She deserves every bad thing that happens to her. She treated Mark so badly and lied to Pauline saying that she would never go back to Phil and not an hour later, she asked Phil to go and get Lou. Mark should have known that he couldn't trust her. The lazy git hadn't worked since she lost her job as the market inspector.
Lisa was looking for an excuse to go back to Phil and leave Mark. The rape attempt by Mark was just the excuse she needed to leave him. This obviously back fired when Phil treated her like dirt. She basically shot herself in the foot leaving Mark.
Having watched quite a lot of the old Eastender’s episodes the level of thought going into the story lines just shows what a great job the writers and actors done. It was compelling. The fact that people like you still hold strong emotions years on confirms that. I also have a different viewpoint to Phil’s character. I once viewed him as an angry thumb who seem to row with everyone - which is true lol - but his actions are reactive to insane shit going on around him. In his early days, he was peacemaker to Grant’s madness but gradually grew into the hard man role. So much madness has happened to him that his character really should’ve had shorter shelf life as he is now stale and to the point parody. All of the ‘villains’ who he has feuded with over the years came and went which was best thing to do when wanting to keep the show fresh and realistic.
Yeah I was thinking that, excalty it's treibble... I was looking for a comment like yours or one that was about what am thinking. I was feeling sorry for him before he tried to rape Lisa. After that I have to say I lost sympathy for him. His been through ALOT & didn't deserve it at all, but that doesn't mean he has to force himself upon her!. There is alot of things he can do to get this anger out, (like when he smashed the mirror). He can throw things across the room, and so on, rape is not one of them. Lisa may have done so many REALLY horrible things to him and treated him badly like dirt but she didn't deserve to be raped because of all that.
At least he didn't go through with it and stopped himself - I was shocked that he went that far but given that Phil practically terrorized him earlier....that's not an excuse of course...but it's clear that Mark was close to a breakdown.
Mark was too nice, deserved someone like him, doesn't make other kinds of people bad either but they are too cunning for nice people, that's life eh, Mark fowler 🌹
It gave Phil no pleasure doing what he did to Mark. It was sadly just a case of him being the one in the way of getting his kid back. He used to actually be good friends with all The Fowlers in the 90s.
Life's so much more bearable when you treat it like the joke it is, Mark!!!!! You should've poured that alcohol over your head, and started laughing uncontrollably!!!!!
@@princessvictory3735 Phil killed a person in a fire, terrorised his mum with his alcoholism, hit many women including his mum, physically attacked many people, committed adultery with his brother's wife, savagely beat up young adults, such as Jamie, need I go on?????? He also hit Ben when he was in his single digit years, and tried to pervert the course of justice by covering up a murder committed by Ben.
@@mahreenmunir7702 so true .Mark was treated appallingy. It was disgusting the way Lisa treated him .she was an ungreatful moaner/ whiner who got treated the same way she treated and knew what it felt like to be treated like dirt and stabbed in the back
Even after all it was revealed that Louise wasn't his he still decided he wanted her but as usual whatever bad boy Phil wants bad boy Phil gets, don't condone what Mark fowler almost did to Lisa was wrong of him but it was quite cut clear the guy was in the middle of a breakdown after having his heart destroyed yet again
@@Thecrows_eye how did i answer my own question, lots of bad stuff can happen to good people and good stuff happen to bad people. Im just curious of what got into Lisa's mind to do that !🙄
STEJTHEGREATEST Mark knew he had HIV, that was the difference between her sleeping with Phil. Phil and Lisa weren't knowingly putting each other at risk.
@@msmilano7091 Phil knew he didn't really wanna be with Lisa, but it didn't stop him from getting her hopes up, sleeping with her, pretending to play happy families with her. Plus, there was the chance Phil's alcoholism could've worn off on Lisa, or that beatings from the violent Phil could've traumatised her.
Lisa was vile. She knew he never loved her but still chose Phil over Mark. Phil was actually better than her by giving Mark the chance to say bye to Louise. Mark didn't mean to hurt Lisa but when he saw how Lisa had duped him, going between him and Phil, he snapped thinking he'd been so nice and that was what he'd got. Lisa deserved what Phil did to her. He lied he loved her to get Louise. It was like when grant stayed with Tiffany just to have Courtney. Everyone rightly turned on Lisa. It wasn't because she didn't love Mark. It was because she used him. And when Phil and Peggy used her she had the nerve to want Mark to save her after makimg him give Louise up. Pauline told her Louise was nothing to do with him anymore
@Speak-my Mind-Ibiza how was he? The guy had a family then finds out a piece of dirt like Phil Mitchell had slept with the woman he loves and had the baby, then Lisa goes on playing happy families with Mark more or less telling him she wants them to bring up the kid together just to be cheated on again with the same guy I'd be on the verge of a mental breakdown if I was Mark, doesn't excuse what he tried to do but clear in evident that his mind was clearly not there and his heart had well an truly been destroyed, and same with keeping louise away from her biological dad hell I don't blame him, who would want a thug like Phil Mitchell raising a kid good on him is all I say but hey ho ya can shut ya crying cause he got her back from Mark and made a mess of his daughters life 👏
3:48 no-one left to stand up to phil 5:12 5:49 5:56 6:16 7:15 hindsight 😂 7:59 more like the opposite direction 8:51 poor mark didn't deserve this, in this case nice guys finish last 😢
Phil was right tbh Mark lost Lisa and Lou when Phil was the biological dad, changed literally everything and Lisa used mark cos Phil wasn’t interested at first
Anyone else Phil would have kicked shit out of him but he nu he felt like her dad and felt same wat wen lisa was gonna leave with Mel and Steve Lisa maybe should have agreed to let him have access to louse I know he had no legal rights but out of loyalty he would never hurt Lisa for world he wasn't bad guy at All and Peggy had a short memory he was there for her during her cancer treatment even after horrible things she said to him about h i.v before that he was a great dad to her closet thing he had being a dad Phil was actually pretty gutted for mark there he nu he loved her 😢 I think later Lisa relised regrettied her actions coz she obviously fled country to escape Phil later on mark was clearly breaking down coz he never did that to anyone no excuse but it is mark completely harmless tho he could handle himself in a fight surprisingly
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Lisa acting the victim being silly and trouble. Mark did everything for them Lisa and Louise. But she just used him and never loved him properly.
Yep and this kind of stuff really happens in real life too
She deserves every bad thing that happens to her. She treated Mark so badly and lied to Pauline saying that she would never go back to Phil and not an hour later, she asked Phil to go and get Lou. Mark should have known that he couldn't trust her. The lazy git hadn't worked since she lost her job as the market inspector.
Lisa was looking for an excuse to go back to Phil and leave Mark. The rape attempt by Mark was just the excuse she needed to leave him. This obviously back fired when Phil treated her like dirt. She basically shot herself in the foot leaving Mark.
That was great acting by both Todd and Mcfadden
Poor Mark he didn't deserve to be treated!
Having watched quite a lot of the old Eastender’s episodes the level of thought going into the story lines just shows what a great job the writers and actors done. It was compelling. The fact that people like you still hold strong emotions years on confirms that.
I also have a different viewpoint to Phil’s character. I once viewed him as an angry thumb who seem to row with everyone - which is true lol - but his actions are reactive to insane shit going on around him. In his early days, he was peacemaker to Grant’s madness but gradually grew into the hard man role.
So much madness has happened to him that his character really should’ve had shorter shelf life as he is now stale and to the point parody.
All of the ‘villains’ who he has feuded with over the years came and went which was best thing to do when wanting to keep the show fresh and realistic.
He tried to rape Lisa knowing he had hiv
@@ryanwebb5082 absolutely love that you understand the character arcs
9:04 Mark legitimately looked on the verge of a nervous breakdown there, and you know what they say about dying from broken hearts, don't you????
Phil said lisa is not the one .He was using her to get near to louise
@@gemmaaboagye8951 yea but he did love her in a psychotic way
this was heartbreaking to watch when mark had to say goodbye :(
Yeah. Look 6:29. Phil looks like he's close to tears there.
Why is everyone in the comments feeling sorry for a man who tried to commit rape?
Yeah I was thinking that, excalty it's treibble...
I was looking for a comment like yours or one that was about what am thinking.
I was feeling sorry for him before he tried to rape Lisa.
After that I have to say I lost sympathy for him.
His been through ALOT & didn't deserve it at all, but that doesn't mean he has to force himself upon her!.
There is alot of things he can do to get this anger out, (like when he smashed the mirror).
He can throw things across the room, and so on, rape is not one of them.
Lisa may have done so many REALLY horrible things to him and treated him badly
like dirt but she didn't deserve to be raped because of all that.
From wifebeater to a rapist then back to a wifebeater. Talk about between a rock and a hard place.
At least he didn't go through with it and stopped himself - I was shocked that he went that far but given that Phil practically terrorized him earlier....that's not an excuse of course...but it's clear that Mark was close to a breakdown.
Mark said that it never crossed his mind.
1st off .jealousy is a funny thing and alcohol changes the mind
Mark was too nice, deserved someone like him, doesn't make other kinds of people bad either but they are too cunning for nice people, that's life eh, Mark fowler 🌹
Phil was a ruthless criminal and Lisa was the town bike. Definitely bad people.
Mark Fowler was a good guy
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5:10 mark doing his cow noises again 🤣
I'm never going to be able watch that without cracking up again.
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😂😂😂
Yes, he had quite a plethora of weird noises, didn't he? 😂
6:29 Phil at the peak of his evil days almost cried!!!!! :O
Some of the early 90s phil was still in there..he got worse then this but when he returned in 2005 he was a good guy again
It gave Phil no pleasure doing what he did to Mark. It was sadly just a case of him being the one in the way of getting his kid back. He used to actually be good friends with all The Fowlers in the 90s.
Life's so much more bearable when you treat it like the joke it is, Mark!!!!! You should've poured that alcohol over your head, and started laughing uncontrollably!!!!!
Poor mark hes the victim they treated him like dirt
@@princessvictory3735 Phil killed a person in a fire, terrorised his mum with his alcoholism, hit many women including his mum, physically attacked many people, committed adultery with his brother's wife, savagely beat up young adults, such as Jamie, need I go on?????? He also hit Ben when he was in his single digit years, and tried to pervert the course of justice by covering up a murder committed by Ben.
Poor Mark
Mark and Phil were great in this scene
Lisa Playing the victim. She cheated on Mark with Phil behind his back. Phil has not learnt his lesson taking thing s that does not belong to him .
*Louise turned out surprisingly normal*
Caught between an alcoholic and the most dangerous barrow boy in London.
This was from the day I was born.
2:23 Booze, the answer to all life's problems in Phil's mind, eh?????
Lisa should have exited the square a long time ago ,what a pain
My sentiments exactly!!! I hate her as much as I hate Phil. They deserve each other!!!!!
I don't hate Lisa but there is always a drama with her
I always thought Todd carty was so cute on grange hill and Tucker’s luck
I feel so sorry for Mark
Me too. Mark was so good to Lisa and this is how she repays him
Mark is very nice and kind not like phil mitchell he is evil and thug
@@mahreenmunir7702 so true .Mark was treated appallingy. It was disgusting the way Lisa treated him .she was an ungreatful moaner/ whiner who got treated the same way she treated and knew what it felt like to be treated like dirt and stabbed in the back
Gemma Aboagye yh thats right Lisa has been seeing Phil behide Mark's back and lies to Mark and Pauline where she goes who she see's
Even after all it was revealed that Louise wasn't his he still decided he wanted her but as usual whatever bad boy Phil wants bad boy Phil gets, don't condone what Mark fowler almost did to Lisa was wrong of him but it was quite cut clear the guy was in the middle of a breakdown after having his heart destroyed yet again
Mark would have been a much better Dad to Louise. Phil is a bully. Just a shame they killed Mark off.
It's funny that his sister's kid would end up being Louise's cousin.
5:11 mark: *hhuuurrrrrrrrooooooo*
Phil : 😒
Felt sorry for mark
8:55 that’s exactly what Phil did in 1996
Mark fancied a bit of bareback.. the kinky old toad.
he was rehearsing for kerry young in the bill
Love Louise
Why do they keep calling her Lou there's only Lou & that's Ian, Mark, Martin & Michelle's Gran.
Mark was one of the nicest blokes in walford, why would Lisa do this him ?
You answered your own question. He’s a nice bloke.
@@Thecrows_eye how did i answer my own question, lots of bad stuff can happen to good people and good stuff happen to bad people. Im just curious of what got into Lisa's mind to do that !🙄
It's okay, Lisa. Phil is bound to change now that you're back with him. 👍🏻
Loise is cute
She’s fire now
Hate all three of the Mitchells, and was glad Peggy & Phil turned on Lisa and X her out Of Lou’s life.
*Louise 🙂
0:18 Oh, so the sex on the kitchen floor was safe, was it??????
STEJTHEGREATEST The difference was that Mark was HIV positive
@@msmilano7091 Lots of people can transmit STDs, not just HIV victims.
STEJTHEGREATEST Mark knew he had HIV, that was the difference between her sleeping with Phil. Phil and Lisa weren't knowingly putting each other at risk.
@@msmilano7091 Phil knew he didn't really wanna be with Lisa, but it didn't stop him from getting her hopes up, sleeping with her, pretending to play happy families with her. Plus, there was the chance Phil's alcoholism could've worn off on Lisa, or that beatings from the violent Phil could've traumatised her.
@stejthegreatest At that point, with Mark's viral load, it was so much worse than an STI.
Lisa was horrible I didn't like her
Lisa messed with Mark now there is consequences she gets all scared, Fu-k her.
strangely mark does look like shell
Lisa was vile. She knew he never loved her but still chose Phil over Mark. Phil was actually better than her by giving Mark the chance to say bye to Louise. Mark didn't mean to hurt Lisa but when he saw how Lisa had duped him, going between him and Phil, he snapped thinking he'd been so nice and that was what he'd got. Lisa deserved what Phil did to her. He lied he loved her to get Louise. It was like when grant stayed with Tiffany just to have Courtney. Everyone rightly turned on Lisa. It wasn't because she didn't love Mark. It was because she used him. And when Phil and Peggy used her she had the nerve to want Mark to save her after makimg him give Louise up. Pauline told her Louise was nothing to do with him anymore
Is
Mark Louises
Dad or Phil
I’m so confused
@Speak-my Mind-Ibiza how was he? The guy had a family then finds out a piece of dirt like Phil Mitchell had slept with the woman he loves and had the baby, then Lisa goes on playing happy families with Mark more or less telling him she wants them to bring up the kid together just to be cheated on again with the same guy I'd be on the verge of a mental breakdown if I was Mark, doesn't excuse what he tried to do but clear in evident that his mind was clearly not there and his heart had well an truly been destroyed, and same with keeping louise away from her biological dad hell I don't blame him, who would want a thug like Phil Mitchell raising a kid good on him is all I say but hey ho ya can shut ya crying cause he got her back from Mark and made a mess of his daughters life 👏
Daniel Cresswell-McQuaid agree with you
Phil is her dad
3:48 no-one left to stand up to phil
5:12
5:49
5:56
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7:15 hindsight 😂
7:59 more like the opposite direction
8:51 poor mark didn't deserve this, in this case nice guys finish last 😢
This is why I never felt Sorry for Lisa!
Phil was right tbh Mark lost Lisa and Lou when Phil was the biological dad, changed literally everything and Lisa used mark cos Phil wasn’t interested at first
Anyone else Phil would have kicked shit out of him but he nu he felt like her dad and felt same wat wen lisa was gonna leave with Mel and Steve Lisa maybe should have agreed to let him have access to louse I know he had no legal rights but out of loyalty he would never hurt Lisa for world he wasn't bad guy at All and Peggy had a short memory he was there for her during her cancer treatment even after horrible things she said to him about h i.v before that he was a great dad to her closet thing he had being a dad Phil was actually pretty gutted for mark there he nu he loved her 😢 I think later Lisa relised regrettied her actions coz she obviously fled country to escape Phil later on mark was clearly breaking down coz he never did that to anyone no excuse but it is mark completely harmless tho he could handle himself in a fight surprisingly
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Lisa playing the victim again...
0:43 That's child exploitation for them to be screaming at each other around a child to young to know it's an act.
phil should of batterd mark
So glad Mark got so humiliated and hurt. Couldn’t stand him.
How do you know he was humiliated????/ Maybe he had more self-esteem than you, eh??????
@@STEJTHEGREATEST he just got dumped and left because of the shame. Obvious humiliation.
@@cakes3958 He left because he only had a year to live with his hiv.
@@STEJTHEGREATEST I’m talking about this storyline.
@@cakes3958 If he left in humiliation, why would he have come back?????
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I dont feel sorry for Mark, I mean to try and grape a woman. Is sick
Mark got everything he deserved
It is amazing how much Mark did look like Michelle.
Lisa never stopped to ask whether Phil loved her.
Pauline did right - Lisa never loved Mark - she loved Phil.
Phil it was sex and Mark it was comfort and Lisa wanted both and then when Mark tried to be sex, she betrayed him going righ to Phil.