this chamber with a standard SAAMI Reamer. I measured where the throat is with an 80gr ELDM and hit Jam at 2.485" or so. I will probably back slightly off of that and load at 2.480 to 2.475". That is leaving 75 thou of magazine length on the table. But, if we can hit our velocity benchmarks with the factory throating, and the accuracy is there, we probably won't throat it out farther, just so we can load 2.550". At least not at this 31" length. But, I'm not saying no. I am saying probably not. When this transitions from "Test Rifle" to "Product", we will do whatever it takes to optimize fit, function, performance, accuracy, etc. We aren't willing to sacrifice one of those, to make another slightly better. If that means that all rifles will need to be throated out to optimize everything, then we will probably be ordering a proprietary reamer that checks all the boxes we want checked. Thanks for watching.
@lilcrowgunworx excellent I'm just happy to see any testing with coal over 2.3" I have a 223 barrel with a long throat 85.5gr touch at 2.67", 88gr touch at 2.50", and the 75-77gr bthp touch at 2.475" is Nosler still the only source for brass?
@@cfranklin7450 Very cool. I do as well. When I mentioned my rifle in this video that shoots an 80gr ELDM @ 3,000fps; I was referring to a Vanilla 223 Rem throated long and loaded at .020 Jump or 2.490" COAL in a 30" barrel that is 1.00" at the muzzle. Unfortunately yes, Nosler is the only source. I don't think there is anything wrong with Nosler brass, but that is the universal story of Nosler Cartridges. If the cartridge name has Nosler in it, nobody touches it. I think ADG and maybe one other company have made brass for the 28 Nosler. But other than that, nobody wants anything to do with it. If you forced me to give an opinion why, I would say because most of the Nosler cartridges are viewed by the industry as "barrel burners"; most cartridges with that reputation, usually remain "fringe/cult" cartridges for the entirety of their existence. Personally I think Gun Writers have killed more good cartridges than anything else. We will keep you all posted on the brass life of these Nosler cases and at the end, recommend how many pieces of brass to marry to a given barrel. So the barrel and brass are toast at the same round count.
I agree Barry, this is factory ammo, but in my experience from the way the groups look and the way the primers look, the load needs to come down some with whatever powder they used. It appears to be too hot and "coming apart". Thanks for watching.
Correct. We had to mill out the barrel channel of course, to accommodate the truck axle. It's pretty solid. I like the nice wide, flat fore-end. They make it easier to shoot small groups. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Lawrence, we are looking at a variety of stock and chassis options for the finished product. Hoping to have the finished model available for purchase by mid summer. Thanks for watching.
Typically for a heavy bullet like this, in this size case, N540 is probably optimal. Which is a little slower than BLC-2. But, we will be velocity testing a wide spectrum of the burn rate chart. From fastest to slowest: IMR4895, AA2520, Varget, CFE223, N540, maybe N550 and just for giggles, Superformance. Thanks for watching.
Great to see the 22 nosler getting some love.
Thanks for watching.
I've been .22 Nosler for the last 8 yrs with a 26" gas gun. Interesting series. will be watching.
Very cool, we appreciate the support.
Thanks for watching.
I’ve just started this series after watching you 7mm one. This is incredible content. No bs. I have learned sooo much. And the best part is I can keep watching it over and over and gain something new every time. I’m really new to re loading and I think I’m looking at mount stupid but haven’t started climbing yet. Maybe tomorrow lol.
Awesome content thank you so much
Thank you for the feedback. I'm happy you found us!
I miss JRB... He's the reason many of us reload, I hope he's doing ok.
Yeah he did a lot of good for the reloading community.
I'm sure he's fine. But for a guy like him, there is very little incentive to keep doing what he was doing. There's no money in it. It's all charity work.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Yeah, I know he got burned out and lost interest. You could hear it in his voice over the last 6 to 12 months.
Yeah, it's too bad. He had a much bigger channel than we do. But, even so, there's very little money in it, even if you show ads on your channel.
We qualify to advertise on our videos but choose not to. It's so little money, it's not worth pissing you guys off.
I have a 22 Nosler gas gun. It’s my hands down favorite. Would love to get one in a ranch style rifle for hogs and coyotes while cruising the ranch. New sub. Well done!
Thanks man. We are excited by the potential of this cartridge. That's the whole reason we started this project. Untapped potential.
Thanks for watching.
I have 24in shaw 1:8 twist bolt gun been shooting 8208 73gr eld and 4350 with the burger 80.5 getting great groups lot more options than a gas gun without pressure
Thanks for watching John!
Honest video no BS keep them coming!
You hit the nail on the head Joe. That's all we're after. We present the raw data, you draw you're own conclusions.
Thanks for watching!
@@LittleCrowGunworks
I enjoy these type of videos
Basic testing and true results.
Thanks again!
@@joevollmer3037 probably filming the first test at long range next week!
Minnesota is a lot like Alaska Wasilla plenty of snow just had some fresh snowfall yesterday, and yesterday it was 40*. I got my whitetail deer Moorhead area in 2009, and my wife is from Longville, MN.
Small world Rudolph! I think the snow is going to hang around until early May this year. Not Ideal for field testing rifles and ammo.
Thanks for watching.
Excellent content mate you got a new subscriber cheers Yogi Australia 👍🤘🇦🇺
Welcome aboard Brett! Cheers!
Always thought the 22 Nosler would be an awesome round in a bolt gun. Those 22 RDF's seem to like 2950 - 3100 fps speed from some testing in a wildcat 22 DPC.
I'm going to try to get 200 rounds on the barrel before we crop it to 28". But, I will be testing this factory ammo again at 31" once it's warmer and has 200 rounds on it. I think this factory 85 will be really close to that 3,000fps mark.
Thanks for watching, stay tuned, filming first shots at 640yds this coming week.
Very good video….always wondered how the 22 Nosler would be in a bolt action rifle. Did the brass hold up ok? Remember see the brass all torn up from AR-15 shooting and figured a bolt action would solve that.
Hey Mark, thanks for the feedback. Yes, you are correct, the brass is perfect. We will also be sharing brass longevity data. As to how many firings we get on the brass before the primer pocket gets loose.
Naturally the velocity will increase as we go here, because this was the first 29 rounds on the barrel in colder weather. I'm guessing around the 200 round mark, we will see around 3,000fps in this 31" barrel @ normal Minnesota spring temps of 70 degrees plus or minus. We will keep posting progress videos, stay tuned.
Thanks for watching.
Man I love the look of this rifle…and big on velocity so kinda wantin one..
LOL, it's for sale!
Good stuff 👍
Thanks 👍
A no bs video....just the kind I like. Heard of all the other nosler calibers but did not know of the 22. Would make a perfect coyote rifle. What part of Mn. do you call home? I am in central Mn. ( Wadena area).
Thanks for the positive feedback. It should be fantastic for Coyotes on down. Our shop is about 2 hours straight South of you in Spicer.
Thanks for watching.
I like this channel. No BS 👍🏻
Thanks Mark. For better or worse, that's all you get.
Nice concept. Why not try the 22x47 lapua I'm pushing the 85.5gr berger at 3296 with 38gr or powder out of a 24inch barrel
Hey Brady, there are a bunch of reasons.
Our goals for this project were:
Long range Factory ammo
Balance between velocity and barrel life.
Matching 80% of long range, big game, factory hunting ammo in terms of wind drift and hit probability.
If raw speed in a 224 bore with a "no factory ammo" wildcat was our goal, we would just chamber a 22 Creedmoor and get 3600fps with an 80gr ELDM and be done with it.
But that doesn't check ANY of the boxes we set out to check.
The 22x47 sounds like a killer cartridge, but it doesn't check any of the boxes we set out to check for this concept.
Thanks for watching.
@@LittleCrowGunworks yes I see your point keep it up champion
Yep I kill whitetails with my bergara b14 hunter 22-250 every year. The longest shot is usually 252yrds. I shot a doe last year at that range, hit her in the left shoulder got ribs through the lungs and got ribs on exit side through meat I that shoulder and stopped half in and out of the hide. Turned lungs into liquid.
Use a good bullet, it will do the job. Thanks for watching!
The little. 204 ruger we have is a screamer I don't see that under 4100 but the lead is tiny grain to grain it is considerably smaller
A .204 Ruger with a 40gr VMAX tops out around 3900fps. But the Ballistic Coefficient is very low. So at close range(sub 300yds), the 204 Ruger is spectacular.
But at 500yds, the 204 Ruger is now going slower (1976fps) than this 22 Nosler (2052fps) and that difference drastically increases the farther you shoot.
More importantly, at 500yds, the 204 has 28.55 inches of drift in a 10mph wind, the 22 Nosler only has 18.73 inches. That's over 50% more drift for the 204! If you have high wind variability, the Nosler will have 35% higher hit probability at 500yds on a Prairie Dog size target.
Thanks for watching!
Are you going to test out 2.55" before cutting the barrel back to 28 inches?
Hey Frank, we will be testing handloads at max allowable length for the current throating. We cut this chamber with a standard SAAMI Reamer. I measured where the throat is with an 80gr ELDM and hit Jam at 2.485" or so. I will probably back slightly off of that and load at 2.480 to 2.475". That is leaving 75 thou of magazine length on the table. But, if we can hit our velocity benchmarks with the factory throating, and the accuracy is there, we probably won't throat it out farther, just so we can load 2.550". At least not at this 31" length. But, I'm not saying no. I am saying probably not.
When this transitions from "Test Rifle" to "Product", we will do whatever it takes to optimize fit, function, performance, accuracy, etc. We aren't willing to sacrifice one of those, to make another slightly better. If that means that all rifles will need to be throated out to optimize everything, then we will probably be ordering a proprietary reamer that checks all the boxes we want checked.
Thanks for watching.
@lilcrowgunworx excellent I'm just happy to see any testing with coal over 2.3" I have a 223 barrel with a long throat 85.5gr touch at 2.67", 88gr touch at 2.50", and the 75-77gr bthp touch at 2.475" is Nosler still the only source for brass?
@@cfranklin7450 Very cool. I do as well. When I mentioned my rifle in this video that shoots an 80gr ELDM @ 3,000fps; I was referring to a Vanilla 223 Rem throated long and loaded at .020 Jump or 2.490" COAL in a 30" barrel that is 1.00" at the muzzle.
Unfortunately yes, Nosler is the only source. I don't think there is anything wrong with Nosler brass, but that is the universal story of Nosler Cartridges. If the cartridge name has Nosler in it, nobody touches it. I think ADG and maybe one other company have made brass for the 28 Nosler. But other than that, nobody wants anything to do with it.
If you forced me to give an opinion why, I would say because most of the Nosler cartridges are viewed by the industry as "barrel burners"; most cartridges with that reputation, usually remain "fringe/cult" cartridges for the entirety of their existence. Personally I think Gun Writers have killed more good cartridges than anything else.
We will keep you all posted on the brass life of these Nosler cases and at the end, recommend how many pieces of brass to marry to a given barrel. So the barrel and brass are toast at the same round count.
Powder charge needs to be adjusted to bring group together… might have to try another powder
I agree Barry, this is factory ammo, but in my experience from the way the groups look and the way the primers look, the load needs to come down some with whatever powder they used. It appears to be too hot and "coming apart".
Thanks for watching.
Cool stock is that a mc3
Correct. We had to mill out the barrel channel of course, to accommodate the truck axle. It's pretty solid. I like the nice wide, flat fore-end. They make it easier to shoot small groups.
Thanks for watching.
👍 Thanks
No problem 👍
Like that rifle would really like to have it in a chassis
Thanks Lawrence, we are looking at a variety of stock and chassis options for the finished product. Hoping to have the finished model available for purchase by mid summer.
Thanks for watching.
@@LittleCrowGunworks just let me know
What rifle stock is that?
MC3 Legend
Would this do ok out to 1000 yards
You're going to find out during this series. Once the snow is gone, we will be shooting this test rifle to 1,000yds.
Stay tuned, thanks for watching.
I wonder if H 335 and/or BLC-2 powder may be good for higher velocity results in the long barrel?
Typically for a heavy bullet like this, in this size case, N540 is probably optimal. Which is a little slower than BLC-2.
But, we will be velocity testing a wide spectrum of the burn rate chart.
From fastest to slowest: IMR4895, AA2520, Varget, CFE223, N540, maybe N550 and just for giggles, Superformance.
Thanks for watching.