When I was at summer camp as a kid, a boy and a girl got caught kissing. All the boys were sent to the gym and all the girls sent to the dining room. The girls were told "Listen, take your time, you're young. You don't know these guys that well, don't feel pressured. Maybe just become friends and exchange contact details." We were shouted at by the female leader of the camp. "It's DISGUSTING. You're all DISGUSTING and you should be ASHAMED of yourselves. It's illegal and it won't be tolerated." Growing up, every dad on TV was a moron. In school, we were subjected to endless seminars telling us not to be violent alcoholic abusers. In university, every single poster I saw was dedicated to some female interest group, some special monetary grant or free counselling for female students. Every international women's day, there is ENDLESS promotion and hype in the media and social media, and when international men's day rolls around, almost nobody even knows it's happening. Male suicide rates are spiralling out of control, and the current socially accepted name for evil in the world (Patriarchy) is named after men, and the cure (Feminism) is named after women. When was the last time you heard the word masculinity not prefixed by "toxic"?
Taelan Baylor - but you finally read Narcissus and Goldmund by Hesse and got over that right? I hope I hope. My grandmother caught me planting a big kiss on my cousin when we were 5 yrs old, She expressed love for what we were doing and somehow inoculated me against subsequent similar shaming to what you experienced. I am convinced that my Mother shamed my elder brother into being gay. She gutted my father's self respect.
Yup; find that Hesse book. It's a juvenile short read but it's a vital lesson for all men. It is greatly ironic that it was a gay Catholic priest that I was counseling with regarding my gay brother, that advised me to read it. You wont have that problem anymore after reading it. Plus you'll be able to spot the superficial women much better. Sincere women want/need sex too. In the future the internet will have a sincere filter setting ;LOL!
Sad truth of the world. The worst part is such creatures get to "teach" children leading to our generation mentally and emotionally destroyed men. Thankfully awareness is rising and things will change in our children's generation.
@@ob1kenobi. I don't know if it's international, but there is a Blowjob and Steak Day on May 14th, one month after valentines day. As Karen says, "It's a real day. Look it up!" I can't seem to find a card for that, though. Might be an investment opportunity.
@@jazbeasley8249 “just”? You do realize both of those aren’t a given for everyone. Furthermore, that “just” a womb is also one of the greatest gifts to humanity. Now of course you can want to be valued for other things other than those things. But those things you have to work for and sacrifice and no one will hand you a feel good story for yourself. You have to get it yourself.
@@ScrubDuelist yes,the gift of ability. The gift of sacrifice. And the gift of creating one’s own identity like a plank sculpture. You are far more privileged then you will ever know. I’ll never be able to be loved for who or what I do, not to you men who can have it all
As a man, i was always taught "no one should be honored for doing what is expected"but my parents never said that to my sisters, just my brother and I. Growing up whenever i did something right or what was expected i got silence, but if i made a mistake or failed in a task i would be chastised for it. It made me laugh when Karen said "I always blush when people talk nice about me, I much prefer the nasty things they say". compliments even today make me feel very uncomfortable.
I value the everyday heroes who do what is expected - and often do much more than that. The nurse or doctor who adjusts your medication or puts in that drip - they are just doing their job but thank goodness they do it. That nice, clean office and the very welcome cappuccino are the result of people doing what's expected of them but it's so very nice to have a clean office and for the office assistant to be able to find that form because it's been filed in the right place. Thank you to everyone for doing your various tasks whether paid or unpaid. You're the reason that our traffic lights get fixed promptly when they stop working. You're the reason that our fridge gets delivered in a good condition and our train transports us safely to our destination. You're part of the massive team of everyday heroes who make a huge difference every day and night of every year. I honour and admire you.
Luke M only anti-feminist mothers seem to really see what is happening to their sons these days. The others are blinded by the lie of "equality". My daughters' opportunities should not come at the expense of my sons, yet they do and my sons are actively discriminated against. As a mother, this horrified me and I am disgusted at the mothers of boys who see nothing wrong.
As a mother of two boys. I'm with you there. How can even Radical Feminists who have sons bear to see them treated like this? As mothers our first instinct ought to be to protect our boys and see them treated fairly. So that when they're men, we can at least hope to see them treated better than their fathers have been.
A little late, but that scenario makes me so angry. Extreme feminists complain and agonize over misogynistic men and how our culture is out to dehumanize and hurt women... Yet these people don't even realize that treating men like this, they create a self fulfilling prophecy. These boys might grow up to be spiteful and less than ideal men because of how they are treated when young.... Nobody sees the irony of this.
This month there was a feminist paper which claimed that women are shorter than men because the patriarchy has been malnourishing them for so long. Honestly. This movement has abandoned logic and entered the fantasy realm of "Alice in Wonderland".
Every year our managers would have to attend a session with the company's lawyers to discuss legal issues the company might have to deal with. This was in the mid nineties. We were told by the lawyers that men were always responsible for any mishaps between the sexes and made all the men repeat it out loud while the ladies looked on. I was shocked when the men willingly repeated it. A few women seemed shocked about the whole thing as it was bizzarre. I was also told I must hire a woman on the next hire no matter what. (She turned out to fail at the job and was fired after 6 months of failing. I had to document all her failures for an extended time before we could fire her). Women now hold 60% of jobs and over 60% of students in college due in part to preferences and quotas. The same will be said of persons of color because the same mandates apply to them. Yet they still complain worse than the generations who actually went through discrimination (and slavery). Moreover, until divorce and custody laws are changed to be fair, I will not get married again or cohabitate with a woman.
I love seeing women sticking up for men, and men sticking up for women. The fight should not be about women vs men, it should be men and women, together, vs sexism and hatred. Great talk, love Karen!
My mother told me when I was 23 that women can be the cruelest and most evil things on two legs, she always worried about me because my first wife cheated on me and her female therapist told her I'm what's wrong with her life, because she didn't owe me any loyalty and I am all that is wrong in her life, I didn't want her to use cocain and cheat on me. Her female therapist told her I have no right to govern her life or expect anything from her and I need to shut up and pay the bills and I have no right to expect anything from her. That was my first wife back in 1992.
@@Nobody92421 well she do it on purpose or not? you think.. both were tricked.. + god sat the three there to start with.. a death three essentially.. he the evil one.. it dsont matter if they ate or not IMO.. not to mention the whole hell thing.. ruclips.net/video/0vYKZe_Svno/видео.html
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்are you sir wearing the costume ? 1st wife implies marriage afterwards. You don’t say this is the biggest decision of my 1st life ? Makes no sense by implication he was married again afterwards to another women.
58,000 men and boys (some 16, 17, 18, 19,20,) old were killed in Vietnam and 8 women who were killed in plane crashes. 9,000,000 males served in Vietnam. I see a small degree of inequality don't you think? How many lost one or more limbs, minds, burns to their bodies, guilty feelings disfigured faces from wounds,etc. Where is the equality in this?
If we ever have another major war where they reinstate the draft men should refuse to go in mass. Let them draft the women, put them in combat units with no men. At least they can be used for cannon fodder. It will never happen, even men that have been fucked by the courts in divorce will sign up.
Well, I think a lot of conservative people had something to do with keeping women from partaking in combat roles, including the military and government leadership. However, that has never kept women from participating in the military, performing other roles, that were helpful and beneficial. Although women's roles in the military were only secondary, it was not without their risks, too. There were women who worked as nurses in the combat field. They tended to wounded soldiers, sometimes even being in the line of fire. Some of them were injured and even killed. There were also women who delivered supplies and amno to the soldiers , which also placed them in danger. While there is no comparison between what men soldiers had to endure compared to women in the military, women also had their own struggles and hardship. Childbearing, for example, was a very dangerous and risky endeavor, ( and still is today to a lesser degree ), and many women died during childbirth. In fact, there were more women who died giving birth during the Black Death, than those who died from the Black Death itself. And just as modern medicine and technology had helped alleviate the suffering and reduce the numbers of deaths from childbirth, it did not eliminate it. Women can still have complications during childbirth, and sometimes die as a result, despite the advances of modern medicine. Likewise, the advancement of military technology did not eliminate the casualties of war either. My point is that both sexes experience hardships. We can suffer because of one's gender or inspite of it. I just wish that everyone can just get along. We should all try being more empathetic toward one another.
@@Norm475you aren’t being empathetic towards men at all with your comment. Especially your dismissal of conservatives as trying to stop women from dying in war. Pick a stance. Betrayer.
I am in awe if this woman. She is one of the most articulate speakers on men's issues to ever live. We are blessed to live in an age where we have Karen's intellect and wisdom to help us work through the difficult issues.
From México City, a warm and candid thank you to the organising and sponsoring students for another great talk all the way through from Karen, who for a few years now, carries my own personal and virtual badge as my favorite human species extinction preventer against the evil clutches of feminism. -just an animator who has gone through some tough shit the last few years but am living to tell the stories with animation. Some day, after I finish getting my shit together and arrive to a reasonable settling. (The story is fascinating and I feel great about myself for showing my ex who is the one with the cohones in place and for the way I have dealt with her wrong doings, with the people and even her lawyers, single handedly). Though I would propbably not be living to tell the story if it wasn´t for me finding such excellent materials from Karen, Katherine Young and Neil, Café Brulé, the MRM, Warren Farrell, John Gottman and many more materials from excellent thinkers and researchers, which helped me not end up six feet under or even stay stuck by confirming that all that I was seeing going on around me was total bullshit. Also I have a wonderful job as an animator and that helped. Though after having owned my own studios, working as an artist sometimes brings some financial challenges, but we´re in the right direction to create another small success TBA. P.D. Oh important, after reading some of the comments here, its not just in north america, it´s happening in all industrialised countries and I have found that through the lens of economy in history is that you can better understand the workings of the machinery and just how feminism is just one of the tools used by the powers that be and from there, all the shit the world has been becoming. So I see it as a social symptom and method to stupidly destroy the concept of the family with both men and women paying the consequences in the long run. I read a little while back, that in Canada it was now going to be required to go through a series of therapy or couple counselling sessions before being able to divorce, because of how much damage to the economy the fatherless children generation has done, or not damage but not growth. That´s great but maybe even greater is if we start requiring therapy sessions before marrying and having kids, seriously. So many would be warned about their spouses multiple disorders in a more timely manner, much better than finding them out, until kids are born, because thats when all the disorders really start showing. So it´s not only happened to American Women that they´ve turned into "Not-desireable co-progenitors" (which I do not totally agree with as I happen to know quite a few excellent american women, couples and mothers). So there´s a U.N. in Mexico also and of course spreading the propaganda with a huge campaign promoting their He for She event with Emma Watson here two, and of course all the same anti-male propaganda exists here as well, to an offensive level If any man was to take it personal. So that´s just for everyone thinking that if you simply sway away from american women you´ll be all right, because its happening worldwide as most of all folks here know by now. There´s great women here and there, and there are tons of indoctrinated women here and there, all around the world. In México its shit because we carry the Macho Country label, though that in itself is another lie and strategy from feminism, as any mexican knows that its The Doña who sends the husband to the couch and not the other way around. Its the overly-pampering doña that mis-educates young boys and creates Machitos, because actually, the ones that still had a Macho father like myself and 4 sisters, kinda learned from their bad examples as to the things one should not do. ----------- "Any ISM is too much ISM" "Feminism is the new Mexican Macho, BUT IN A VERY BAD WAY," "If you argue with idiots, they will beat you at their own game from experience" - Mark Twain "Fight the gender wars with love and compassion" - Inpsired by Krishnamurti´s tomb stone. "Do not fight it by playing the same game and saying: "Women this or that" instead you can say "there are sick people men and women, there are abusive people women and men, there are helpless victims turned into infantilised tyrants, feminist women mostly". "Read more than you watch" "Observe and Listen more than you talk" (my ex had such a loud mouth about spirituality and turned up being the worst example, as is with most hippie-yoggie-pseudo-spiritual-KenWillberries".
A woman can accuse a man of many different types of crimes and have that man locked up immediately, even without any evidence. Police are required to take a man into custody if a wife or girlfriend says he hit or threatened them, just on her word alone. Men accused of rape are guilty until proven innocent, and even then sometimes still convicted. Ask yourself this...….What can a man accuse a woman of to get her put in jail on his word alone ? Nothing. So why would you gamble your money, and life, in a game where women hold all the cards and can ruin your life on a whim ?
Sign a PRENUP!!! As far as the physicality of the relationship and anything she may or may not accuse you of, you'd better have some hidden cameras around 24/7. And that is the price we pay to make our women HAPPY!!
The burden I'm currently facing, is coping with my mother's soon death (she's not long for this world), my partner has been cheating on me, lost my job. All this can happen to anyone. What makes this a male burden, is that I'm apparently not allowed to be sad, pissed off, that I still get reminded that my partner cheating on me, was somehow my fault, it wasn't by the way, you couldn't meet a more supportive, caring, but strong & capable man. I mean f*ck sake, I even have to argue my case, here, on this channel. Reassure people that I wasn't a bad b*stard to her. How's that for some male burden, huh? TBH The only keeping me breathing, is that my dad committed suicide when I was young, I vividly remember what that did to me, I won't put my own son through that. In case anyone wonders, yes that's enough to keep me going.
WTF? Do you know anything about loss, how the emotions come & go throughout a day. I'd suggest that you read up on the subject matter, start with Kübler-Ross "5 Stages of Grief", but realise it isn't linear, people can have multiple emotions throughout a day. I had a bad morning yesterday, got a phone call from the hospital my mother is in, saying she had a turn for the worse. As in this might be it. So not, nothing I wrote was not an accurate assessment of how I was feeling, how I am feeling. Just after a 5 mile walk to & back from the hospital cleared my head a bit. So my response to you was a thank you & this is how you then act.
"Self inflicted" ruclips.net/video/G2y8Sx4B2Sk/видео.html Not sure how my partner cheating on me & my mother being terminally ill is necessarily self-inflicted. I mean I can see how it would be possible that someone *could* be the direct cause of such a circumstance, it wasn't in my case however.
Frigid Farmerwhoisrelegiousinaweidway So, i don't need to defend Biggsy he can take care of himself, but i'm sitting here thinking, man i wish more trolls were in places like this, everyone needs something to look at and see how there life isn't all that bad when compared, to someone who HAS to always look down on people, keep up the good work troll, at some point, someone might care what you have to say.
Karen may not remember but she actually had the Paul Elam talk with me on Reddit over a year ago. I was arguing that Paul is harmful to the MRM and she made these exact arguments in a calm and completely respectful manner. I was not ready to hear it at the time as I am not an aggressive or frankly even assertive man. I was raised as a feminist and have been abused by the women in my life (other than my mother) for the first 30 years of my life. Aggression makes me uncomfortable and though I am capable of it when backed into a corner, I am doing it out of fear and not because I am confident at all. My point is that I hope people heard what Karen said about the different approaches and how each is needed. I still dislike much of what Paul says but I have come to agree with Karen, after much consideration. He is like a lightening rod for the MRM in that he not only attracts the attention he also absorbs the worst of it. I imagine it must be tough to essentially be hated by so many people when all he is really trying to do, no matter what one thinks of his methods, is to help men and boys. I believe he genuinely cares about men and boys and that is why he does what he does. I don't think he is getting rich. He gets a lot of adoration from his die-hard fans but I am not sure that even that would be enough to be the focal point of all of the ire against the MRM. I am not capable of being a Paul Elam, I am astonishingly thin skinned, overly empathetic, and lack almost any self confidence. I volunteer for studies with doctors investigating male DV victims, I work in support groups for survivors and mental illness groups as well. I share my stories and try to be a cautionary tale as well as someone others, who can speak out loud without fear, can point to and say, "here is an example of how a man can be a victim of female violence, abuse, and child sexual abuse". I have suffered from a myriad of mental illnesses my entire adult and teen years. Suicidal thoughts and self harm has been something I have been fighting for 26 years now, since I was 16, and what saved from finally ending it all, several years ago, was the idea that what I have been through might be for some reason. Maybe there is some good that can come of it all. Maybe something more than not wanting to hurt my mom or my best friend with my death or my religious beliefs of suicide being the only unforgivable sin. These things used to be enough but I am much more ill, physically and mentally, I am so disabled now that I am all but completely incapable of leaving my apartment. I feel that if I can speak out with my unique (or maybe, sadly, not as unique as some might think) experiences as a victim of 3 different female abusers from childhood up until my 30th year, maybe I can make a difference. This is, I believe, what Paul is trying to do as well. He's been doing it for a long time now, much longer than I have. I don't like much of what he says, I can't help that, but he and other provocative people have helped bring men's rights to a point it has never been in our lifetimes. People are listening, sure, many people listen just long enough to try to silence us, but that will only work on the diplomatic people, the quiet ones, like me and many other MRAs. These tactics only feed people like Paul and even people like Karen and the other Honey Badgers. The loud among us will get the attention and spread knowledge that is forbidden and taboo. The quiet will work behind the scenes, like CAFE, fundraising to open the first men's shelter. Like the fella Karen mentioned, miraculously maneuvering himself to be on an actual domestic violence panel in California. I guess what I am trying to say, in my long and rambling way, is that we all bring our own skills and abilities to the MRM and that we should not be dismissive of others in the movement whose methods differ from our own. We are all in this together and turning on each other is exactly what feminists want. They are united (well, they are sort of tearing each other apart at the moment thanks to intersectionality, *snicker*) and they have been united for a very long time as they are an ideology, they have doctrines, they have plans and they are well organized, at the high levels, and they have a taste for the power they have gained due to capitulation and shaming and they will do anything, anything at all, to keep that power. We need to avoid becoming like them in that we depend on unity of the way we debate, the tone with which we speak, and the message we wish to convey. The only unity I think we should have is that we are about men's rights and how to establish the actual equality men and boys deserve. My focus is on domestic violence against men and sexual abuse of boys. I support the majority of the other issues often mentioned but those are the ones I care about the most. For others it is father's rights and parental alienation. Others care most about the over medication of boys and the crisis they face in education. The list is long and some will focus on the entire list with equal attention to them all. We all have a role, we all have a different approach and we all care about the issues of boys and men. Thank, Karen, if you managed to read this TL;DR post. Thanks for all you do and thank you for taking the time to debate me and the patience to try to make me see another way of looking at how the messages of the MRM can be communicated. :)
Thank you for your candor. I have not read all of your comment, but I am with you so far. I, too, grew up being sexually, verbally, physically abused and was also self-abusive and suicidal. I am glad you survived to tell your story. It helps the rest of us be less alone.
Men, everything is not lost. There are woman like me who care for you, love you, admire you and are willing to give the space to be MEN. Don't give up.
@@Ashigeru47 so does that mean a Male who identifies as a "woman" is okay or a woman who identifies as a make is okay!?? I'm SOO confused!! Really, it's like this...hopefully if you are Male you only date REAL females that way at least we know the rules! But I am sure that there have been some really confusing cases such as that!
Men have an instinct to let women win. When i was in a martial arts and working with fellow women students who had suffered assaults, it was difficult for me to follow their demands and avoiud pulling punches. I never was able to give them the fight I could give another man. And when I was hitting them at 80%, I felt sick and guilty in my gut. Intellectializing the fact that I no not only had consent to hit them, but that they were getting mad and demanding it, did not help.
Jack Dingler i had that issue when i was a kid i would always be put against a girl then have to compete for my belt over amd over till i was put against a guy. :(
Jack but most people or "mainstream feminists" just think that a VERY FEW men are abusers, not most men like these radical activists who blame men for everything.
You should have knocked them out! You didn't do them any favors, preparing them for real world violence! Our stupid military should never cut standards for women soldiers! It will hurt us later!
I wish I could talk to Karen , my exwife does everything she can to prevent me from spending quality time with my children, I've never layed a hand on her or my children, it 10 years of marriage I never call her a name but she has called me things that she invented for me. She dictates what I can or can't do with my two children. My 12 year old girl gets so excited and tells me how she went swimming and she's spending the night with her friend. But since she was 5 years old her and my son who is 15 have never spent X-mas or even one night at my home. There mother has made it clear that they will never spend the night at my house. And yes I pay my child support but it's been made very clear that I'll never be treated as there father, my ex-wife told them I was married before knowing there mother and my ex put the question in my children's mind that maybe I have other children, I have no other children and I am not important except I must pay my support and that's all I'm good for.
I toughed it out until the kids were 18, then I moved the phuk out three years ago. I'm still paying the bills for a house I don't live in and cars I don't drive, but it's better than dealing with the anxiety and depression. It's not good bro. I feel for ya. Hang in there. (And NEVER trust a female again!!!) Many platforms... one operating system.
Anubis Smite I’m am so sorry.💔. I can’t even imagine being in your place. All I would request you to do is to not give up on yourself. Please don’t do that. I just wanna say I love you. I know you’re brave. Don’t loose hope. God I actually have tears in my eyes. Love yourself please.❤️❤️please.
Rise up to the challenge, and give the bitch a headache to fight. You prob can't win in court because, hey, we all know they're biased. But at the very least you can turn sour in her mouth your money which she's blatantly gobbling up like a leech. Don't be dissuaded by names she or others may be calling you because they have no manifestation in reality.
I was told by a few people to collect as many pieces of your married life and the decision made against you to record your conversation. At a later date you can give this to your children when there older and let them decide.
I know a man who got divorced when his daughter was 3. His ex kept her from him for years. But when she was about thirty she realized that her mom was full of crap and sought out her dad. He (re)built his relationship, she is SOOO done with her mom, and he gets access to his grandkids. Hang in there, when your kids are of age they will come around.
I am now in my 50s. I have 2 sons and their mother and I divorced when they were young. It was acrimonious. It was mostly made that way by her desire to get everything and her "Team" , consisting of lawyers, the family court welfare system (CAFCASS) and social services having a definite bias and the law supporting this. Her lawyer once said directly to my face: "All you men deserve this",when negotiating our financial settlement. I asked her what she meant by this. I was told that we all deserve to lose everything. I asked her what I had done to deserve this. I was told that I was an abuser. It isn't actually true, but what I had done reasonably often was to argue with her when she was doing things that I disagreed with when they directly affected me. I now realise that we were probably not very compatible, but I thought we were in love. We both did and said things that were unpleasant, but there was never any violence between us from either side, nor did we cheat. She i bossy and I am quite easy going to a point. Even her school friends used to ask me how I put up with her ways when we went on holiday together, and she tried to tell everyone what to do. It was pretty even in the unpleasantness. She manipulated the system to her advantage. The ideologically man hating women that she was dealing with had no idea that she was playing them like pianos, but privately she had a great deal of contempt for their ethea. I am very aggrieved that she allowed them to try to make my sons feel that they had an abusive father. Although as the main care giver for three years of their lives, due to her not wanting the job, they had a pretty solid knowledge of my true nature. Prior to having kids we did have a pretty fun relationship and prior to meeting we had both attended many marches and protests, and did a few together. We totally agreed on politics and human rights issues. My sons have fallen into the maelstrom of political correctness and it is becoming increasingly difficult to have any conversation that doesn't result in me being called and *ist. in spite of our acrimonious divorce my ex wife has actually said I am none of those things. I also ask them how politically active they have been in righting the wrongs of society. I know they haven't been. My kids are smart and I hear many of my principles coming out of their mouths, but they still have been programmed with the cult of social justice rhetoric which is spewed out whenever certain trigger phrases are said. What can be done? I wish my kids had only been kidnapped by a cult like the Moonies. This cult is society.
Amazing! You've said what I've been thinking for a long time. I'm 46 years old, divorced for the past 7 years (no kids) after being in such a domineering marriage and barely surviving it (my suicide was actually a real possibility at one point). And I have completely quit the search for romance. I haven't so much as been on a date in six years. And I feel that I have no interest in it. And this is exactly why. And all these things are completely taboo. You certainly can't even present the tip of this iceberg to women, and certainly not where you have more than one woman present, because the backlash will be scathing and merciless, no matter how kind the women are otherwise. Any respect that I can get from women is conditional on me accepting this role for men, without any reservation. I am so encouraged to see that there is awareness of this among women, even if it's a tiny drop in the huge bucket. Thank you so much for speak up for men, who aren't allowed to speak up for themselves.
I am a 77 YO male and when I was about 12 YO I was walking with my mother on the sidewalk and she told me that I should walk next to the street. I asked her why and she said because if a car comes by and splashes water or jumps the curb the man would get it instead of the woman. WTF
Not gonna lie, you write your sentences like you are in your twenties and I think that's awesome haha I can't believe your mom said that although this was probably at a time were they Men were respected for protecting women from outside danger. Back when society expected Men to be Men and Women to be Women. Unfortunately nowadays they only hold Men to that standard and not the women
@@monkey-bananas2890 The truth is that Men were never respected, it's all a lie, a false beleif we have that "things were better" no they were no, humans are humans and they have not changed a lot
Hi Norm, I remember my father walking between me and the street and explaining about the protective idea behind it. It was part of a culture of gallantry from men and flirtatiousness from women. As we women moved into more participation in the workforce, we imitated the agitated personalities of the leading feminists at that time. We could have had the changes without the indignant blaming but we took a wrong turn and now the most angry women are in charge of the process. They control most of the media and can dispose of unwanted men via false charges of violence. However, Jung Chang describes in "Wild Swans" how people in China got swept up in the Cultural Revolution. Hundreds were condemned by angry mobs - but then suddenly people got sickened by the cruelty. They stopped joining in when there were "revolutionary" meetings. They walked round chatting while speakers tried to condemn people. The mood changed. I hope that is happening now.
I've always done that anyway to protect her. We can't expect women to treat men well and like traditional men if we can't do the bare minimum and protect them.
Become shameless. Learn what the shaming tactics are, and then ignore them, don't let them affect you ... people will call you "cold", but let's consider it's a better way of life than to be "hot" and react violently, because violence never ends well. Don't go out on any date that requires the expenditure of money (no going out to eat, no going to a bar or a cafe). Offer physical (even minimal effort like just walking) activities, it's much better to get to know someone, and let her chose the other option (for your date), if she chooses something where one needs to spend money, tell her that she will be paying her part, and most importantly, tell her that she will be paying for herself BEFORE you go, and if she is unhappy, there was a healthy and free alternative that you offered. That alone is a great way to filter the Thots who only want a free meal out. If you go out to eat with her (meaning she accepted to pay her part) and decides to take a alcohol beverage, tell her goodbye after the meal. No need for "I was intoxicated so could not consent" type issues ... Also, tell her goodbye publicly and part ways in front of other people (preferably people you can use as witnesses, so people who work there). Don't ever let a woman have any say in how you spend YOUR money, money you worked hard to earn. Don't get married, it's a rigged game with way too few "good women", and even then, there is still a massive risk, so just don't. Don't have kids unless you are sure you can take care of them (be it you get custody or pay child support) ... if you can't afford kids, don't have any, furthermore, it's highly unfair towards the child if it grows up without a father.
Very harsh written, mate. Good luck controlling your natural impulses to provide and share resources. Better "Be careful with women" I suppose. And shame is an evolutionary developed navigation mechanism in social environment. So it will do no good suppressing it within yourself. It will cause a lot if suffering and self-doubt.
André Levy MGTOW is more of a lifestyle, a philosophy. It’s not a movement like feminism. We don’t march down the streets. Yes, you can see men with red pill rage.
Andre Levy - the Men's Rights Movement is the equivalent of feminism. MGTOW provides men the a strategy to achieve contentment without the need for female approval and validation.
+TheGschultz >radicalism isn't always the answer to radicalism How is not participating is radicalism? +André Levy >toxic an ideology as feminism How so? Simply checking out of the rigged game can hardly be considered an ideology.
She's right on all points. I think reframing it all as Human suffering and Human rights is probably a better route to achieve understanding from opposing camps.
Male privilege is the privilege to be the only ones who have to be responsible for themselves. And the only ones who have to be responsible for everyone else too.
We need to make men even stronger and tougher because life in modern days are not going to get any easier. Society at large in the western countries is against us. Men and women complement each other when we work together instead of fight each other. Life is cold and harsh. Hold yourself a man and stand with your heads up, shoulders back, and conduct yourself in an honorable manner the best you can in any situation. Don’t focus on your mistakes. Dust yourself off and strive for righteousness in the face of adversity. Life is cold and dark but God is your refuge and light to guide you on your journey.
The idea of being "invited " back into the discussion is ridiculous. The time for discussion is long over. I'm convinced that until women and society change let them burn in the hell of their own making. There is nothing that men need to do or say or change. I think that withdrawing yourself as a man from any point of interaction with women and as much as possible society is the only choice left for men. It is only reasonable for one to protect one's self. “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” I'm thankful for feminism for teaching not to seek affirmation and validation from a woman. There is nothing that I need from a woman or society to provide acceptance of my existence. I am free because my values and validation come from within myself.
20:14 thank you for explaining that which has puzzled me for 30 years. if women are just as capable of men, why do we have a collective responsibility to give them special protections? to atone for the historical sins
I was six years of age. First time in kindergarten. Two girls decided to spend time telling me how ugly i was. I remember it to this day. Wasn't that the equivalent of girls hitting boys?
Japan also has the two day thing. On valentines day woman give guys they like gift or chocolate. And on white day the guys that got chocolate give the women that gave them it a gift of some kind in return.
i'm a huge fan of Karen Straughan. Appreciate her candor and hard work and most of all her bravery to stand up to the nasty rabel that Feminists can be.
excellent video. some of the most accurate info out there... one tiny thought... i agree with ur friend's assessment of the goals of 1st wave feminism and 2nd wave feminism....but i honestly feel the goal of 3rd wave feminism is to completely discredit men , devalue the to zero, then demand their services as slavery to be compensated or recognized for none of it at all. Just makes you want to go get married as soon as possible so u can serve ur sentence for something bad that u never did.
Thank you Karen Straughan. My sisters couldn't stand it that I was pledged the farm by my parents and the made me work on it for the 30 most precious years of my life. When fracking started and an old shut in well we had was re-worked all deal were off. Sisters took mom away and accused me of making threats of violence. Mom reneged on her "irrevocable trust" and they took millions in royalties. Now the price of oil has gone down and they are selling the farm as they have no use for it. I had made it my goal to create manufacturing jobs for veterans. All that is left is they have a few hundred dollars a month royalty checks and they have some nice memories of Las Vegas. I have a ruined lower back and both my knees are shot and My hip is starting to go.
At age 60, I have just gotten myself into the internet dating game after maybe 15 years, and the most surprising thing that I see in most women's profiles is that they start of listing all the stuff they have, how hard they work, how much success they have, how incredibly independent they are, and that they "don't need a man but it would be nice to have a man around every now and then". Well, that sounds attractive to a man doesn't it? Sad thing is, this is the belief system most women (at least on dating sites) have. After 4 weeks on the internet, I'm 100% and completely done! Enough of that BS for me. Perhaps MGTOW is my way forward, at least that way there's no sneaky games and female manipulation.
Karen Straughan (at 30:20), "Is this what women are? Once they have gotten to the point where they are full citizens within the public sphere, what they want to do is to take their revenge about things that happened before they were even born? Is that what women are like?" Of course. Women are human. And this is what humans are like. No matter how you divide them: by sex, class, race, ethnicity, religion, age, vocation, height, weight or eye color - people will bicker and fight and avenge till cows come home.
There is no burden being a man, I do what I want, when I want, with who I want and I'm really good at it. Anyone that doesn't like what I do can jog on.... I follow the mantra of not letting someone else's problems become my problems. Society can ask whatever it wants, I have my own scale of where people stack up.
The bridge that collapsed between FIU and sweetwater in Florida was designed by an all woman cadre. While the company is owned by men, they had to hire all women to get the diversity set aside for building it. The burden of being male includes havind to take the consequences when women fail. I have seen many men go to jail when their wives were just as guilty to protect the children.
I am not an MRA, but an extremely conservative husband for 35 years whose wife and daughters hate feminism. There is something beside the feminist lies or the MRA way. I am glad to bear the extra burden of being a husband because I am respected, I am the boss, and my wife is my personal cheerleader. I married as a virgin to a virgin, and we follow the gods of the copybook headings, who echo the law of Christ. There was an old way that was based on the sexes NOT being equal, though of equal intrinsic worth. It is about complementary cooperation. loveandrespect.com
feels like someone just squeezed my heart. kind of weird hearing her speak all the things you live with and have collected in your head. im glad this is here for others to see but it's also saddening that even if most feminists saw this it wouldnt make a difference to them.
My opinion is ..That if this is the way Matriarchy was run so many years ago in ancient days no wonder why men had to come and save our societies. I once believed we would have a better world if women were running the show..I have now changed my mind.. We don't even get along with ourselves or each other..how in the world could we ever give fairness to men ?
I forget who said it, but if I remember correctly it was a woman, “If woman ran the world we would still be living in grass/mud huts.” no offence to your gender of course, but men seem to have created civilization because of their need to impress and cater to women so they have a chance at reproducing etc.
@@Akaeus agreed,.that is also the way I think. Civilization progressed because men needed to impress women to create families and societies.it all comes down to the alpha male and procreation. That will never change..it is the basic instinct of man.i for one am glad for it, I just wish that those with power wouldn't misuse it.
44:50 Couldn't feminists argue that having extremist/provocative feminists also serves the same purpose as the MRA having Paul Elam? You could defend those "kill all men" feminist by saying they bring the issues to attention, just like Paul Elam "brings the boundaries of permissible discourse outwards"
Wedge issues predominate, the message leads us to total separation, hence MGTOW. We're left with a choice of either men being totally destroyed, resulting in societal collapse, or men going completely into strike mode, resulting in societal collapse. We're being engineered out of existence... who might wish such a failure upon us?
Incredibly sad to hear about the columnist at 10:34 talk about her boys in such hurtful and damaging terms. I speak from experience. That is hurtful to the core. My mother wasn't a feminist per se, but I never heard "I love you", hugged, or show warmth. I feel sorry for those boys.
Go look at her older material. I stumbled on her when she uploaded her 4th or 5th video to youtube. It's been a heck of a ride. While you're doing your research binge, go look up someone called ManWomanMyth. He produced a thorough documentary series that makes for fantastic background material.
Man I have a cousin who's wife is abusive and plays the victim card like a pro! She will goat him into a fight anytime she feels like she is "loosing control" by spitting on him, tripping, kicking, and or hitting him. I've seen her do it more then once as well he has told me the stories. She's broken his windows in his truck ,carved cheater on his truck (he did cheat after she did for over a year with the same guy, her high school sweetheart and said she wouldn't quit and to "get over it"), and she calls his jobs telling them he is abusive. She posts things on FB and has told his friends and family the same things. The worst was she became a cop and came home one day and shot him in the leg after starting a fight because he wouldn't talk to her on the phone because he didn't want to fight. She sprayed her own son with mace on the same evening because he was taking up for his dad and she took his phone from him and then he took hers and ran. Upon hearing him screaming he intervened and is when she pulled her gun and shot him. She was not arrested immediately but a cpl months down the line she was and lost her job (thankfully!) but not after the damage was done by her. She told CPS and police that he was an alcoholic and abusive and it was "self defense" when he was the one defending their son and himself from her. Thankfully the police saw through her BS but CPS did not even with the son as the witness. He had to do a bunch of anger controll and abusive spouse courses as well regular random drug testing. This is actually in the Conroe Tx news online "Conroe police officer shoots husband". He almost died and had to be life flighted and if not he prob would have been arrested. But it took 2 years for them to finally get their kids back and unfortunately he has not and will not leave her even after all this.
The chivalrous saying/practice was " men are to never hit a lady". She is protected under the laws of chivalry for as long as she remains A LADY. If at some point she stops being a lady, the rule does not apply. Ladies are women but not all women are ladies.
Well, I'm not from USA, I'm from Europe, eastern part. And it's been the same here. But! Because of the communism women got more emancipated here and they grew more independent (in communism/socialism everyone had to work) - I think it's the only good thing communist did to the humanity. BUT! The feminism got in, all the three waves simultaneously. And it seems to be more and more messed up. And it's growing. I can feel that as a white, heterosexual male I am at the bottom of the society when it comes to privileges but at the top of it when it comes to guilt and working my gluteus maximus off. At my recent company, my boss was a female. And I was informed that I don't know what it means to be a woman these days, how it feels to be oppressed. Interesting logic - I don't know their share but they do know mine? ;> It's really strange that women expect us to be gallant and gentlemen, provide and just shut the hell up and in the same time, the demand equality, security, independence etc. On the other hand, womanhood mean individuality. Even in so simple things like looks and appearance. Every woman is beautiful, empowerment, be yourself... Women can do whatever they want in this matter - hide something, show something, change something... There are so many canon of beauty for women... While there is only one for a man, isn't it? The same is about jobs, responsibilities... Nowadays women are taught more and more that they can take whatever privilege they want and refuse any duty or responsibility they just don't like. It's different when it comes to men, 180 degrees opposite. Take any duty or responsibility that is thrown at your face and you maybe may be allowed dream about privileges. Let me explain - I am all for the chances to be who you wanna be. I am for the equal pay for the same job. I cherish the idea, because I pay for a job or a task, not for the gender. It might be even done by rabbits or squirrels, I don't care. But I would never understand how a human being might want to have privileges without any responsibilities or duties. The older I grow, the more I realize that men are trapped, because any way we would behave, we will lose. And take more duties and responsibilities, being depraved of the very little gratitude that is left in our hands. Seriously, it was absurd to hear this from a female BOSS that women are neglected when it comes to promotions and being managers. And that they have to fight their way through... Like I didn't have to. The older I am, the more I realize is that feminism is just a card. Just like the race card. Or sexual minority card. And as a white, heterosexual male, I have no cards. I am just to work, keep my head low and provide. If anything goes wrong for a woman - victim card. If she fought her way on the dead bodies of her rivals - victim card. If she just wants it becase she doesnt want to fight - victim card (usually called "parity employment". I'm not sure, where to find the magic box with my privileges. Thank you so much Karen for your work. I think that only the women can make things right now, because anything a man would say is either racist, chauvinist, sexist or simply not heard.
Its because you DON'T have women's "MAGIC BOX," if you get my point! They have used their "Golden Vagina," for millennia - that's why it stinks of rotten fish now! 😣🤨🤔😉
Girl power = female empowerment
Manpower = unit of work labour
Lol YEP!
I’m just disappointed I didn’t think of that connection first. It makes SO much sense now.
true
Female empowerment = the unalienable right to treat men in a way that would be totally unacceptable to treat women
When I was at summer camp as a kid, a boy and a girl got caught kissing. All the boys were sent to the gym and all the girls sent to the dining room. The girls were told "Listen, take your time, you're young. You don't know these guys that well, don't feel pressured. Maybe just become friends and exchange contact details."
We were shouted at by the female leader of the camp. "It's DISGUSTING. You're all DISGUSTING and you should be ASHAMED of yourselves. It's illegal and it won't be tolerated."
Growing up, every dad on TV was a moron. In school, we were subjected to endless seminars telling us not to be violent alcoholic abusers. In university, every single poster I saw was dedicated to some female interest group, some special monetary grant or free counselling for female students. Every international women's day, there is ENDLESS promotion and hype in the media and social media, and when international men's day rolls around, almost nobody even knows it's happening.
Male suicide rates are spiralling out of control, and the current socially accepted name for evil in the world (Patriarchy) is named after men, and the cure (Feminism) is named after women. When was the last time you heard the word masculinity not prefixed by "toxic"?
There is a international men's day?
Taelan Baylor - but you finally read Narcissus and Goldmund by Hesse and got over that right? I hope I hope. My grandmother caught me planting a big kiss on my cousin when we were 5 yrs old, She expressed love for what we were doing and somehow inoculated me against subsequent similar shaming to what you experienced. I am convinced that my Mother shamed my elder brother into being gay. She gutted my father's self respect.
Yup; find that Hesse book. It's a juvenile short read but it's a vital lesson for all men. It is greatly ironic that it was a gay Catholic priest that I was counseling with regarding my gay brother, that advised me to read it. You wont have that problem anymore after reading it. Plus you'll be able to spot the superficial women much better. Sincere women want/need sex too. In the future the internet will have a sincere filter setting ;LOL!
Sad truth of the world. The worst part is such creatures get to "teach" children leading to our generation mentally and emotionally destroyed men. Thankfully awareness is rising and things will change in our children's generation.
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I don't know if it's international, but there is a Blowjob and Steak Day on May 14th, one month after valentines day. As Karen says, "It's a real day. Look it up!" I can't seem to find a card for that, though. Might be an investment opportunity.
"To a woman, a man is the means, and the child is always the end." - Friederick Nietsche.
Jeff Miller facts
Funny, that’s how I alway felt as a girl. Just a womb and a face and a boost to your manhood.
@@jazbeasley8249 “just”? You do realize both of those aren’t a given for everyone. Furthermore, that “just” a womb is also one of the greatest gifts to humanity. Now of course you can want to be valued for other things other than those things. But those things you have to work for and sacrifice and no one will hand you a feel good story for yourself. You have to get it yourself.
@@ScrubDuelist yes,the gift of ability. The gift of sacrifice. And the gift of creating one’s own identity like a plank sculpture. You are far more privileged then you will ever know. I’ll never be able to be loved for who or what I do, not to you men who can have it all
@@jazbeasley8249 sigh. I hope you are doing better now Jaz.
As a man, i was always taught "no one should be honored for doing what is expected"but my parents never said that to my sisters, just my brother and I. Growing up whenever i did something right or what was expected i got silence, but if i made a mistake or failed in a task i would be chastised for it. It made me laugh when Karen said "I always blush when people talk nice about me, I much prefer the nasty things they say". compliments even today make me feel very uncomfortable.
I value the everyday heroes who do what is expected - and often do much more than that. The nurse or doctor who adjusts your medication or puts in that drip - they are just doing their job but thank goodness they do it. That nice, clean office and the very welcome cappuccino are the result of people doing what's expected of them but it's so very nice to have a clean office and for the office assistant to be able to find that form because it's been filed in the right place. Thank you to everyone for doing your various tasks whether paid or unpaid. You're the reason that our traffic lights get fixed promptly when they stop working. You're the reason that our fridge gets delivered in a good condition and our train transports us safely to our destination. You're part of the massive team of everyday heroes who make a huge difference every day and night of every year. I honour and admire you.
One probably shouldn’t expect to be honored for doing the right thing but it’s still nice to be grateful to those that do.
This ⬆️
Six years later things are worse than ever. I was a gentle boy too and it wasnt men that turned me in to a misogynist.
Gotta love Karen. This is supposed to be our mothers standing up for us, not just a chosen few ladies in Canada
Luke M only anti-feminist mothers seem to really see what is happening to their sons these days. The others are blinded by the lie of "equality". My daughters' opportunities should not come at the expense of my sons, yet they do and my sons are actively discriminated against. As a mother, this horrified me and I am disgusted at the mothers of boys who see nothing wrong.
You're one of the good ones, Birgitta. That gives me hope.
As a mother of two boys. I'm with you there. How can even Radical Feminists who have sons bear to see them treated like this? As mothers our first instinct ought to be to protect our boys and see them treated fairly. So that when they're men, we can at least hope to see them treated better than their fathers have been.
Well said.
You sound like a sweetheart, Birgitta.
The feminist who wrote that her sons aren't safe was right: they aren't safe from an abusive mother.
A little late, but that scenario makes me so angry. Extreme feminists complain and agonize over misogynistic men and how our culture is out to dehumanize and hurt women... Yet these people don't even realize that treating men like this, they create a self fulfilling prophecy. These boys might grow up to be spiteful and less than ideal men because of how they are treated when young.... Nobody sees the irony of this.
@@Zayindjejfj Good for them. This way they create more "evil" men to complain about. What would they do otherwise? Be happy?
@@Zayindjejfj Even more late, but it's right out of "rules for radicals":
accuse the enemy of what you are doing yourself.
This month there was a feminist paper which claimed that women are shorter than men because the patriarchy has been malnourishing them for so long. Honestly. This movement has abandoned logic and entered the fantasy realm of "Alice in Wonderland".
Ucok Alpigari It's a Western white mans fault, when a ricesack in China falls over.
Ahahah I am a woman and I find this claim sooo stupid.
off course women are shorter because of the malnutrition
Jeff ii
Ucok Alpigari I cut my wife’s legs off keeping that bitch short
Every year our managers would have to attend a session with the company's lawyers to discuss legal issues the company might have to deal with. This was in the mid nineties. We were told by the lawyers that men were always responsible for any mishaps between the sexes and made all the men repeat it out loud while the ladies looked on. I was shocked when the men willingly repeated it. A few women seemed shocked about the whole thing as it was bizzarre. I was also told I must hire a woman on the next hire no matter what. (She turned out to fail at the job and was fired after 6 months of failing. I had to document all her failures for an extended time before we could fire her). Women now hold 60% of jobs and over 60% of students in college due in part to preferences and quotas. The same will be said of persons of color because the same mandates apply to them. Yet they still complain worse than the generations who actually went through discrimination (and slavery). Moreover, until divorce and custody laws are changed to be fair, I will not get married again or cohabitate with a woman.
The protected class is just that - protected.
I love seeing women sticking up for men, and men sticking up for women. The fight should not be about women vs men, it should be men and women, together, vs sexism and hatred. Great talk, love Karen!
Karen is truly a hero. An intelligent and courageous woman for truth
My mother told me when I was 23 that women can be the cruelest and most evil things on two legs, she always worried about me because my first wife cheated on me and her female therapist told her I'm what's wrong with her life, because she didn't owe me any loyalty and I am all that is wrong in her life, I didn't want her to use cocain and cheat on me. Her female therapist told her I have no right to govern her life or expect anything from her and I need to shut up and pay the bills and I have no right to expect anything from her. That was my first wife back in 1992.
And yet you got married again?
*First Wife"*
Are you also wearing the clown costume my man? You sure are a one!!
@@Nobody92421 well she do it on purpose or not? you think.. both were tricked.. + god sat the three there to start with.. a death three essentially.. he the evil one.. it dsont matter if they ate or not IMO.. not to mention the whole hell thing.. ruclips.net/video/0vYKZe_Svno/видео.html
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்are you sir wearing the costume ? 1st wife implies marriage afterwards. You don’t say this is the biggest decision of my 1st life ? Makes no sense by implication he was married again afterwards to another women.
Don’t get married, I will never
Her videos are so soothing and healing
"It's not getting any smarter out there." --Frank Zappa
BOOM!!!!!
Frank we miss you!
58,000 men and boys (some 16, 17, 18, 19,20,) old were killed in Vietnam and 8 women who were killed in plane crashes. 9,000,000 males served in Vietnam. I see a small degree of inequality don't you think? How many lost one or more limbs, minds, burns to their bodies, guilty feelings disfigured faces from wounds,etc. Where is the equality in this?
If we ever have another major war where they reinstate the draft men should refuse to go in mass. Let them draft the women, put them in combat units with no men. At least they can be used for cannon fodder. It will never happen, even men that have been fucked by the courts in divorce will sign up.
Well, I think a lot of conservative people had something to do with keeping women from partaking in combat roles, including the military and government leadership. However, that has never kept women from participating in the military, performing other roles, that were helpful and beneficial. Although women's roles in the military were only secondary, it was not without their risks, too. There were women who worked as nurses in the combat field. They tended to wounded soldiers, sometimes even being in the line of fire. Some of them were injured and even killed. There were also women who delivered supplies and amno to the soldiers , which also placed them in danger.
While there is no comparison between what men soldiers had to endure compared to women in the military, women also had their own struggles and hardship.
Childbearing, for example, was a very dangerous and risky endeavor, ( and still is today to a lesser degree ), and many women died during childbirth. In fact, there were more women who died giving birth during the Black Death, than those who died from the Black Death itself. And just as modern medicine and technology had helped alleviate the suffering and reduce the numbers of deaths from childbirth, it did not eliminate it. Women can still have complications during childbirth, and sometimes die as a result, despite the advances of modern medicine. Likewise, the advancement of military technology did not eliminate the casualties of war either. My point is that both sexes experience hardships. We can suffer because of one's gender or inspite of it. I just wish that everyone can just get along. We should all try being more empathetic toward one another.
@@Norm475you aren’t being empathetic towards men at all with your comment. Especially your dismissal of conservatives as trying to stop women from dying in war. Pick a stance. Betrayer.
I love this woman. I am woman and I am humanist, and anti feminist and anti chauvinist.
I am in awe if this woman. She is one of the most articulate speakers on men's issues to ever live. We are blessed to live in an age where we have Karen's intellect and wisdom to help us work through the difficult issues.
She has the delivery, the passion and the source material to broadcast a message that's very hard for the opposition to fight.
From México City, a warm and candid thank you to the organising and sponsoring students for another great talk all the way through from Karen, who for a few years now, carries my own personal and virtual badge as my favorite human species extinction preventer against the evil clutches of feminism.
-just an animator who has gone through some tough shit the last few years but am living to tell the stories with animation. Some day, after I finish getting my shit together and arrive to a reasonable settling. (The story is fascinating and I feel great about myself for showing my ex who is the one with the cohones in place and for the way I have dealt with her wrong doings, with the people and even her lawyers, single handedly). Though I would propbably not be living to tell the story if it wasn´t for me finding such excellent materials from Karen, Katherine Young and Neil, Café Brulé, the MRM, Warren Farrell, John Gottman and many more materials from excellent thinkers and researchers, which helped me not end up six feet under or even stay stuck by confirming that all that I was seeing going on around me was total bullshit.
Also I have a wonderful job as an animator and that helped. Though after having owned my own studios, working as an artist sometimes brings some financial challenges, but we´re in the right direction to create another small success TBA.
P.D. Oh important, after reading some of the comments here, its not just in north america, it´s happening in all industrialised countries and I have found that through the lens of economy in history is that you can better understand the workings of the machinery and just how feminism is just one of the tools used by the powers that be and from there, all the shit the world has been becoming. So I see it as a social symptom and method to stupidly destroy the concept of the family with both men and women paying the consequences in the long run. I read a little while back, that in Canada it was now going to be required to go through a series of therapy or couple counselling sessions before being able to divorce, because of how much damage to the economy the fatherless children generation has done, or not damage but not growth. That´s great but maybe even greater is if we start requiring therapy sessions before marrying and having kids, seriously. So many would be warned about their spouses multiple disorders in a more timely manner, much better than finding them out, until kids are born, because thats when all the disorders really start showing.
So it´s not only happened to American Women that they´ve turned into "Not-desireable co-progenitors" (which I do not totally agree with as I happen to know quite a few excellent american women, couples and mothers).
So there´s a U.N. in Mexico also and of course spreading the propaganda with a huge campaign promoting their He for She event with Emma Watson here two, and of course all the same anti-male propaganda exists here as well, to an offensive level If any man was to take it personal.
So that´s just for everyone thinking that if you simply sway away from american women you´ll be all right, because its happening worldwide as most of all folks here know by now. There´s great women here and there, and there are tons of indoctrinated women here and there, all around the world.
In México its shit because we carry the Macho Country label, though that in itself is another lie and strategy from feminism, as any mexican knows that its The Doña who sends the husband to the couch and not the other way around. Its the overly-pampering doña that mis-educates young boys and creates Machitos, because actually, the ones that still had a Macho father like myself and 4 sisters, kinda learned from their bad examples as to the things one should not do.
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"Any ISM is too much ISM"
"Feminism is the new Mexican Macho, BUT IN A VERY BAD WAY,"
"If you argue with idiots, they will beat you at their own game from experience" - Mark Twain
"Fight the gender wars with love and compassion" - Inpsired by Krishnamurti´s tomb stone.
"Do not fight it by playing the same game and saying: "Women this or that" instead you can say "there are sick people men and women, there are abusive people women and men, there are helpless victims turned into infantilised tyrants, feminist women mostly".
"Read more than you watch"
"Observe and Listen more than you talk" (my ex had such a loud mouth about spirituality and turned up being the worst example, as is with most hippie-yoggie-pseudo-spiritual-KenWillberries".
A woman can accuse a man of many different types of crimes and have that man locked up immediately, even without any evidence. Police are required to take a man into custody if a wife or girlfriend says he hit or threatened them, just on her word alone. Men accused of rape are guilty until proven innocent, and even then sometimes still convicted.
Ask yourself this...….What can a man accuse a woman of to get her put in jail on his word alone ? Nothing. So why would you gamble your money, and life, in a game where women hold all the cards and can ruin your life on a whim ?
Sign a PRENUP!!! As far as the physicality of the relationship and anything she may or may not accuse you of, you'd better have some hidden cameras around 24/7. And that is the price we pay to make our women HAPPY!!
@@davidu8688 I have heard that prenups are thrown out by the courts.
@@Red0660 yup your spot on there, mine was
Al Kirk Mine too...judge basically said “wife was too dumb to understand it”
The burden I'm currently facing, is coping with my mother's soon death (she's not long for this world), my partner has been cheating on me, lost my job. All this can happen to anyone. What makes this a male burden, is that I'm apparently not allowed to be sad, pissed off, that I still get reminded that my partner cheating on me, was somehow my fault, it wasn't by the way, you couldn't meet a more supportive, caring, but strong & capable man. I mean f*ck sake, I even have to argue my case, here, on this channel. Reassure people that I wasn't a bad b*stard to her. How's that for some male burden, huh? TBH The only keeping me breathing, is that my dad committed suicide when I was young, I vividly remember what that did to me, I won't put my own son through that. In case anyone wonders, yes that's enough to keep me going.
I'll be fine mate, cheers. I was having a bad morning, pretty fricken bad. Just need to get my head straight, keep on going on.
WTF? Do you know anything about loss, how the emotions come & go throughout a day. I'd suggest that you read up on the subject matter, start with Kübler-Ross "5 Stages of Grief", but realise it isn't linear, people can have multiple emotions throughout a day. I had a bad morning yesterday, got a phone call from the hospital my mother is in, saying she had a turn for the worse. As in this might be it. So not, nothing I wrote was not an accurate assessment of how I was feeling, how I am feeling. Just after a 5 mile walk to & back from the hospital cleared my head a bit. So my response to you was a thank you & this is how you then act.
"Self inflicted" ruclips.net/video/G2y8Sx4B2Sk/видео.html Not sure how my partner cheating on me & my mother being terminally ill is necessarily self-inflicted. I mean I can see how it would be possible that someone *could* be the direct cause of such a circumstance, it wasn't in my case however.
So this is how you have fun? I thought my life was fucked. Seems like yours is far worse.
Frigid Farmerwhoisrelegiousinaweidway So, i don't need to defend Biggsy he can take care of himself, but i'm sitting here thinking, man i wish more trolls were in places like this, everyone needs something to look at and see how there life isn't all that bad when compared, to someone who HAS to always look down on people, keep up the good work troll, at some point, someone might care what you have to say.
Oh yeah my burning desire to abuse women is a daily struggle, it consumes my every thought, just because I’m a Male 🤦🏻♂️
Karen may not remember but she actually had the Paul Elam talk with me on Reddit over a year ago. I was arguing that Paul is harmful to the MRM and she made these exact arguments in a calm and completely respectful manner. I was not ready to hear it at the time as I am not an aggressive or frankly even assertive man. I was raised as a feminist and have been abused by the women in my life (other than my mother) for the first 30 years of my life. Aggression makes me uncomfortable and though I am capable of it when backed into a corner, I am doing it out of fear and not because I am confident at all.
My point is that I hope people heard what Karen said about the different approaches and how each is needed. I still dislike much of what Paul says but I have come to agree with Karen, after much consideration. He is like a lightening rod for the MRM in that he not only attracts the attention he also absorbs the worst of it. I imagine it must be tough to essentially be hated by so many people when all he is really trying to do, no matter what one thinks of his methods, is to help men and boys. I believe he genuinely cares about men and boys and that is why he does what he does. I don't think he is getting rich. He gets a lot of adoration from his die-hard fans but I am not sure that even that would be enough to be the focal point of all of the ire against the MRM. I am not capable of being a Paul Elam, I am astonishingly thin skinned, overly empathetic, and lack almost any self confidence. I volunteer for studies with doctors investigating male DV victims, I work in support groups for survivors and mental illness groups as well. I share my stories and try to be a cautionary tale as well as someone others, who can speak out loud without fear, can point to and say, "here is an example of how a man can be a victim of female violence, abuse, and child sexual abuse".
I have suffered from a myriad of mental illnesses my entire adult and teen years. Suicidal thoughts and self harm has been something I have been fighting for 26 years now, since I was 16, and what saved from finally ending it all, several years ago, was the idea that what I have been through might be for some reason. Maybe there is some good that can come of it all. Maybe something more than not wanting to hurt my mom or my best friend with my death or my religious beliefs of suicide being the only unforgivable sin. These things used to be enough but I am much more ill, physically and mentally, I am so disabled now that I am all but completely incapable of leaving my apartment. I feel that if I can speak out with my unique (or maybe, sadly, not as unique as some might think) experiences as a victim of 3 different female abusers from childhood up until my 30th year, maybe I can make a difference.
This is, I believe, what Paul is trying to do as well. He's been doing it for a long time now, much longer than I have. I don't like much of what he says, I can't help that, but he and other provocative people have helped bring men's rights to a point it has never been in our lifetimes. People are listening, sure, many people listen just long enough to try to silence us, but that will only work on the diplomatic people, the quiet ones, like me and many other MRAs. These tactics only feed people like Paul and even people like Karen and the other Honey Badgers. The loud among us will get the attention and spread knowledge that is forbidden and taboo. The quiet will work behind the scenes, like CAFE, fundraising to open the first men's shelter. Like the fella Karen mentioned, miraculously maneuvering himself to be on an actual domestic violence panel in California.
I guess what I am trying to say, in my long and rambling way, is that we all bring our own skills and abilities to the MRM and that we should not be dismissive of others in the movement whose methods differ from our own. We are all in this together and turning on each other is exactly what feminists want. They are united (well, they are sort of tearing each other apart at the moment thanks to intersectionality, *snicker*) and they have been united for a very long time as they are an ideology, they have doctrines, they have plans and they are well organized, at the high levels, and they have a taste for the power they have gained due to capitulation and shaming and they will do anything, anything at all, to keep that power. We need to avoid becoming like them in that we depend on unity of the way we debate, the tone with which we speak, and the message we wish to convey. The only unity I think we should have is that we are about men's rights and how to establish the actual equality men and boys deserve. My focus is on domestic violence against men and sexual abuse of boys. I support the majority of the other issues often mentioned but those are the ones I care about the most. For others it is father's rights and parental alienation. Others care most about the over medication of boys and the crisis they face in education. The list is long and some will focus on the entire list with equal attention to them all. We all have a role, we all have a different approach and we all care about the issues of boys and men.
Thank, Karen, if you managed to read this TL;DR post. Thanks for all you do and thank you for taking the time to debate me and the patience to try to make me see another way of looking at how the messages of the MRM can be communicated. :)
Wait, I remember you
How you doing my dude?
The Happy Madman, Thanks for asking. I'm getting by just like the rest of us. How are you doing?
Just fine, thank you.
Thank you for your candor. I have not read all of your comment, but I am with you so far. I, too, grew up being sexually, verbally, physically abused and was also self-abusive and suicidal. I am glad you survived to tell your story. It helps the rest of us be less alone.
Dorksword Thanx 4 sharing with us.
Peace, Love, Dove
Men, everything is not lost. There are woman like me who care for you, love you, admire you and are willing to give the space to be MEN. Don't give up.
Sorry, that ship's gone.
@@CroaticusMagicus word. I'm seasick
Women don't mean what they say.
Stfu
So I assume you are not from the U.S.?
Is it ok to hit one of the other 57 varieties of gender?
lol'd hard
Ha! Ha! 😁😉
The only gender it's ok to be violent towards in male.
Just ask a feminist, or an SJW...
@@Ashigeru47 so does that mean a Male who identifies as a "woman" is okay or a woman who identifies as a make is okay!?? I'm SOO confused!!
Really, it's like this...hopefully if you are Male you only date REAL females that way at least we know the rules! But I am sure that there have been some really confusing cases such as that!
Great comment
Karen is a gift, being a man is a struggle but its one I feel more comfortable doing each day
Men have an instinct to let women win.
When i was in a martial arts and working with fellow women students who had suffered assaults, it was difficult for me to follow their demands and avoiud pulling punches.
I never was able to give them the fight I could give another man. And when I was hitting them at 80%, I felt sick and guilty in my gut.
Intellectializing the fact that I no not only had consent to hit them, but that they were getting mad and demanding it, did not help.
Jack Dingler i had that issue when i was a kid i would always be put against a girl then have to compete for my belt over amd over till i was put against a guy. :(
Brazilian Jui-Jitsu is fun. There's no need to hold back against females.
I trained in Kenpo.
But you're right. It';s just hard for me not to.
Jack but most people or "mainstream feminists" just think that a VERY FEW men are abusers, not most men like these radical activists who blame men for everything.
You should have knocked them out! You didn't do them any favors, preparing them for real world violence! Our stupid military should never cut standards for women soldiers! It will hurt us later!
Thank God this woman understands 🙏🏼
I wish I could talk to Karen , my exwife does everything she can to prevent me from spending quality time with my children, I've never layed a hand on her or my children, it 10 years of marriage I never call her a name but she has called me things that she invented for me. She dictates what I can or can't do with my two children. My 12 year old girl gets so excited and tells me how she went swimming and she's spending the night with her friend. But since she was 5 years old her and my son who is 15 have never spent X-mas or even one night at my home. There mother has made it clear that they will never spend the night at my house. And yes I pay my child support but it's been made very clear that I'll never be treated as there father, my ex-wife told them I was married before knowing there mother and my ex put the question in my children's mind that maybe I have other children, I have no other children and I am not important except I must pay my support and that's all I'm good for.
I toughed it out until the kids were 18, then I moved the phuk out three years ago. I'm still paying the bills for a house I don't live in and cars I don't drive, but it's better than dealing with the anxiety and depression. It's not good bro. I feel for ya. Hang in there. (And NEVER trust a female again!!!) Many platforms... one operating system.
Anubis Smite I’m am so sorry.💔. I can’t even imagine being in your place. All I would request you to do is to not give up on yourself. Please don’t do that. I just wanna say I love you. I know you’re brave. Don’t loose hope. God I actually have tears in my eyes. Love yourself please.❤️❤️please.
Rise up to the challenge, and give the bitch a headache to fight. You prob can't win in court because, hey, we all know they're biased. But at the very least you can turn sour in her mouth your money which she's blatantly gobbling up like a leech. Don't be dissuaded by names she or others may be calling you because they have no manifestation in reality.
I was told by a few people to collect as many pieces of your married life and the decision made against you to record your conversation. At a later date you can give this to your children when there older and let them decide.
I know a man who got divorced when his daughter was 3. His ex kept her from him for years. But when she was about thirty she realized that her mom was full of crap and sought out her dad. He (re)built his relationship, she is SOOO done with her mom, and he gets access to his grandkids.
Hang in there, when your kids are of age they will come around.
Karen Straughan is a fantastic human being . She wants equality for women and men . A beautiful human being .
I am now in my 50s. I have 2 sons and their mother and I divorced when they were young. It was acrimonious. It was mostly made that way by her desire to get everything and her "Team" , consisting of lawyers, the family court welfare system (CAFCASS) and social services having a definite bias and the law supporting this. Her lawyer once said directly to my face: "All you men deserve this",when negotiating our financial settlement. I asked her what she meant by this. I was told that we all deserve to lose everything. I asked her what I had done to deserve this. I was told that I was an abuser. It isn't actually true, but what I had done reasonably often was to argue with her when she was doing things that I disagreed with when they directly affected me.
I now realise that we were probably not very compatible, but I thought we were in love. We both did and said things that were unpleasant, but there was never any violence between us from either side, nor did we cheat. She i bossy and I am quite easy going to a point. Even her school friends used to ask me how I put up with her ways when we went on holiday together, and she tried to tell everyone what to do.
It was pretty even in the unpleasantness. She manipulated the system to her advantage. The ideologically man hating women that she was dealing with had no idea that she was playing them like pianos, but privately she had a great deal of contempt for their ethea. I am very aggrieved that she allowed them to try to make my sons feel that they had an abusive father. Although as the main care giver for three years of their lives, due to her not wanting the job, they had a pretty solid knowledge of my true nature.
Prior to having kids we did have a pretty fun relationship and prior to meeting we had both attended many marches and protests, and did a few together. We totally agreed on politics and human rights issues.
My sons have fallen into the maelstrom of political correctness and it is becoming increasingly difficult to have any conversation that doesn't result in me being called and *ist. in spite of our acrimonious divorce my ex wife has actually said I am none of those things. I also ask them how politically active they have been in righting the wrongs of society. I know they haven't been. My kids are smart and I hear many of my principles coming out of their mouths, but they still have been programmed with the cult of social justice rhetoric which is spewed out whenever certain trigger phrases are said.
What can be done?
I wish my kids had only been kidnapped by a cult like the Moonies. This cult is society.
Amazing! You've said what I've been thinking for a long time. I'm 46 years old, divorced for the past 7 years (no kids) after being in such a domineering marriage and barely surviving it (my suicide was actually a real possibility at one point). And I have completely quit the search for romance. I haven't so much as been on a date in six years. And I feel that I have no interest in it. And this is exactly why. And all these things are completely taboo. You certainly can't even present the tip of this iceberg to women, and certainly not where you have more than one woman present, because the backlash will be scathing and merciless, no matter how kind the women are otherwise. Any respect that I can get from women is conditional on me accepting this role for men, without any reservation. I am so encouraged to see that there is awareness of this among women, even if it's a tiny drop in the huge bucket. Thank you so much for speak up for men, who aren't allowed to speak up for themselves.
I am a 77 YO male and when I was about 12 YO I was walking with my mother on the sidewalk and she told me that I should walk next to the street. I asked her why and she said because if a car comes by and splashes water or jumps the curb the man would get it instead of the woman. WTF
Not gonna lie, you write your sentences like you are in your twenties and I think that's awesome haha
I can't believe your mom said that although this was probably at a time were they Men were respected for protecting women from outside danger. Back when society expected Men to be Men and Women to be Women. Unfortunately nowadays they only hold Men to that standard and not the women
@@monkey-bananas2890 The truth is that Men were never respected, it's all a lie, a false beleif we have that "things were better" no they were no, humans are humans and they have not changed a lot
Hi Norm, I remember my father walking between me and the street and explaining about the protective idea behind it. It was part of a culture of gallantry from men and flirtatiousness from women. As we women moved into more participation in the workforce, we imitated the agitated personalities of the leading feminists at that time. We could have had the changes without the indignant blaming but we took a wrong turn and now the most angry women are in charge of the process. They control most of the media and can dispose of unwanted men via false charges of violence. However, Jung Chang describes in "Wild Swans" how people in China got swept up in the Cultural Revolution. Hundreds were condemned by angry mobs - but then suddenly people got sickened by the cruelty. They stopped joining in when there were "revolutionary" meetings. They walked round chatting while speakers tried to condemn people. The mood changed. I hope that is happening now.
I've always done that anyway to protect her. We can't expect women to treat men well and like traditional men if we can't do the bare minimum and protect them.
well, there is a third option, opting out
Balanced, healthy human beings whether they are male, female, black or white will always get on.
Become shameless.
Learn what the shaming tactics are, and then ignore them, don't let them affect you ... people will call you "cold", but let's consider it's a better way of life than to be "hot" and react violently, because violence never ends well.
Don't go out on any date that requires the expenditure of money (no going out to eat, no going to a bar or a cafe).
Offer physical (even minimal effort like just walking) activities, it's much better to get to know someone, and let her chose the other option (for your date), if she chooses something where one needs to spend money, tell her that she will be paying her part, and most importantly, tell her that she will be paying for herself BEFORE you go, and if she is unhappy, there was a healthy and free alternative that you offered.
That alone is a great way to filter the Thots who only want a free meal out.
If you go out to eat with her (meaning she accepted to pay her part) and decides to take a alcohol beverage, tell her goodbye after the meal. No need for "I was intoxicated so could not consent" type issues ...
Also, tell her goodbye publicly and part ways in front of other people (preferably people you can use as witnesses, so people who work there).
Don't ever let a woman have any say in how you spend YOUR money, money you worked hard to earn.
Don't get married, it's a rigged game with way too few "good women", and even then, there is still a massive risk, so just don't.
Don't have kids unless you are sure you can take care of them (be it you get custody or pay child support) ... if you can't afford kids, don't have any, furthermore, it's highly unfair towards the child if it grows up without a father.
Very harsh written, mate. Good luck controlling your natural impulses to provide and share resources. Better "Be careful with women" I suppose. And shame is an evolutionary developed navigation mechanism in social environment. So it will do no good suppressing it within yourself. It will cause a lot if suffering and self-doubt.
Critical information at 23:20 gentlemen!!
Never let another human being...especially a romantic partner, determine your worth and place in this world.
so true
If Jody Allard's sons are misogynists, the best thing to do is sit them down and explain that not all women are like their mother :)
I can guarantee they are tired of labels and explanations by now.
Excellent presentation of the double standard gynocentric world we live in.
Every week, MGTOW looks more and more appealing to me
André Levy MGTOW is more of a lifestyle, a philosophy. It’s not a movement like feminism. We don’t march down the streets. Yes, you can see men with red pill rage.
No. I can't condone that. That's what the Communist globalists want.
Andre Levy - the Men's Rights Movement is the equivalent of feminism. MGTOW provides men the a strategy to achieve contentment without the need for female approval and validation.
+TheGschultz
>radicalism isn't always the answer to radicalism
How is not participating is radicalism?
+André Levy
>toxic an ideology as feminism
How so? Simply checking out of the rigged game can hardly be considered an ideology.
Don't fall for it... Clean your room.
Another great talk by Karen. Thank you for hosting her.
She's right on all points.
I think reframing it all as Human suffering and Human rights is probably a better route to achieve understanding from opposing camps.
Male privilege is the privilege to be the only ones who have to be responsible for themselves.
And the only ones who have to be responsible for everyone else too.
Long live the free and happy man.
Thanks Karen. This inspires me to work even harder to be a better man.
THANK YOU KAREN FOR CONSIDERING THE PERSPECTIVE OF BOTH THE WOMAN AND THE MAN IN EQUALLITY.
I like Karen. Her kind of logic really hits home with me.
We need to make men even stronger and tougher because life in modern days are not going to get any easier. Society at large in the western countries is against us. Men and women complement each other when we work together instead of fight each other. Life is cold and harsh. Hold yourself a man and stand with your heads up, shoulders back, and conduct yourself in an honorable manner the best you can in any situation. Don’t focus on your mistakes. Dust yourself off and strive for righteousness in the face of adversity. Life is cold and dark but God is your refuge and light to guide you on your journey.
The idea of being "invited " back into the discussion is ridiculous. The time for discussion is long over. I'm convinced that until women and society change let them burn in the hell of their own making. There is nothing that men need to do or say or change. I think that withdrawing yourself as a man from any point of interaction with women and as much as possible society is the only choice left for men. It is only reasonable for one to protect one's self.
“I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
I'm thankful for feminism for teaching not to seek affirmation and validation from a woman. There is nothing that I need from a woman or society to provide acceptance of my existence. I am free because my values and validation come from within myself.
deeply insightful, poetic at times, sensitive and understanding, told with that Karen Straugahn wit
She should write a book.
I watched the red pill the other day and I literally just cried for 2 hours.
Go look up ManWomanMyth's documentary series. It's probably a bit more clinical than that.
20:14 thank you for explaining that which has puzzled me for 30 years. if women are just as capable of men, why do we have a collective responsibility to give them special protections? to atone for the historical sins
This makes me happy, Karen be blessed right next to Mother Mary; continue with this and blessed be thee. Seriously, no jokes, you strange saint.
I love this woman.
I was six years of age. First time in kindergarten. Two girls decided to spend time telling me how ugly i was. I remember it to this day. Wasn't that the equivalent of girls hitting boys?
Japan also has the two day thing. On valentines day woman give guys they like gift or chocolate. And on white day the guys that got chocolate give the women that gave them it a gift of some kind in return.
10:34 that´s the whole thing right there, this woman´s summarizing skill is off the charts.
i'm a huge fan of Karen Straughan. Appreciate her candor and hard work and most of all her bravery to stand up to the nasty rabel that Feminists can be.
I'm such a huge Karen Straughan fan! Thanks for posting!
Karan is so articulate,one of my favorite speakers
excellent video. some of the most accurate info out there... one tiny thought... i agree with ur friend's assessment of the goals of 1st wave feminism and 2nd wave feminism....but i honestly feel the goal of 3rd wave feminism is to completely discredit men , devalue the to zero, then demand their services as slavery to be compensated or recognized for none of it at all.
Just makes you want to go get married as soon as possible so u can serve ur sentence for something bad that u never did.
Karen is a Great Human Being .
Karen, I was going through some of my favorite vids of yours. Where are you. Are you ok. I'll go to ig to check up on you.
Did you find out what happened? Why she stopped talking and went quiet?
@fordshojoe8080 I have not. Such a brilliant lady. I've reached out on social media. I haven't heard a thing. I hope she's alive and well..
She is alive. She responded to a chick 9 hours ago. But, she isn't answering all commentors, nor should.
She’s a very compelling speaker!
Thank you Karen Straughan. My sisters couldn't stand it that I was pledged the farm by my parents and the made me work on it for the 30 most precious years of my life. When fracking started and an old shut in well we had was re-worked all deal were off. Sisters took mom away and accused me of making threats of violence. Mom reneged on her "irrevocable trust" and they took millions in royalties. Now the price of oil has gone down and they are selling the farm as they have no use for it. I had made it my goal to create manufacturing jobs for veterans. All that is left is they have a few hundred dollars a month royalty checks and they have some nice memories of Las Vegas. I have a ruined lower back and both my knees are shot and My hip is starting to go.
That Jake and Josie poster is still in use too! Friend in college sent it recently and it was there 10 years ago when I started college
One of the only sentient women I know. Karen is great.
I was trained through series like Married with Children and then academic institutions that the stereotypes were unjustified. Then I got married.
This made me cry.
At age 60, I have just gotten myself into the internet dating game after maybe 15 years, and the most surprising thing that I see in most women's profiles is that they start of listing all the stuff they have, how hard they work, how much success they have, how incredibly independent they are, and that they "don't need a man but it would be nice to have a man around every now and then". Well, that sounds attractive to a man doesn't it? Sad thing is, this is the belief system most women (at least on dating sites) have. After 4 weeks on the internet, I'm 100% and completely done! Enough of that BS for me. Perhaps MGTOW is my way forward, at least that way there's no sneaky games and female manipulation.
Karen Straughan (at 30:20), "Is this what women are? Once they have gotten to the point where they are full citizens within the public sphere, what they want to do is to take their revenge about things that happened before they were even born? Is that what women are like?"
Of course. Women are human. And this is what humans are like. No matter how you divide them: by sex, class, race, ethnicity, religion, age, vocation, height, weight or eye color - people will bicker and fight and avenge till cows come home.
There is no burden being a man, I do what I want, when I want, with who I want and I'm really good at it. Anyone that doesn't like what I do can jog on....
I follow the mantra of not letting someone else's problems become my problems. Society can ask whatever it wants, I have my own scale of where people stack up.
The bridge that collapsed between FIU and sweetwater in Florida was designed by an all woman cadre. While the company is owned by men, they had to hire all women to get the diversity set aside for building it. The burden of being male includes havind to take the consequences when women fail. I have seen many men go to jail when their wives were just as guilty to protect the children.
I am not an MRA, but an extremely conservative husband for 35 years whose wife and daughters hate feminism. There is something beside the feminist lies or the MRA way. I am glad to bear the extra burden of being a husband because I am respected, I am the boss, and my wife is my personal cheerleader. I married as a virgin to a virgin, and we follow the gods of the copybook headings, who echo the law of Christ. There was an old way that was based on the sexes NOT being equal, though of equal intrinsic worth. It is about complementary cooperation. loveandrespect.com
Thankyou, Karen.
feels like someone just squeezed my heart. kind of weird hearing her speak all the things you live with and have collected in your head. im glad this is here for others to see but it's also saddening that even if most feminists saw this it wouldnt make a difference to them.
My opinion is ..That if this is the way Matriarchy was run so many years ago in ancient days no wonder why men had to come and save our societies. I once believed we would have a better world if women were running the show..I have now changed my mind.. We don't even get along with ourselves or each other..how in the world could we ever give fairness to men ?
I forget who said it, but if I remember correctly it was a woman, “If woman ran the world we would still be living in grass/mud huts.”
no offence to your gender of course, but men seem to have created civilization because of their need to impress and cater to women so they have a chance at reproducing etc.
@@Akaeus agreed,.that is also the way I think. Civilization progressed because men needed to impress women to create families and societies.it all comes down to the alpha male and procreation. That will never change..it is the basic instinct of man.i for one am glad for it, I just wish that those with power wouldn't misuse it.
OMG!
The first 8 minuts resonated with me SO much!!!
every decent man deserves a a karen in their life
What a fortunate man who is married to this girl.
Saw her at mythcon last month. Man, that was a hell of a surprise listening to her.
MGTOW is the way forward.
Yes, yes it is
No, it's just a bandaid. No human lasts forever, especially when nature's cruel treatment rears it's ugly head.
Kick arse speech. One of Karen's best.
The venue this talk was forced to be held in speaks volumes.
It's really nice to be seen. 😢
As usual, nicely done. Thank you
Thank you for this, Karen.
Then along comes MGTOW and upsets the apple cart. Too frelling bad.
Karen gives me hope for women and rekindles my love for them.
44:50 Couldn't feminists argue that having extremist/provocative feminists also serves the same purpose as the MRA having Paul Elam? You could defend those "kill all men" feminist by saying they bring the issues to attention, just like Paul Elam "brings the boundaries of permissible discourse outwards"
Great lecture Karen.
Wedge issues predominate, the message leads us to total separation, hence MGTOW. We're left with a choice of either men being totally destroyed, resulting in societal collapse, or men going completely into strike mode, resulting in societal collapse. We're being engineered out of existence... who might wish such a failure upon us?
Something, something, parentheses.
Those who rule the world and always want more power and more money: divide and conquer...
Thank you for this.
Incredibly sad to hear about the columnist at 10:34 talk about her boys in such hurtful and damaging terms. I speak from experience. That is hurtful to the core. My mother wasn't a feminist per se, but I never heard "I love you", hugged, or show warmth. I feel sorry for those boys.
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Wow, just discovered this great woman! How absolutely REFRESHING!
Go look at her older material. I stumbled on her when she uploaded her 4th or 5th video to youtube. It's been a heck of a ride.
While you're doing your research binge, go look up someone called ManWomanMyth. He produced a thorough documentary series that makes for fantastic background material.
Man I have a cousin who's wife is abusive and plays the victim card like a pro! She will goat him into a fight anytime she feels like she is "loosing control" by spitting on him, tripping, kicking, and or hitting him. I've seen her do it more then once as well he has told me the stories. She's broken his windows in his truck ,carved cheater on his truck (he did cheat after she did for over a year with the same guy, her high school sweetheart and said she wouldn't quit and to "get over it"), and she calls his jobs telling them he is abusive. She posts things on FB and has told his friends and family the same things. The worst was she became a cop and came home one day and shot him in the leg after starting a fight because he wouldn't talk to her on the phone because he didn't want to fight. She sprayed her own son with mace on the same evening because he was taking up for his dad and she took his phone from him and then he took hers and ran. Upon hearing him screaming he intervened and is when she pulled her gun and shot him. She was not arrested immediately but a cpl months down the line she was and lost her job (thankfully!) but not after the damage was done by her. She told CPS and police that he was an alcoholic and abusive and it was "self defense" when he was the one defending their son and himself from her. Thankfully the police saw through her BS but CPS did not even with the son as the witness. He had to do a bunch of anger controll and abusive spouse courses as well regular random drug testing. This is actually in the Conroe Tx news online "Conroe police officer shoots husband". He almost died and had to be life flighted and if not he prob would have been arrested. But it took 2 years for them to finally get their kids back and unfortunately he has not and will not leave her even after all this.
What a nightmare!
The chivalrous saying/practice was " men are to never hit a lady". She is protected under the laws of chivalry for as long as she remains A LADY.
If at some point she stops being a lady, the rule does not apply. Ladies are women but not all women are ladies.
Nevertheless it's against the law to assault anyone - man or woman. Wish that we could all value and respect each other.
Excellent talk.
Well, I'm not from USA, I'm from Europe, eastern part. And it's been the same here. But! Because of the communism women got more emancipated here and they grew more independent (in communism/socialism everyone had to work) - I think it's the only good thing communist did to the humanity.
BUT! The feminism got in, all the three waves simultaneously. And it seems to be more and more messed up. And it's growing. I can feel that as a white, heterosexual male I am at the bottom of the society when it comes to privileges but at the top of it when it comes to guilt and working my gluteus maximus off.
At my recent company, my boss was a female. And I was informed that I don't know what it means to be a woman these days, how it feels to be oppressed. Interesting logic - I don't know their share but they do know mine? ;>
It's really strange that women expect us to be gallant and gentlemen, provide and just shut the hell up and in the same time, the demand equality, security, independence etc.
On the other hand, womanhood mean individuality. Even in so simple things like looks and appearance. Every woman is beautiful, empowerment, be yourself... Women can do whatever they want in this matter - hide something, show something, change something... There are so many canon of beauty for women... While there is only one for a man, isn't it? The same is about jobs, responsibilities... Nowadays women are taught more and more that they can take whatever privilege they want and refuse any duty or responsibility they just don't like. It's different when it comes to men, 180 degrees opposite. Take any duty or responsibility that is thrown at your face and you maybe may be allowed dream about privileges.
Let me explain - I am all for the chances to be who you wanna be. I am for the equal pay for the same job. I cherish the idea, because I pay for a job or a task, not for the gender. It might be even done by rabbits or squirrels, I don't care.
But I would never understand how a human being might want to have privileges without any responsibilities or duties. The older I grow, the more I realize that men are trapped, because any way we would behave, we will lose. And take more duties and responsibilities, being depraved of the very little gratitude that is left in our hands. Seriously, it was absurd to hear this from a female BOSS that women are neglected when it comes to promotions and being managers. And that they have to fight their way through... Like I didn't have to.
The older I am, the more I realize is that feminism is just a card. Just like the race card. Or sexual minority card. And as a white, heterosexual male, I have no cards. I am just to work, keep my head low and provide. If anything goes wrong for a woman - victim card. If she fought her way on the dead bodies of her rivals - victim card. If she just wants it becase she doesnt want to fight - victim card (usually called "parity employment".
I'm not sure, where to find the magic box with my privileges.
Thank you so much Karen for your work. I think that only the women can make things right now, because anything a man would say is either racist, chauvinist, sexist or simply not heard.
Its because you DON'T have women's "MAGIC BOX," if you get my point! They have used their "Golden Vagina," for millennia - that's why it stinks of rotten fish now! 😣🤨🤔😉