One of the very best shows ever to grace the Television. Hits home on so many levels. The depth of talent in the wonderful Cast. The astonishing writing; which pulls us through hoops, takes us to depths we seldom see on any other Drama. The twists and turns meant that the Episodes were over in a heartbeat. Breathtaking.
I like that in alot of scenes between Barlet and Leo, Leo seems to make distinctions between speaking to the President at moments, and then speaking to his old friend at other moments.
@@GrandMasterFreshMpls Yes, now a days you can buy the series and watch that on your laptops or video players at home, on the airplane or in the airline membership lounges. I miss the finally show where CJ finally left the White House and was asked by a father with his daughter does she work there in the White house and CJ said "no", I don't work there. And keep on walking aways. So nice!!!
As someone who used to live and work in Manchester, NH, it is very much a city. There's farmland on the periphery but it's funny how people from Hollywood imagine an idyllic pastural scene. Still, this was an amazing show!
Earlier in the series, they showed then candidate Bartlet & Leo in Manchester, walking out of a meeting. It’s not that Hollywood thinks Manchester is *only* idyllic pasture, it’s just where the scene is shot.
@@jcarr32s02 I assume it’s all generational family stuff up there. It’s written into the show that his family goes back to the original 13 colonies, etc. He lived on what they call a “farm”, and it probably did function that way to some degree (cattle, etc), but his dad wasn’t a farmer and neither was he, at least that I can remember from scenes in the show.
For those wondering what they are talking about: RU 486 is the medical term for the abortion pill. Leo is saying that the FDA is going to allow the abortion pill in the USA. And that's why the rightwing is going to go crazy, because people choosing to end a pregnancy is VERY political over there.
It's ending a human life. At least it is to people who don't feel the need to wordplay or obfuscate terms to support their beliefs. No one will realistically tell you that a fetus is not living. So it really comes down to the leftwing then arguing that a fetus is not a human. And thus the terms like "abort" and "fetus" and "choosing to end a pregnancy". Before you judge me, you should know that I think abortion/the right to choose NOT to become a parent is good. My opinions are that a fetus is obviously a human and to admit that it's a human life being ended, but that doing so is ok because until later in the pregnancy it is a human life with virtually no awareness and so it isn't much worse than removing a no-brainwave coma patient from life support. I think that potential fathers and mothers should have to "opt in" to indicate that they will care for a baby before they have parental requirements under the law. And that choice should be made early in the pregnancy. (And if the father chooses not to opt in, then the mother will know that and can make her own decision on whether to abort. And if the mother chooses not to opt in, she can either abort, or go through the adoption path.) Also, it makes a lot of sense to me that the right of a 4-week fetus to not be killed is outweighed by the right of a person to choose NOT to become a parent. But after it's been months we're not talking about the rights of what is essentially a preemie to not be killed versus the "right" of a mother to put off that decision for 6-months.
To have presidents like this, we have to have politicians that actually care about their constituents. That is, sadly, lacking in any measurable metric. The few that do show even a small amount of care are outliers.
@@rcslyman8929 Because members of Congress and Senate are more focused on reelection, raising the required wads of cash, and ensuring those who can influence others in meaningful ways are in their corner. The smart self interests donate to both sides, so they have leverage regardless of who is elected. George Carlin had great insight during many of his talks and would now say even more "see... I told you so. "
@aqasaw234 there is an entire section of staff specifically to write speeches, and brief on talking points. The Former Guy rarely heeded those as he always thinks he is the smartest one in the room. You could see the eye rolls, sighs, and heads drop when Drumph went adlib without reconciling it to the original messaging.
I've never got this, Bartletts father was a teacher, Bartlett was an economics professor, why does he have a farm, doesn't fit into the character arch.
Presidents usually purchase or own large plots of land so they can be "free" or "themselves" while remaining protected by the Secret Service. For example, current and ex-presidents are barred from driving their own vehicles on public roads for security reasons but not in their own land, so they usually purchase ranches so they're able to drive as much as they like. It also helps with safety from outside threats, both terrestrial or aerial (a mile above any (ex) president's head is considered a "no-fly zone"), or just overall privacy. Think of it as their presidential fortress of solitude, or presidential fortress, full-stop.
@@TheMeditorEditor He owned the farm long before he was president. @Andrew Johnston It was probably in his family for a long time. Even though both him & his father were educators, they might have had farming in their blood.
The Barletts were a privileged and highly-regarded New Hampshire family dating back to well before the Revolution, with both money and clout. It's not surprising.
Someone doesn't know their U.S. history. From North (John Adams) to South (Thomas Jefferson), the paragon of the American gentleman was an erudite, landed intellectual. One who could both conduct diplomacy with the sophisticates of Europe but also share a morning coffee with the farmer next door.
@@8fconsulting147 We had 4 years of Republicans worshiping one of the least worthy men America has ever produced. You can deal with our relief that a responsible adult is in charge again
Genuinely curious as to whether Bartlet would be allowed in such a wide open space like that. In the final shot, he's in sight range of snipers from about 100 different spots. Surely the secret service wouldn't allow him to be such a target?
@@kermitbohlen8401 A ranch like that is what, 400 ish acres? Which gives them 5km of perimeter to cover if they only occupy the edges of it. I'm willing to bet aren't fully manning every square inch of the countryside beyond the lake in that shot, because that would take hundreds if not thousands of agents to monitor. And using early 2000s technology, no, I'm willing to bet they couldn't cover all that land.
@@1532JJ They are probably patrolling it several times a day with dogs to find anyone crawling through in the undergrowth and then besides that it would just be monitoring a perimeter of less than a dozen miles. They'll find whatever limits make the most sense to monitor easily for the perimeter and then monitor those with agents and cameras and also leaning on local law enforcement (this part is underrated). And then yeah, there will be a risk. But less of a risk than one might think and also less of a risk than the President will sometimes randomly subject themselves to while on the campaign trail while making unscheduled stops or unscheduled interactions, or randomly choosing to stand around and talk with the crowd in much more built up areas.
@@lebojay Since the secret service was formed, 3 presidents have been assassinated, several more directly attacked and in this very show, Bartlet was almost killed in a shooting. So no, I don't think I am. I think it's more than possible to breach any US president's security ring and attack him.
Read sub zeros comment under Jun heceta comment. If most Americans could think this openmindedly, Americans could vote in ethical politicians who truly care about their constituents on both sides rather than the greed and corruption that is American politics.
The Republicans in this series are featured as mostly rational intelligent people who believe in democracy and the rule of law. A complete and utter misrepresentation.
The Democrats and every other US political party is shown to be rather good people, but with different points of view. Everybody in West Wing is unrealistic, in my opinion. Self-serving politicians almost don't exist in their universe, regardless of political allignment.
As a registered republican, at first your comment upset me. But instead of acting on my feelings, I took a minute to explore your thought. It’s fair. This was my favorite show and made me see the democrats on a different and favorable light. But for us to pretend more than a handful of people on either side have acted maturely or for voter benefit is blind. Poltiticians have successfully divided voters while perpetuating a fraud and false narrative behind closed doors.
I thought the conservatives were very realistic, at the time. Now, not so much. If they made the show now. Those conservatives would look like democrats in comparison.
@@atticuswalker8970 agreed. As much as the GOP depicted on the show seemed cartoonishly evil in comparison to the reality of the time, today's reality makes it seem downright quaint.
It most certainly did not. Royce, Bruno the congressman, Ainsley, Cliff, Walken, Vinick, were all portrayed as deeply moral, deeply committed people. They disagreed with Bartlet on some policy, but they were willing to work together to make good things happen. Off hand, the only conservatives that really looked like jerks were Lillienfield, who released the info about Leo having gone to rehab, and Gibson, who tried to bring up Leo's drunken stupor during his congressional hearing -- the hearing, by the way, where Bruno cut him off so Leo didn't have to suffer that embarrassment. If you think the show made conservatives look like "cold-hearted bastards," then you didn't understand the show.
Did the president just litter by throwing his cigarette on the ground? disgusting? would have thought he would have more respect for nature if he owned a farm.
Aaron Sorkin writes to make the average to below average intelligences from the left feel smart. It's not political, but I always remember that line from The Social Network movie where Zuckerberg tells the IT security guy, "If you had known what to look for, you would have seen it written on my dorm room window." ruclips.net/video/-Koj9hvcBMk/видео.htmlsi=hNi5pEL4hVlMLFfn&t=60 Like seriously, Sorkin? You think it's a "smart guy line" for someone to think that the person who runs Harvard's computer network is stupid for not seeing the ELO algorithm that a random college kid (Zuckerberg) wrote on his window in dry-erase marker???
@@troyzieman7177 Mediocre people like you assume that everyone else is also an underachiever who fakes to cover their mediocrity. That is your own narrow horizon. Don't project it onto those of us with an IQ higher than room temperature.
This farm is so out of character for the president. His past suggests that his entire childhood was centred around academia. His father was a head master. He grew up to be an economist. When was he a dairy farmer?
Josiah “Jed” Bartlet was the scion of a political family which, among other things, signed the Declaration of Independence and practically founded New Hampshire. The equivalent role would be if one of Augustus Washington’s descendants re-entered politics like their Uncle George did.
Once again, canonically, President Josiah Bartlet is a direct descendant of the Josiah Bartlett who signed the Declaration of Independence. It's very likely that the farm belonged to that Josiah Bartlett, and got inherited by subsequent generations. His father likely inherited it, and Jed inherited it. And given the money the Bartlet's had, his family likely paid people to handle the actual farming.
@@Egilhelmson it's so difficult to understand why people don't get this. He was from New Hampshire. His family practically founded the state. But no, he shouldn't have massive amounts of land in that state because he was an economist.
@@jasonkoch3182 You’re right. This effete, over-educated, latin speaking, bible quoting, economist looks right at home in this scene. It is clearly the place where he would go when he needed to clear his mind. There is no incongruity between the character as depicted in the show, and this guy sweatin’ down on the farm with his beat-up pickup truck and his blue jeans. Totally rings true.
Oh, sure... While this was airing, W and his ghouls were spouting lies about Iraq and WMDs. If anything, this show's representation of the Republicans was a GROTESQUE UNDERSTATEMENT.
I’d have to agree. Conservatives we’re presented as lucid, thoughtful, patriotic, empathetic and honourable. What would we have to do to create a series with a true perspective of the conservative position today? Alex Jones, Trump, Musk, gerrymandering, refusing to acknowledge presidential Supreme Court nominees when there is a democratic President but rushing them through when there is a republican one, endless disinformation and fear mongering, 400 school shootings since columbine and no desire to remove guns.
One of the very best shows ever to grace the Television. Hits home on so many levels. The depth of talent in the wonderful Cast. The astonishing writing; which pulls us through hoops, takes us to depths we seldom see on any other Drama. The twists and turns meant that the Episodes were over in a heartbeat. Breathtaking.
Nothing before or after ever bested this series. A phenomenal achievement. xx
Deadwood did.
MASH had the same impact. Perhaps more.
I like that in alot of scenes between Barlet and Leo, Leo seems to make distinctions between speaking to the President at moments, and then speaking to his old friend at other moments.
I like how Leo, though twice being taken aback by Bartlet's answers, doesn't loose this cool or not take the time to consider his replys.
This show was good when it was on TV... Thank you for sharing this scene.
Agreed. it was good when it was on tv. Now? eh...
@@GrandMasterFreshMpls Yes, now a days you can buy the series and watch that on your laptops or video players at home, on the airplane or in the airline membership lounges. I miss the finally show where CJ finally left the White House and was asked by a father with his daughter does she work there in the White house and CJ said "no", I don't work there. And keep on walking aways. So nice!!!
New Hampshire looks like Wales. Lush green rolling hills.
Martin and John look so handsome there!
Seriously, right??!!!….
"Leo, I'm running for reelection ... and I'm gonna win. Damn skippy, Mr. President!
As someone who used to live and work in Manchester, NH, it is very much a city. There's farmland on the periphery but it's funny how people from Hollywood imagine an idyllic pastural scene. Still, this was an amazing show!
Earlier in the series, they showed then candidate Bartlet & Leo in Manchester, walking out of a meeting. It’s not that Hollywood thinks Manchester is *only* idyllic pasture, it’s just where the scene is shot.
I never understood why Bartlet would live on a farm. It seems very consistent with him. He's not an outdoorsy type. He's an academic.
@@jcarr32s02 I assume it’s all generational family stuff up there. It’s written into the show that his family goes back to the original 13 colonies, etc. He lived on what they call a “farm”, and it probably did function that way to some degree (cattle, etc), but his dad wasn’t a farmer and neither was he, at least that I can remember from scenes in the show.
It would probably be more accurate if they would have said goffstown New Hampshire
The series is also a quarter century old. But yes, Hollywood is always going to go to extreme in its settings. That's the business ;)
Martin Sheen the coolest smoker around
For those wondering what they are talking about: RU 486 is the medical term for the abortion pill.
Leo is saying that the FDA is going to allow the abortion pill in the USA. And that's why the rightwing is going to go crazy, because people choosing to end a pregnancy is VERY political over there.
Yes, murder is very controversial here since that’s how a good number of Americans see it
It's ending a human life. At least it is to people who don't feel the need to wordplay or obfuscate terms to support their beliefs.
No one will realistically tell you that a fetus is not living. So it really comes down to the leftwing then arguing that a fetus is not a human. And thus the terms like "abort" and "fetus" and "choosing to end a pregnancy".
Before you judge me, you should know that I think abortion/the right to choose NOT to become a parent is good. My opinions are that a fetus is obviously a human and to admit that it's a human life being ended, but that doing so is ok because until later in the pregnancy it is a human life with virtually no awareness and so it isn't much worse than removing a no-brainwave coma patient from life support.
I think that potential fathers and mothers should have to "opt in" to indicate that they will care for a baby before they have parental requirements under the law. And that choice should be made early in the pregnancy. (And if the father chooses not to opt in, then the mother will know that and can make her own decision on whether to abort. And if the mother chooses not to opt in, she can either abort, or go through the adoption path.)
Also, it makes a lot of sense to me that the right of a 4-week fetus to not be killed is outweighed by the right of a person to choose NOT to become a parent. But after it's been months we're not talking about the rights of what is essentially a preemie to not be killed versus the "right" of a mother to put off that decision for 6-months.
@@SamBrickell
Tell that garbage to an incest victim.
Bartlett is 7 years older than Leo, yet Leo looks 7 years older.
The private property of a president is probably the only place they're allowed to drive themselves.
Obama was allowed to drive on the White House driveway.
Looks nothing like Manchester. For a start it isn't raining! 🤣🤣🤣
Agree, more like upstate or at least lakes region.
Why can't we have presidents like this
To have presidents like this, we have to have politicians that actually care about their constituents. That is, sadly, lacking in any measurable metric. The few that do show even a small amount of care are outliers.
@@rcslyman8929 Because members of Congress and Senate are more focused on reelection, raising the required wads of cash, and ensuring those who can influence others in meaningful ways are in their corner.
The smart self interests donate to both sides, so they have leverage regardless of who is elected.
George Carlin had great insight during many of his talks and would now say even more "see... I told you so. "
LOL because no one writes a script for the actual presidency 🙃
@aqasaw234 there is an entire section of staff specifically to write speeches, and brief on talking points.
The Former Guy rarely heeded those as he always thinks he is the smartest one in the room. You could see the eye rolls, sighs, and heads drop when Drumph went adlib without reconciling it to the original messaging.
@@aqasaw234 tag for above reply
The dude calls the capital KHAN-CORD its more like Conkerd... just saying.. 59 years living here...
I've never got this, Bartletts father was a teacher, Bartlett was an economics professor, why does he have a farm, doesn't fit into the character arch.
Presidents usually purchase or own large plots of land so they can be "free" or "themselves" while remaining protected by the Secret Service. For example, current and ex-presidents are barred from driving their own vehicles on public roads for security reasons but not in their own land, so they usually purchase ranches so they're able to drive as much as they like. It also helps with safety from outside threats, both terrestrial or aerial (a mile above any (ex) president's head is considered a "no-fly zone"), or just overall privacy. Think of it as their presidential fortress of solitude, or presidential fortress, full-stop.
@@TheMeditorEditor He owned the farm long before he was president.
@Andrew Johnston It was probably in his family for a long time. Even though both him & his father were educators, they might have had farming in their blood.
The Barletts were a privileged and highly-regarded New Hampshire family dating back to well before the Revolution, with both money and clout. It's not surprising.
Someone doesn't know their U.S. history. From North (John Adams) to South (Thomas Jefferson), the paragon of the American gentleman was an erudite, landed intellectual. One who could both conduct diplomacy with the sophisticates of Europe but also share a morning coffee with the farmer next door.
the show was very inconsistent -- he has a family heirloom knife made by Paul Revere
I often think had Arnie Vinnick challenged Jed instead of Rob Richie - there is no way Jed could have won.
Cor Blimey Leo check out this new band called Oasis!
The *GREATEST* show in the _history_ of television.
MASH was the same for an earlier generation.
@@SN-sz7kw , i am that earlier generation. M*A*S*H was great for its time. but TWW is wayyy gooder
Why can’t America have President like Jeb Bartlett, why can’t Biden be ten years younger.
Biden could be 40 years younger; he'll never be half the President this fictional one was.
Oh please give it a rest with the pro Biden nonsense…….
Because Millennials would rather TikTok than vote
@@8fconsulting147 We had 4 years of Republicans worshiping one of the least worthy men America has ever produced. You can deal with our relief that a responsible adult is in charge again
i think you mean 20
Genuinely curious as to whether Bartlet would be allowed in such a wide open space like that. In the final shot, he's in sight range of snipers from about 100 different spots. Surely the secret service wouldn't allow him to be such a target?
You honestly think the Secret Service doesn't have every inch of that territory reconned and covered 24/7 out to a mile away?...
@@kermitbohlen8401 A ranch like that is what, 400 ish acres? Which gives them 5km of perimeter to cover if they only occupy the edges of it. I'm willing to bet aren't fully manning every square inch of the countryside beyond the lake in that shot, because that would take hundreds if not thousands of agents to monitor. And using early 2000s technology, no, I'm willing to bet they couldn't cover all that land.
@@1532JJ They are probably patrolling it several times a day with dogs to find anyone crawling through in the undergrowth and then besides that it would just be monitoring a perimeter of less than a dozen miles. They'll find whatever limits make the most sense to monitor easily for the perimeter and then monitor those with agents and cameras and also leaning on local law enforcement (this part is underrated).
And then yeah, there will be a risk. But less of a risk than one might think and also less of a risk than the President will sometimes randomly subject themselves to while on the campaign trail while making unscheduled stops or unscheduled interactions, or randomly choosing to stand around and talk with the crowd in much more built up areas.
You underestimate the Secret Service’s ability to protect the President.
@@lebojay Since the secret service was formed, 3 presidents have been assassinated, several more directly attacked and in this very show, Bartlet was almost killed in a shooting. So no, I don't think I am. I think it's more than possible to breach any US president's security ring and attack him.
God bless Cancun senator Ted Cruz
tv character is smoking...
Read sub zeros comment under Jun heceta comment. If most Americans could think this openmindedly, Americans could vote in ethical politicians who truly care about their constituents on both sides rather than the greed and corruption that is American politics.
Americans can't vote in those kinds of politicians because the specifics of our government is poorly designed.
The Republicans in this series are featured as mostly rational intelligent people who believe in democracy and the rule of law. A complete and utter misrepresentation.
Come on … left and far right are both nut jobs. Focus on the center.
And Democrats featured as rational people instead of full blown radical Marxists. So there you go...
The Democrats and every other US political party is shown to be rather good people, but with different points of view.
Everybody in West Wing is unrealistic, in my opinion. Self-serving politicians almost don't exist in their universe, regardless of political allignment.
It was more accurate then than it is now, unfortunately
As a registered republican, at first your comment upset me. But instead of acting on my feelings, I took a minute to explore your thought. It’s fair.
This was my favorite show and made me see the democrats on a different and favorable light. But for us to pretend more than a handful of people on either side have acted maturely or for voter benefit is blind. Poltiticians have successfully divided voters while perpetuating a fraud and false narrative behind closed doors.
It did make conservatives look like cold-hearted bastards, but it sure was a great fictional show
I thought the conservatives were very realistic, at the time. Now, not so much. If they made the show now. Those conservatives would look like democrats in comparison.
@@atticuswalker8970 agreed. As much as the GOP depicted on the show seemed cartoonishly evil in comparison to the reality of the time, today's reality makes it seem downright quaint.
Conservatives make conservatives look like cold-hearted bastards.
It most certainly did not. Royce, Bruno the congressman, Ainsley, Cliff, Walken, Vinick, were all portrayed as deeply moral, deeply committed people. They disagreed with Bartlet on some policy, but they were willing to work together to make good things happen. Off hand, the only conservatives that really looked like jerks were Lillienfield, who released the info about Leo having gone to rehab, and Gibson, who tried to bring up Leo's drunken stupor during his congressional hearing -- the hearing, by the way, where Bruno cut him off so Leo didn't have to suffer that embarrassment.
If you think the show made conservatives look like "cold-hearted bastards," then you didn't understand the show.
Did the president just litter by throwing his cigarette on the ground? disgusting? would have thought he would have more respect for nature if he owned a farm.
Worse. He put it out in his coffee.
Its some of the most pretentious writing on tv . I cant stand Aaron Sorkin. Its the moral superiority that oozes in his holier than thou characters
Go find videos of Larry the Cable Guy, then. Nobody is forcing you to watch this.
Aaron Sorkin writes to make the average to below average intelligences from the left feel smart.
It's not political, but I always remember that line from The Social Network movie where Zuckerberg tells the IT security guy, "If you had known what to look for, you would have seen it written on my dorm room window."
ruclips.net/video/-Koj9hvcBMk/видео.htmlsi=hNi5pEL4hVlMLFfn&t=60
Like seriously, Sorkin? You think it's a "smart guy line" for someone to think that the person who runs Harvard's computer network is stupid for not seeing the ELO algorithm that a random college kid (Zuckerberg) wrote on his window in dry-erase marker???
It’s why so many loved it. It portrayed an imperfect, yet higher standard.
@@SN-sz7kw it projected human beings as a facade of what they really are
@@troyzieman7177 Mediocre people like you assume that everyone else is also an underachiever who fakes to cover their mediocrity. That is your own narrow horizon. Don't project it onto those of us with an IQ higher than room temperature.
This farm is so out of character for the president. His past suggests that his entire childhood was centred around academia. His father was a head master. He grew up to be an economist. When was he a dairy farmer?
Josiah “Jed” Bartlet was the scion of a political family which, among other things, signed the Declaration of Independence and practically founded New Hampshire. The equivalent role would be if one of Augustus Washington’s descendants re-entered politics like their Uncle George did.
Once again, canonically, President Josiah Bartlet is a direct descendant of the Josiah Bartlett who signed the Declaration of Independence. It's very likely that the farm belonged to that Josiah Bartlett, and got inherited by subsequent generations. His father likely inherited it, and Jed inherited it. And given the money the Bartlet's had, his family likely paid people to handle the actual farming.
@@Egilhelmson it's so difficult to understand why people don't get this. He was from New Hampshire. His family practically founded the state. But no, he shouldn't have massive amounts of land in that state because he was an economist.
@@jasonkoch3182 You’re right. This effete, over-educated, latin speaking, bible quoting, economist looks right at home in this scene. It is clearly the place where he would go when he needed to clear his mind. There is no incongruity between the character as depicted in the show, and this guy sweatin’ down on the farm with his beat-up pickup truck and his blue jeans. Totally rings true.
Jed contains multitudes.
I hate to say it but I was not a fan of this show. it grossly misrepresented the conservative position.
Watch the later seasons. Acting President Walden (John Goodman) is strong,,while Vinick (Alan Alda) is solid for a full season.
How did misrepresent the conservative position?
Do you also dislike Bond movies for their misrepresentation of agents? It was and is an excellent show
Oh, sure... While this was airing, W and his ghouls were spouting lies about Iraq and WMDs. If anything, this show's representation of the Republicans was a GROTESQUE UNDERSTATEMENT.
I’d have to agree. Conservatives we’re presented as lucid, thoughtful, patriotic, empathetic and honourable. What would we have to do to create a series with a true perspective of the conservative position today? Alex Jones, Trump, Musk, gerrymandering, refusing to acknowledge presidential Supreme Court nominees when there is a democratic President but rushing them through when there is a republican one, endless disinformation and fear mongering, 400 school shootings since columbine and no desire to remove guns.