I remember reading about the German infiltrators during the Battle of the Bulge who wore American uniforms, and spoke perfect english with an American accent because most had spent childhood in the US before returning to Germany. American GIs quizzed each other with questions about baseball and current American slang that the typical GI could answer easily, but someone living in Germany could not.
My grandpa was 2nd gen immigrant from Germany, even got a letter from Germany asking him to come fight for the Fatherland. Couldn't speak German nor cared about baseball as he was just a poor farmer from MN, but he was in the 704th tank destroyer battalion and guarded Bastogne. These are questions I wish I could ask him, I was just too young at the time.
Hilariously the threat of infiltrators was overblown during the battle and some allied troops were detained by Americans because they didnt know random fact about american whackball
I think Bob sang the anthem a little too enthusiastically, with his shoulders back and his head held high, like a German would. Also, the fact that the two from the 100th could corroborate each other's stories added to the accumulated evidence.
Well, it's official... I would suck at tradecraft. It was clear from a dramatic writing point of view that he was a spy. But I had no ideas how the Resistance actually figured it out. Well done Masters of the Air insider. Well done indeed.
One more detail: The way he wrote 1943 - The descending 1, 9 and 3 are not in total conformity on how it was tought on the US at the time, specially the 9
Was waiting for someone to comment this. Lived in Germany for 4 years. No American would write a 1 like that, while in Germany they write it so aggressively that it looks like an upside down 'V." That's why Germans always draw a horizontal line through the middle of "7" to ensure it isn't mistaken as "1." You can see the face of the interrogator when he hands the paper back (with the date written dd Month Year as well) and see that he suspected him immediately of being an infiltrator.
his handwriting in general is more german/austrian looking than early 20th century american. it's a marked difference, when i lived in austria for a year on exchange i literally couldn't read my teacher's handwriting at first
Bob accent also doesn’t match the dialect. He has either New Yorker and Bostonian accent but his English is very “to the book” compared to native speakers especially city folks.
1) He wrote the date in the wrong order. 2) He wrote the number 1 as they do in Germany. 3) He sang the wrong words (I would say that 99% of Americans start with Oh O Say can you seeeee). 4) He popped out a German lighter, not a zippo. 5) His accent was muddy 6) There was no 306 shot down. Bye.
Historically speaking, it likely would have been a Zippo or Ronson lighter actually. Ronson was more popular before the war. Zippo was becoming increasingly popular, but that was not necessarily the case before 1944.
Maybe it was the date, the flub in anthem, maybe its the lighter... Since Bailey & Quinn can vouch for each other, "Bob" is a complete unknown... Maybe the Belgians/Resistance figures "why take a chance?" if we don't know for sure. In Total War, what one airman's life worth compared to an underground network if they were wrong?
I am Korean American. I'd be killed. We had this conversation at a military exercise this year. What questions could u ask Americans today that only an American would know. It came down to who is Oprah Winfrey
When you watch the scene, the only answer you see wrote down closely is the date that Bob wrote. And he wrote 18 August 1943. An american would have likely written August 18, 1943. A german spy could have easily made the mistake of writting it like he did, the way a european guy would have written it all his life.
I'd give Bob a pass on the date because in the military I was taught to use the day/month/year format, (maybe that was a post WW2 thing) but even I cocked an eyebrow at his rendition of the national anthem.
I remember that they made them write the date. Americans write month,day,year. Europeans normally write day,month,year. They don't show how he wrote it, but that could have also have been a sign
@@Kevin-fj3ff I must have missed when that character spoke Dutch then, however every other character that are in the resistance and should be locals speak French all time, I would assume it was a script decision to not confuse the general audience which I would assume aren’t aware that Belgium also has a Dutch-speaking region
Bob also had the wrong tune for the Star Spangled Banner. That is what perked up my ears, I missed the incorrect words, but I noticed the tune was not quite right.
I thought it was kind of lighter that may have been the clue. I didn't pay attention to the first verse very well and the how the date was put done. That was very good and glad I got my answer.
The national anthem is something any American may not know. How often do you sing it or hear it? And the lighter? Somebody could have given it to him as a gift.
@@dlifedt in reality americans like myself only know bits and peices of it. I dont sing it everyday. Nobody knows it word for word unless you look at the lyrics on paper
It's a question not shown in the show. A question a real American can answer correct and also see as wrong like Babe Buth played in the Dodgers nope that didn't happened. Bob probably said, oh yeah Babe Ruth in the Dodgers he's really gooood! 😵😵😵
Doesn't the Belgian ask Bob in German if he has a lighter, which he immieediatly pulls out? An American would've asked what been unsure and maybe asked for clarification.
No, it isn't. Infiltration is one of those things where the only way to actually be good at it is to not fake it. For instance, many of the CIA agents are Mormon. Why? Mormon missionaries as part of their "coming of age" are required to spend around 2 years volunteering somewhere. This means they literally live and are immersed into the culture for this time.
This is nonsense. It is not made clear at all why they think he is an infiltrator. Another example of a potentially great scene screwed up by the writers...
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I remember reading about the German infiltrators during the Battle of the Bulge who wore American uniforms, and spoke perfect english with an American accent because most had spent childhood in the US before returning to Germany. American GIs quizzed each other with questions about baseball and current American slang that the typical GI could answer easily, but someone living in Germany could not.
My grandpa was 2nd gen immigrant from Germany, even got a letter from Germany asking him to come fight for the Fatherland. Couldn't speak German nor cared about baseball as he was just a poor farmer from MN, but he was in the 704th tank destroyer battalion and guarded Bastogne. These are questions I wish I could ask him, I was just too young at the time.
Hilariously the threat of infiltrators was overblown during the battle and some allied troops were detained by Americans because they didnt know random fact about american whackball
Little did anyone know just how good the Soviet infiltrators were…
I think Bob sang the anthem a little too enthusiastically, with his shoulders back and his head held high, like a German would.
Also, the fact that the two from the 100th could corroborate each other's stories added to the accumulated evidence.
That's good work. I never spotted those clues but now it makes perfect sense.
Well, it's official... I would suck at tradecraft. It was clear from a dramatic writing point of view that he was a spy. But I had no ideas how the Resistance actually figured it out. Well done Masters of the Air insider. Well done indeed.
One more detail:
The way he wrote 1943 - The descending 1, 9 and 3 are not in total conformity on how it was tought on the US at the time, specially the 9
Was waiting for someone to comment this. Lived in Germany for 4 years. No American would write a 1 like that, while in Germany they write it so aggressively that it looks like an upside down 'V." That's why Germans always draw a horizontal line through the middle of "7" to ensure it isn't mistaken as "1." You can see the face of the interrogator when he hands the paper back (with the date written dd Month Year as well) and see that he suspected him immediately of being an infiltrator.
his handwriting in general is more german/austrian looking than early 20th century american. it's a marked difference, when i lived in austria for a year on exchange i literally couldn't read my teacher's handwriting at first
Great analysis.
Thank you!
Bob accent also doesn’t match the dialect. He has either New Yorker and Bostonian accent but his English is very “to the book” compared to native speakers especially city folks.
Man that's some great BS there. Bravo
@@ericdulyon4601 when you learn multiple languages you will know
@@jimmysundberg2376 Je fais. Anglais en francais
Howdie?
His accent didn’t sound American at all to me. As soon as he spoke I knew something was off cause he sounded incredibly German to me.
An American may not necessarily know all the words to the national anthem. But when Bob said, Star "Shpangled" Banner at 0:56 was really off.
personally i only know the first line to the song. If somebody actually knew the entire thing that would be sus
Nah nah nah nah nah nahhhh!
1) He wrote the date in the wrong order. 2) He wrote the number 1 as they do in Germany. 3) He sang the wrong words (I would say that 99% of Americans start with Oh O Say can you seeeee). 4) He popped out a German lighter, not a zippo. 5) His accent was muddy 6) There was no 306 shot down. Bye.
Historically speaking, it likely would have been a Zippo or Ronson lighter actually. Ronson was more popular before the war. Zippo was becoming increasingly popular, but that was not necessarily the case before 1944.
What a bad script
The only one I disagree with is 1 because in the military that’s how we’re taught to right the date so it doesn’t get miss interpreted
How do you miss he said Schtar and not Star?
Maybe it was the date, the flub in anthem, maybe its the lighter...
Since Bailey & Quinn can vouch for each other, "Bob" is a complete unknown...
Maybe the Belgians/Resistance figures "why take a chance?" if we don't know for sure.
In Total War, what one airman's life worth compared to an underground network if they were wrong?
Great points. However the clip has 52 seconds of dead white screen at the end. Just shorten it and it will be perfect.
I had no idea, fixing now. Thank you
I am Korean American. I'd be killed. We had this conversation at a military exercise this year. What questions could u ask Americans today that only an American would know. It came down to who is Oprah Winfrey
I would be killed I have no idea who she is and I don't follow celebrities that much. Maybe you can ask who is Markiplier or something?
What i like about the scene is that they didnt explain why they killed him but let the audience figured out in their own
When you watch the scene, the only answer you see wrote down closely is the date that Bob wrote. And he wrote 18 August 1943. An american would have likely written August 18, 1943. A german spy could have easily made the mistake of writting it like he did, the way a european guy would have written it all his life.
That has the same energy as "three glasses"
I'd give Bob a pass on the date because in the military I was taught to use the day/month/year format, (maybe that was a post WW2 thing) but even I cocked an eyebrow at his rendition of the national anthem.
Also the Americans didn't know where Trafalgar square is a German would know 😁
the way he wrote the date deleted him for sure.
Also the attitude, he looked more confident than the other 2 americans...
I remember that they made them write the date. Americans write month,day,year. Europeans normally write day,month,year. They don't show how he wrote it, but that could have also have been a sign
Wonder how many were accidentally shot
top right hand corner is where you write the date not the middle lol.
He talked in his sleep
The even greater mistery is why these flemish Belgians speak French and not Dutch , they parachuted into Flanders as the on screen text says
Except the interogator is actually flemish and does speak dutch, the other one doesnr but also not everyone from flanders speak dutch
@@Kevin-fj3ff I must have missed when that character spoke Dutch then, however every other character that are in the resistance and should be locals speak French all time, I would assume it was a script decision to not confuse the general audience which I would assume aren’t aware that Belgium also has a Dutch-speaking region
Bob also had the wrong tune for the Star Spangled Banner. That is what perked up my ears, I missed the incorrect words, but I noticed the tune was not quite right.
It wasn't the flubbed lyric, it was how overly enthusiastic he was while making the mistake.
I thought it was kind of lighter that may have been the clue. I didn't pay attention to the first verse very well and the how the date was put done. That was very good and glad I got my answer.
The national anthem is something any American may not know. How often do you sing it or hear it? And the lighter? Somebody could have given it to him as a gift.
IMO you’d either know them or not; he got the line wrong
@@dlifedtwe still don’t know if he was an infiltrator. It was not convincing
@@dlifedt in reality americans like myself only know bits and peices of it. I dont sing it everyday. Nobody knows it word for word unless you look at the lyrics on paper
@@andresramirez4469 Oh I agree they didn't show enough. Personally, I don't know some lines, but I also wouldn't sing lines that arent there
It's a question not shown in the show. A question a real American can answer correct and also see as wrong like Babe Buth played in the Dodgers nope that didn't happened. Bob probably said, oh yeah Babe Ruth in the Dodgers he's really gooood! 😵😵😵
Doesn't the Belgian ask Bob in German if he has a lighter, which he immieediatly pulls out?
An American would've asked what been unsure and maybe asked for clarification.
Huh, yeah, writing the day of the month first is kind of a dead giveaway, isn't it?
So basically the script sucks, cause the injuries, the lighter and the anthem is something Gestapo would have thought of.
No, it isn't. Infiltration is one of those things where the only way to actually be good at it is to not fake it.
For instance, many of the CIA agents are Mormon. Why? Mormon missionaries as part of their "coming of age" are required to spend around 2 years volunteering somewhere. This means they literally live and are immersed into the culture for this time.
You forgot he made a Nazi salute
This is nonsense. It is not made clear at all why they think he is an infiltrator.
Another example of a potentially great scene screwed up by the writers...
or maybe it's not terribly obvious because there's a nonzero chance they occasionally shot the wrong guy dingus