Overclocking Cache Ratio, How can you tell if its stable?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2020
- Overclocking your ring ratio can be an extremely frustrating and tricky process, this is what i've been doing for a couple years now to save myself time, I call it, the "frame chasers special"if you guys want more of these tips and tricks to help you in your frame chasing journey, join the community below
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That Fortnite cache/memory check is brilliant. Thanks.
Man, this video needs more views. Much more informative and clear than other videos, kudos.
Madlad is benching with fuckin fortnite
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One of the best OC computer ideas I have ran into on RUclips👍
Very smart Ideas!!! Thanks so much for these tips much appreciated and subscribed for the way you explain things very clearly.... 💯😉👍
Something really interesting happened today. Yesterday I copied your video and raised the cache to 48 had no problems. Today I took my 3070 back to the store because I didn't think 8gb of video ram will be enough in future. So I started my computer with no gpu and it wouldn't boot. I eventually found out that it was the cache it was too high. So it basically worked fine with my 3070 but didn't boot with the Intel graphics. Hopefully this might help someone with the same problem 👍
Enabling iGPU has been known to make overclocks less stable, specially ring ratio overclocks
OMG, been working on sqeezing out my max uncore OC, and this is such a fast and reliable way to test.
damn this is one of the best overclocking videos here in youtube. i am currently on an i5 7600k and was getting crashes when my cache is at 4.7gh - lowered it down to 4.5 and it is now stable ❤
Insane test technique. I am overclocking my eam at the moment, after I saw your Warzone ram speed video. Started at 16-16-16-36 TRFC 631 3600Mhz 1,35V and I am now at 16-16-16-33 TRFC 300 4000Mhz 1,45V with my Samsung B-Dies, still testing. First run TM5 was successfull.
Will try this in the next days. First I try to boot 4200 CL17, that didn't work before. Maybe I soften some timings for first tests if the Kit / CPU can achieve the speed.
You don’t know how much this helped me! I had what I thought was a stable OC at core 50 and ring ratio 47 but when I would play games it would stutter and feel delayed. I went crazy trying to figure out what the issue was. I even went back to stock and was having these same issues. It wasn’t until I saw this video that I tried lowering my ring ratio that I knew what the issue was. I had to lower my ring ratio to 42. I tested using fortnite lobby screen and BOOM stable frame rates in the high 300’s! I noticed if I tighten the timings of my ram frames start dropping again. I wonder is ring ration/cpu cache frequencies are linked to ram timings? Anyway thank you so much for your help on this!
This dude saved my life. Even if I am playing with i7 7700k in 2022 this video has saved me . Dude you are a genius!!!
Gonna try this right now
I been having so much trouble with my system, especially since I'm new to manual overclocking, I think this is going to help me tremendously
I just hope that 4x8 dominator kit I got with all them pretty lights will actually run at xmp, and I don't gotta down clock it ..
Epic capped the lobby FPS to 120 now, so this test no longer works.
EDIT: I think you can still achieve the same thing by loading into an exploration creative map and just standing still.
You can uncap the lobby fps by editing a config file within the Fortnitegame folder in Appdata/Local/.
This video saved my ass back in the day
Unreal dude thank you so much ❤😢
Pretty decent Test, thanks for that :)
Brand new to overclocking. I have an i7 4790K as well. Your tip on not overclocking the cache past 4.4/4.5 answered a big question for me. I had my OC at 4.6 ghz for the core and the cache. It seemed stable but while in a game it froze with an obnoxious sound. Had to hard reboot then set the cache back to 4.0 ghz. No problems after that. But now I would like to get it up to 4.8-4.9 ghz on the core and try 4.4 ghz on the cache. I think I have the headroom wrt temps and voltage. Any advice would be appreciated! :)
It doesn't work for Alder Lake, though. Pushed my cache to 5066 and the drops while booting where from like 570ish to 490, sometimes 280, and after the os loaded all its' stuff they were gone completely. 5200 wouldn't even boot but thats because my cores are at 5200 and having both at the same speeds, or the cache above the cores, doesn't work in general.
How do one test for Alder Lake cache misses ?
The Aida cache stability test doesn't find errors, but Prime95 small FFT's gives me rounding errors as soon as I hit start. Lowering the cache speed makes that go away, but is it fully stable then? I haven't seen viable reports of people stating that their cache reaches 5+ GHz easily, not even with Raptor Lake.
Ty to you I managed to get an old 7700k at estable 5.1Ghz with cache at 4.7 and Voltaje at 1.340 ty
So what are you supposed to do with older chips that have the core/cache tied together??
I used this tip to check my cache on my 4790k recently. My fps could only go to 400-422 but definitely maintained mid to high 300s with the odd high 265ish and very rare flicker of 150ish but never below that.
One thing that interested me - and I'm still new to ocing- is that when my ram was unstable from overclocking 1866 10 11 10 30 to 2200 10 12 12 34 (got 1 memory error in hci memtest at 150% on one thread, while the rest cleared 300%+)... I lowered my cache down to 4.0 from 4.1. I used Aida memory bench and Cinebench to quickly see if anything noticeable changed because Uncore does extremely little apparently on Devils Canyon, and observed lower reads and higher latency with a wide variance, and cinebench scores were lower avg and wide variance compared to pre ram oc - and when initially going back to 4.0 stock and auto volts, I bsod'd in Cinebench which never happened before at stock, the only difference was RAM OC.
Upping the cache voltage, under the impression it was secretly unstable like the Fortnite tip reveals, from 1.2, 1.21, 1.22 yielded increased avgs, tighter variance, and less latency. By 1.22 5 passes of Cinebench were all 5200+, and Aida was very close (albeit lower - 31.6 to 32.2 53.5 latency vs 31.9 to 32.X 49-51 latency) to the original 4.1 uncore @ above ram speeds.
I haven't gone back to test HCI yet, but it seemed that with the ram overclock, 4.1 uncore 1.21v was secretly unstable, and 4.0 1.21 was still unstable and needed 1.22 now (and could no longer run Auto). Fortnite also became noticeably smoother gameplay!
Sorry for tldr, but I hope I help someone digging into OCing cache and ram, especially for Haswell/DC/DDR3!
I also noticed remarkable improvements to cinebench score and latency by doing VCCIO 1.22 and VCCSA 1.064 (ish) vs 1.152 on each. That's where I finally saw significant and consistent improvements from nudging my already oc'd 2133mhz ram to 2200mhz. (Reads were higher as it should be, but quite varied, sometimes lowering down to original 2133. After those voltage adjustments was when I got 31.9-32.X every aida64 memory benchmark and 49-51 latency. This was still at 4.1 uncore 1.21v and was when it was actually unstable in memtest too, prior to the uncore dropping and volt increase. So it's possible that if I fed 4.1 uncore like 1.25 or 1.26v, under the teachings of THIS video, that it may be slightly higher or tighter variance! But I get +1C degree just jumping from 1.21 to 1.22
... my main takeaway or point here I guess in hopes someone might find it useful in the future is that if there's memtest ram instability.. maybe check out your uncore and voltage. It might not fix the instability, but it appears ram OC impacts cache/cache voltage. It MAY also explain why I had a random watchdog bsod gaming.
This is really helpful. I'm enjoying (mostly) slowly understanding how these things work.. Thanks again man
Should the cache overclock always be 400 mhz apart from the core? Can't it be less for the 4790k?
Hmm i dont see cache voltage on 13700k uefi asus bios is it named something diffrent? Because i just need a littlebit more voltage.
Does it work the same way with 8-9 gen intel chips?I spent hours trying to figure out this crap with my 8700k
Things I learn from you man.....
These are the type of bugs that I feel sometimes when I mess something up with ram or cache, but very few people can ever replicate or form a test for. Are there other methods like this? Does this still work?
I have an r5 5600. I can’t get the frames to stay stable. Any advice?
I have the same cpu like you have, but I try to make it work on Valorant. I want to have more fps, changing the core frequency doesn't increase the fps, I even downclocked to see if it gets worse. My friend has a CPU with more cache memory but less core frequency and Valorant has more fps than me. So I'm thinking on overclocking the cache.
CPU core and cache voltage are combined on modern CPU's aren't they?
You're a god mane
i increased cache/ring voltage, i lowered the e core Mhz, nothing works, FPS still goes down from 600 down to 100-300fps
where can i contact you to get your help?
FrameChasers.org/consulting
Prime 95 small FFTs will tell you if the cache is stable. With cache you never want to run anything if you are unstable. Its an easy way to get lots of data corruption very quickly. It can take days before you start to see issues, by then you will have to redownload half your game because of data corruption.
is this still a good way of doing it?
my 9900k refuses 4.4 but its running at 1.225v with all core 4.7 and 2 core 5ghz.
Can you please revisit Ring and cache for LGA1700?
Any new test for this?
4800mhz 1.7v on the DIMMs, nice! Lol
I’m curious what the timings were..
I have a 10700k overclock at 5ghz all core at 1.36 very stable and cool, ram at 4000mhz, but as soon as I go over 43 ratio with a Z490-A Prime motherboard, I can see the drop happening in Fortine. At 43 again, it's stable but I only can get 350 fps (stable with up and down fps) and in your video, you go over 500fps. Graphic card 3080 Asus TUF OC is also overclocked and can reach 2035mhz non stop running also around 60C, which is pretty cool. I am not too sure how to get that kind of FPS, it's seems about 30% more on your end with your setup.
One funny thing I found about cache oc: if I run intel xtu stress test it doesn't crash or freeze,but after playing some games for a while and doing xtu test again my pc bsods almost immediately.Wtf is actually going on
Fortnite framecaps the menu to 120 now, does that mean this test does not apply anymore?
Any way if i can do this on ryzen cpus? I cant seem to find the cpu cache section in my bios
Might be labelled as “Ring Ratio”
Jufes, how to OC cache in Z490 Unify if cache core voltage cannot be changed individually?
@@thecatdaddy1981 Thank you! Appreciate your help. I'll increase it in small increments and test on OCCT to check stability.
@MarshalMusk Sure, but I am no expert on this matter. I had a "cache freeze" today myself (where the PC freezes completely and you have to hold the power button to shut it off). Granted it took pushing my room temp to 29C while playing Days Gone to cause it. I was testing to see how high my GPU temps would go. I had vccio at 1.25v with 4.7ghz cache, while I hear from a few people that my vccio probably was too low. Gonna try it at 1.28-1.30 for a few days and see if it happens again. But it could also be one of my tertiary timings being too tight, there is one group of them which also can cause system freezes. It's gonna take some experimenting to find out exactly what caused this freeze I had today. Either way, on Skylake/Comet Lake, cache is affected by vcore and vccio as far as I know. Overclocked ram and tightened timings might also make the cache unstable. It all ties together, which is why figuring out the exact cause of any instability here is tricky.
@@thecatdaddy1981 that's a typical cache overclock failure. It happened to me too.
I just found out that my 10850k cannot do 3x cache speed under my clock speed (5Gb on CPU, 47x Ring/cache/uncore). I had o decrease to 46x then I got it stable.
To make cache stable, you can decrease cache or increase cpu voltage (unless you're not limited to your limit temperature)
Gold! Just discovered I have a cache instability on my 9900k oc
Fortnite caps it to 120 in lobby?
@15:56 still laughing at his "Tongue Twister" and he STILL got it wrong omg epic, even when he says "OOF! That was Rough.." its like ok i F it up lets move on lol
Edit: had to come back and type it "...so you know WHAT you did last WAS... WHAT... WAS... the thing ya did wrong". FYI I think he meant "so you know the last thing you did was wrong".
Tested this with my 13900K. Seems to be stable at 5Ghz cause my "low" FPS never dip below 900 while my high FPS is also around 1k. Thanks a lor for this video.
What ring voltage do you use? On my 13700k 5ghz isnt stable on auto but i dont know what to set my voltage to. It can go between 0.9 and 1.1
@@Ranger-fb6wh did you figure it out?
@@IDK-gh4st no, i couldnt get it stable with good performance, so i used an msi automatic adjustment feature that worked very well
That's a neat trick. Is it still relevant? I.e.: does Fortnite still work as a benchmark?
i have an msi bios click bios 5 how can i find cpu cache voltage ?
MAN UR SAVING ME LOVE YOU FROM FRANCE
Where did you found it i have an msi and i cant find it
Why not leave cache to auto?
Fortnite capped fps to 120 in menu 😪
Last of Us pc can make a cache error pop up so fast in hw64 when it's building shaders
omg so this could be the issue i been having all this time? i have 240hz monitor but csgo feels like 60-120hz even with 500fps in game, my specs are 14900k, 4090.
No that’s a different issue, join the discord for fix
could you link discord invite?@@FrameChasers
Could PBO on amd 5600x cause these lows?
also curious about this
Unfortunately Fortnite has capped FPS to 120 in menu. This is regarding you have it to unlimited. I have a 10900k and with cache oc or stock the ingame behaves the same. In the lobby with lots activty and I turn around fast it can drop to 50 in the down or up ... this is with 3-400 fps+ So I dont know if its possible to verify anymore in Fortnite.. Because in the lobby it dosent look like its working.
You can uncap the lobby fps by editing a config file within the Fortnitegame folder in Appdata/Local/.
@@dimitry7182 Oh really? I didn't knew that.. im gonna look into that.. but not before my new rig is complete in about 1-1.5 month.. I am receiving my 4090 tomorrow though ..
@@dimitry7182 thanks man. Also, I found you have to set it to a number, as "unlimited" doesn't work so I just did "2000".
this is the first ive seen with 0 dislikes that is atleast 1 month old
Ok I need to add fortnite to my test suite now. really good advise.
WHAT IF A HAVE 120fps [↓120↑120] like it is block`s at 120 fps ...
Yup I’m stuck at 120 as well
Any other way to test?
It's normal cuz epic just set the max fps in menu to 120 fps
What if you do not like playing Fortnite?
Well, it's a little weird. My 5960X froze once while editing videos with the ring ratio at 44. This was like november of last year I think. So I lowered it to 43 and kept it there since and never froze again. Just to see if I would get these FPS spikes I tried 44 ring in fortnite, but it didn't happen. The FPS hung just over 1000, lows were in the 700-900 range, my frametime graph was flat. I will try this fortnite trick more in the future though. Then again you mentioned temperatures affect cache stability, and video editing pushes my CPU temp way more than running this game. Interesting stuff regardless lol.
Back when you used to and *could* share your OC secrets without them being STOLEN in 4.4 seconds!
Is cache the same as ring ratio?
yes
this is such a cool tip, heres a comment & +thumb to get it more views :D
Well shit... now I have to install fortnite
we have quick one... video is almost 20 mins. I'ma do a quick reboot... takes him 10 secs to hit restart. lol
is called FPS 1% , and that type of lag is called lag spike :P
It's called a frametime spikes i.e. a sudden frametime increase for a part of a second which feels as a stutter/hiccup.Fps counter doesn't always indicate this kind of stutter.You can have perfectly stable X frames, but unstable frametime graph