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The West Wing: Chaos at the Convention [CLIP] | TNT
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2020
- With no consensus emerging after the first ballot, three candidates jostle to win the Democratic nomination.
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“One night of this is entertaining, two nights and we look like idiots.” Good thing Leo wasn’t here to see that Speaker vote for McCarthy 😮💨🤣
...or the four Speaker votes for Johnson. Say what you like about McCarthy, but he stayed the course until he got in. He didn't take three weeks settling the votes.
OMG so true
Yep..they looked like bumbling idiots…WWLS. ..what would Lincoln say?
This is an ultimately stupid TELEVISION SHOW.
Who gets to be Speaker of the House is up to the party in the majority.
The only people looking to be "entertained" by politics shouldn't EVER be consulted about anything important.
@@kenle2 Everyone is entertained by loud politics, dear. Otherwise they would not bother even commenting
"It's a free-for-all. I think Aaron Burr's got twenty votes" - fantastic quip.
I’ll I know about Aaron burr is he was VP and killed a guy in a duel.
Yes I learned from west wing
Burr just wanted to be in the room where it happened. 😂
@@jimmy2k4oLearn which guy he killed, and what he did afterwards (and why getting a conviction for treason is so difficult in the USA).
LMAO. That's a good line.
That look between Josh and Hoynes. Always stayed with me. Josh kept giving Hoynes good advice and he kept ignoring it, to his own peril...
Yea, that look makes me think about the flashback to before the original Bartlet campaign
"Have you ever wondered if I had listened to you would I be president now" No Sir I know it
Hoynes was okay, he had his good qualities and on the balance he was a good person, but he had a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder from the start, because he knew from the start that he wasn't picked as VP because he was liked or respected by the President; he was chosen because it was a way for him to shore up elements within the party that didn't necessarily side with Bartlett. He tolerated it because he'd been promised that Bartlett would only serve one term on account of the MS, but then he went and broke that promise without telling him, and all the while his staff had treated him with barely concealed contempt and disdain.
At this point in the game, Sorkin was out of the picture, so character complexity went down an order of magnitude across the board, so this Hoynes is almost a caricature that doesn't really take into account the complexity he'd had before; the old Hoynes didn't necessarily do anything to make you like him, but just when you thought you could go ahead and start hating him, he'd do something kind or generous that he didn't have to, like letting Leo in on the fact that there was a WH alcoholics anonymous group.
@@daviddundas4140 best moment
That look was from a vice presidential loser to a kingmaker.
When Leo said "One night of this is entertaining, two nights we look like idiots, reminds me of the last presidential debates.With great respect to the irreplaceable John Spencer.
Or Hillary getting more votes than Obama and the democrats still tilting the rules. Nothing new.
@@zippyzipster46 Obama got more votes than hillary. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Or the latest Speaker of the House vote.
I always thought this was the best of the post-Sorkin episodes. Huge stakes, characters you care about on all sides, and tension on what's going to happen up until the last minute.
Agreed. I don't love the writers after Sorkin but this one is one of the decent ones.
@@darkhorseash4337 They weren't good at trying to write the show as if they were Sorkin. That's why season 5 suffered, in particular (although the shutdown plot and the social security episode were bright spots).
In my opinion, the election campaign storyline of seasons 6 and 7 was the first complete abandonment from trying to make the show feel like Sorkin, but I also think that it was very well done and I thoroughly enjoyed the final two seasons (at least the election storyline; the administration-related plots, especially the military space shuttle, were still pretty lackluster).
@@xChemistryFTWx agreed. They really did make progress, though the shuttle story was Absurd
I also love The Supremes episode. A true highlight in season 5, but still one of the best in the whole series.
It’s a credit to Ed O’Neil for his wide range of acting skills.
From Lazy Dad/Shoe Seller to Statesman - and he pulls both off without me thinking of either of them.
Anyone else feel parallels between the Speaker of the House election in January and most recently, October 2023? "Two nights and we look like idiots"
Well now we are 17 days and counting without a Speaker
I love how the POTUS calmly says, "find me Leo McGarry".
The look between Josh and Hoynes was excellent
What was the context? I know hoynes fired josh when he was running and hoynes had an affair. Did josh tell him to bow out for Santos?
@@anineh1551 Haynes never fired Josh. 8 years earlier, Josh left Hoynes and joined Barlet’s campaign. At the start of this campaign, Hoynes asked Josh to be his campaign manager, but Josh turned him down. The morning before this scene takes place, Josh had visited Hoynes and asked him to withdraw from contention and give his delegates to Santos, but Hoynes refused.
@@anineh1551 Yes. He offered to allow Hoynes to informally serve as a power broker on the hill in a Santos administration, if he bowed out. He didn't accept
The camera blocking here is subtly brilliant. In both the Santos and Russel rooms, Hoyne's states are on the whiteboard. But they're rarely in focus, and in both scenes they are occasionally obscured by someone standing in the way. The camerawork is helping us to ignore the now failed candidate.
Love that Bingo Bob was basically in a full-blown argument with the person he was calling....but still managed to get the state's nomination. From the limited knowledge I have of Mississippi as a state, I feel like that'd probably work as well 😂😂😂
It's a great example of how Bingo Bob exists in this quantum state of being both useless and good at politics.
Abby: What are they doing?
Bartlett: Eating their young.
XD
Ed O’Neill should’ve gotten more time, he was perfect as the PA governor who toyed with running for President and then got the VP spot after Leo’s death
John Spencer died while filming the final season, so Leo's death was unplanned, they had to pivot the show afterwards.
You never wondered why that episode is dedicated to him?
Excuse me? Baker didn't get the VP spot after Leo's death, Santos only had expressed his desire to nominate Baker for VP. That storyline didn't come back at all.
Getting ready for the upcoming DNC with this clip.
My thoughts, exactly!
I went and watched this episode as soon as the announcement was made yesterday 😅😂
Abbey: What are they DOING?
Jed: EATING THEIR YOUNG!
Me:...yup...that's pretty much politics around the world.
I maintain my highly political stance which is that americas children should sue their parents for stealing their childhoods.
The president sending leo to get people in line
Baker's statement implies that he hasn't been able to address the delegates yet, but at the beginning you hear him making a speech. Of course, that could have been just to reports announcing his candidacy. I agree that more Ed O'Neill would have been good. I always like to see him in a serious role.
That was just him talking to the cameras, not addressing the delegates. But I lov3 the way Leo says Yes, like, "Yes, you ass. Next time don't announce your candidacy in the middle of the convention."
Baker really pissed me off. If I was Leo, I would have singled Baker out and looked him straight in the eye and said. "Eric, if you wanted to run for President, do the party a favor and wait till the last minute"
0:49 - 1:06 Anne definitely did not regret it later on.
Tim Matheson is still an ace actor in my book.
A lot of people don't know that he makes his daily dollars directing. Not motion pictures but small TV specials, TV commercials, documentaries, etc. Apparently he's highly regarded in the industry for that. Who knew?
Leo calls, you answer.
A subtle yet brilliant piece of storytelling: that whiteboard used when Will was discussing how many votes Russell got? You see Santos, Russell, and Baker's name obviously, but there was also Hoynes. It's been obscured the entire time, and for a split second you saw lines crossed or erased. Heck, during the scene with Josh and Santos, Hoynes has been either blocked or unreadable due to bright lights. Hoynes stopped being relevant before that meeting with Leo.
The actions in the above clip shows what takes place in a brokered Convention.
Leo talks, all others listen. That is the sound of Bartlets right hand.
I forgot Ed O'Neill was on the WW
I think Aaron Burr has 20 votes classic
McCarthy wishes he had someone like Leo running the GOP. 😂
Realistically, you wouldn't care about "States" at a convention. Delegates from the same State are free to vote for any candidate they want.
Hillary got more votes than Obama. Fact. The Democratic Party is rigged and owned.
@@zippyzipster46 She got votes that didn't count though. The rules were clear; move your primary before the start date, lose your delegates. Clinton had the extra money to waste so she campaigned in those states anyway hoping that the DNC would cave and she sneak into the nomination.
@@zippyzipster46rigged perhaps. Owned no, influenced undoubtedly. Still far far far better for the USA than the Republican Party in 2021
@@herbacidalNo
Al Bundy as Vice President - Thank God there was no 8th Season.
"Eating their young" so describes so much....
2:18 How did Al Bundy go from a shoe store to the White House?
He's running on the "No Ma'am" ticket.
You score four touchdowns in one game, you go places.
Eric Baker scored 4 states in 1 convention.
Al once scored four touchdowns in one game.
Well...he's got my vote!
Is that Al or A.I.?
This would actually be a great convention. Democracy in action.
Getting people nominated like this .. from the same party... is something I would like to see in India
Yes, but every party except the BJP and the left are family businesses or 1-person parties. In other words those parties don’t have leaders, those leaders have their parties - there really is no meaning to any leadership position if held my someone else.
Still think coalescing around Harris was a bad idea?
And now they use cellular lmao
When they bring 'entertainment' to the Convention you do not have a Convention.
weird that Sorkin would be involved with releasing these clips, since he exited the series after what, season 4? and i remember seeing something from him stating that he only watched a single minute of the show past that point.
Where do you see that Aaron Sorkin has anything to do with this clip? It’s on TNT’s channel.
@@flyboy152 probably in the description of the video. The part that says...
"TNT has Partnered with Aaron Sorkin to curate The West Wing's best election-voting episodes to air before the 2020 Election."
but I could be misinterpreting that.
Name recognition
Maybe he's only picking episodes from his time with the show, and other people are picking from seasons 5-7.
@@acolytetojippity This was a very high stakes election. I think Sorkin overcame his childish ego (I love him, but it’s true) and oversaw this special airing as a PSA
whoa jay from modern family?
Al Bundy for President.
Totally disgusting how deals are done under the table to make sure they get into office.
The only thing thats inaccurate about this (besides all the states voting as a unit) is that the networks would not be bored with a contested convention. They would be GOING NUTS FOR RATINGS if this kind of shitstorm happened at a convention of either party
I think this clip does show the networks going nuts for ratings, that’s why Leo says they were going to reset and start balloting again in prime time, when more people would be able to watch, vs continuing balloting at 3AM EST
EATING THEIR YOUNG!
If Baker wins, Peg Bundy would be in White House!
Even more important so would Kelly Bundy.
Pretty appropo after watching the republicans fail to elect a god damn speaker of the house.
Fifteen votes to get McCarthy, four more since to get Johnson.
"Vote for the person who most embodies what you believe we need to keep out nation strong and free... and when you have done that, you can go back to Seattle, to Boston, to Miami, to Omaha, Tulsa and Chicago, and Atlanta with your head held high, and say I am a member of the DEMOCRATIC Party!"
Mike Pence always a bridesmaid and never a bride.
*Our 'Selection' process is a real 'Chinese Cluster-Phuck' isn't it?*
( *The last time anyone actually 'rose to the top' based on words alone was 1960* )
great
I don't get it. What are the primaries for if don't have the delegates' votes in the pocket if you win?
What a weird old way to run a country
Yes. The inevitable consequence of trying to run a 21st century country in a 21st century world with an 18th century constitution.
And when we finally hold a constitutional convention to replace it, you're going to see confusion much worse than anything in this clip.
Hilarious to me that writers can come up with a brokered convention and have Santos defeating Vinick. Don't let the real world get in the way of a good story.
Santos v Vinick is pretty tame compared to some brokered conventions of the past.
The most infamous of these was the 1924 DNC, which was by any and all accounts a complete and utter fiasco: it required a whole month and 103 ballots for the Democrats to nominate John W. Davis, who ended up losing to Calvin Coolidge in a blowout that November.
Vinnick was actually supposed to win the election, but then John Spencer (Leo) died during the filiming of season 7. The writiers thought it would too painful for the audience to have Santos lose and deal with the loss of a main actor.
Razor thin presidential election and if the nuclear issue doesn’t happen in California, Vinnick wins. This scenario even with a brokered convention is totally possible.
@@bkam7079 I had not read that before. Very interesting, thank you.
@@bkam7079 The writers were wrong in that choice. It was just a TV show, and Vinnick should have won as originally planned. I didnt care for the series after Sorkin left.
Back when looking like an idiot mattered at all. Good times.
While this entertaining, the way both parties have set up the nomination process you know by early spring who the nominee will most likely be. Neither party wants this sideshow at their convention.
Isn't it sad how things aren't done that way anymore everything's fixed
What an idotic system
One sub-plot was one of the few disappointments I ever had with this show.
The idea that a former drug addict with a serious heart condition could ever be selected as a VP nominee was ludicrous. I don't know what they were thinking.
Then, the actor portraying him up and dies.
You just can't make this up, folks.
The gleaming tempo arespectively paste because stamp provisionally mix out a penitent leaf. puzzling, belligerent replace
Donna wasn't dead yet?
Donna didn't die.
WTF are you babbling about?
This is why aew sucks🤦♂️