There is not a second in this speech where he gives an explicit reason to vote for HIM, but the entire speech lets us know he’s the person to vote for.
Exactly. Its proof that he believes in the sacred idea of government for the people, by the people. Its never solely about the person who is president but rather what they can do to further the ideals of democracy and the wishes of the voting population. The person who holds The Office of The Presidency is but a caretaker and a living representative of a system greater than just one person.
One of the best and most beautiful moments of the show. Even as a Pakistani citizen, I am truly inspired by this speech. It may be fiction, but it is not a delusion. We should set this as the standard for our leaders, and ourselves.
I like to imagine that Vinnick was watching this speech, and at the end was like "It might be harder to run against him, but that's the kind of man I wanna run against."
MikeJames6 I agree with you up until your insult. As the others said, the writers agreed with you, vinick winning would have been great. But they didn’t think it would be in good taste to have Leo die, and then also have them lose the election. They didn’t drop the ball at all.
@MikeJames6 Iirc the performance was based on Obama's stoic composure (they thought he happened to be the best match for the story they wanted to tell; they didn't expect he was going to run)
If John Spencer hadn't died, it was very possible the show would have been picked up for an 8th Season. But with him gone and so many other actors leaving (only Whitford would have remained as a credit character from the first season, as Maloney didn't get into the main credits until Season 2), and only Smits and POSSIBLY Alda from the main credits for later seasons, without John Spencer, the execs didn't see any chance of the show continuing to be a success. I think it could have been, but... ah well. We did get five and a half good seasons (let's forget most of season 5 and a good chunk of season 6) out of it, which is more than you can usually ask for. Five seasons, as a rule, is the maximum number of seasons for which any show that isn't a crime procedural can be expected to be good. (It's the rule of 5.)
+chubbychuckle Aaron Sorkin left. It's possible the reasons seasons 5 (and chunks of 6) are seen as so bad because we'd been spoiled by earlier seasons that were so good. But I think the reason I felt it was bad was two things. For one, they changed the camera work so that it was much jerkier and shakier than it had been. Instead of smooth pans and sharp cuts, we had jerky movement. Like they'd moved from a steady-cam to shoulder-mounted camera. The other reason, and the main reason was the writing and the way the characters changed. The witty back-and-forth of the characters morphed into angry tirades more often than not, and the yelling (that happened only occasionally in the first four seasons, and was extremely uncomfortable) became commonplace, particularly in Season 5. There are other, specific things (Joshua Malina/Will Bailey moving to the VP's office when he was supposed to replace Sam, for example) that are disappointing. It just wasn't a good show in season 5 and most of season 6. Watching it now, you can press through to the good stuff (rare though it may be in Season 5 in particular) if you marathon the show, but we couldn't back in the day. And week after week of mediocrity starts to wear on you.
Nah, Spencer had nothing to do with the show ending. The show was still really good but the overall cost of the show was elevated to a level that the ratings no longer could sustain to make a profit for the show.
“See if you can get Josh on the phone.”-President Bartlett I love how Bartlett looks at Zoey and sees her smile. He knew her hope for the future told him Santos was the best option. Great scene!
Bartlett concealed his illness because he didn't think he could win the nomination or the election if people had known. The actor's proper name is Estevez, but thought his career would be hurt with a Latin sounding name. Now an actor and character who are Latin might get the nomination for president.
Sometimes, In the current political climate, I need to see scenes from WW. Yes, they are imaginary. But, I don't think that they are fake. I would like to believe in something better. Something we can all embrace.
Sorkin and crew wrote the ideal. These were how our leaders should be. Beholden to the ideals of their political side, but working for the betterment of all the people. That's not what we have today. Hell, that's not even what we had then.
You know. there was a time when our leaders inspired imagination. Life is shitty enough on it's own, leaders are meant to take us out of the dirt and show us if we work together, tomorrow will be better. I know it's funny to some, but leaders through history were those that lead us through the dark to a brighter tomorrow.
@@Myr3390 The last time there was a "ideal president", it was Kennedy, and even he was flawed. I mean, he appeared so great that the mafia had to kill him. The same thing happened to RFK.
I think you've nailed the core message of the entire show right there. Yes, it is fictional, and yes, real-world politics doesn't live up to the ideals of the show, but the show encourages us to believe that such ideals are possible in our government and motivates us to work towards improving it.
And, I think it was as good as any theatrical movie I have ever seen. The Brothers in Arms scene at the end always blows me away. As Leo said, Watch This.
There are only a handful of our current politicians who would consider giving such a speech. But even if they did, none of them can deliver words like Jimmy Smits, so none of them will ever have the slightest chance of getting the nomination from a major party. Too bad for us.
I love the whole feel of this episode. Its shot in such a different way then the show normally is, it gives you the impression of a real event going on.
Such clever camera angles and framing to make what are probably a couple dozen extras on a mostly empty soundstage, look and feel like a packed convention center with thousands of people
Actually it was shot in the arena in Anaheim California where the hockey team plays. At the time it was called the Arrowhead Pond I believe. And there were a lot more than a couple dozen extras. It was was actually a couple thousand. I was one of them. I was on a Disneyland vacation and leading up to the park there were flyers posted everywhere for the open call for extras. I still have my Santos, Bob Russell and Baker signs.
Small mistake at 4:04 when victory balloons can be seen dropping from the rafters on the TV. If TOBY were running that convention, he'd have a meltdown like he had during the Justice Mendoza confirmation. That whole Tempting Fate speech/rant he gave to the staffers including Ginger and Bonnie was hilarious. He even had another moment like that when Ed (or Larry) walked into his line of sight on Election Night: "Hey. I see one victory balloon before this thing is called and... *YEAH, YOU BETTER RUN!!!"*
I love the look Santos and his wife exchange before he steps out. You can practically hear them thinking to each other: Matt: Okay, I'm going to do it now. Helen: Go win this thing.
I don't see that from her. I think her look was complete loyalty and love and trust. She looked like she was telling him I love you no matter what happens.
While definitely a rhetorical device, the "it has been suggested to me" and "it has been asked of me" set-ups are also a nice way for Sorkin to give Santos the role of next generation leader for the DNC. The old ways are gone, and perhaps with them, some of the flaws of the party as well.
I always loved how Bartlett took Santos advise and chose the the candidate who most embodied what he believed we need to keep our nation strong and free.
The most ironic part of this episode? Santos' speech is all about the delegates' "Democratic right to vote"...but he gets the nomination when President Bartlet twists the arm of the New York delegation chairman.
I wouldn't say it's ironic, at least not totally. Hoynes and Russell are in it for power. Baker is in it for whatever reason. Santos is in it for progress much like Bartlet wanted. Hoynes and Russell just do a better job of fooling the voters into thinking that they care about them.
After seeing this clip several times now, it was the first time i noticed that the looks he and Teri Polo exchanged were the same he had with Kim Delaney in NYPD Blue. the love and devotion between both couples came across so strong.
If you notice this is one of the scenes shot later - they started to have budget issues, so you never see full wide shots to see that they didn't have very many extras. A lot of close-in shots creating the illusion of a full convention floor.
Bartlett made Santos the nominee with the backroom deal he made with the teachers union. And a nuclear disaster made Santos president by damaging Vinnick. President Lucky Boi
Hillary had also clinched the nomination before the convention. Here, the convention is deadlocked, plus there was Baker's floor campaign to worry about.
Has anyone noticed just how EERILY accurate this was? Aside from the close election, they got everything else right. A young, minority candidate against an old, "moderate" candidate. (Okay, let's pretend McCain wasn't a total sell out and pretend he was actually moderate.) The Vinick Campaign had a young handsome (but unlike real life, not moronic) VP candidate. The Santos campaign went with an older, established statesman. Maybe they watched the 2004 Convention speech. Anyone who saw that knew that 2008 was either gonna be Clinton or Obama.
The West Wing definitely helped influence the real life 2008 election, and this entire political campaign was definitely based off of the actual candidates. Still really cool, though!
+Three00Jews Considering how it was two years before the 2008 election, and Obama wasn't a real candidate until he won Iowa. (granted, I was working for him [in what my relatives called a "hopeless, pointless cause"]in Oregon for months before he won Iowa.) Unless the writers were seers, they couldn't have seen the 2008 election coming. I was an Obama campaign person, and even I didn't see it coming. I just thought it would be cool to be involved.
Looking at your comment three years later but just wanted to say that you're exactly right. After 2004, Obama became more notable and people who worked on the West Wing said that Santos was in part inspired by Obama. You hit the nail on the head.
i never noticed that the person introducing santos said he went to the air force acadmey when he went to anapolis, naval acadmey, never noticed it before
Looking forward to seeing this speech being given some attention with it's superdelegates/ordinary delegates focus if there really is a conflict between them with Bernie at this year's convention. . .
@@michaelashtonjr.ashohara1414 it's most likely an error but it's possible to go to another service academy say air force and go Navy. It's possible to do that it involves conditional release from your service component. It's not easy it has been done. You still because your still commissioning in the miltiary it's just your joining a different service branch.
Whatever the criticisms of the latter seasons, this felt very much like the West Wing. The steadfast looks of belief from Helen before to the heavy but playful pride immediately afterward. This was Matt Santos standing tall on the biggest stage with his own message, un-curated by literary luminaries and lighting his own way. Josh sees he didn't need to drive the car, just start the engine.
@@flyboy152 While it is a continuity error, the reality is that there is a mechanism by which graduates of the federal service academies can join a different service.
I always wonder why Obama never thought about hiring Sorkin or Wells as his speech writer, or even as his senior advisor. Has he never watched the show?
I wish the show could of continued one more season with the Santos Admin. It was foretelling of what we would have in 2008 with Obama. Hoping for a better 2021
it's a pity in the clip there is not the part when President Bartlet says something like "Find me Josh". that's how the story changed :-) Long Live The West Wing
Sending kind thoughts to Americans. I would claim they lost their way. I have nothing against Republicans except everything but what do they stand for? Ask them and they look over their shoulders at a rather obese former POTUS who was defeated over a year and a month ago and wait for his incoherence to guide them. I hope to be back again in a years time. Nothing has changed Texas. Neither have you.
It's not impossible, but highly unlikely. It's almost as if they took that clip from an outtake? Can't believe it would get past the writers. . .but of course, it did.
joel1239871 I meant wrong in the context of the character's biography, Santos himself stated he graduated from the Naval Academy at Annapolis, not the AIr Force Academy at Colorado Springs.
I always thought the decision to make Josh weak and incompetent over the final season or two was a horrible decision. He didn’t mature and grow into the role, he just went along for the ride.
The show always swung from showing Josh's hyper-competence to his hubris to his anxious frenzies. Think of it as focusing on the painful moments while there's plenty of off screen triumphs
@@wasserperson I agree with you. Like all of us, Josh had many sides to his character, and he certainly wasn't perfect. But he DID grow. He also backslid at times (like after the election). Toby was my favorite character in the first 5 years of the show. But it was all Josh in the last 2 years.
“It’s been suggested to me that party unity is more important than your democratic rights as delegates.” How did we, the people who support our party because we believe it embodies our ideals, get from this to what’s happening right now in Chicago? It’s a sad day.
@@chubbychuckle Latino running for president, the presidents ex-chief of staff being named the Vice Presidential running mate, then one of them gets killed on the night of the election the exact same way as in this show
@@chubbychuckle oh man I can’t believe you actually responded after me after 6 years lmao but yeah it was VERYYYY similar lol, funny enough I watched WW after watching scandal and was like wait a minute this looks familiar
I keep seeing your name pop up in the comments trash talking Democrats. We get it. You hate them. We understand what character you would be on a TV show like this. DoucheKing indeed. Keep hating a group of people indiscriminately. Works out well for most people. Ugh, you're like if a toilet was a person.
The best thing the Dems could do is show this speech, then show a Drumpty rally speech back to back. I know it’s a fictional moment in time, but it’s what every American, democrat or republican wants from our leaders. Someone truly for the people, not someone trying to stay out of prison. Not someone looking for the next sucker to come along. Not someone trying to take our rights away. Someone truly for the betterment of our democracy. Vote blue for American 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸🤍🇺🇸💙🇺🇸
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One of the greatest speeches in this show, especially for the post-Sorkin era.
I practically memorized it.
There is not a second in this speech where he gives an explicit reason to vote for HIM, but the entire speech lets us know he’s the person to vote for.
Exactly. Its proof that he believes in the sacred idea of government for the people, by the people. Its never solely about the person who is president but rather what they can do to further the ideals of democracy and the wishes of the voting population. The person who holds The Office of The Presidency is but a caretaker and a living representative of a system greater than just one person.
Amen.
If only we could have a president who lived up to that sentiment.
Well Santos is a hero since he scammed $3,000 from a GoFundMe campaign for a disabled veteran’s dying service dog.
One of the best and most beautiful moments of the show. Even as a Pakistani citizen, I am truly inspired by this speech. It may be fiction, but it is not a delusion. We should set this as the standard for our leaders, and ourselves.
Then vote of IK. He is the closest thing to Santos you will get in Pakistan
He failed to disclose that he is an alien from alderaan.
Senator
I always thought he was a human living on Alderon.
@@robertmcbride4454 I thought Americans referred to foreigners as aliens
@@obi-wankenobi5330 I always thought Americans don't think about foreigners.
Pobody's nerfect
I like to imagine that Vinnick was watching this speech, and at the end was like "It might be harder to run against him, but that's the kind of man I wanna run against."
@MikeJames6 I don't know if there's any truth to this, but I heard WW was originally going to make Vinick the winner until Leo McGarry died.
@@cbsrockem That's correct. When they were expecting another season, they brought on Alan Alda and set that in motion.
MikeJames6 I agree with you up until your insult. As the others said, the writers agreed with you, vinick winning would have been great. But they didn’t think it would be in good taste to have Leo die, and then also have them lose the election. They didn’t drop the ball at all.
@MikeJames6 Iirc the performance was based on Obama's stoic composure (they thought he happened to be the best match for the story they wanted to tell; they didn't expect he was going to run)
For sure.
I love Matt Santos. he was my favorite West Wing character. I wish they'd kept it going with him as president.
If John Spencer hadn't died, it was very possible the show would have been picked up for an 8th Season. But with him gone and so many other actors leaving (only Whitford would have remained as a credit character from the first season, as Maloney didn't get into the main credits until Season 2), and only Smits and POSSIBLY Alda from the main credits for later seasons, without John Spencer, the execs didn't see any chance of the show continuing to be a success.
I think it could have been, but... ah well. We did get five and a half good seasons (let's forget most of season 5 and a good chunk of season 6) out of it, which is more than you can usually ask for. Five seasons, as a rule, is the maximum number of seasons for which any show that isn't a crime procedural can be expected to be good. (It's the rule of 5.)
Why does everyone say those seasons were bad?
+chubbychuckle Aaron Sorkin left. It's possible the reasons seasons 5 (and chunks of 6) are seen as so bad because we'd been spoiled by earlier seasons that were so good. But I think the reason I felt it was bad was two things. For one, they changed the camera work so that it was much jerkier and shakier than it had been. Instead of smooth pans and sharp cuts, we had jerky movement. Like they'd moved from a steady-cam to shoulder-mounted camera.
The other reason, and the main reason was the writing and the way the characters changed. The witty back-and-forth of the characters morphed into angry tirades more often than not, and the yelling (that happened only occasionally in the first four seasons, and was extremely uncomfortable) became commonplace, particularly in Season 5.
There are other, specific things (Joshua Malina/Will Bailey moving to the VP's office when he was supposed to replace Sam, for example) that are disappointing. It just wasn't a good show in season 5 and most of season 6. Watching it now, you can press through to the good stuff (rare though it may be in Season 5 in particular) if you marathon the show, but we couldn't back in the day. And week after week of mediocrity starts to wear on you.
John Landon I see. I just finished my first time watching it so next time I'll look for the difference you mentioned.
Nah, Spencer had nothing to do with the show ending. The show was still really good but the overall cost of the show was elevated to a level that the ratings no longer could sustain to make a profit for the show.
“See if you can get Josh on the phone.”-President Bartlett
I love how Bartlett looks at Zoey and sees her smile. He knew her hope for the future told him Santos was the best option. Great scene!
Bartlett concealed his illness because he didn't think he could win the nomination or the election if people had known. The actor's proper name is Estevez, but thought his career would be hurt with a Latin sounding name. Now an actor and character who are Latin might get the nomination for president.
This was the moment that Bartlett realised that Santos was the only natural. Sucessor
Bartlet.
Sometimes, In the current political climate, I need to see scenes from WW. Yes, they are imaginary. But, I don't think that they are fake. I would like to believe in something better. Something we can all embrace.
I can imagine Santos calling Vinick a racist and his supporters bigots and try to bring real life to the show
Sorkin and crew wrote the ideal. These were how our leaders should be. Beholden to the ideals of their political side, but working for the betterment of all the people.
That's not what we have today. Hell, that's not even what we had then.
You know. there was a time when our leaders inspired imagination. Life is shitty enough on it's own, leaders are meant to take us out of the dirt and show us if we work together, tomorrow will be better. I know it's funny to some, but leaders through history were those that lead us through the dark to a brighter tomorrow.
@@Myr3390 The last time there was a "ideal president", it was Kennedy, and even he was flawed. I mean, he appeared so great that the mafia had to kill him. The same thing happened to RFK.
I think you've nailed the core message of the entire show right there. Yes, it is fictional, and yes, real-world politics doesn't live up to the ideals of the show, but the show encourages us to believe that such ideals are possible in our government and motivates us to work towards improving it.
The look on Josh' face when Santos pulls out this speech out of thin air....
"Two Cathedrals" was the greatest hour of television ever!!
And, I think it was as good as any theatrical movie I have ever seen. The Brothers in Arms scene at the end always blows me away. As Leo said, Watch This.
Noel would like a word with you.
And then the other two minutes 2 episodes ahead when he says yeah and I’m going to win
@@theolamp5312 at the time it aired it was the greatest season finale of a show ever
ummmmm very very close with a few episodes from the news room
We need a moment like this in 2020.
It will not be coming from the Dems...
@@dutchking7293 Yes, it is. And it began on 3 March, 2020
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There are only a handful of our current politicians who would consider giving such a speech. But even if they did, none of them can deliver words like Jimmy Smits, so none of them will ever have the slightest chance of getting the nomination from a major party. Too bad for us.
Yep we need fictional characters cause the real ones suck balls
4:10 I just love the look on Santos's wife's face! She's so proud of her man!
Pride and a friendly triumph over Josh; like the energy btw Abby & Leo but w/o the secret of MS & the pain of the kidnapping
I love the whole feel of this episode. Its shot in such a different way then the show normally is, it gives you the impression of a real event going on.
By now, the show was so popular that all the extra's the production needed in this episode probably did it for free.
Then President Bartlet says, "Get Josh on the phone."
Just great.
Such clever camera angles and framing to make what are probably a couple dozen extras on a mostly empty soundstage, look and feel like a packed convention center with thousands of people
Actually it was shot in the arena in Anaheim California where the hockey team plays. At the time it was called the Arrowhead Pond I believe. And there were a lot more than a couple dozen extras. It was was actually a couple thousand. I was one of them. I was on a Disneyland vacation and leading up to the park there were flyers posted everywhere for the open call for extras. I still have my Santos, Bob Russell and Baker signs.
I feel the opposite -- it was a valiant effort, but it didn't ring true to me. I felt the emptiness of the arena during his speech.
I like how as Santos becomes closer and closer to being the nominee Josh looks progressively glummer and glummer.
Small mistake at 4:04 when victory balloons can be seen dropping from the rafters on the TV.
If TOBY were running that convention, he'd have a meltdown like he had during the Justice Mendoza confirmation.
That whole Tempting Fate speech/rant he gave to the staffers including Ginger and Bonnie was hilarious.
He even had another moment like that when Ed (or Larry) walked into his line of sight on Election Night:
"Hey. I see one victory balloon before this thing is called and... *YEAH, YOU BETTER RUN!!!"*
I love the look Santos and his wife exchange before he steps out. You can practically hear them thinking to each other:
Matt: Okay, I'm going to do it now.
Helen: Go win this thing.
I don't see that from her. I think her look was complete loyalty and love and trust. She looked like she was telling him I love you no matter what happens.
Would have loved to see his presidency they really could've kept this show going, would've been really good I think
If only the DNC would do this now... to trust that we have intelligent people voting, and to treat us with respect when we want a better candidate..
@ursaltydog Six years later and I'm still sitting here hoping we see this sort of thing at the DNC in a few months.
@@vickenator I hear ya...
This episode, and the entire series, are simply extraordinary.
Bail Organa really was a great senator.
I view this speech whenever I need a positive boost.
While definitely a rhetorical device, the "it has been suggested to me" and "it has been asked of me" set-ups are also a nice way for Sorkin to give Santos the role of next generation leader for the DNC. The old ways are gone, and perhaps with them, some of the flaws of the party as well.
Sorkin didn't write this. He was out after season 4.
I’ve seen this at least twenty times. Makes me cry every time.
I always loved how Bartlett took Santos advise and chose the the candidate who most embodied what he believed we need to keep our nation strong and free.
Whenever there was a time for a mic drop...this was it!
I wish we could have this honesty today.........
I'm not even American, and this speech makes me want to be a member of the Democratic Party
If only the real world was quite so good.
@DW Palme wahhhhhhhh
@DW Palme hogwash makes great fertilizer.
Keynesian Economics He doesn’t want to, cause he knows that once he does, he will be corrected on how very wrong he is.
The legend Jimmy Smits, everyone.
And just as good in NYPD Blue, LA Law, and East New York
"With your head held high... " Now tell me, beyond partisan, politic or personal interest... When was the last time you felt you could do that?
When I decided to follow my own ideas, principles and beliefs instead of those set forth by someone hoping to get votes instead of actually governing
4:08 ... the moment a proud spouse KNOWS, ... and lets Josh know, ... "you ready for this?!"
The most ironic part of this episode?
Santos' speech is all about the delegates' "Democratic right to vote"...but he gets the nomination when President Bartlet twists the arm of the New York delegation chairman.
I wouldn't say it's ironic, at least not totally. Hoynes and Russell are in it for power. Baker is in it for whatever reason. Santos is in it for progress much like Bartlet wanted. Hoynes and Russell just do a better job of fooling the voters into thinking that they care about them.
I hold my head high. I am a member of the Democratic Party.
After seeing this clip several times now, it was the first time i noticed that the looks he and Teri Polo exchanged were the same he had with Kim Delaney in NYPD Blue. the love and devotion between both couples came across so strong.
If you notice this is one of the scenes shot later - they started to have budget issues, so you never see full wide shots to see that they didn't have very many extras. A lot of close-in shots creating the illusion of a full convention floor.
Who here is doing an AP Lang assignment
The speech that made Santos President.
Bartlett made Santos the nominee with the backroom deal he made with the teachers union.
And a nuclear disaster made Santos president by damaging Vinnick.
President Lucky Boi
The speech that Bernie Sanders should make at the convention.
He'll possibly say something just as eloquent (even though he may not be).
sadly Bernie's speech was all "Hillory Clinton knows that..." :(
Bernie? Say something eloquent? lol.
Hillary had also clinched the nomination before the convention. Here, the convention is deadlocked, plus there was Baker's floor campaign to worry about.
Sanders is not a Democrat.
The look on Zoey's face when she is watching the speech. She looks genuinely enraptured.
A Democrat this Republican could vote for and sleep soundly.
I love Josh's face in the end... Like "Damn it. I put that son of the bitch on that podium. I'm so awesome."
Has anyone noticed just how EERILY accurate this was? Aside from the close election, they got everything else right. A young, minority candidate against an old, "moderate" candidate. (Okay, let's pretend McCain wasn't a total sell out and pretend he was actually moderate.) The Vinick Campaign had a young handsome (but unlike real life, not moronic) VP candidate. The Santos campaign went with an older, established statesman.
Maybe they watched the 2004 Convention speech. Anyone who saw that knew that 2008 was either gonna be Clinton or Obama.
And Mccain and Obama did basically the same thing in office.
Colonel Bagshot
I'm not sure what you mean by that. McCain was never elected President, so he was never "in office".
The West Wing definitely helped influence the real life 2008 election, and this entire political campaign was definitely based off of the actual candidates.
Still really cool, though!
+Three00Jews Considering how it was two years before the 2008 election, and Obama wasn't a real candidate until he won Iowa. (granted, I was working for him [in what my relatives called a "hopeless, pointless cause"]in Oregon for months before he won Iowa.) Unless the writers were seers, they couldn't have seen the 2008 election coming. I was an Obama campaign person, and even I didn't see it coming. I just thought it would be cool to be involved.
Looking at your comment three years later but just wanted to say that you're exactly right. After 2004, Obama became more notable and people who worked on the West Wing said that Santos was in part inspired by Obama. You hit the nail on the head.
Anyone running for President or Congress should be made to watch all 7 seasons of the west wing beforehand
THE best post-Sorkin WestWing moment
Every Time I see these clips I keep reminded how he was the pimp in SOA😂😂
Hurricane Santos
You repeat that outside of this room and I'll have you knocking on doors in Alaska, and NOT the urban part.
When he met Fidderer she mentioned him going to the Naval Academy but the announcer says the Air Force Academy
In Mommy Problems he mentioned the Marine Commandant being his former CO, and his service in the Marines is mentioned which backs up going to the USNA
My Cousin graduated from West Point and spent 25 years in the Air Force as a missile commander so yes you can switch branches of service.....
Santos at another time in another episode does make reference to having been at Annapolis.
4:07 She's like "That's my man! "
Jimmy Smits kills it, like he did on LA Law and NYPD Blue. He takes good roles and makes them great.
Gives me chills every time...
i never noticed that the person introducing santos said he went to the air force acadmey when he went to anapolis, naval acadmey, never noticed it before
The moment Helen walks to the other spot is the moment she realizes he will get the nomination
Obama’s speech at the 2004 Democratic convention, which led him to the Presidency 4 yrs later. Inspirational.
Looking forward to seeing this speech being given some attention with it's superdelegates/ordinary delegates focus if there really is a conflict between them with Bernie at this year's convention. . .
Air Force Academy?! It was stated earlier in the series Santos went to Annapolis. He was a Navy pilot.
There are many small continuity errors like that in the series. So many, in fact, I began to wonder if they were put there on purpose.
Marine Corp fighter pilot.
@@michaelashtonjr.ashohara1414 it's most likely an error but it's possible to go to another service academy say air force and go Navy. It's possible to do that it involves conditional release from your service component. It's not easy it has been done. You still because your still commissioning in the miltiary it's just your joining a different service branch.
Back when I was proud to have been a member of the Democratic Party.
Whatever the criticisms of the latter seasons, this felt very much like the West Wing. The steadfast looks of belief from Helen before to the heavy but playful pride immediately afterward. This was Matt Santos standing tall on the biggest stage with his own message, un-curated by literary luminaries and lighting his own way. Josh sees he didn't need to drive the car, just start the engine.
That look at 4:07 told it all.
Jimmy Smits doesn't get enough credit for just how good he was in the show, IMO.
Santos didn't graduate from the Air Force academy. In previous episodes it has been emphasized he graduated from Annapolis.
Exactly, he was a Marine, he wouldn’t have gone to the Air Force Academy.
@@flyboy152 While it is a continuity error, the reality is that there is a mechanism by which graduates of the federal service academies can join a different service.
I always wonder why Obama never thought about hiring Sorkin or Wells as his speech writer, or even as his senior advisor. Has he never watched the show?
Obama had his own voice, but there was a lot of consulting done quietly over the years too.
As a Republican, this speech of West Wing always makes me want to vote Democract at times. Freaking jimmy.
Smits does a great job with this
@robseajoe Actually, he does say Houston. It just sounds like "New" and then Josh exhales so you can't hear the rest as well.
Two Cathedrals is the best episode of The West Wing, but not the best post-Sorkin episode.
American electiions are deeply unsettling
The guy introducing him says he "is a graduate of the Air Force academy".
He was a Marine.....
And That’s how you win
Jimmy Smits totally inhabited this role. So great.
Bernie Sanders needs to make this speech ASAP.
in the same sentence they say his a a reserve marine pilot that went thru the Air force academy? do Air force academy graduates join the Marines?
See above. They can if they choose and the requested branch agrees.
I wish the show could of continued one more season with the Santos Admin. It was foretelling of what we would have in 2008 with Obama. Hoping for a better 2021
it's a pity in the clip there is not the part when President Bartlet says something like "Find me Josh". that's how the story changed :-)
Long Live The West Wing
Sorkin was still in charge in season 2. He wasn't for this.
Sending kind thoughts to Americans. I would claim they lost their way. I have nothing against Republicans except everything but what do they stand for? Ask them and they look over their shoulders at a rather obese former POTUS who was defeated over a year and a month ago and wait for his incoherence to guide them. I hope to be back again in a years time. Nothing has changed Texas. Neither have you.
The person introducing Santos said that he was a Marine fighter pilot and a graduate of the Air Force Academy. This is wrong.
Absolutely!, to give credit to the USAFA instead of USNA is horrible...Go Navy!!
Upon graduation from any service academy, the member can apply to join any of the military services they choose.
It's not impossible, but highly unlikely. It's almost as if they took that clip from an outtake? Can't believe it would get past the writers. . .but of course, it did.
joel1239871 I meant wrong in the context of the character's biography, Santos himself stated he graduated from the Naval Academy at Annapolis, not the AIr Force Academy at Colorado Springs.
Josh Kim Understood - it was a glitch.
I do believe this is episode 132, not 133.
I always thought the decision to make Josh weak and incompetent over the final season or two was a horrible decision. He didn’t mature and grow into the role, he just went along for the ride.
The show always swung from showing Josh's hyper-competence to his hubris to his anxious frenzies. Think of it as focusing on the painful moments while there's plenty of off screen triumphs
@@wasserperson I agree with you. Like all of us, Josh had many sides to his character, and he certainly wasn't perfect. But he DID grow. He also backslid at times (like after the election). Toby was my favorite character in the first 5 years of the show. But it was all Josh in the last 2 years.
From Bartlet, Santos and Vynick to today...
Gets me every time! 😁
im glad for you
“It’s been suggested to me that party unity is more important than your democratic rights as delegates.” How did we, the people who support our party because we believe it embodies our ideals, get from this to what’s happening right now in Chicago? It’s a sad day.
Wow. Just wow
and it's surely to your credit
4:06 Wish I could say something that would put that expression on the face of my woman.
That Guy....2020!
He failed to disclose that he was partners with the White House chief of staff at a Los Angeles Law firm.
If only they'ed show Peg Bundy in the White House!
its crazy that scandal is stealing this shows ideas lol
Scandal? How?
@@chubbychuckle Latino running for president, the presidents ex-chief of staff being named the Vice Presidential running mate, then one of them gets killed on the night of the election the exact same way as in this show
@@cmj0929 Aww okay. I kinda forgot about Frankie for a second. That is very similar.
@@chubbychuckle oh man I can’t believe you actually responded after me after 6 years lmao but yeah it was VERYYYY similar lol, funny enough I watched WW after watching scandal and was like wait a minute this looks familiar
He picks up about 2/3 of bakers supporters
Here is a take: Santos was putting himself as a VP candidate if Baker got the nomination.
The dems would love a view candidates like him right now 🤣🤣🤣
I keep seeing your name pop up in the comments trash talking Democrats. We get it. You hate them. We understand what character you would be on a TV show like this. DoucheKing indeed. Keep hating a group of people indiscriminately. Works out well for most people. Ugh, you're like if a toilet was a person.
Maybe Jimmy Smits will run for real in 2024
Get ready for a brokered convention.
Isn't that what being a member of a political party is supposed to be all about?
I don’t understand. Santos was a Marine Pilot, so he would have graduated from The US Navy Academy in Annapolis, not from the USAF Academy.
@John Crook Right. That’s my point. He was a Marine Officer and Pilot. Hence, he should have graduated from Annapolis.
The best thing the Dems could do is show this speech, then show a Drumpty rally speech back to back. I know it’s a fictional moment in time, but it’s what every American, democrat or republican wants from our leaders. Someone truly for the people, not someone trying to stay out of prison. Not someone looking for the next sucker to come along. Not someone trying to take our rights away. Someone truly for the betterment of our democracy. Vote blue for American 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸🤍🇺🇸💙🇺🇸