To The Point: India Will Still Be Poorest Economy In 2025, Says TN Ninan
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Appearing on India Today Television's show To The Point, hosted by Karan Thapar, TN Ninan expressed his views about the current economic situation in India.
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This aged like a fine wine. Man predicted India's future most accurately.
I am a US citizen of Indian origin .. have business/ investments in China, Vietnam, India and Singapore. Only my Indian business has not grown .. I invested in real estate like a fool in India .. the building took 16 years to be operational. In 16 years, China and Vietnam have built entire top tier cities and provinces!!!
China and Vietnam have given us 25~27% growth almost every year except the last 2 due to Covid.
India is now behaving like a rabid barking dog .. any criticism is taken as anti Modi or anti national. Fools are so delusional, most believe they are already a “superpower”
I have never once heard a Chinese tell me once that they are “superpower”. That word never has been used by the hundreds of mainland people I deal with.
Indians: Shut your talk, get to work! Be humble, stop the social media Modi BJP IT cell superpower madness and quietly build your nation. Please brothers, let’s all use our resources to build a middle income nation. Learn from China, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia, UAE, Singapore.
I think you need water to drink 😂😂😂braking like a dog 😂
United States also likes to claim it is the only super power whatever. 😀😀😀
@@kphgg_840, bhakts need to do that
@@fettuccine794 lo aa gya namazi 🤣
@@kphgg_840 , ha bhaii jaise duniya mai to sirf 2 hi log bache hai.....ek namaz parne wala aur ek tere jaisa Gobar khaane wala...baki log to saab marr gaye hai
If you want something said, ask India.
If you want something done, ask China.
- Maitreya Bhakal
@@naiyayika this is not true my friend india was always very poor! Don't you know in dwapar yuga sudama was very poor and Dronacharya could not afford milk for his son ashwathama and in treta yuga Nishad raj was poor and shabri was poor! And read vedas there is always request in hymns from indra,agni to give cows and money!Read puranas and other indian holy books to know poverty was always present in india,there are many many stories about poverty!
@@naiyayika The richest region of India was Bengal. Dhaka was the richest city and it is not a part of India.
@@naiyayika India didn't exist back then, it was bunch of seperate kingdoms that were wealthy but not as strong to fight off Britishers
No one take CCP funded Twitter guy seriously. Lol. You are quoting him like he is some intellectual
@@Nishit_Alby_Alfredo Blame Modi. He only knows photo time, buy aircraft carrier, talk a lot.
For many years, India has always compared itself to China for everything. Now, the US is trying compare itself to China for everything too.
India compares itself to Pakistan, soon we all will be in bhikari desh.
@@AJ-qs8wn India is already buikati fresh. Look at your foreign debt. It is 5 times that of Pakistan. But India is a smart bhikari whereas Pakistan's debt position is known to everyone.
They both (U.S. and India) are confused about this because china is much ahead of both of them.
Pakistan(1960s) will comeback.
India is 30 years behind China
China is still poor 3rd world country just ahead of India. China is still atleast 20 years behind West.
Would you rather migrate to China or US/UK/Australia, etc ??
A single guandong province already has half of India's GDP
china writes false statements all the time.
What is the point for a nation to become a major economy when your people is still trapped in poverty? Don't know why India keep comparing itself to China??? If you are going to compare India & China then compare their rate of poverty eradication, because that is the only thing that counts for their people.
India cannot change unless Indians change from inside - discipline, cleanliness, respect for law and order, quality and work ethics (without intense policing or tips/bakshish), has to change. Especially in North / North-West India.
Plus, stop boasting talking on youtube. Stop India will be Bla, Bla, Bla.... talking is the first step to make a change.
中国制造 Made in China
We Indian already first in 2007! Superpower 2007
ALL (100%) the rich countries ( except oil countries) have one thing in common, they can produce goods and sell to other countries. This is the only way to make extra money and get rich. If you have eggs and sell the eggs in your village you make less money, sell the eggs in nearby town, make more money, sell the eggs in big cities, make even more money. For the same concept, a country needs to sell their products globally to make extra money and get rich. Before India can do this in a large scale India will still be a poor country.
We Indian already first in 1997! We have many toilets!
There is simply too much anti-China sentiments within India society today, before that can be reversed, I don't think China should help India building its infrastructure.
India has no money, so China need to lend India money to build its rail, if anything goes wrong (with Indian's work ethics, very likely), Indian people will definitely blame Chinese company, then most likely our company will lose money. So let Japanese do it, and see how they struggle with indian efficiency.
India should stop competing/comparing with China. India should normalise relations with its neighbors and take a lead role in South Asia, setting aside regional disputes & rivalries. The hearts of its neighbors look to India, while India is pushing all its neighbors towards China. India cannot blame its neighbors for going to China.
India and China fighting each other is a wet dream of the West. India may fall into this trap...
@@oceanwave4502
China is the aggressor. What are you suggesting? Let them take Ladakh n North East? That too wont meet their greed.
@@mohansinnapillay6925 Small minded comment. How does India expect to grow if it's bickering with everyone.
@@KenHuyn so if your wealthy bussiness partner decided to kill your beloved ones, fails to do that and still you should keep working with him.
I totally agreed , I am so tired of seeing people keep comparing these two countries , they both unique individuals and should learn from their mistakes and focus on their strength, one thing I want to see is for India and china to put aside their misunderstanding and differences and hatred and collaborate and work closer together afterall they are closed neighbors. I am a japanese and I have Tavel, study and live in both china and India for the last 18 years and I have greta great respect for these nations.
Still, in 2023, very sadly, several more bridges crumbled to dust in India.
1. In Mizoram, a railway bridge collapsed on August 23, 2023, resulting in the deaths of at least 26 laborers who were working on the site at the time.
2. In Bihar, a suspension bridge collapsed on June 5, 2023. This was the second such incident in Bihar since December.
3. In Gujarat, a newly constructed bridge over the Mindhola river collapsed, affecting around 15 villages. The bridge was under construction and its collapse are still being investigated.
4. Other notable incidents include collapses in Assam, Himachal Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir, Uttarakhand, and another incident in Bihar, among others.
Seeing this in 2021, 5 years later and still nothing has changed, leaves me with no hope for India.
hahah india has been talking like this for 40 years....no progress. it will NEVER develop.
Even after 2022
MANY END!A HAS B!G M0UTH!!!
END!A PR0DUCT FAKES AND PR0PAG4NDA CLA!MS T0WARDS CH!NA!!!
END!A REALLY L!FE IN DREAMS!!!
There are many countries giving citizenship.. explore & escape.
Its still 2023 bro, are you from future ?
Forget China, why can't we do better economics than Bangladesh, which is equally filled with religious sentiments and religious fundamentalists
@wow Yeah like we were way better before
Bro religious extremism is declined to very large extent as compared to 1970s in Bangladesh,their leader Sheikh Hasina is progressive and smart woman unlike Indian politicians who are smart only in their social media.
Who said their economy is better than Bangladesh? You are delusional. Don't tell me the fake news of per Capita GDP. Do some research.
Bangladesh still values intellectuals unlike India. All the Indian intellectuals have long abandoned the country as a result.
@@GorditoCrunch343 Oh yeah, all of them right?
The only thing that India can be proud of or bragged about is that the world largest democracy But this system will shackles them till end of time
@Peter Plum corona!! That's USA
India must discard democracy but where to find the Indian benevolent autocrat?
*world largest democratic mess.
@@cheramanirumborai7181 You can't. The world is still largely dominated by the west that pumps out propaganda to prop up liberal democracy that serves their elites. India adopts this and produced some of the richest billionaires in the world while the country is still largely in poverty. Now that the elite is in control then its too late for any change. The elite in India has allied themselves with the transatlantic elites. The populace in India is far too diverse and brainwashed for permanent acceptance of liberal democracy, therefore there will be no people's revolution like China. It is likely that India will just sputters along like the interviewee said. A lumbering giant tortoise with a great sense a security due to his shell, but it is also the shell that makes it slow. There is also another possibility, and that is the fragmentation of the country, but this is less likely for the moment barring anymore shock to the society such as further waves of covids or other natural disasters.
If you think India is a democracy..... 🤷🏽♂️
It is hard to find logical interviews these days.Well good.
Unless the NATION WANTS TO KNOW gets banned and then our boomers mind will fixed
@@bryan77 why?
800 millions India still relied government handouts for food, definitely the world number 1
another 50 years india will not have clean water for all indians (hindus as well )
Which is hugely problematic if a country want to advance to a first world level. Basic human needs like sanitation, sewer system must also be addressed.
@@corazoncubano5372 The refugee exodus from India will be catastrophic to the global economy as well. Not nearly enough resources left in the world to feed millions of starving Indians.
@@corazoncubano5372 No countries can advance to a "First World level". You probably mean a _developed_ level.
Oh my god his predictions are coming true
Ban farmers and idiots from voting
@@hansvon2415 yeah so the rural and urban gap widens so you get a red revolution lol
Pace of growth is slow. Power is centralized in china not in india.obviously were going to be poor cos of too much freedom.less fear
By 2022
It was well recognized that India was slowing down even before Covid pandemic. But with this pandemic, Modi mishandled 2 times! The damages are unthinkable.
This is on of the best interviews about our country's development today. Unless politicians show the will for change, the country will have a large number of poor people with crumbling infrastructure as it is today!
most realistic discussion on Indian economy till date !
jayant bhandari.
Not really it's biased
The main problem with democratic countries is the leaders focus on how to earn votes, so talks n build strategies based on sentiments of voters not on facts n science.
Fact says India will benefit greatly if partnered with China, but voters sentiments is opposite.
voters sentiments are manipulated ..
these are the same guys who shouted "hindi chini bhai bhai"
India to partner with China, you just can't, Mr has been visiting China more than any Leader I can remember coming back with Zero Sum, in summer time.
I agree with you. Collaboration helps both countries. The current situation is terrible.
Problem is, if voters' demands are fulfilled by their winning party, who will attend their rallies in the next 4 years? If their Problem A is solved, they may not turn up with problems during next election.
The bright, young, Indian should not waste time in India.
Brain drain is better than brain in the drain.
It has been 5 years..n he is still right ..we need bold politicians
Lmao that bold level just keeps getting bigger for you guys
to be frank as indian citizens we are still not ready for large scale reforms, look how sad people are about air india's sale.
Haha bold politician. There way is been blocked @ singhu border
If India is realistic, they must realise that comparing to China had changed for quite sometime. The Indian minds still thought they are still in the medieval period where the Indian monks journeyed to China to spread bhuddism and spread Indian influence. China had progressed tremendously but the Indians are still stuck in the past.
You're totally wrong. Firstly, the place where Shakyamuni was born is Nepal not India, and few people believe in Buddhism in India. Secondly, I pretty much agree to the scholar that India is too big and divisive to administer. More importantly, India is maybe the last country where their people are still in a dream of old colonization or imperialisms in 21st. India had swallowed up Sikkim, and has been trying to control Burma which would not surprise me if one day Burma becomes a state of India. Also, India has been trying to control Nepal, stations troop at Mauritius and Maldives. Right now India is even seeking to claim the Tibet territory from China. This is really crazy! What's wrong with this country!
@@bgblight 🙄🤔 that civilization one was right but rest😂😆 puke somewhere else
As long as there are vote banks based on cast, religion and ethnicity there will be no real growth in India. they need to stop all the reservation quotas and discrimination based on internal divisions.
A general candidate getting 170out of 200 not selected whereas sc getting 95 selected...sad but true...
Totally agreed. India must get rid of these DNA and progress from there.
Yeah but it'll.never change for 20 years.but it'll always remain poor until then
Become we r so tolerant well still remain very poor only.
I also want reservation to go away.But then , India needs a social revolution first that destroys caste system. The law has to become so strong that deep in villages and interiors, Brahmins and Thakurs should be jailed for saying bad words, beating up, lynching, molesting, raping Dalits. When that day comes , reservation must end.And you know this is impossible because who will enforce this law?The police ,judiciary , politicians themselves love the caste system.
Indian democracy is the deficit rather than the advantage. Democracy is the last one British implanted in India to make sure that Indian struggle for the next 100 years. Indian media is wrong about democracy. They talk like democracy will bring the wonderful life to them. in reality, that is causing failure in Indian political system.
Wall Street journal India Special report
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it depends on societies how rational they imagine but nehru-gandhi congress has made masses of this country as bigots and didn't allow them to have their thought process more dynamic.
even if we take example of xeng diaoping's china,millions were abducted on human rights ground and hardly they invented anything in first 20 years of their socio-capitalist model of reforms.
Indian states were ruled by Rajas and Mahararajas for centuries. How can it become Democratic.
Even today one Raja is slowly cornering power to control the Country.Within a short period, our Country will become like Syria.
India has the largest Railway network of the world and also largest railway accidents in the Country.
GOD SAVE INDIA
Kumar, you see the result. China has grown 5 times more than India during the last 50 years after they started at the almost same level. Now, China is eradicating poverty while India is increasing poverty to 35% to soon 40% of population. This is the result of the fact that India copied Western corrupted democracy and China invented the new political system. India did to copy two important China invented, toilet paper - majority of Indian still open defecate and use fingers to clean the butt, and chopstick, majority of Indian still use finger to eat food. Both are the indicated that India is not civilized yet.
u do not get what i meant in my earlier comment..........
1.poverty is rising in india,how's that? let me clarify FYI.......our gdp is at all time high & stands at 5th in terms of dollar size & 3rd in terms of taking all exchange rates.if u would compare with figures of 1991,then u will be able to come out of ur baseless assumption.
2.china is at no.1 in having forex reserve & india is at no.5.is that define how data for poverty is accounted? we got most fdi's in last 4 years & is at par or above china in terms of growth rate.
3.our indigenous manufacturing sector has seen a tremendous surge in last 3 years due to which fiscal defecit due to imports fall like led bulbs,solar panels,electronic microchips are few examples(yes we are behind china,given the size of economy,they have but it doesn't mean we r on a different bus onboard).
4.now,i am gonna explain why democracy is our need at the moment.if china would have diverse culture as alike as ours,china would have crumbled in communist autocratic regime.
imagine 150 languages,2200 dialects,7+ religion,ethnic diversity but under one umbrella pushing forward to regain what was once ours.
if eating with hands is a symbol of uncivilised culture,then britishers would have remained colonial masters & we couldn't have surpassed them by now in terms of economy,power,our space program,military expenditure.also i would like to add here,the rich variety of dishes we make here can't be handled by something as small as spoon,fork or any chop-sticks.(one definitely needs a special brain to eat a naan or chapati with fork or chop-stick)
p.s-------RIP
India will be same after 20 years because I was in India 1965 now 2021 same politicians are the problem. Corruption
💯 percent correct
That’s why US and allies love India so much.
"... now 2021 same politicians are the problem. Corruption"
Are the ruling party and their economic policy the same then and now?
Or perhaps you mean the problem of economic growth would go away if magically the politicians would give up "corruption" next?
I am not sure that a "corruption"-explanation could account for the lack of economic growth. Remember the huge complains of corruption in China (in the western press in particular) while China kept growing hugely in the nineties onward?
Title is misleading ,He is optimistic and he says poverty is coming down but still there will be poverty in 2025
+adithya shankar Exactly. He was rather optimistic on India's prospects. The sheer momentum and size will take India places even if the governments do the bare minimum. Yes, we may never match China's 15% growth-rates, but that's OK. We have a very active civil society and, and one has to build consensus before pushing through reforms.
+trippinghard we need not match china's rates. They were in the range of 12 and 13. All we need to do is for the time is to just maintain the 15 years gap we have. China today is a 10 trillion economy. We should aim to get there by 2030 and don't worry where the Chinese will be by then. The wealth will somehow trickle down to the poorer sections. But the middle class we will be producing will be bigger than the whole of Europe and nearly equivalent to 50% of todays united states. And that will set the giant wheel to roll again...
come on guys please keep your intellectual stupidity for the other day
Jo Pradhan mantri khud dookhi ho wah doosre ko kya sukh dega?
+Ri ju In which world are you living? China prohibits Christianity &Islam! No madarassa and no Sunday class church -if that happened here in India -India would have boomed like China but unfortunately even evil cults are part of civil rights .
I dont know much about India and I dont claim to be a historian expert. Forgive me if Im wrong, but i think its been decades since India been doing the same thing over and over again, partnering with western countries, etc. Look at how Africa and South East Asia are starting to prosper... why not be friends with your neighbor China and partner up. Work together for the better of Asia continent and Asians everywhere. Just my 2 cents... cause it saddens me to see how Asians are being torn apart like this and hating on each other. We make up to 65-70% population of the world. If we just work together, tolerate and understand one another im pretty sure Asia will prosper more and perhaps become the strongest contient.
The sentiment of good neighboring relations were not reflected by the Chinese side at all. If you look at the border history, not once has India done the first move to provoke the other side. The Chinese, despite having so much landmass available, always seem to want some more. They claim Arunachal where our brothers and sisters are proudly living as Indians. They keep taking more territory and then announce that to be the new status quo. You can't have good trade relations when someone is always threatening you. And to drive home the point of Chinese aggression, why is it that it has conflicts with Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Singapore, Brunei, Nepal, Bhutan, Laos, Mongolia, Myanmar and Tibet. So it really is clear who the cause of the hostilities is.
@@enlightened6958 you are one of the reasons to India's many problems 😏
@@brendakayyy dude I want the trade and relationships to improve and grow. I'm not hating on Chinese people at all, I'm just pointing out what CCP is doing that's detrimental to relations between India and China. If you seriously think that CCP isn't wrong here, you need to explain how that is.
Also, me commenting on a random RUclips video has no effect on literally anything, so I don't see how I'm the cause of any problems.
@@enlightened6958 ahhh i see. Sorry to hear that it played out that way. Im Asian American. And over here, its like we are all considered as Asian. So its like Asians vs blacks vs browns vs whites. It sucks, but thats kinda how it works. So i wish India and China can get along and work together instead of being divided like this. When they do work together, i think all Asians around the world will benefit from it.
@@ext8023 most definitely agree with this. Imagine if somehow India, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka agree to have relations as close as EU members have. That'll be more than enough to shift the power center from West to East.
These kind of people are best mind of india who will say what is the best for their country. Not like corrupt politician or third class journalist who bragging about their marginal GDP growth of india. I like this interview because the Journalist actually read the author book and pinpoint his concern, argument ended the conversation brilliantly. This interview deserved International attention. Only few interview and Shashi Tharoor discussion are like these quality.
AFTER 10 YEARS OF HIS INTERVIEW, EVERYTHING HE SAID IS RIGHT..
India would always be a developing nation with 3-5% of growth for rest of our lifetime. This growth would also come by using technologies developed by the western countries and startups in IT. Meanwhile the world would also grow at a similar pace and we would be in the same position relatively
Bro we are growing with 7 to 8% from last few years and it's fastest growing economy
India seems to take the worst of the western colonizer’s practices
PM Modi spent only 2% of GDP on HEALTH in past 7 years....while Delhi CM Arvind Kejriwal spent 53% of State GDP on EDUCATION, HEALTH and TRANSPORT.... Education and health are chief defence of any nation.
@Ramesh NagmotiDefinitely in their own pocket!
modi is seen as a saving religious leader for the hindu nationalists so they culdnt care less about the economy for them 'religion' aka religious fanatanism is more important
Really amazing interview, covers quite a few of major problems India faces and the best thing is no "india superpower" fanaticism
West Media: Oh, thank God, that means we can keep insulting China by comapring them with India.
Karan Thapar wants to fight China like his father fought China in 1962 !!! Good luck India
Economically, Industrially, & technolically has a long way to go to catch up with highly advanced countries, like, Japan, China, USA & EURO zone. Main obstacle is for development is corruption that start from top to bottom. There is wide inequality in income level & standards of living. India have modern foreign made military hardware that can't elevate India as a Militarily powerful whereas China nearly achieved to equal level with USA economically, industrially & space technology as well.
it’s 2021 and he is right 😔
N I'm 100 more years will still be the same 😁😁
Yep😑😑😑
He predicted for 2025. So let us see if India will still be as poor as he predicted when 2015 arrives. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Predictions 7 years ago, almost fulfilled.
India will be developing till the time there is human on 🌏 earth
which is very good. seriously
Lol
You meant human in Mars ?
Maybe at the year 2500 or 3000? At the time, Chinese would be everywhere in the universe...
🤡😂😂😂
Republic of India needs to be broken up into smaller countries. The wealth of the Republic of India is heavily diluted.
Almost 2025 India still dont have enough tiolets for it peoples, no cleans water to drink, and over half of India pulations still super poor blames on your leaders.
All this had happened under the famous 'dynasty' rule! Thank God the nation has woken up! Stop comparing with China who has already took off the blocks some time ago. India has to concentrate on her own strengths of innovation and self starts giving self employment! The large manufacturing setups will not beat China and in the age of robotics employment also will not be substantial!
China's GDP growth is 6.7%, but its growth rate in the industrial section is 15%, and growth rate in robot area is 50%, ...
The so-called India's advantage of large youth population is not there since we are entering the A.I. age
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@Aditya Sanjeev If you paid attention, you will see that these days the US is trying to block China's development plan on 5G, ...., long story short, 5G will dramatically change our life by way of robots ( from driverless car to CtoB)..., did not hear any voice from India regarding 5G.
@Aditya Sanjeev India is a threat to Chinese hegemony of Asia. As Ninan points out, China's influence is rapidly growing with India's neighbours by heavily investing in countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Afganistan. I agree with Ninan, for India to continue to grow, they need to establish better trade and links between it's neighbours, something they are not doing because they are too inward looking. India should have been the main player, especially in the sub continent, instead China is the main player.
Dynasty rule build India.
Cow 🐮🐮 gang is looting Indians and making them die in the road .
Tell one good thing ,you guys did ?
@@artinshar6974 after 2014, India has been investing 9% of it's GDP in infrastructure, while Congress was only investing 3%. China meanwhile has been investing 9% in infra since last 3 decades.
Under the current govt, Forex reserves, and FDI are at an all time high, the GST collection has crossed rs 1 lakh crores.
Indian economy is in a bad shape, and the current govt hasn't improved it that much, but the previous governments used idiotic socialist policies, instead of completely opening markets like a capitalist economy.
when you dont want to ur relatives family to develop. how will our country develop
Omg true that's the point
@@santoshsingh8102 lol what ? 😂😂😂
@@skyweddingsplanner8916 jealousy basically
Correct
Nov. 23, 2017
"Indian people are lazy"
Dalai Lama
@D M Wel at least we dont wipe our arses with paper and paste half the shit there
@@joem4785 you mean like everyone else ouside India?
What is holding India back, are the Indians lol
.To Bee or not to Bee?
India's 3 trillion Economy for 1.3 billion population. India is poor with just 2000 USD Per Capita Income. India should develop its industries and concentrate more on export oriented products or goods.
T. N. Ninan should advise Modi on his economic policies.
I get a sense that India is beyond help. It is a collection of all the bad practices of governance.
What concerns you? India is the still best even it is doomed
@@johnnyy1186 😂
@@johnnyy1186 East or West India is the Best. Please don't Q in front of my Embassy early in the morning.
@@johnnyy1186 😂😂😂 bruh, you still believe that shit?
Corruption of the body, the soul of the country AND it's people. Corruption of the hardware as well as the software of the machinery that runs our country. Not even GOD or Lord Shiva can help.
China is breathing down our necks all along our border, 4000 kilometres on. Don't hold your breath. Loot Chori Gas and Deception will all be challenged and the results will be before us sooner or later.
INDIAN POLITICIANS NEVER LEARN TILL COUNTRY IS ABOUT TO BREAKK LIKE WHAT PM PV RAO DID UNDER COMPULSION AND BANKRUPTCY.THEY SHOULD CHANGE LAWS AND MAKE IT FAVORABLE TO INVESTMENT.
Rare camaraderie between two journalist honchos for displaying such clear, cool and well articulated future Indian economy..
Give India another 50 years...with still be the same ! And some wanted to compare..with China ??? INDIA HV A HEAD START OF 50 YEARS ..CHINA DEVELOPMENT ONLY STARTED IN 1990 ! LOOK WHERE THEY ARE TODAY ! CHINA USE TO BE LIKE india...all talk ! DENG SAY NO MORE TALKING ! DO NOW ! XI JINPING ALSO THE SAME...NO MORE TALKING..TO NOW ! MEANWHILE india will talk and talk and talk !
nothing is going to change. nothing.
Loved the whole conversation. Very few have the patience and knowledge to understand.
i feel india will develop faster if it is broken into smaller independent countries each state should be an own country, this way it will develop much faster
That will be the future of India!
Well said, let the rotten ones be rotten and the prosper ones prosper, it's better than everybody sink into one ship.
Nope ! It will be like demonstration.
Another fraud
@Vizard more and that would be the failure of the central government for not preparing those states for a better future in terms of discipline, culture and education. Could add hygiene, religious mutual respect, moral values and so on.
Core problem is democracy
I am watching this in 2023 as India becomes is just months behind in becoming 4th largest economy. What people forget is the resilience of Indians and what a good Govt can do for its people. The biggest enemy of India are some Indians themselves.
4th largest with 1.4 billion is nothing
Truth or criticizing is not being enemy
Biggest enemy of India is people like u that boast and live in lies
@@harshitsup5756 biggest questn is what hve u done worthy as an indian? Any achievemnt you want to share with the ppl of internet/
@@nirupamroy3941 I have done enough and it's not related here we are talking about stats
A country with an average IQ of 75 to 80 cannot become a developed and industrialized nation like countries in western europe and North America. China is getting there, they have an average IQ of 105. You do not have to be a genius economist to realize that.
Hmmm. And the Indians with high Iq leave the country to work for bigger corporations in west. Further pushing the situation into hell
Karan is acting dumb. Tinnan is saying we'll only become more powerful with time but due to a large population,we'll still not be able to put the money in everyone's hand. i.e. - GDP per capita will be slow to catch up even if India's GDP will be in many trillions. But it will give us enough clout to get the world's attention.
Latest Indian 'development' is the Indian Vartiant+Black Fungus (now named DELTA , to minimize the embarrassment) + the river Ganga flowing with dead bodies of covid. TN Ninan was correct about India in 2025.
The BJP is a one man parry the Indian economy will be slowing down each year under Modi. prem
You are so prophetic.
Indian economy slows down coz of Covid. Not Modi!
@@cheramanirumborai7181 that too also bcoz of the great modiji, all most all the countries were affect due to corona first wave bcoz it is new to everyone moreover no medicine for this whereas india is the only country which most affected by second wave, this credit goes to our PM only.
@@cheramanirumborai7181 even before covid economic condition was very bad
After WWII, there existed a bond of sympathy and friendship between India and China, both victims of British Imperialism. Then came the uprising in Tibet in March 1959. Unclassified papers on this incident contain numerous references to a CIA covert operation in Tibet prior to March 1959 to instigate and arm an anti-communist uprising, in conjunction with Taiwan's Special Operations unit. Former Chinese Nationalists confirmed that Indian intelligence collaborated in this effort, which ended with India giving refuge to the Dalai Lama. These facts explained China's sudden change of attitude towards her long-trusted neighbour.
As an American ambassador in India once said, ' India may be 10 years behind in technology, they don't need 10 years to catch up '.
But even a 100 years will not stop them from chatting with each other endlessly. Good news for the Mobile industry.
Indians like to talk !
Soooooo........funny!
Very good interview with lot of information. Must buy this book
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Yes...... Sadly
the main thing is all the south east Asian nations have achieved equality for their people
and we the proud Hindus are still divided among the caste lines
until we shatter this cast system we are doomed and always be two steps below the surrounding nations
and well done modi ji that shows the world the we are in fact 4 steps below surrounding nations
Wow! I liked Karana's interview for the first time!
This is a very intelligent conversation, I have learned a great deal from both gentlemen.
I am sorry to say that majority of Indians today are not interested in economy at all. Even well studied persons including western educated have turned fundamentalists. BJP has managed to influence a sweeper on the road to a highly educated and rich. Fundamentalism is the only issue on people's mind at present, no food, no economy, nothing else at all. People are ready to die hungry but not ready to change their belief in political promises.
Absoluately to the point,
Jealousy & concoted, halftruth & one sided history played the main role in this
My god... what a good analysis
Unfortunately in India, politics and economy are opposite poles.
This kind of interview has become a niche skill from 2014.
Are today Chinese smarter than their ancestor? My asnwer is a definate yes.
Are today Chinese have more moral consciousness than their ancestor? My asnwer is also a definate yes.
For an average person in India with democracy and an average person in China with communism. You think average person actually love to talk about politic, involve with politic, and protest?
A very good sensible conversation, I think the problem in a Democracy country is that the leader only has 4 years to implement/change policy, etc, while China's" forward march " was plan 40 + years ago, and it stay within the plan with change leadership .. .. what can 4-8 years of any leader able achieve? especially with the opposition party/ Media at your heel daily ! ? I'm a Chinese Aussie and don't agree with some of the Chinese government policy at all, but I have to balance the GOOD and BAD, for one, with over 100s millions of my people been removed from poverty. that shows the government is working for their citizen, in which all government leaders should ...sadly in the WEST ( Democracy ) .. that's a huge question for their leaders to answer. ...
First time seeing economist prediction come out true
Nepal and India are American gulam countries but 99% Indian and Nepalese don't know this truth so they are very poor.
I wish India will get rid of caste system. All humanity should be equal. After all, all Indians are indian
what u expects from most corrupt country?
I don’t think Indians should lose hope, the truth is a united India is quite a recent concept, and with what will be the largest population in the near future as well as so many young talents in the country , I see no limit to its potential as a country. The real test is that if India is able to unite its diversity , lower inequality and unite under a common goal that isn’t conflict related, then I see no reason why it won’t be able to become a prosperous country.
Chinese-American here, with my own questionable takes.
Imo, India has to initiate a bunch of reforms. I'm not saying Democracy is bad - but it needs to be checked, otherwise it leads to populism, which isn't great at nation building. Systems have to be flexible - if it works, it works; if it doesn't, then change it. Before you go uprooting the political system (which granted, imo *does* encourage its own flaws), look around, and see what works. What's real. Democracy crumbles when the populace can't even agree with what reality they're living in.
Don't forget China (that's silly), but don't compare to the point of competing, either. India would need over a decade of composite average 15% growth just to match current China, GDP-wise. That's just math. 1.15^5 ~= 2, 1.15^10 ~=4, China's GDP is more than 4x India's right now. Instead of talking big about how India's going to totally overtake China soon, make it happen. Establish relations with other countries. If you aren't going to co-op with the neighbors, (Imo the smart thing, but also an understandably very tough pill to swallow) then I'd suggest Malaysia and Indonesia, Japan and Australia, maybe head over west to Saudi or Ethiopia, or through the Suez to the underside of Europe; India's geography is pretty good for maritime trade with Afro-Eurasia in general.
Sign deals, and crucially: bring in investment. Much of the people in China expected most of their best and brightest to leave and never look back - and that was largely true until somewhat recently. When China launched programs to bring in/bring back foreign talent, and the economy showed promise, international trade boomed. Cut away the red tape, and get people to invest. Build stuff. India has very little internal migration and fairly lackluster urbanization, so build rail. Subsidize it even, it's a *public* service.
Or I might just have read/listened to too many conflicting geopolitical analyses and what i said isn't smart or even sensible, but at least I think I'm being reasonable.
The government views people as vote banks rather than humans and citizens and bhakts view the present PM as a sovereign king rather than an accountable public servant.
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So basically our commitment to side with Russia in the cold war and consequently making all decisions according to socialist values have cost us dearly.
How do you explain having socialist values yet having one of the largest income disparity in the world, with billionaires living next to slums. You guys have literally practice neoliberalism capitalism (under the support of the West) and reached a late stage of capitalism where the ultra rich capitalist elites now control and decide for the government. Good luck of getting rid of this system. Some African countries have tried for decades to get rid of the massive wealth hold by their ex-colonial white masters and fix their massive income disparity. Leaders have been assassinated. Thousands of protesters were killed because of the absolute power the elites have. The elites thrive in a corrupt environment as everything can be brought to maintain their own personal wealth. The same thing happens here in India.
The funny thing is that those rich enough in India, move and invest in the West, not only causing a massive brain drain but also a huge foreign investment deficit. India has fallen into a system where their best individual leave India to fund and support the West. This could be labelled as a new form of colonialism, except this time it is the Indians themselves doing so voluntarily because they know the system that made them rich is the one that will prevent them from living a comfortable life in a developed environment where their businesses could flourish.
@@psychout3481 Socialism has never achieved reduction in wealth inequality. Chinese have the facade of socialism but they clearly have a capitalistic system.
What I was pointing to was the closed economy of India till 1991 which caused us great harm by suppressing competition and delivering costly but inefficient products to the domestic market. After liberalising economy in 1991, the economy grew relatively fast, but we were already too late in the game by then.
What you mentioned about brain drain is absolutely correct. Because the jobs in India for even very qualified STEM are mediocre at best, it is in the interest of students to go abroad to utilise their full potential. India having the size it does, needs to have its game strong in research, development and manufacturing - and right now it lacks in all of them. This has caused a circular disaster - lack of quality jobs forced good minds to leave, and thus loses possible entrepreneurs who can create new jobs
Just because India cannot compete on manufacturing doesn't mean it is automatically more "creative." Keep thinking this and India will never improve. LOL
He never said that or at least that was not his main implication. He said there are cases where Indian companies were able to compete with Chinese mass production by focusing on creativity.
💯 true, modi and bjp is the problem 💥🙏please left form pm
Can you guys at least control the population. If the country cant not be fixed very well, less people could suffer from it with less population.
this means that corrupt politicians will continue
Being a great economy isn’t about taking turns but about taking difficult decisions & actions
no word about corruption in public and private sector, monopoly of certain companies, discouraging new start ups, strict law enforcement particularly corporate and civil laws, scam in sharemarket and monopoly of resource allocation, these are the factors which hold back India development not democracy and labour laws Mr TN Ninan. If you want free market allow the market which is corruption free if you want china type economy do it with 100% thats why people vote for BJP, but you guys failed almost all of the objective and call problem with Indian people thats insane we need to throw useless economist like you then only this country will change
Nandha Kumar Corruption is not a big issue, it's bound to happen when India has so much poverty and inequality; naturally everyone would want to fill their pockets first. Secondly, a moral deficit and lack of internal consciences, again society is moving forward towards modernization and wealth creation certainly becomes extremely important which supercedes any morale or ethic, bound to happen. Want and desires are too strong to be suppressed. We always blame politicians but you know what bureaucrats are as much to blame as politicians. You've got the context I think.
Manny46 __ want and Desire in Indians are natural and this evils created inequality and rising crimes easy available technology actually not kind of Indians immediate to make give basics due to technological wrong decisions further Political terms conditions changing means no developments but disturbances among states which some advancing is our beliefs OK some dont have such advantages but disturbed society moving to other states do a damaging effects on whole Indian society What I feel creating differences in Indian ppl on different level and hoping to be a developed world is on fantasy Yes we are well educated lot producing but have no merits being intelligent When a dumb have power to hold society than
Listening to them in mid 2021, Mr. Nainan's analysis and Mr. Thapar's conclusion seem to remain as valid as they were more than five-and-a-half years ago.
Don't compare India with China as far as manufacturing is concerned India can never achieve success as China has done. I wish India can become manufacturing hub just like China but that will be wishful thinking for ages to come. I agree with Mr. Ninan that India should use innovation to compete with China. The main problem with India is the mental setup each and every individual in India has. Unless, Indian mindset is changed in drastic way towards objective-thinking mindset India can not make any progress and will remain Poorest Economy in the world.
nitish kumar and now getting stuck in the Gau Raksha era !
nitish kumar ... breaks my heart ❤️
But at least you didn’t ask me to go to Pakistan 😆
BWT... I am hoping you don’t hate the NRIs because they have left the country to better their lot !
nitish kumar ... and the brave keyboard warrior that you are, how much brainwashed are you ?
How much venom you have for Christians !
You are a racist!
Abhi EU countries me se kisi se job offer a gaya na To bhag ke jayega apne desh ko chor ke! I know your type very well!
Hypocrite !!!
nitish kumar meri chinta mat karo 😄 ... apni andhi Bhakti me vileen raho!
Tum se ho na payega beta!!!
Why do Indian like to compete with China? Why not the EU, JP, KR, US?
Indians just can't emulate Chinese cultures of hardworking , resilience n competence..Complete difference of environment n upbringing as well as different beliefs !
This predictions are turning out to be true .. in 2021 .. and don't see how India will compete with China .. 2025 still looking poor
Fascinating discussion!
Avoid dollar, concentrate on farmers, agriculture and msme, End caste politics. We are self sustain and successful.
Entire caste system along with the mentality it creates must be eliminated. Individual potential cannot be generationally limited if a country is to progress.
If India must be a developed country, share of agricultural workers in workforce and gdp must come down.
Note how much pleasure TN Ninan felt in thanking Karan.
It was equally the same that I felt enjoying their discussions, suggestions and opinions about the possibilities and chances, of could it be possible genetically for a tortoise to turn into a hare ?
Truly an enjoyable brain storming session of quality time. To the extent of wanting to watch it again.
Spot on Sir Karan. Tk u.
Nope! The tortoise WILL NOT turned into a hare BUT into a frog in a WELL ! Lol!
There will always be poor and rich, its just the level of measurement changes with time, The poor in Japan is still richer than average Indian lower middle class, The huge population can be only a asset of a country as an slave labor, yet a big drain on its resources. But a countries with small population but effective,educated, still rules the world India could be Largest economy on the Planet but it will still rank in poorest countries of the world. China is still is country of Poor's, despite its ranking to no 2 Economy on the planet.
Lol. China is country of the poor? You must be joking. Go n visit one if the cities of China. The urbanisation n modernisation of China is only an envy to others. While the Chinese was enjoying all the infractructures built by the CPC you are still wondering when ur Govt will start to plan for it with ur tax money. The Chinese has the most average income group in the world n they cud afford to travel the world, sent their Children's to international universities, bought ur assets in quantity, take over ur local businesses, eat in ur best restaurant and etc. You cant be missing all these facts. The vast difference between China n India are immensurable. It is so big gap. The Chinese has no qualm over India at all. India shud start to look into its governance. Perhaps, a structural change might start the ball rolling or else it might be the land forgotten in many years to come. The foreign entities cud not look up n respect India unless it starts to show its might. It will take a drastic constructive measures to overhaul the Indians socio economic.
I absolutely enjoy watching people talk nonsense in serious faces. 7:48 "we are able to do more creative stuff…" when will Indians wake up from illusion? Name one Indian company with global impact please.
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He's not wrong. We are much better in private initiative. In China everything is state controlled, not entrepreneurship.
@@naiyayika clearly you don't know China. Most companies in China are private. State only control strategy important industry and companies such as basic materials, infrastructure, military,and other business private companies won't do because low profits.
Over last 20 years China's new economy is emerging very fast and all of them private.
@@naiyayika you know nothing about China
Flipkart but want to make huge money by selling it that is indian mind
india should adopt the mentality of people from banana republic. Its overbloated self worth is not good for its own good.
This type of programme on a book of Indian economy and her future is a great things of beauty. It, to some extent, helps you understand the real India.
In my opinion, we did not create a true Indian or Bharatiya system of Governance. It is a copied version of different systems governed by British established system of Governance. From every pillars of the states ( Judiciary, Army, civil governance, etc) are copied. Our business people do not love their country and use the political parties for their own gain.
Long story cut short is the country systems that makes the difference! If India adopts western political and economic ways to run the nation it’s not going to change herself!😎😄