This is the third part of my series about the new Behringer 369-KT Neve 33609 clone with a blindtest comparing the hardware against the UAD33609 plugin.
A is the plugin, B is hardware, the Behringer does not only roll off slightly in the high end, but there's a difference in transient response, the high end transient response seems to get a bit smeared.
I like A much better. Someone else is saying they hope its A thats the hardware. I hope A is the software coz then I can save a ton of money and space!
I understand that people want to compare this with whatever a 33609 supposed to sound but the fact is that no analog hardware unit sounds exactly the same. Just like no plugin emulation will sound exactly the same. In the end it’s a tool that we use or don’t use that’s what matters. If you can use it in your workflow then it can be a great tool, if you expect it to sound like the original then I wish you good luck because a 500,- piece of equipment will never sound like the 3600,- original. I don’t think that is the idea behind it either but having a decent bus-compressor with stepped pots and dual mono options is for this money an absolute dealbreaker. I ordered one to try it out myself and if I like it, then it will stay. I mix on an analog desk so I have a lot of outboard gear. If I was working itb then I would probably not buy it yet and awaiting some extra reviews to decide. Don’t expect wonders for this amount of money but a useful tool is more than welcome.
Not enough of a difference to even be able to say one is better than the other, only that one is (ever so slightly) different. I think I’ll be picking one up.
Hard to really compare these like-for-like because for the hardware we have to go through several amp stages to and from the unit. This all adds character. So if you measured the round-trip signal out of the DAW into analog and back again without the Neve, then applied that additional colour in-the-box THEN you'd have a good comparison :) Tricky world. Example A obviously has more low end, but how much of this is due to the Neve hardware and how much is due to the rest of the electronics in the loop.
@PROJECT-de9pd the point is you are full of bs Adda convertors don't degrade audio anymore unless its a poor unit Please try again if you think this is even an issue anymore Plenty of people use hard ware to mix with great results coming in and out of the computer Tldr: stop crying old man
I think B is Behringer, I can hear the compressor working, sample A... sounds typical for VST compression Of course, I could be wrong, but sample A sounds "too digitally even" ....but if sample A is Behringer, I buy it ikona Zweryfikowane przez społeczność
The limiter is to catch hard high level transients without raising the flower of the material, the compressor can more gently raise program material.. this was used as leveling compressor earlier before being used more for drums - which is obviously its best use case. Specifically kick snare separately one on one channel one on the other, mono. Toms are great as well but would rather use a manley labs varimu, or 670 (also varimu)
A is hardware..... (I hope) Thanks for doing this btw.
A is without a doubt hardware. Can tell by the transient response, low end extension -and the overall "organic" excitement of the compression itself
Both sound very good. I have the plugin from UAD and Antelope Audio, I don’t think I need the hardware.
I like the sound of A much better. I am guessing it is the hardware.
I think A could be the UAD and B is the Behringer but I hope Im wrong. If im wrong im gonna buy a behringer for sure cause A sounds better to me.
A is the plugin, B is hardware, the Behringer does not only roll off slightly in the high end, but there's a difference in transient response, the high end transient response seems to get a bit smeared.
A and b sound very similar on the top end but B sounds like if it had a high pass filter because it looses low end.
I like A much better. Someone else is saying they hope its A thats the hardware. I hope A is the software coz then I can save a ton of money and space!
I understand that people want to compare this with whatever a 33609 supposed to sound but the fact is that no analog hardware unit sounds exactly the same. Just like no plugin emulation will sound exactly the same. In the end it’s a tool that we use or don’t use that’s what matters. If you can use it in your workflow then it can be a great tool, if you expect it to sound like the original then I wish you good luck because a 500,- piece of equipment will never sound like the 3600,- original. I don’t think that is the idea behind it either but having a decent bus-compressor with stepped pots and dual mono options is for this money an absolute dealbreaker. I ordered one to try it out myself and if I like it, then it will stay. I mix on an analog desk so I have a lot of outboard gear. If I was working itb then I would probably not buy it yet and awaiting some extra reviews to decide. Don’t expect wonders for this amount of money but a useful tool is more than welcome.
Exactly 👍
the Navy Comp with Acustica Audio pretty much sound pretty much idetical to Berringer
100% sure A is hardware. B sounds just like my Arturia comp which I have A/B them before.
Not enough of a difference to even be able to say one is better than the other, only that one is (ever so slightly) different. I think I’ll be picking one up.
Hard to really compare these like-for-like because for the hardware we have to go through several amp stages to and from the unit. This all adds character. So if you measured the round-trip signal out of the DAW into analog and back again without the Neve, then applied that additional colour in-the-box THEN you'd have a good comparison :) Tricky world. Example A obviously has more low end, but how much of this is due to the Neve hardware and how much is due to the rest of the electronics in the loop.
I would be very surprised if my Apollo X8 line amp introduced a resonance peak like this at 20Hz.
Do you have a point?
@PROJECT-de9pd the point is you are full of bs
Adda convertors don't degrade audio anymore unless its a poor unit
Please try again if you think this is even an issue anymore
Plenty of people use hard ware to mix with great results coming in and out of the computer
Tldr: stop crying old man
A is the Harware but the difference is minimal, I would go with Stam Audio or Nebula or Acustica Audio over either of these
Can you do another test? Put the two on top of each other and switch the phase, please. 🙏
I tried a null test but it didn't reveal great secrets - except that the units didn't null ;)
Auf jeden Fall danke schon mal für deine Videos. Welcher war den jetzt A und B? Oder hast du das gesagt
@@jerrylefunk5402Mach ich die Tage :)
A sounded better. If A is hardware I’m buying one tomorrow.
I think B is Behringer, I can hear the compressor working, sample A... sounds typical for VST compression Of course, I could be wrong, but sample A sounds "too digitally even" ....but if sample A is Behringer, I buy it
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A is the hardware, lots of low end thump, i'm guessing because their is no sidechain filter on the hardware.
A is Hardware, If not, the plugin sounds better than hardware (in this case)
I don’t like either or rather they both do things I don’t like. But I would say A was Behringer B was plugin.
Cmon say the answer
A: Hardware, B: Plugin
I hope B is the plugin 🤞
big diffecnce in the attack, sure the setting are the same? B sounds like the attack is quicker..
Settings are the same. The units don's behave exactly the same - just as one would expect.
I still don't understand why the limiter is before the compressor.
The limiter is to catch hard high level transients without raising the flower of the material, the compressor can more gently raise program material.. this was used as leveling compressor earlier before being used more for drums - which is obviously its best use case. Specifically kick snare separately one on one channel one on the other, mono. Toms are great as well but would rather use a manley labs varimu, or 670 (also varimu)
@@zxcvbnmmificationno. Limiter is after the comp in a 33609.
I dear you to include the Nebula Version...LOL...by Alex B Engieneering
Hammerstein plots would be appreciated!
Nice video otherwise
Plugin doctor doesn't matter so much , carefully listening is the best way
I would have thought using a utility would be far more accurate than unreliable human ears.
It did help to calibrate the setup.
A All Day.
Prefer A. (On this source, at least.)
A is the hardware or at least to me it sounds louder more bottom end.
After watching the plugin doctor bit i may be completely wrong as a sounded like it had a slower release. Either way i prefer A.
B is the Plugin?
A sounded better, more low end thump and slightly less aggressive.
A stomps all over B.
I guess A is hardware
Hardware: A - Plugin: B. A has much more low end for me.
A = hardware
B is B
A is hardware... Sounds like
A hardware and I like a
You need to set them the same to make any sense
That´s what I did actually.
@@christophk3078 well then the values of the behringer are way off....😂 that's even got some double meaning
A = Harware
They sound the same to me
They aren't even on the same settings
A UAD
A hardware
A sounds better
they both over compressed......so sounds bad anyway than original ...
I totally agree! If something, the Behringer was more constipated
A UAD SOUNDS BETTER
A hardware