Along with the tendency for those cars to be more likely to be driven hard, which then adds to risk of failures, it's a potential recipe for headaches.
I've got a trade in .....for a Focus it's in pristine condition ( may require a "touch in") 167k miles but it's worth £6000 when should I bring it down to collect my payment?😂
That’s actually not that unusual. ‘Subject to inspection’. It’s a tricky area to be in because it sets expectations with the customer. Pulling back money for undisclosed issues/defects should have been the way forward from there. Mismatched Chinese there’s on the same axle would have set off alarm bells with me.
I remember you saying previously all px's are now be checked before making an offer - Jason chasing a sale 🤣 Interestingly, quite a few dealers in my area are now telling buyers to take their px's to WBAC or similar. I suspect they want them to break the bad news of their px trade value.
Any car that comes in with ditch finders on there needs taking a closer look at. If they cut corners on tyres and they are the only thing keeping you in a straight line, they’ll bodge everything else. Looks like the typical can just about afford a half decent car, but couldn’t afford the maintenance.
True, we were caught out with an absolutely mint 2004 E46 M Sport Touring years ago, 64K on the clock but had different make Chinese ditch finders on every corner, no service history (lost in a house move lol) but bought it on the strength of condition and mileage, timing chain guides went (it was the crappy 1.8 engine) and wrecked the valves, mechanic reconned it had NEVER had an oil change in it's life.
A mate of mine who sold cars for many years people would come in do a deal, and agree on the price they would return to pick up their new car bring in their present motor, having changed the tyres and removed various things.
Good call to move it on. It's my experience those roofs tend to leak quite badly as they get older - and none on the roof specialist will touch them. A retail nightmare in the making...
Roof just needs readjusting or rubbers replaced if leaking. The roof has 2 gas struts which also fail and are easy to change which is another common fault they get.
I recently bought a 2010 Renault Clio mk3 for my daughter as her first car. I spent an hour checking it from bumper to bumper, including underneath and then a half hour test drive. Can’t believe someone in the trade would take in a car without checking it first! If I’d seen that Bimmer, I’d have walked away as it obviously hasn’t been looked after. Cheap tyres on a BMW are a sure giveaway that the owner has skimped on other ares like maintenance
Water ingress on those. Sits in the sills on both rear sides. Easy to fix. Go under each rear sill and remove rubber plugs to drain. Basically water sits in and if left will overflow into the car. I agree though out to trade.
That customer knew exactly what he was doing, I have looked at a car without my car previously, had an estimated value and left a refundable deposit so that both parties can pull out of the deal does not suit when the p/x is valued. Unfortunately its a always a risk when taking in p/x, even your mechanic would not have picked up on the fuel rail issue from a drive. SOP in place to get all p/x driven by a mechanic is the way forward but how will that work on sats.
The high pressure fuel pump is driven by the timing chain, which is at the back of the engine, realistically it is engine out to replace it and when you're in there the chain must be replaced, you could easily spend 600 to 1000quid depending on where the parts are bought....
Hi Joe. I think this Car wasn't checked properly because the Seller was upgrading to a better BMW while trading in a BMW. I'm not sure, but it is worth looking into, Joe. 😢. This Car would be perfect for me over here in Ireland, lol. And it drives nicely. It's not the end of the World. 👌. I love the new haircut, mate lol. Jesus, that BCA Auction is a massive place. I bet this BMW, gets a decent price. Anyway, Joe, great video as always my friend. 💯👌👍🥰 🇮🇪
Place I worked at, you'd hand the customers keys to managment for appraisal, he'd come back with a figure, he'd check it out while you were doing the test drive with the customer, how cars are these days having a quick walkaround with glasses guide and giving a price have gone.
Watch all your stuff really good, and drive past your place every day,, as I live in burnham!!! Ps you still got that Vauxhall antara ,, all wheel drive ???? Only two !!! Cheers and keep going strong !!!!
I remember this the whole situation was a bit “slippery” how he came after hours so you didn’t plug the obd eleven in & maybe do the checks you normally would. Put it in the auction. Bangin out the content like no other!
@@MarkJThrelfallyeah I agree, not that it would do any good, I mean he must’ve had an obd scanner with him & cleared the codes just before pulling into Berrow or drove very light footed.
Evening Fella, is this not a case of people buying devices to clear codes etc before they turn up at yours then doing the same when they come to collect what they bought?
I’m amazed that you assume everyone trading in a car, especially an old shitter like that, is getting rid of it because they just fancy a change, most people don’t change cars until the old one starts costing them big money, or they get a warning that big expenditure is coming. Unless you’re putting trade-ins straight to auction, where cosmetic condition/appearance is the most important factor, you need to assume anything you get offered is going to have issues and price accordingly…
These are not worth selling the N47 engine timing chain problems can appear at any time and then its a huge bill, no way you can tell when its going to fail and its an engine out repair. Auction = sensible way of avoiding future pain. Love your updates sorry zero interest in looking at Insta please keep updates coming on here as well.
@ I agree tbh I don’t know why anyone would stick to BMWs ridiculous 15k mile intervals I change mine every 4000 miles yes it’s expensive in the long run but cheaper than a new engine lol
Some unscrupulous dealer will just clear the engine management light and sell it as a good car, hoping that customers do not do a full and proper test drive. So easily to be caught out if you are buying cars like this
My SLK did something similar when I accelerated hard after I'd had it a year. They cleared the codes and it never happened again. I think I had some dodgy fuel?
I don't think you have been ripped off, in this market a prestige convertible for less than £3K? You know it is going to have issues...big hairy expensive issues. I'm not the punter btw, or his dad!😁 A/C working is usually a hint the owner hasn't run it on a shoestring. Might have been worth saving.
if it was me and he brought it in and i saw the damage i would of said it's worth £2000. So if you don't accept it the deal is off the table. Then i know he would accept it or be back the next day.
Still very sought after models being the LCi. Suspension shocks/struts on e92/93 is hard. Some folk can’t acclimatise to “the firm ride”. Worse with run-flats, especially Bridgestone Potenza RTF OEM tyres. Should’ve had air filter. As airflow measurements and fuel pressures are compared as part of the parameters checked on the fault code generated. Also exhaust pressure before and after turbo and DPF. A lot can be learned by watch live data whilst car driven. I’m sure it’ll be a good project for someone as prices have dropped heavy but not those with n57 engine though. May even be a qood breaker at the price it owes. Happy days… easy come! 🫣 That’s enough dribble from me, lm away to sleep currently the middle of the night for me.
A lot of BMW (and Mercs/Audi's ) are getting their DPFs internals removed and coded out. Illegal of course but if I was in the trade I'd be very careful checking a diesel, the cost of reinstating a DPF and associated equipment would blow any profit. The tuners carrying out this stipulate for off road use only (haha) should be illegal to do this sort of thing!
Not that anyone here is interested but we have the same car, same interior, same white colour but fitted with the 3ltr 6 cylinder petrol engine. It's been with us for 7 years and it's never put a foot wrong. It's a car which is aging very gracefully and somehow still looks the part. Shifting Metal is like a meat grinder for this sort of car but to us private people we see them as a whole lot more. It's such a pity to see these cars slip down the order and become just things to trade on... but I suppose there's no avoiding it.
Your mechanic should have checked the fuel rail pressure in the live data on a test drive, It could have been a simple fuel rail pressure sensor. OBD11 don't do Mercedes, disappointing.
Maybe u should of asked if anyone of ur followers woukd of wanted to buy it as trade Joe ? I would of been interested as of many others I think would of . Anyway another great video mate .
Yeahhh,there's one little thing I forgot to mention... I hit a dear,mangling the bonnet and grill😮, oh and it doesn't like you putting your foot down 😮
Rookie mistake not checking the car . Maybe leave the obd in the office and set up a system check up that must be completed on all cars your buying . Common sense 😮
I dont enjoy seeing you ripped off, its a pity the shyster got away with forgetting about the wrecked bonnet !!, the garage that sold me my Skoda apologized for two little dents, I told them dont worry it will get plenty more !! main thing fsh and it drives nice that OBD gadget is so very clever, you can even catch out the liars who tell you its been serviced, when its just the book stamped
Seems to me the owner of that bmw knew what they were doing by turning up late in the day, in hind sight, should’ve told them to come back at a reasonable time, so you can properly check the car over, and yeah, I know I’m her commenting months later…..
When looking at motors to buy, if its got budget tyres on or mismatched tyres on an axle, I pay it a lot more attention as it generally means its not been maintained properly and dodgy.
Your totally right about checking p exs out more, I'm reluctant to take any, as you end up with all your profit in basically something that's scrap, customers coming to small pitches will have swoppers full of issues, unfortunately for you it's your money and not your salesmans, I'd only give scrap for a swopper without fully checking it out, giving 2 to 2.5k is a lot for something full of faults and damage.
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I tried to buy one but they don't do Mercedes for the device
Does this device only cover VAG or all brands? Struggling to find anything for Peugeot & don't want to waste my hard earned
Likely to be an injector. Highly unlikely to be the hp pump.
40 years in the trade btw.....
Back leaking injector is most likely, especially at 120k.
He knew when to come in just before closing - sneaky....
Sadly, premium cars nowadays, paticularly BMW's and Audi's, usually end up with people who want the image but don't want to pay the maintenance!
100 percent agree 👍
Been that way for last 30 years, but the modern machines need way more maintenance than the N/A engines from 20-30 years ago.
Yeah the old ones got away with reasonable maintenance. New ones are so delicate it's not even funny.
Along with the tendency for those cars to be more likely to be driven hard, which then adds to risk of failures, it's a potential recipe for headaches.
It's not an image with these cars it's actually a stigma. Most like this are usually driven by complete goofs..
Can’t believe you appraised and valued a car without seeing it 😅
I've got a trade in .....for a Focus it's in pristine condition ( may require a "touch in") 167k miles but it's worth £6000 when should I bring it down to collect my payment?😂
@@ryanmccormick2150 😆😅🤣
That’s actually not that unusual. ‘Subject to inspection’. It’s a tricky area to be in because it sets expectations with the customer. Pulling back money for undisclosed issues/defects should have been the way forward from there. Mismatched Chinese there’s on the same axle would have set off alarm bells with me.
I remember you saying previously all px's are now be checked before making an offer - Jason chasing a sale 🤣
Interestingly, quite a few dealers in my area are now telling buyers to take their px's to WBAC or similar. I suspect they want them to break the bad news of their px trade value.
What about the washer cover on the bumper 😂 what a heap. Jason needs a talking too, not his money pissing away.
Common fault on then not that big of a deal, hardly a heap! And not a bad price he paid all
@@BradderzTekkerz your standards must be lower then mine. Dent on bonnet, poor tyres, zip tie grill, I would call that a heap
Any car that comes in with ditch finders on there needs taking a closer look at. If they cut corners on tyres and they are the only thing keeping you in a straight line, they’ll bodge everything else. Looks like the typical can just about afford a half decent car, but couldn’t afford the maintenance.
A car with that mileage and age I don’t think budgets are a deal breaker to be honest
True, we were caught out with an absolutely mint 2004 E46 M Sport Touring years ago, 64K on the clock but had different make Chinese ditch finders on every corner, no service history (lost in a house move lol) but bought it on the strength of condition and mileage, timing chain guides went (it was the crappy 1.8 engine) and wrecked the valves, mechanic reconned it had NEVER had an oil change in it's life.
Hi Joe, just watching that roof go down scared the life out of me, so much to go wrong. 😮😮😮
It’s kinda beautiful to watch ….. but you do wait for awful scraping noises 😂
Great video and content. love the front headlight washer not going back into place. Would make a project car for someone.
A mate of mine who sold cars for many years people would come in do a deal, and agree on the price they would return to pick up their new car bring in their present motor, having changed the tyres and removed various things.
Good call to move it on. It's my experience those roofs tend to leak quite badly as they get older - and none on the roof specialist will touch them. A retail nightmare in the making...
Roof just needs readjusting or rubbers replaced if leaking. The roof has 2 gas struts which also fail and are easy to change which is another common fault they get.
You're definitely not UK based, its always sunny where you are! 😂great content.
I recently bought a 2010 Renault Clio mk3 for my daughter as her first car. I spent an hour checking it from bumper to bumper, including underneath and then a half hour test drive. Can’t believe someone in the trade would take in a car without checking it first! If I’d seen that Bimmer, I’d have walked away as it obviously hasn’t been looked after. Cheap tyres on a BMW are a sure giveaway that the owner has skimped on other ares like maintenance
Water ingress on those. Sits in the sills on both rear sides. Easy to fix. Go under each rear sill and remove rubber plugs to drain. Basically water sits in and if left will overflow into the car. I agree though out to trade.
Ouch! That bloke deffo knew exactly what to do.
you dishing out quality content with ease these days!
big team behind you or just a genius at work?
That customer knew exactly what he was doing, I have looked at a car without my car previously, had an estimated value and left a refundable deposit so that both parties can pull out of the deal does not suit when the p/x is valued.
Unfortunately its a always a risk when taking in p/x, even your mechanic would not have picked up on the fuel rail issue from a drive.
SOP in place to get all p/x driven by a mechanic is the way forward but how will that work on sats.
The high pressure fuel pump is driven by the timing chain, which is at the back of the engine, realistically it is engine out to replace it and when you're in there the chain must be replaced, you could easily spend 600 to 1000quid depending on where the parts are bought....
Fuk that, i'll stick with my nice reliable 14YO Alfa Romeo 😄
Hi Joe. I think this Car wasn't checked properly because the Seller was upgrading to a better BMW while trading in a BMW. I'm not sure, but it is worth looking into, Joe. 😢. This Car would be perfect for me over here in Ireland, lol. And it drives nicely. It's not the end of the World. 👌. I love the new haircut, mate lol. Jesus, that BCA Auction is a massive place. I bet this BMW, gets a decent price. Anyway, Joe, great video as always my friend. 💯👌👍🥰 🇮🇪
Place I worked at, you'd hand the customers keys to managment for appraisal, he'd come back with a figure, he'd check it out while you were doing the test drive with the customer, how cars are these days having a quick walkaround with glasses guide and giving a price have gone.
Watch all your stuff really good, and drive past your place every day,, as I live in burnham!!! Ps you still got that Vauxhall antara ,, all wheel drive ???? Only two !!! Cheers and keep going strong !!!!
Thanks!
Another great video Joe..
Why does Jason go for that popped collar look?? It doesn't look cool for a bloke knocking 60..😅😅😅
Or below 60 for that matter !
Joe any 120000 mile BMW is a pretty scary purchase but with it being a dirty diesel best get rid 😉.
I remember this the whole situation was a bit “slippery” how he came after hours so you didn’t plug the obd eleven in & maybe do the checks you normally would. Put it in the auction. Bangin out the content like no other!
Pity the person cannot be named and shamed
@@MarkJThrelfallyeah I agree, not that it would do any good, I mean he must’ve had an obd scanner with him & cleared the codes just before pulling into Berrow or drove very light footed.
Evening Fella, is this not a case of people buying devices to clear codes etc before they turn up at yours then doing the same when they come to collect what they bought?
It ain't an M Sport - it is an SE - you can tell by the seats and the front grill.
I’m amazed that you assume everyone trading in a car, especially an old shitter like that, is getting rid of it because they just fancy a change, most people don’t change cars until the old one starts costing them big money, or they get a warning that big expenditure is coming. Unless you’re putting trade-ins straight to auction, where cosmetic condition/appearance is the most important factor, you need to assume anything you get offered is going to have issues and price accordingly…
The M3 is gorgeous Joe Thanks 🎉❤😊
These are not worth selling the N47 engine timing chain problems can appear at any time and then its a huge bill, no way you can tell when its going to fail and its an engine out repair. Auction = sensible way of avoiding future pain. Love your updates sorry zero interest in looking at Insta please keep updates coming on here as well.
I sell plenty of N47 BMW’s 😂
All modern 4 cylinder BMW engines are shite, proper BMW's have straight six engines!
@@notmanynamesleftexactly 😁 or the M57 anything else junk!
N47s are great if the oil is dropped every 6k
@ I agree tbh I don’t know why anyone would stick to BMWs ridiculous 15k mile intervals I change mine every 4000 miles yes it’s expensive in the long run but cheaper than a new engine lol
So the fuel injectors were never checked or replaced
That's going to be an expensive fix for the new owner.
I love the M3 at the end. All the best.
Some unscrupulous dealer will just clear the engine management light and sell it as a good car, hoping that customers do not do a full and proper test drive. So easily to be caught out if you are buying cars like this
Sellers are getting wise Joe be on guard everyone is an enemy, no nice guys anymore
My SLK did something similar when I accelerated hard after I'd had it a year. They cleared the codes and it never happened again. I think I had some dodgy fuel?
cheer up big fella!! Good days bad days but I think youre doing better than you think you are!!!
I’m happy Dave! 😊
@@ShiftingMetal Excellent - when you run youre own firm it can get a bit lonely!! KBO fella.
@@davebartos7743Kbo ??
If it smells damp in the boot I would remove the trim where the battery is and check if there is any water in there. Can cause lots of issues
Iv had that on my e90 corroded some the connections. Caused me drama for time
100% there is water under those trims panels. People like to wash cars to often 😅
I don't think you have been ripped off, in this market a prestige convertible for less than £3K? You know it is going to have issues...big hairy expensive issues.
I'm not the punter btw, or his dad!😁
A/C working is usually a hint the owner hasn't run it on a shoestring. Might have been worth saving.
Looks a lovely car Joe🎉😊
Hi, what is the software that tells you its resale score out of 100 please
Lovely car, once they hit over 100,000 things start to go wrong and peeps chuck them in as they don’t wanna spend on them. Good video ❤ :-)
Great vid again, hope you do one on the Jaguar xkr
if it was me and he brought it in and i saw the damage i would of said it's worth £2000. So if you don't accept it the deal is off the table. Then i know he would accept it or be back the next day.
It's S.E. specification going by the seats and chrome roof trims.
All it needs is a buff and some new plates, surely?
A mini valet and new plates you mean - Ala High peak Autos ?
you can take glowplugs out turn engine over if injector diesel will spray out head if it sprays you will know which injector bad
Ok what did the car sell for??
Ideal… ditch finders on the rear wheels of a BMW 🤦🏼♂️
Id be looking at a dodgy map causing the fuel pressure issue. Maybe its demanding too much fuel that it can't supply.
At least you are honest, I would buy a car from you!
You surely have another diesel BMW in so just swap out the injectors and you can test them your self ⚠️
Still very sought after models being the LCi. Suspension shocks/struts on e92/93 is hard. Some folk can’t acclimatise to “the firm ride”. Worse with run-flats, especially Bridgestone Potenza RTF OEM tyres. Should’ve had air filter. As airflow measurements and fuel pressures are compared as part of the parameters checked on the fault code generated. Also exhaust pressure before and after turbo and DPF. A lot can be learned by watch live data whilst car driven. I’m sure it’ll be a good project for someone as prices have dropped heavy but not those with n57 engine though. May even be a qood breaker at the price it owes. Happy days… easy come! 🫣 That’s enough dribble from me, lm away to sleep currently the middle of the night for me.
That old is certainly smart bit of kit ,love a gadget
A lot of BMW (and Mercs/Audi's ) are getting their DPFs internals removed and coded out. Illegal of course but if I was in the trade I'd be very careful checking a diesel, the cost of reinstating a DPF and associated equipment would blow any profit. The tuners carrying out this stipulate for off road use only (haha) should be illegal to do this sort of thing!
Great vid👌🏻
Not easy and limited time to check car over, ok a mistake, but lesson learnt.
Great presentation and well presented.
The complexity of modern cars frightens me.
Rubbish tyres on a car like that are a sign of running an expensive car on a shoestring.
Trying to look like a Premier League footballer on a
benefits budget.
Not that anyone here is interested but we have the same car, same interior, same white colour but fitted with the 3ltr 6 cylinder petrol engine. It's been with us for 7 years and it's never put a foot wrong. It's a car which is aging very gracefully and somehow still looks the part. Shifting Metal is like a meat grinder for this sort of car but to us private people we see them as a whole lot more. It's such a pity to see these cars slip down the order and become just things to trade on... but I suppose there's no avoiding it.
Crappy mismatched tyres on the back = the guy clearly partook in some roundabout drifting action..
what a great car that m3 trust me my son has just bought one and he is a bmw tech in sytner the e92 will go up.
It's not an msport model.
I was just about to say it's not an m sport
Only the seller knows what he really intended, but it could be that he knew how to play you, which is a disadvantage of being online.
Unless I am doing something wrong the discount code is not valid.
Your mechanic should have checked the fuel rail pressure in the live data on a test drive, It could have been a simple fuel rail pressure sensor. OBD11 don't do Mercedes, disappointing.
They checked all sorts
@@ShiftingMetal I'm here in Ireland shouting at the tv, it's bad for the blood pressure. All the Best.
@@Dave-Huston-Dublinso
@@ShiftingMetal did you use BMW software to diagnose?.
Am not on Insta. You can’t leave us hanging, needs a part 2 or a RUclips shorts update when sold 🫡
Maybe u should of asked if anyone of ur followers woukd of wanted to buy it as trade Joe ? I would of been interested as of many others I think would of . Anyway another great video mate .
Sorry, time is money and this was weeks ago. Plus getting someone who's reliable and actually turns up is tricky!
@@ShiftingMetal Joe how much did it sell for at auction and what did you receive back ... regards in advance
Probably never had fuel filter changed, clog, pump struggles supply fuel.
it's an SE isn't it not an msport
Say hello and wave goodbye...😮😅
Yeahhh,there's one little thing I forgot to mention... I hit a dear,mangling the bonnet and grill😮, oh and it doesn't like you putting your foot down 😮
Easily slips the mind 😂
Don't wash the headlights either 😂😂
Black wheels , ditch finders on the back and a stringfellow interior . 3 red flags
We need more of sophie on the chanel or sophie needs a chanel to show her escapades
Rookie mistake not checking the car . Maybe leave the obd in the office and set up a system check up that must be completed on all cars your buying . Common sense 😮
Good on you man
Great content as usual Joe just going to hope it sells for 3 grand
Great vid as usual Joe & Toby
I dont enjoy seeing you ripped off, its a pity the shyster got away with forgetting about the wrecked bonnet !!, the garage that sold me my Skoda apologized for two little dents, I told them dont worry it will get plenty more !!
main thing fsh and it drives nice
that OBD gadget is so very clever, you can even catch out the liars who tell you its been serviced, when its just the book stamped
When you got to tell the car that you fitted a new battery, you know you bought the wrong car, do you text it ,or E mail it
Shame as it looks a nice one. Great video
Seems to me the owner of that bmw knew what they were doing by turning up late in the day, in hind sight, should’ve told them to come back at a reasonable time, so you can properly check the car over, and yeah, I know I’m her commenting months later…..
E93
How much did it sell for
£2400 minus fees was £2304 so great result!
@@ShiftingMetal a cheap convertible for someone even needing work
Joe, love you to bits and love your channel but your sales manager is pants! Arthur Daley in jeans is not a good impression.
A car with the factory wheels painted black is a huge red flag. 🚩 wouldn’t touch one at any price.
When looking at motors to buy, if its got budget tyres on or mismatched tyres on an axle, I pay it a lot more attention as it generally means its not been maintained properly and dodgy.
When they never turned up with the car at the beginning to do the part exchange it should have been a big red flag.
Interesting content
Those seats look like SE seats not m sport
I don't know how people have the brass neck to part ex a motor with known faults. I couldn't do it as I have morals and a conscience
That’s an SE. not an M Sport
Do you ever sell a car that doesn't come back with faults
Don’t think its an M Sport..
its SE model not a m sport wheels a replicas and dont slam a boot lid it has sowft closing system mate
"Sometimes the best deals you make are the ones you don't."
I got old bmw 2006 plate for scrap money but im happy to enter bmw market cheap with 520d m47 good old school motoring
Never trust a dealer that buys there cars from auctions, cars are sold at auctions because they have faults.
That’s where most get plenty of their stock from tho !
Your totally right about checking p exs out more, I'm reluctant to take any, as you end up with all your profit in basically something that's scrap, customers coming to small pitches will have swoppers full of issues, unfortunately for you it's your money and not your salesmans, I'd only give scrap for a swopper without fully checking it out, giving 2 to 2.5k is a lot for something full of faults and damage.
Obdeleven doesn’t seem to cover Range Rover sport ???
Btw it’s not OBD eleven it’s (ii Roman numerals) = OBD2. There has never been OBD 3-10. 😅
There is OBDeleven the brand though, which is what I'm referring to 😅
BMW JUNKS 😂😂😂😂😂