In the show, the convention was held in San Diego, which would make it the Valley View Casino Center, known as the iPayOne Center in 2006. However, the scenes were filmed in the HP Pavilion in San Jose.
There's a reason for that. The housing bubble popped in 2008, right before the West Wing-verse's midterms. The President before Bartlet likely repealed Glass-Steagall, so with it popping at almost exactly the halfway point in his presidency, it's unlikley Santos wins a second term.
@@untexan just ask gerald ford, hw bush, ... wait.. they were the only 2 in the last damn near 100 years who got close Then FDR, thats obviously differeent scenario. But then even Harding Coolidge Hoover only had the 1920s lol
@@CT_Taylor FDR only held the Presidency about 12 years and about 4 months, he died around April right after winning a 4th time. But the combo of FDR and Truman held the Presidency of 20 years.
Will Bailey is the annoying kid in your middle school class. Great for the first seasons he came on, but this scene ruined him for me. And I get it, he was trying to do his job, and he wants his guy to win, but his response to "let's flip a coin" just shows how brattish he is.
Political party conventions are not about the candidates running for nomination but about the rewarding of long time operatives and state fundraisers. It’s things like the platform committee that really shape the party for the next four years not the candidates
The last two seasons of the show were brilliant. The only plot point I did not like was making Leo the VP candidate for Santos. Did not seem at all realistic.
Except Santos didn’t. In earlier episodes it’s clearly stated that he graduated Annapolis, and was on active and reserve duty with the Marines. He was never in the Air Force, this is just one of many continuity errors on any long-running show.
Craig Heller This is discussing the primary election, not the general, In the primary you have delegates from local constituencies of the parties and in the general you have electors from the majority winner of each state.
It was never mentioned on the show what stadium the production used to act the Democratic Convention. Does anyone know? I assume a basketball or baseballstadium?
It says he is a graduate of the Air Force Academy, but in an earlier episode he refers to "getting out of the marines". Is this a continuity error or can you go to one academy and commission into another service?
Will irritated the hell out of me during this scene, whining like a petulant child instead of the head of a Presidential Campaign. You want a seat at the grown up table and be taken seriously? Act like it
But isn't it worrying that this law doesn't cover all 50 states? I mean what kind of democracy is it when 48% of electors don't risk punishment if they don't chose the candidate the public voted for? If they felt like it the electorate could elect a President who has not won the vote.
A simpler solution would be to have a candidate's campaign, rather than the state party leaders, choose the electors. Less chance of them being faithless.
Actually, most states have some kind of mechanism for dealing with faithless electors. And once you're a faithless elector, you're done in politics. That is usually enough to keep people in line. That said, I do think it's time to get rid of the Electoral College. And please don't bother offering another point of view. I won't read it or respond to it.
This is a very late answer, but budget was a huge issue. West Wing was a very expensive show so they couldn't afford crowds big enough to fill the hockey stadium there. They resorted to a lot of tricks like closeup and shakey cam to make it seem like the place was filled.
I hate the camera shit they did. Zoom out, zoom in, pan left, pan right, Turn right with zoom, then slight quiver of the frame. I fucking hate that shit.
I never understood why the first ladies had so much input into the presidency in the West Wing. They were not voted into office. Never did like the way most women were portrayed, except for CJ.
Kathyglass2922: Eleanor Roosevelt. Betty Ford. Rosalynn Carter. Nancy Reagan. Barbara Bush. Hillary Clinton. Michelle Obama. All of these First Ladies had tremendous influence with their husbands, and many were involved in actual policy decisions. I don't know if you're married. If so, how much influence do you have in your husband's decision-making?
Such naïveté about how government actually works might be mildly amusing if you were fresh out of middle school civics class, but by now, you ought to know that most government policy is made by the (unelected) bureaucrats of the administrative state.
Leo: "No dramatic surprise VP announcements!" One episode later: dramatic, surprise announcement of Leo as VP candidate.
At that point it wasn’t really a “surprise” per se. Not in the vein of the “Draft Baker” attempt.
@@nilesyensel7516 Never liked the Leo as VP plot point. Did not seem realistic.
...and show we can lead with integrity and maturity. Okay-rock, paper,scissors.On three
yeah John Wells was probably the only one who could pass himself off as Sorkin with his writing. solid episode.
Wells came nowhere close to Sorkin.
Post Sorkin was just lame. Season five was absolute dogshit
One of the best episodes after Sorkin left...
When Leo had his massive heart attack - he was supposed to take it easy - and yet hear he is front and Centre organizing everything.
Organizing almost seems too kind a word, looked more like wrangling :D
I don't know there was anyone else the campaigns would have listened to.
In the show, the convention was held in San Diego, which would make it the Valley View Casino Center, known as the iPayOne Center in 2006. However, the scenes were filmed in the HP Pavilion in San Jose.
I thought it was Anaheim
I need just eleven thousand, seven hundred and eighty votes......
I loved Santos. I wish they'd continued with both his terms. I hate how most AUs don't give him a second term.
There's a reason for that. The housing bubble popped in 2008, right before the West Wing-verse's midterms. The President before Bartlet likely repealed Glass-Steagall, so with it popping at almost exactly the halfway point in his presidency, it's unlikley Santos wins a second term.
It is exceedingly rare for one party to hold the White House for 16 straight years
@@untexan just ask gerald ford, hw bush, ... wait.. they were the only 2 in the last damn near 100 years who got close
Then FDR, thats obviously differeent scenario. But then even Harding Coolidge Hoover only had the 1920s lol
@@CT_Taylor FDR only held the Presidency about 12 years and about 4 months, he died around April right after winning a 4th time. But the combo of FDR and Truman held the Presidency of 20 years.
Who defeated Santos in the AU's alternate universe?
I wanna see one of these for real. This would be amazing.
"You're playing with the big boys now."
Holy crap this episode just became reality. See you in August at the DNC lol.
Yup. Don't worry, your vote doesn't matter. They already know who wins the election.
Will Bailey is the annoying kid in your middle school class.
Great for the first seasons he came on, but this scene ruined him for me.
And I get it, he was trying to do his job, and he wants his guy to win, but his response to "let's flip a coin" just shows how brattish he is.
Integrity and maturity, then they do rock paper scissors. Ha!
Why do the algoritm think I have a intrest of this at this time 😂😂😂 i think dnc can be like this in 2024
Political party conventions are not about the candidates running for nomination but about the rewarding of long time operatives and state fundraisers. It’s things like the platform committee that really shape the party for the next four years not the candidates
Love Will Bailey in this scene.
The last two seasons of the show were brilliant. The only plot point I did not like was making Leo the VP candidate for Santos. Did not seem at all realistic.
Well naming CJ the Chief of Staff wasn't exactly realistic either.
@@jamesrawlins735 true...probably even less realistic. She acted the hell out it though.
0:36 Umm why do they have the IRL 2000 election map in the background???
Great show
Reply to jdavy1691. Yes. A limited number of cadets/midshipmen can transfer to another branch upon graduation.
Except Santos didn’t. In earlier episodes it’s clearly stated that he graduated Annapolis, and was on active and reserve duty with the Marines. He was never in the Air Force, this is just one of many continuity errors on any long-running show.
The random guy on the left looks just like Matt Hancock.
アメリカ人もジャンケン？初めて見ました。
Ｉ ｗａｔｃｈ Americans doing the rock-paper-scissors game for the first time!
actually it's the electors, not the public. The electors don't actually have to vote for the candidate we vote for
Craig Heller This is discussing the primary election, not the general, In the primary you have delegates from local constituencies of the parties and in the general you have electors from the majority winner of each state.
Actually, most states have laws preventing faithless electors. Some even have criminalized it. And some states will replace faithless electors.
It was never mentioned on the show what stadium the production used to act the Democratic Convention. Does anyone know? I assume a basketball or baseballstadium?
It was the SAP Center (formerly the HP Pavillion) in San Jose, Ca. The hockey team The Sharks play there.
@@jamesrawlins735It’s actually where the Ducks play… the Honda Center in Anaheim. SAP Center has a white roof with gray and black seats.
each of them is acting like their's is the ONLY candidate, newsflash the public decide who's the only candidate not your egos!
2:50 “San Diego Damage” is the worst sports team name I have ever heard
Such a great show and such crappy shaky cam.
What stadium were they in? Anybody know?
KROCKOHOLICSHTOWN Honda center
It was the SAP Center (formerly the HP Pavillion) in San Jose, Ca. Look at my first line of question.
You don’t get those in the “democrat party “ anymore…..
It looked like scene from Gladiator
I just want Jimmy Smits to run for president for real.
Very nice...
26 states have laws punishing faithless electors.
That's for a General Election, this is a primary nomination controlled by the party rules, not state laws.
What a fantasy Democrats working together and not backstabbing...
The producers had to sell the camera tripods to afford being able to do season 7. Sad.
Yeah you can tell the budget was an issue when you never got full shots of the convention hall - a lot of close-up shots focusing on smaller crowds.
God. The shaky cam is so annoying :P.
Season 6 and 7 are almost unwatchable because of all of the shaky camera work.
It's real.
ugh. Shaky cam.
Will there be a democratic convention in 2020🤓🇸🇪
Leo
Sadly, this all seems like ancient history -------because it is. ----------------------MJL, 75 y/o
It says he is a graduate of the Air Force Academy, but in an earlier episode he refers to "getting out of the marines". Is this a continuity error or can you go to one academy and commission into another service?
jdavy1691 marine pilot so potentially trained with Air Force?
It's both. You can transfer but they also put the wrong academy down.
You can cross commission as a usmc pilot from the air force academy through the bull dog program
Don't know the answer, but most Marine aviators go through the naval program.
He is a marine pilot. Went to Annapolis. That's it.
lol democracy. You miss it yet America?
Will irritated the hell out of me during this scene, whining like a petulant child instead of the head of a Presidential Campaign. You want a seat at the grown up table and be taken seriously? Act like it
It's funny - you don't appear to know how you're own electoral system works.
That's America.
But isn't it worrying that this law doesn't cover all 50 states? I mean what kind of democracy is it when 48% of electors don't risk punishment if they don't chose the candidate the public voted for? If they felt like it the electorate could elect a President who has not won the vote.
It happened twice in recent years.Gore vs Bush and Clinton vs Trump.
A simpler solution would be to have a candidate's campaign, rather than the state party leaders, choose the electors. Less chance of them being faithless.
Actually, most states have some kind of mechanism for dealing with faithless electors. And once you're a faithless elector, you're done in politics. That is usually enough to keep people in line.
That said, I do think it's time to get rid of the Electoral College. And please don't bother offering another point of view. I won't read it or respond to it.
You had no idea what came down the pike.
Why, why, why was the first two minutes of this filmed entirely in close ups and shakey cam.
Why.
It's nauseating.
Because that's what it looks like!
This is a very late answer, but budget was a huge issue. West Wing was a very expensive show so they couldn't afford crowds big enough to fill the hockey stadium there. They resorted to a lot of tricks like closeup and shakey cam to make it seem like the place was filled.
I assume none of them had guns or they would have probably have used it on themselves to put them out their misery with all the squabbling.
I hate the camera shit they did. Zoom out, zoom in, pan left, pan right, Turn right with zoom, then slight quiver of the frame. I fucking hate that shit.
I never understood why the first ladies had so much input into the presidency in the West Wing. They were not voted into office. Never did like the way most women were portrayed, except for CJ.
Kathyglass2922: Eleanor Roosevelt. Betty Ford. Rosalynn Carter. Nancy Reagan. Barbara Bush. Hillary Clinton. Michelle Obama. All of these First Ladies had tremendous influence with their husbands, and many were involved in actual policy decisions. I don't know if you're married. If so, how much influence do you have in your husband's decision-making?
Such naïveté about how government actually works might be mildly amusing if you were fresh out of middle school civics class, but by now, you ought to know that most government policy is made by the (unelected) bureaucrats of the administrative state.
They walk into the empty stadium and realize they are in the big league.