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@@lamaking5956Depends on how you scale the Buu saga. High Ball for top tiers are universal level(Buuhan about to collapse the universe, Kid Buu about to destroy Grand and Supreme Kai’s planet which could possibly be infinite in size, and Vegito who was the strongest character at the time) with the low ball being low multi-solar system level. More recent feats put Saitama at either multi-solar system to multi-galactic. So enough to dominate conservative estimates but not take on the higher interpretations of Z. DBS is straight up out of the question. Universal+ was the baseline when Goku nearly wiped out a cosmic construct with multiple universal sized dimensions(possibly infinitely sized) just by punching really, really hard.
No way Omniman is getting past Nappa. This is the same guy that reduced an entire city to a pile of dirt simply by raising his two fingers after just waking up from a year long nap. The explosion was even visible from space. Nappa quite literally will tear Nolan apart just as easily as we did to Tenshinhan.
Omniman is definitely getting past Nappa, a meat head too dumb for his own good. He still cannot level an entire city by flying and since it is a weak human city it doesn't help him. Viltrumites get their guts ripped out of their bodies and live, saiyans do that they die. It's a wrap plus Viltrumites can survive in space that Saiyans cannot.
Omniman exterminated the Flaxan planet in mere minutes. They were a race of aliens with technology far beyond that of earth and a planet that was just as big if not bigger. Omniman didn’t even actively destroy their planet, he simply flew around their planet fast enough to ignite their atmosphere and create a line of nukes everywhere he flew. He’s killing Nappa bruh
@@SomeRandom-ssjit wasn’t minutes, it took many weeks, months or even years at most, we don’t know. Look at his beard, time in the flaxxan dimension flows differently
@@michaelmurray8134yessir. and we saw that gotenks and kid buu could open portals with their screams if trapped somewhere. so it would be more than enough to burst omnimans ear drums and kill him
I don't think he makes it past saiyan saga raditz. Actually king vegeta or bardock would mop omni man or even the strongest viltrumite like Thragg. King vegeta was shown destroying 3 giant planets with a wave of his hands.. DBZ is just different bro. It's not fair
@TRIPTHEARTIST Yes I'm aware of all that. No reason to say that Raditz stacks up to those people. He was a low class warrior. Bardock was the exception not the rule.
@@THENemesisXX99piccolo effortlessly destroyed the moon in an instant while being supressed . The same piccolo had to put everything in his blast to kill raditz. Raditz is easily on omni mans level plus he has ki attacks. Not to mention great ape
Something to note about the invincible universe is that is that if you fly into someone at vary high speeds, if thier durable enough, you would die on impact as if you flew into a wall at mach 100 in real life. Sooo. . . if Omni man flew into vegeta at top speed, there is a good chance that you would turn imself into red paint.
Vegeta isn’t dense he’s just reinforcing his body with ki. Machines/robots frames are actually hard for Ki users to damage. The strongest of which is the living machine magma thing for the tournament of power arc but other examples are the RR army armored Mechs from the Original Dragon Ball and Cooler’s droids (I left out the androids because they all use ki). Omni Man’s body is far more resilient to damage than anything made on earth so he scales fairly high in resiliency. Ki blast make it easy to take out planets, no need to tank the planets core which is insanely hot and dense, doing it with your bare hands is an insane feat (even if it was a shared one). Goku was burn by lava in the Namek arc, Cooler was killed by the sun in seconds, and Vegeta died as a result of earth getting destroyed by Frieza, since he’s survived in low oxygen environments before it had to be the blast that killed him. Omni man will die to a planet buster as well but survived nuke lvl damage and only got a nose bleed so basic ki blasts aren’t an issue and he’s not the type to let someone as powerful as Vegeta power up or charge up his attacks. He doesn’t play by the anime rules. Him killing his flash means he can defeat faster opponents as well. He could take out Vegeta until after the Frieza arc since Vegeta never gained the insane speed boost Goku got until after the Cooler Revenge Movie.
@@placeholder_384 most ki blast are held back to keep from destroying the planet. Even Roshi could take out the moon but you won’t see him using that kind of blast in a fight. Weaker ki blast still have power but are used more to drain the opponents ki. When their Ki is weak or guard is down even Bulma can hurt them. Without proper ki control, Ginyu was weakened immensely in Goku’s body. Friezes during the Namek Saga was the only exception to the rule, he can survive the destruction of a planet due to his insane durability even with almost no Ki and cut into a quarter, and doesn’t need oxygen in space. Omni Man body is closer to Frieza when it come to his durability,just not to that extreme. He’s ability to resist damage in the extremes for a prolonged periods of time, even if his guards down survive crazy damage from a laser blast that was about mountain lvl and be fine (a super weak laser almost killed Goku when he wasn’t wasn’t paying attention), and he still can fight with organs/body parts missing.
Lmfao you got me thinking about what woukd happen if kid buu met omniman. Kid buu would toss him like a ragdoll, emote dance on him, then blow up the planet for giggles.
Dude if Majin buu existed in the Invincible universe he would be looked at as the scourge of the universe or something. No one would be even remotely powerful enough to do damage let alone kill him. Maybe Atom Eve but thats assuming her transmutation works on majin buu
@@TheUltimateMachineGod well, vegito got turned into a literal ball of candy and it didn't do absolutely anything to him so maybe buu wouldn't care about it
Ill give Omnibaby the benefit of the doubt & say MAYBE he can surpass Raditz but thats as far as he goes, plus ur comparing him moving seriously fast to Goku playfully flying the snake way & even at his max speed he hits Vegeta, who can move at light speed & assuming he wouldnt move out the way, he can tank it while breaking every bone in Omnibaby's body
Depends on how serious he's being taken. If Vegeta is toying with him, he might get some licks in, and maybe get off that last resort attack. If Vegeta is taking him serious, the fight might end before Omniman can process that it even happened.
I think Nappa's power level was only 4000 against the other Z-Fighters, his full power should be around 6500 tops (Goku had to use kaioken to catch up on him and Nappa was doing "OK" after powering up against him). If he goes for the Great Ape form, then it's GGs anyway (even when he is hardcapped at 4000 -> 40000, but I think it would be out of character). I don't see Omni-Man defeating Vegeta though, he would turn into a red mist if Vegeta isn't curious about Viltrumites and their home planet (which could be next).
@@berzerkbankie1342More than increasing his power, it's more that he was holding back, Raditz did it, Vegeta could too, it seems strange that Nappa cannot
711 trillion pounds of TNT? Now someone could correct if I’m wrong but I believe that’s only a “measly” 322.5 gigatons. That’s nowhere near enough to kill Vegeta who durability scales far above Piccolo’s casual vaporization of the moon which is in the exatons(quintillions of tons of TNT) Now I personally think Omni-Man is stronger than this but outside of his speed he doesn’t have much going for him so in terms of raw power I’d say he struggles with Raditz, likely loses to Nappa, and breaks his arm trying to punch Vegeta
The Boys vs DragonBall How far can Homelander survive in Dragon Ball..? Tao Pai Pai will handle him (High Diff) How far can Starlight survive in Dragon Ball..? Bacterian will dominate her (Low Diff)
@@timevalentime1806If we use the lyrics of Bardock's song as proof (heck, the song played while he was fighting Frieza's soldiers),Bardock's power was far greater than 10,000 in his final fight
@@timevalentime1806 Yes, we faithfully follow what the song says, Bardock reached 140,000 power, I also love it because the song directly ends with the 530,000 Frieza's power, so to a certain extent I can take her seriously
Depends, Nolan would, in theory, have much longer to train, he could surpass a lot of Z in a few solid decades. I'd be more scared of Allen learning Ki Control myself, since his power is essentially Zenkais as is.
He'd be unstoppable. Remember that most of the characters power in the show comes from KI. Without it they are practically nothing, maybe slightly superhuman. Omni Man is a moon buster even without KI so if he were to learn KI he would grow insanely fast.
You forgot to mention great Ape Vegeta. If he needs to, he can summon a "moon-like" ball of KI, and all his stats increase tenfold. Omni-Man's last resort wouldn't do shit.
The thing about the comparison, like many other comparisons, is that Dragon Ball and Invincible are two very different series that work under very different rulesets regarding strength feats, and are subject to artistic intent rather than an intentional consistency regarding power scaling even in their own series. Basically, a planet level feat in one series doesn't necessarily equate to a planet level feat in another series, and not all feats are indicative of the actual power a character is capable of as many of these are outliers made for "rule of cool" moments rather than meant to be taken seriously. This can make it really hard to do accurate comparisons for characters between different franchises. My personal speculation however is that Nolan could in fact beat Nappa and Vegeta, but would get stomped on Namek. My reasoning is that characters in DBZ buff their durability through the usage of ki control, and also use the same ki control to buff their physical attacks. They're not using the actual strength and durability of their bodies, and so when caught off guard can be injured or killed as easily as any ordinary human, such as when Goku got shot by a laser pistol in the RoF Saga in early Super. Considering the speeds Nolan is capable of moving at (he can reach whole other galaxies in under a week, so definitely MFTL) it should be entirely possible for him to simply speed blitz Nappa and Vegeta before they have a chance to defend themselves. However, he's going to encounter problems on Namek, especially in regards to Freeza. Freeza is a mutant and natural prodigy who became the strongest (or potentially second strongest, after his father) mortal being in the universe without ever so much as a single day of training in his life up to that point in time. He's a monstrous and terrifying presence who many have tried to kill and none have even come remotely close, so it's safe to say that regardless of outward appearances his guard is never truly down. Simply attempting to speed blitz him isn't going to work for a quick, cheap kill and he's physically powerful to such a sheer degree that Nolan just frankly does not stand a chance regardless of how feats are scaled. Freeza's power level is so many times higher than Vegeta's was in the Saiyan Saga that it's frankly quite unhinged. Vegeta was introduced at 18,000, by far the highest power level in the series up to the point of his introduction. Freeza on the other hand at his strongest ranks in at a power level of 120,000,000. It's such a massive and absurd leap that it's hard to even comprehend it.
I’m not so confident about him speedblitzing vegeta, as its said especially in DBS that vegeta almost ALWAYS has his guard up. It would require you to have a fully off guard vegeta at the start of the fight, which is just kinda a handicap at that point. Even at half his power he’d be able to take a few hits, as nolan would at best be 1/3 planet level, MAYBE half, while some statements put full planet level at 10000. Which would mean that even buffing omni man up to full planet level and vegeta at half his power, he’s still only marginally stronger than vegeta with a 10k to 9k measure. Vegeta has also shown to be able to tank attacks for an extended period of time that surpass him greatly, such as him tanking the x4 kaioken kamehameha (almost twice his power at 32,000) and coming out of it mostly alright. Nolan’s likely not getting past vegeta
@@dreemurrprince Roshi could blow up the moon when he only had a power level of about 100 back in the original DB. If we assume the moon is about one tenth the size of the earth and apply the logic that things don't scale up evenly and that you need exponentially more energy to blow up larger things (the square cube law), it makes sense that it could require 100 times the power level to blow up the earth compared to the moon, which would put the minimum at somewhere around 10,000. Comparatively speaking, Raditz is at a level of about give or take ~1000 to 2000 when he arrives on Earth. Nappa is at around ~4000, and Vegeta is at about ~18,000. This means that out of the three, Vegeta's the only one with enough power to utterly destroy the Earth if the previous calculation is correct, though the others could probably still do some serious damage. As we know Nolan is not planetary, attributing him a DBZ power level (which technically isn't correct since he wouldn't have ki) would probably place him somewhere in the same ballpark as Raditz and Nappa as opposed to Vegeta, so he's definitely going to be disadvantaged. However, we do learn throughout the series that much of what the Saiyans believed about power levels in the early parts of Z in which the concept was introduced was actually propaganda perpetuated by Freeza and his father to help prevent them from having to deal with uprisings against them. The lies are generally founded on basic truths, but are meant to make warriors believe that it's completely futile to put up any resistance. For instance, one such lie is that you are born with your power level and it never changes, something that gets debunked many times over through the course of the series. Another of these lies is that whoever has a higher power level always wins a fight, one that many fans still believe to this day despite it being debunked in the very first fight in DBZ in which Goku and Piccolo are able to team up to defeat the stronger Raditz, something that wouldn't have even been necessary if Goku had been more proactive about using Raditz's tail as his weak spot. This ties into my reasoning regarding Nolan potentially being able to speed blitz Vegeta; Yes Vegeta has a high power level and yes he tends to always have his guard up, but destructive power doesn't equate to defensive durability as the way ki control works requires fighters to actively raise their ki shields to defend against attacks. Vegeta would need to know there was an attack coming to defend against it, and since Nolan's speed isn't connected to power level like it would be for DBZ fighters he's able to move at speeds much, much faster proportional to his strength compared to them. It should be more than possible for him to attack an on guard Vegeta with enough force to kill him before he has a chance to defend against the attack, as Nolan would be moving at speeds too fast for Vegeta's enhanced senses to register in time, let alone move into a defensive posture before impact. He'd be catching Vegeta "off guard" in the sense that he wouldn't specifically be on guard against his attack. Granted, this would require a sneak attack. Because of Vegeta's enormous power, he should be more than capable of keeping his defenses up sufficiently to block anything Nolan could do if he is able to predict it ahead of time. Effectively, if Vegeta's knows about Nolan as a potential threat, it's over. Trying to take the chance to make a dramatic entrance instead of going straight for the kill shot would give Vegeta a massive advantage, dooming Nolan. It really boils down to how likely it is for Nolan to attempt a speed blitz right off the bat rather than trying to look intimidating, giving his presence away. Freeza, like I mentioned before, is a whole different beast however. The leap in power from Saiyan Saga Vegeta to Namek Saga Freeza is truly absurd. His power level is so high that even at the speeds Nolan could move Freeza should be able to defend against it, and even if he couldn't he'd probably just tank the attack regardless since his ki shield would be so absurdly strong that such an attack wouldn't even require a defensive posture to defend against. It would be like when Hercule was punching Cell and doing no damage. There's really nothing Nolan could do against such a terrifying opponent.
@@Crow_Rising Not really sure I buy that, though, Vegeta is hardly ever off guard even in a safe situation, especially said by whis. Unless he’s being entirely sneak attacked without any forewarning (even then I doubt vegeta would go completely down below half his power at any given moment before the android saga when he BEGAN to chill out) he’s still STUPIDLY durable. Even though Vegeta had a smaller advantage against Cui (24k to 18k) than the X4 had on him (32k to 18k) he was still pretty okay even after being stuck in the attack for an extended period of time, while Cui was completely vaporized. Unless Nolan gives him the red rush treatment I just don’t see any reasonable way for him to do any significant amount of damage.
@@dreemurrprince Cui's problem was that Vegeta had ample time to raise his ki barrier. They had a conversation before their fight even started, and so there was no hope for Cui to bypass Vegeta's defenses from the start. Even if he had managed to get a sneak attack in though, because of how speed works for Dragon Ball fighters he wouldn't have been able to get as much of a boost from it as Nolan could. Nolan's speed isn't tied to anything like ki, so he's just simply capable of extremely fast movements that completely dwarf anything Vegeta would be capable of at this time. He can reach distant galaxies in mere weeks if not days, and does demonstrate the ability to use this speed in combat in some circumstances, using it to ignite the atmosphere and destroy whole cities just by blitzing through them. As such, he's entirely capable of speeds that would allow him to attack Vegeta with lethal force before he could raise his ki barriers to heighten his durability, as even his heightened senses from his power level wouldn't be able to perceive it coming. He'd be dead before he even knew Nolan was there. While just having a higher power level in general does somewhat boost durability for fighters in Dragon Ball, it's not as effective when it's not intentionally manipulated in such a way as to specifically block an incoming attack. Furthermore, these defenses are mostly effective at countering other ki users, either their ki blasts or their ki enhanced melee attacks. Simple explosive devices such as the bombs planted within Android 16 or more recently Cell Max are stated to be capable of killing the Z Fighters despite being well under planetary in damage potential. Nolan would be plowing into Vegeta at massively faster than light speeds beyond his comprehension without any assistance from ki, so without being able to specifically raise his defenses against it in time Vegeta shouldn't be able to survive simply due to the sheer magnitude of kinetic energy slamming into him. In all honesty I'd have more confidence on this working on Freeza too if not for just how ridiculously powerful and durable he is due to being a mutant with a power level reaching well into the millions. Even if he does somehow take massive damage such as being chopped in half or into tiny bits, the individual pieces of him are still capable of staying alive and he can recover from being pieced back together or receiving bionic replacements. The odds of Nolan being able to inflict that much damage on Freeza are miniscule however considering the sheer magnitude of his power level and therefore his enhanced senses. Even at Nolan's speeds, it's not so unthinkable that Freeza could successfully see such a surprise attack coming and defend against it, or even just dodge it entirely, or counter it with a lethal attack of his own such as a death beam or a simple punch.
I liked to point out that 7,116 Tsar wouldn't be enough to kill Vegeta if Piccolo who vaporized the Moon and Raditz no cell that ki blast is basic 5 billion Tsars at worse.
Well, it's simple really. 700 trillion pounds of tnt is about 300 billion tons of tnt, you need about 60 trillion tons of tnt to blow up the Moon. So it's not even close to the power Piccolo showed when he turned the Moon to dust ( that would take WAY more energy btw ). So Onmi-man can't even beat Goku or Piccolo from the start of Z. Well, unless he fly them into space i guess. Omni-man can even kill demon king Piccolo. Roshi could blow up the Moon but was powerless vs demon king Piccolo.
2:39 why 330.000.000 km/h or 92km/s? You only used 3h to travel don't you ? He is slower than that he took bare minimum 24h (kaio says more than a day but less than 2)+ 3h of vegetta waiting + the time of the battle ~ 1h = 10km/s or 36.000km/h
I'm fairly sure planet Vegeta is commonly considered to be 10x the size of Earth but in order to have 10x the gravity of Earth, it would have to be close to 5000x Earth's size. There's a scene of King Vegeta, don't remember if it's filler or not, where he destroys several planets of indeterminate size simultaneously by simply lifting his arm and Vegeta is 80% stronger than him by the time we first see him fight. Planet Vlltrum is about 2x the size of Earth. If Roshi can destroy the moon at the low hundreds of power levels, Radditz is 15x that so he should, in theory, be able to destroy planets larger than Earth since power levels in the early stages seemed to be linear and Earth is only 4x the size of the moon. Radditz also dodged a light-speed attack while in Earth's atmosphere and it was unaffected, so while Nolan is definitely capable of moving MUCH faster than light, he tends not to when in a planet's atmosphere since it would leave nuclear explosions in his wake. Radditz also tanked blasts from Piccolo, who by this point was MUCH stronger than Roshi and probably planetary in his own right. So, Radditz is capable of dodging light-speed attacks while in an atmosphere (for some reason), capable of destroying a planet at LEAST the size of Earth, and durable enough to be unaffected by attacks coming from people that are also capable of destroying Earth. Omni-Man caps out somewhere before Radditz and I doubt Thragg or end-of-series Mark do much better. They certainly don't make it to Vegeta.
Size is just a measure of volume, you’d need to consider the celestial bodies mass to really figure how hard it would be to destroy it, even though it’s only 4X the size, it’s would still be over 1000X as difficult to destroy the earth compared to the moon
@@monkeymonman100 The Earth is 81x the mass of the moon. It wouldn't be 1000x harder even by your own logic. In terms of attack potency, being 4-10x moon level would still make you small planet level and that's pretty much exactly what we see in the show.
@@MonochromaticPrism If you apply DB physics to Omni-Man, it makes him less impressive by comparison. He hasn't shown FTL combat speed feats and he needed help to destroy (not vaporize) a planet that's twice the size of Earth. If you apply real world physics to DB characters, it makes them that much more busted. Again, Planet Vegeta would have to be 5000x the size of Earth to have 10x the gravity. So they may not be able to move FTL in an atmosphere like they commonly do, but neither can Omni-Man and they dwarf him in power even harder. Best thing to do is to be reasonably charitable to both sides and assume that Omni-Man can keep pace with whoever he's fighting from DB and then determine who has better attacks, who's stronger, who's more experienced, etc. If you do that, he still doesn't get past Radditz.
@@DarthVaizard the difficulty to destroy planets isn’t linear, being 81X the mass and only 4 times the volume is way different than being 81 times the mass and volume
One correction. Viltrumites do not have weak ears. They have a weakness against a very specific frequency which messes with their equilibrium. Thats why it took cecil so long to find out what it was since there is a near infinite amount of frequencies that exist
I would say he would survive as far as the Frieza Saga and that'll be about it but is he going to the same training that the others do cuz that could make a huge difference
711 trillion pounds of tnt is only 1.35 quintillion kilojoules of force. That is a tiny, tiny, tiny, TINY fraction of the force required to outright detonate a planet. Vegeta doesn't even need to use his max 18k power level to destroy a planet, and even if he did need to, he survives being hit by a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha. The Kamehameha is a strong blast on its own, and it overpowers Vegeta's full power Galick Gun; he gets off of the Kamehameha after being hit directly by it without much in the way of obvious injury. But the blast was still attempting to carry him out to space, it didn't outright detonate and do full damage, so it's reasonable to assume he survived at least an *_equal_* attack with no consequential injury. In DBZ, a character's offensive capability is by and large proportional to their defensive capability. I feel like if that's as hard as Omni-Man hits, using raw force, he would practically bounce off of Vegeta.
im willing to bet omni man gets clapped by ONE saibamen ! I don't think y'all understand the difference between a power level of 130 which can destroy the MOON, to a power level of 1,200 / and power levels are not linear since Goku with a power level of 10 at the start of DB (he struggled to lift bulmas small car ) is not just 13 times weaker than Roshi who vaporized the MOON. omni man is large country level at best , he still needed 2 others of similar strength to destroy a planet.
I dint think you understand the difference from what a ki blast can do and what you can do off raw sheer strength, omni man feats are from pure strength and speed while most big feats in dragonball are done by ki blast but that doesn't mean they can tank the same thing they can destroy such as destroying a planet but they wouldn't survive a planet explosion if caught in it
Gokus kamaheha can destroy a planet and has to be aimed at space every single fight, Omni man took a week to destroy one planet that was still in tact afterwards...... Why are people even debating this?
Well there is something that someone already pointed out, Durability. let's say Omni man did ran into Vegita at full speed, whos to say that it won't damage Omni man more than Vegita? People tend to forget that in dragon ball, ki not raw physical strength is what really does all the damage as well as protect from attacks that could destroy planets. Remember, buu arc super saiyan goku could only lift 400 tons, but he still had the power to destroy the planet something that would require 600 zettatons of power to dou
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Ki is not an enhancer to physical strength, you don't see people in dragon ball punching planets and exploding them with their raw power. Only when there is ki involved
This was an insane lowball for both sides. Everyone in this video is easily lightspeed like how omniman traveld to another galaxy in 2 weeks and kid goku dodging an attack that used light and piccolo destroying the moon at the speed of light. Alongside the fact thar piccolo destroyed the moon to the extend of isr debris falling to the earth at near lightspeed can be calculated to small planetary and king vegeta who was weaker than vegeta was as a child was able to destroy multiple planets with a wave of his hand
Kid Goku frequently lost fights to other humans, such as Nam or Tao Pai Pai. Sure, he does become stronger and faster over the course of the series, but to say that he has faster than light reflexes or can even move faster than life yet still have difficulties fighting other humans is just ridiculous. I prefer interpreting things like dodging light attacks in a different way: like he sees the guy pointing the gun and tightening his fingers on the trigger, so he is quick enough to dodge the direct line of the gun, but he's never faster than light. He reacts to the movements of the human, not to light itself. When he's fighting he's hyper aware of his surroundings and has very good reflexes. That's enough to dodge light attacks without being faster than light. A lot of the moon destroying and planet busting scenes are just filler that the show created, but they're nowhere to be found in the manga. If you watch DBZ Kai, which is a more accurate portrayal of the manga, you won't see any planet busting until late in the Buu saga.
@@El3ctr0Lun4 the humans in dragonball aren't the same as in real life like the average tournament fighert would be a 50 times black belt in multiple martial arts but in real life the best fighters in history only reach around 3 time black belt status in only 1 martial arts. Thats not even considering power. If the strongest humans are dozens of times below the average fighter it means average fighters in dbz can punch at super sonic speeds and with tonnes of force. Then fighter like Tao and Nam are even higher than those standards and are far below goku and king piccolo. Along with feats like dodging lightspeed Lazer and the solar flare it wouldnt be to crazy that the high tier humans and goku would be light speed in their fights
My theory is Master roshi can blow up a moon because of his pure mastery and control of ki. It has been shown that even with similar power levels, ki beams can varie in power. This is proven when goku used his kamehameha against raditz and his power level over doubled. Another example his vegeta upgrading his final flash to his final shine attack which is stated to be a better version of final flash which directly contradicts that ki beams are equal in strength. Master roshi's moon buster power might be because it didn't take him 50 years to learn it, he said that it took him 50 years to perfect so he might have learned it much earlier and dedicated his time to mastering it which creates his pure and perfected kamehameha which toriyama states himself is the purest and most powerful version of the kamehameha (ignoring power levels and off-shoots). His power could be shooting up 5 6 or hell even 8 fold when he uses it. Which is similar to the destructive power of piccolos beam destroying the moon even though piccolo is far stronger than master roshi at this point. A power level of 600-900 could be enough to destroy the moon for all we know.
Going back to the Inconsistencies of dragon ball power levels. King Vegeta having a power level of below 10,000 but casually blowing up 3 planets at once. 😅
Biggest thing against Omniman, he doesn't have ki, which was what you were comparing Roshi to him. There are very few strength feats that don't include Ki, but SSJ3 Goku does punch a hole through King Kai's planet in battle of Gods (which is smaller than our moon). He doesn't scale that high, but Omniman may do more than what people expect.
thing is, in db they have ki blasts, but nolan is stupidily stronger, as he deflected a meteor the size of texas and destroyed a planet alongside other 2 viltrumites with sheer brute force. If nolan is faster, he can easily one punch kill them, as he is with no doubt many many many times physically stronger than every character in the saiyan saga, i would even go as far as saying namek saga but not against ssj goku nor frieza final form
There is a difference between power and strength. Striking strength and lifting strength. Ki amplifies everything in dragonball. This includes striking strength,lifting strength, durability,speed, and destructive power. Being physically stronger doesn't mean anything if you aren't more powerful than the ki that protects them. It's just different powersets. And quite frankly dbz's is better and far more versatile. Also far more powerful.
big question, is does omni man know the strength level of his foe at the start of this fight (big diff between fighting a cub scout and fighting homelander). omni man has centuries of military exp, he isnt going to just lie down and die with the first punch
I have thought this through myself. If we compare Nappa's 2 finger city destroyer with the space beam sattelite, it would at least give Omni-man a nose bleed. If Nappa could hit him with a ki-charged fist, that might do some damage but Omni-man is too fast for that, plus Nappa is pretty crazy. Though when calm, he could put up a good fight. However, Nappa, while being huge, can dodge very quickly. We saw him fight 1 v 6 when Krillin and Piccolo did the dividing technique (while Omni-man almost died beating the Guardians of the Globe). Then there is the question of how durable the Saiyan armor is. We know Vegeta can punch through the ones worn by the Frieza Force such as Zarbon and Qui. But that was after some zenkais. While Goku Kaioken x3 did not break it with a full force punch. Omni-man can crack a mountain, we have seen that. Ok, now onto Vegeta. Some things to note here. Omni-man is a veteran soldier, who trained against people of similar level. Whereas, Vegeta never really had any rivals beside Qui and most of his fights were pretty easy. Though it was suggested, they might need Raditz and Kakarot for some planet. Vegeta can fight, clearly but he is more warrior than soldier or martial artist. Vegeta's ki-laced punches would outright kill Omniman but he could take some regulare hits. His speed is again a huge factor here. He might out speed Vegeta. But can he dodge ki-blasts? If not, he is dead meat. And then there is the Oozaru form, which he could only fight if say he got into it's mouth and attacked from the inside (mouth beam is a problem tho). I doubt he could cut the tail by hand, he could maybe blind him flying at his eyes. So maybe, he could out speed Vegeta and do some damage to him. I could see that happening. However, the Ginyu Force would be too much for him. Burter and Jeice would be about as fast as he is, Recoome is too damn sturdy (but leaves himself open), Guldo = xP (he can't slow him down enough) GInyu could kill him though. He might consider taking the body, since it lives so long and has advantages. But that's about it. Frieza would eat him in his First Form easy.
The main problem with what you're saying is that you're under the assumption that travel speed is the same as reaction speed, toddler Goku was dodging lightning and even raditz is obviously hundreds of times faster and more powerful than him at that age, Omni man is slow when it comes to fight speed compared to the Saiyan saga
@@ItsAme7143 I guess we could say Omni-man can't utilize is crazy speed in battle. You remember how fast he is going when destroying that alien planet. You would think, he could use a fraction of that. Even superman can at least dodge quick in combat. Though he is also slowed down probably because he would bee too good.
Few things that you might reconsider, Nappa has indeed a power level of 4000 but when Vegeta tells him to calm down and take on Goku for real, his power surges to about 7500. He then goes toe to toe with Goku who is just over 8000 (9000 is a dub error). Goku then states this fight could drag on forever. Which is why he used the Kaioken as a quick multiplier to finish of Nappa quickly and catch him of guard. Besides that if Nappa has a moon available (I don’t know if he can create an artificial one like Vegeta) his power will increase tenfold. And he probably too can control his oozaru transformation. While Nappa’s battle IQ might not be that high I seriously doubt Omni man could stop a Nappa with a potential powerlevel of 80.000 max. Recoome is only a 40.000 and you saw how he slapped around an even stronger Vegeta. Even if he manages to beat Nappa, Vegeta stops him easily with a max power level of 180.000 up his sleeve. Remember that’s more than captain Ginyu who only has 120.000.
Omni-Man is not getting past Radditz. Piccolo casually destroying the moon trumps anything Omni-Man has ever done, and Radditz clowned on him and Goku at the same time.
quick corrections: Roshi in his base has a power level of 139, yes. but his buff form is stronger an we don't know how much stronger he is. and with a PL of 139 he probably could not destroy the moon. whereas Piccolo destroyed the moon with a PL of 322. not that it changes much, but it's just false infomation. THOUGH, both completely blow it appart beyond their gravitaional pull, which would make these feats not moon level but actually almost planetary... Nappa _can_ desroy planets. even radditz can. hence Saibamen also can. the PL of 10.000 statement is what it is. a statement. but a statement, which is proven false by feats and scaling, so it doesn't hold much water to anything. ALSO don't forget that Earth is a small planet. it's likely that the PL of 10.000 statement also only applies for medium or big sized planets. and planets in Dragonball are ginormous compared to our universe. Jupiter. a huge planet close to being a brown dwarf has gravity of 2,5G. Planet Vegeta for example has a gravity of 10G. so it's MASSIVLEY bigger than Jupiter, what we consider very big our world since Omniman's best feat is below planetray in DB he'd be around moon busting Piccolo lvl in strenght wise. HOWEVER! speed. Omniman is too fast... way too fast for early DBZ... he may not be able to properly damage a saibaman. but he will just outspeed any Saiyan Saga character. or even any frieza saga character. hell, any Cell saga character even. he won't beat them by punching them, but... he can just... outlive them. how climactic. though Goku could prolly do something with his instant transmission. omniman crashing into Vegeta woudn't do shit, either
@@romallohenry5700where did you get that number? 💀 you need at least 100 to destroy the moon, king vegeta had less than 10k and destroyed 3 planets by waving his hand
@@unrandommas181 Lol if you said this a while ago you would have been right but now you are wrong, every oficial dragon ball content is canon but to different timelines so yes king vegeta destroying a planet with a wave is canon to the series 😚
Omni man is definitely planetary and even if he was one of three to destroy a planet he was pulling his load which is still far more than any saiyan. Flying through a planet is different from blowing it up with energy which anyone can do in DB past a certain point so it isn't special anymore. The former is way more impressive. Omniman would make it past Vegeta and Nappa, the latter is too dumb and the former needed a moon to beat his opponents plus he's arrogant and doesn't have thousands of years of experience fighting enemies. The FACT that Viltrumites can survive the sun for a little while Saiyans cannot already tells me Nolan's got this and he won't toy around with them.
You’re literally just meat riding at this point. If he was planetary, he wouldn’t have needed help. Also Ki is literally a part of them, it enhances their physical strength.
I mean, he kinda was during the Pilaf arc, but so was everyone else. I don't think he is a gag character, he has limits, flaws and weaknesses and Roshi, general Blue, grandpa Gohan, Tao Pai Pai or Piccolo Daimao exploit them fairly good.
Its hard to scale characters from different shows due to the difference on how power works and how closely each show obeys the real laws of physics. For example, in dragonball, they consistenly move faster than sound and yet never never cause a sonic boom. It seems like Invincible is a little more strict with this type of thing. Also, in dragonball, typically but not always, strength and speed go up proportionally to eachother with a character's power. Dyspo, Burter, Guldo, Hit etc are outliers in this. The best way to do this, is a range. At worst, Omniman is Raditz level. At best Omniman is Namek saga level. We can average that to between Nappa and Vegeta, which is what you said basically. Anyways, just a longwinded way to say I agree lol
I don't see how Omniman is Namek saga level, also what exactly do you mean by Namek saga? because The power levels were everywhere there, from 1500 (planet+) to over 150000000 (galaxy level),
Omni-Man can move billions of times faster than light and can shatter the moon twice over. He'd make it a wee bit further but I have next to no knowledge on DBZ so any education would be appreciated.
He compares him to the villains from the beginning of the Dragon Ball Z saga, the weakest in terms of pure power in the "Dragon Ball Z" universe and after the "Sayans arc" of which he speaks, Vegeta sees his power multiplied by 'infinite via all the struggles he will experience. Before the Dragon Ball Z saga there are already characters from the "Dragon ball" saga who can destroy the moon and they are so weak that Raditz could kill them with one finger and it is the weakest in the sayans saga. Basically, omni-man would just stand against Raditz the weakest of the sayans and would surely beat him, against Nappa in my opinion he could beat him but at the cost of his own life and i'm not sure... Against Vegeta he couldn't do anything, that would be like if myke tyson fought against a toddler I hope this help you to understand
@@jimmyboe8246 It certainly does. Kryptonian power and Saiyan bloodlust combined is basically a Viltrumite. Weaker than both, but still dangerous in their own verses.
You forget an important fact in what you says. This is not saiyan bloodlust but saiyans fightlust and this is not because they are saiyan that they are strong like kryptonian but because because they survive and continue to fight, it's the combat experience, that's what makes the difference with the heroes of Dragon Ball and all the others and when you add that with their constant training threw martial art you can't compare with a random hero who only rushes against martial artists who have worked on their techniques for years@@TheImperialSoviet
That speed for omni man is over a hundred times the speed of light. He wouldn't even have to physically ram anyone, he could hold a rock while flying, release it, and they'd be obliterated before they even had the chance to see him coming.
@@jt37816 Speed of light is a bit over 1 billion km/h, the video states Omni Man can fly at 150 billion km/h. Presumably this was calculated by dividing some distance he flew by the time he flew it in.
omni man has feats putting him at millions of times faster than light in the comics like traveling to another galaxy in a week or Mark traveling to another star system in under a minute
Omniman is absurdly faster than everything short of the Buu saga. The problem is that he's way below in terms of durability and physical power, and Viltrumites can punch above their endurance limit, meaning, chances are that Omniman would squish his arms by punching Vegeta, and the moment he's caught with a single hit, he's done for. We also know that while his speed of flight in a straight line is absolutely insane, he doesn't necessarily have the ability to fight at those speeds, as seen from the fact that he can't just instantly nope every threat he faces by speedblitzing it. Though of course part of that is comic book writers having no sense of the scale of space, a common problem in comic book scaling because you get absurd shit like a character that can't react in time to stop a bullet lapping the entire universe in seconds.
Omni-man is not getting past Raditz who is bare minimum moon level, Omni-man’s feat of destroying viltrum is not valid either with the core needing to be unstable otherwise he’d die on impact along with the help. It just doesn’t seem possible for Omni-man to get past Raditz who was casually stopping moon busting attacks while calling it fun💀
He ends at Raditz. The guy is Moon/Multi Continental at max. Raditz is far above Piccolo who at a 408 power level was a casual moon buster, being able to do it with one hand and a casual ki blast. You could debate that Raditz maybe scratches Small Planet Level considering what we know.
How did you get 330 million kilometers per hour for Goku in the saiyan saga? It took him multiple days to traverse the entire path and its only one million miles long. If it took him two days that would be 20833 and a third kilometers an hour. But it took him 177 days the first time and he wasnt even sticking to the path. So he was only traveling at 235.4 kilometers an hour before King Kais training. Thats around 146 miles per hour. Not even super sonic.
The path of the serpent is much more than a million kilometers,The million mile thing was a legend which is said to be an understatement,You also don't know that travel speed and combat speed are different things?
@yeikelamores6085 Dude. I said nothing about travel speed vs. combat speed. Also, no, it's a million kilometers. That is not an understatement, that's just approximately how long it is from head to tail.
@yeikelamores6085 In its introduction it says "The legend says its about one million kilometers" and the length was never disputed. Multiple people have gone the length of snake way after Goku and the length still hasn't been disputed. That would mean the legend is true, wouldn't it? Making it just a fact that Snakeway is about a million kilometers long from head to tail.
@@darkenergy9760 1-The 1 million kilometer statement was said by someone who has never walked the Snake Path and It is based on rumors and legends that he heard before, nothing definitive 2-The only known people who have traveled or know the entire snake path are Goku, the Z warriors, Emma Sama and Kaio Sama,None of them have confirmed that the path is only 1 million kilometers.
Omni man got his ass beat taking down the discount justice league. He would be turned into dust and scattered into the wind at any point in the dbz universe. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt the furthest he's making it is namek.
Kind of like comparing Apples and Oranges. Having said that I could see Omni man going up against SSJ 1 Goku. This is super weird because of all the plot issues. A freaking gun took down a surprised Goku when he fought Freiza in blue form. A normal gun.... BUT then again a lower level character blew up a moon with his turtle attack. So again this is hard to define. Dragon Ball Z has a lot more cartoon stuff as well. Things like the wives hitting their husbands when they are mad and them getting "hurt", but on the high end they are crazy powerful. This is why I am putting Omni Man around SSJ 1. That is when I see Goku going to an entire new level, and Omni man is suppose to be on par with Superman, per the writer, so that sounds about right.
You are highballing omniman way way too much you are putting someone that cant even destroy a single planet by himself with someone who can destroy half a solar system in a single attack
1: only thrag and invincible who were the strongest of their race were able to be on the sun (just wanted to get it off my chest) 2: I just remembered that dragon ball has a tendency for characters to scream a lot which I never even considered if they were fighting viltrimites. Them charging up would end the fight lmao
I fully agree with this. I also believe he would beat Raditz and be equal to Nappa (maybe even at max strength), but Vegeta even when surpressed is too much to handle. Some people may make the argument that Piccolo and Roshi destroyed a moon before but that logic is wildly inconsistent because that exact Roshi at best could only destroy the Ox King's mountain castle before. If that Kamehameha hit planet Earth it wouldn't even flinch, maybe have a small crater of even half a mile. All in all I think we can say Viltrumites are overall stronger than Saiyans because they range around 1-3k usually
Two people that could beat Nolan and possibly kill him also, if chance favours them are super buu and gotenks ssj 3. One viltrumites weakness is high frequency sound, how did both super buu and gotenks escape the hyperbolic time chamber
theres 1 problem with the 10k statement and that its actually very debunkable fia the feats from weaker characters that have a powerlevel of less then 10k like master roshi vaporized a moon at 139 and then piccolo doing the same with relative ease
Omni-Man had to get help to break a planet. King Vegeta has about 1/2 the power of Prince Vegeta and destroys 3 planets at once. At VERY most Omni-Man MIGHT be in the ballpark of Nappa but Vegeta is sneezing that pest away with contemptuous ease. Kakarot going across Snake Way is entirely irrelevant. As Batman said, "Who is faster, Usian Bolt or Bruce Lee?" when correcting Superman on this very point. Even as a kid Kakarot demonstrated he was much faster than light in combat, so fast in fact God himself couldn't keep up with him (Back when Kami was literally "God" before all the Kais were introduced). You MIGHT be able to spin some things to get Omni-Man near the ballpack of Raditz, but considering Red Rush had him looking stupid and he can't even remotely compare to even Kid Krillin this isn't a contest. The Tsar Bomb is worth roughly 57 megatons, so 7,116 would be 405,612 MT. To shatter the Moon like Master Roshi you'd need around 30,000,000,000,000 megatons while the Earth would take 110,000,000,000,000,000 megatons. This isn't even close to being enough to bother Prince Vegeta.
People still get travel speed mixed up with combat speed. Plus, we don't know if Omniman uses something besides straight up speed. Face it of he was traveling at those speeds he'd destroy every thing he flew near, and he doesn't.
What do you guys think? Comment below what other "what if" scenario should I cover?
Edit: I'm still surprised this video is still going on! I appreciate your comments and your view on this topic! This is an older video of course, feel free to check out my other stuff if you like 👍
how far would one punch man go? including dbs
if he ever passes Z
@@lamaking5956Depends on how you scale the Buu saga. High Ball for top tiers are universal level(Buuhan about to collapse the universe, Kid Buu about to destroy Grand and Supreme Kai’s planet which could possibly be infinite in size, and Vegito who was the strongest character at the time) with the low ball being low multi-solar system level. More recent feats put Saitama at either multi-solar system to multi-galactic. So enough to dominate conservative estimates but not take on the higher interpretations of Z. DBS is straight up out of the question. Universal+ was the baseline when Goku nearly wiped out a cosmic construct with multiple universal sized dimensions(possibly infinitely sized) just by punching really, really hard.
@@123GOHANZ yeah good point, thanks for the answer!
Have you ever done how far Superman would go? Specifically Post-Crisis Superman.
Omniman has no chance in DBZ universe. Viltrumites have weak ears, and all DBZ characters do is stand around screaming for whole episodes at a time.
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They don't have weak ears. They have a weakness against a very specific frequency that messes with their equilibrium
No way Omniman is getting past Nappa. This is the same guy that reduced an entire city to a pile of dirt simply by raising his two fingers after just waking up from a year long nap. The explosion was even visible from space.
Nappa quite literally will tear Nolan apart just as easily as we did to Tenshinhan.
Omniman is definitely getting past Nappa, a meat head too dumb for his own good. He still cannot level an entire city by flying and since it is a weak human city it doesn't help him. Viltrumites get their guts ripped out of their bodies and live, saiyans do that they die. It's a wrap plus Viltrumites can survive in space that Saiyans cannot.
Omniman exterminated the Flaxan planet in mere minutes. They were a race of aliens with technology far beyond that of earth and a planet that was just as big if not bigger. Omniman didn’t even actively destroy their planet, he simply flew around their planet fast enough to ignite their atmosphere and create a line of nukes everywhere he flew. He’s killing Nappa bruh
@@SomeRandom-ssjit wasn’t minutes, it took many weeks, months or even years at most, we don’t know. Look at his beard, time in the flaxxan dimension flows differently
@@SomeRandom-ssjlmao nappa would go to the flaxxan planet, raise two fingers, then GG
@@TheUnseenPathnappa is moon level, not city level.
"Viltimites have very sensitive ears"
Goku going ssj3 is enough then lol
That will do the trick lmao
LOL
So basically, Goku just powering up will be enough to take down the viltramite empire.
@@michaelmurray8134yessir. and we saw that gotenks and kid buu could open portals with their screams if trapped somewhere. so it would be more than enough to burst omnimans ear drums and kill him
Isn't it a particular set shockwave that disturbs their equilibrium though? It's not just all loud noises lol.
Omni-Man getting his aas kicked by Master Roshi would be the funniest shit ever
Think, Nolan. THINK!!! What will you have after fighting the earthlings!? What's another 15 years? You can find another planet!
Saiyan Saga at best. Raditz he could probably handle. Nappa would be difficult. Vegeta would kill him.
I don't think he makes it past saiyan saga raditz. Actually king vegeta or bardock would mop omni man or even the strongest viltrumite like Thragg. King vegeta was shown destroying 3 giant planets with a wave of his hands.. DBZ is just different bro. It's not fair
@TRIPTHEARTIST Yes I'm aware of all that. No reason to say that Raditz stacks up to those people. He was a low class warrior. Bardock was the exception not the rule.
He would have a slim chance at the 23 tenkiechi budokai
@@THENemesisXX99piccolo effortlessly destroyed the moon in an instant while being supressed . The same piccolo had to put everything in his blast to kill raditz. Raditz is easily on omni mans level plus he has ki attacks. Not to mention great ape
he is not getting past anybody in the db verse@@soviete2142
Something to note about the invincible universe is that is that if you fly into someone at vary high speeds, if thier durable enough, you would die on impact as if you flew into a wall at mach 100 in real life. Sooo. . . if Omni man flew into vegeta at top speed, there is a good chance that you would turn imself into red paint.
Yeah that's why I say that Omni man would probably not do that since it's basically a suicide
Vegeta isn’t dense he’s just reinforcing his body with ki. Machines/robots frames are actually hard for Ki users to damage. The strongest of which is the living machine magma thing for the tournament of power arc but other examples are the RR army armored Mechs from the Original Dragon Ball and Cooler’s droids (I left out the androids because they all use ki). Omni Man’s body is far more resilient to damage than anything made on earth so he scales fairly high in resiliency. Ki blast make it easy to take out planets, no need to tank the planets core which is insanely hot and dense, doing it with your bare hands is an insane feat (even if it was a shared one). Goku was burn by lava in the Namek arc, Cooler was killed by the sun in seconds, and Vegeta died as a result of earth getting destroyed by Frieza, since he’s survived in low oxygen environments before it had to be the blast that killed him. Omni man will die to a planet buster as well but survived nuke lvl damage and only got a nose bleed so basic ki blasts aren’t an issue and he’s not the type to let someone as powerful as Vegeta power up or charge up his attacks. He doesn’t play by the anime rules. Him killing his flash means he can defeat faster opponents as well. He could take out Vegeta until after the Frieza arc since Vegeta never gained the insane speed boost Goku got until after the Cooler Revenge Movie.
@@mangasaintbasic ki blasts with universe level AP?
@@placeholder_384 most ki blast are held back to keep from destroying the planet. Even Roshi could take out the moon but you won’t see him using that kind of blast in a fight. Weaker ki blast still have power but are used more to drain the opponents ki. When their Ki is weak or guard is down even Bulma can hurt them. Without proper ki control, Ginyu was weakened immensely in Goku’s body. Friezes during the Namek Saga was the only exception to the rule, he can survive the destruction of a planet due to his insane durability even with almost no Ki and cut into a quarter, and doesn’t need oxygen in space. Omni Man body is closer to Frieza when it come to his durability,just not to that extreme. He’s ability to resist damage in the extremes for a prolonged periods of time, even if his guards down survive crazy damage from a laser blast that was about mountain lvl and be fine (a super weak laser almost killed Goku when he wasn’t wasn’t paying attention), and he still can fight with organs/body parts missing.
@@mangasaint that’s wrong, it keeps the same AP but they limit the DC (destructive capacity)
Honestly. As soon as he enters Earth. He is going to turn around, finding Goku staring straight at him demanding for a fight.
"I heard you were strong" head ah
@@AlvinWillistonDavis"hey its me goku, can we spar for a bit to see how strong you are?" Ahh boy
Lmfao you got me thinking about what woukd happen if kid buu met omniman. Kid buu would toss him like a ragdoll, emote dance on him, then blow up the planet for giggles.
Basically 😂
He would then proceed to go to the afterlife to run the fade with Omniman one last time.
Dude if Majin buu existed in the Invincible universe he would be looked at as the scourge of the universe or something. No one would be even remotely powerful enough to do damage let alone kill him.
Maybe Atom Eve but thats assuming her transmutation works on majin buu
@@TheUltimateMachineGod that's a good point with atom eve
@@TheUltimateMachineGod well, vegito got turned into a literal ball of candy and it didn't do absolutely anything to him so maybe buu wouldn't care about it
@@TheUltimateMachineGod
Would Eves powers save her from being transformed into a chocolate bar 🤔
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Common sense: he won't last long
Ill give Omnibaby the benefit of the doubt & say MAYBE he can surpass Raditz but thats as far as he goes, plus ur comparing him moving seriously fast to Goku playfully flying the snake way & even at his max speed he hits Vegeta, who can move at light speed & assuming he wouldnt move out the way, he can tank it while breaking every bone in Omnibaby's body
Depends on how serious he's being taken. If Vegeta is toying with him, he might get some licks in, and maybe get off that last resort attack. If Vegeta is taking him serious, the fight might end before Omniman can process that it even happened.
@ApolloBobTom Depends how much shit Omniman is talking. Vegeta might one tap him quickly just to make a point.
omni man aint overtaking vegetas ego so definitely@Eterna7Forms
Would be like when Vegeta faught Cabba. When Vegeta got serious, the fight was over before Cabba knew what happened.
Goku is the only one playing with foes.
@@felixlecon356
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I say this is pretty accurate. Omni-man and the Viltramites can only match the z fighters at their earlist of sagas.
I think Nappa's power level was only 4000 against the other Z-Fighters, his full power should be around 6500 tops (Goku had to use kaioken to catch up on him and Nappa was doing "OK" after powering up against him). If he goes for the Great Ape form, then it's GGs anyway (even when he is hardcapped at 4000 -> 40000, but I think it would be out of character). I don't see Omni-Man defeating Vegeta though, he would turn into a red mist if Vegeta isn't curious about Viltrumites and their home planet (which could be next).
He can't raise his power level like that.
@@berzerkbankie1342More than increasing his power, it's more that he was holding back, Raditz did it, Vegeta could too, it seems strange that Nappa cannot
saibamen would probably destroy omni man lmao
Maybe, since they are around the same level as raditz they could honestly overwhelm him
@@MayorCrunchyraditz is enough, one saibaman is enough
711 trillion pounds of TNT? Now someone could correct if I’m wrong but I believe that’s only a “measly” 322.5 gigatons. That’s nowhere near enough to kill Vegeta who durability scales far above Piccolo’s casual vaporization of the moon which is in the exatons(quintillions of tons of TNT)
Now I personally think Omni-Man is stronger than this but outside of his speed he doesn’t have much going for him so in terms of raw power I’d say he struggles with Raditz, likely loses to Nappa, and breaks his arm trying to punch Vegeta
EXACTLY
Thank you lmao
yea im gonna be serioso with you raditz would beat him easily
I don’t know the math behind this or the video but I love the funny visual of Omni man breaking his arm punching vegeta lmao.
Vegeta be like : I'll act like I didn't see that.
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It would be cool to see a crossover fight between Omni man and Bardock
They are pretty identical to each other
@Angerisagift0 nah Bardock in Z had a power level of 10,000 so he'd tear Omni-Man apart
@Angerisagift89 10.000 PL , Bardock clears this
@@timevalentime1806If we use the lyrics of Bardock's song as proof (heck, the song played while he was fighting Frieza's soldiers),Bardock's power was far greater than 10,000 in his final fight
@yeikelamores6085 he was growing exponentially throughout the special so that's expected.
@@timevalentime1806 Yes, we faithfully follow what the song says, Bardock reached 140,000 power, I also love it because the song directly ends with the 530,000 Frieza's power, so to a certain extent I can take her seriously
Short question, If Omni-man actually learned how to use Ki then how strong do you think he’d be?
I honestly don't know exactly, but he will definitely be stronger
He’s definitely be formidable I’ll tell you that
Depends, Nolan would, in theory, have much longer to train, he could surpass a lot of Z in a few solid decades. I'd be more scared of Allen learning Ki Control myself, since his power is essentially Zenkais as is.
He'd be unstoppable. Remember that most of the characters power in the show comes from KI. Without it they are practically nothing, maybe slightly superhuman. Omni Man is a moon buster even without KI so if he were to learn KI he would grow insanely fast.
tf do you mean unstoppable? he'd die to pan either way 💀@@genericwhitemale9566
Imagine if he became a good guy, trained like Goku and vegeta, and become a quite powerful opponent in dbs? That would be a turnaround
You forgot to mention great Ape Vegeta. If he needs to, he can summon a "moon-like" ball of KI, and all his stats increase tenfold. Omni-Man's last resort wouldn't do shit.
He can fight Videl's dad. They kinda look alike.
Vegeta Negs, Sayan arc.
The thing about the comparison, like many other comparisons, is that Dragon Ball and Invincible are two very different series that work under very different rulesets regarding strength feats, and are subject to artistic intent rather than an intentional consistency regarding power scaling even in their own series. Basically, a planet level feat in one series doesn't necessarily equate to a planet level feat in another series, and not all feats are indicative of the actual power a character is capable of as many of these are outliers made for "rule of cool" moments rather than meant to be taken seriously. This can make it really hard to do accurate comparisons for characters between different franchises.
My personal speculation however is that Nolan could in fact beat Nappa and Vegeta, but would get stomped on Namek. My reasoning is that characters in DBZ buff their durability through the usage of ki control, and also use the same ki control to buff their physical attacks. They're not using the actual strength and durability of their bodies, and so when caught off guard can be injured or killed as easily as any ordinary human, such as when Goku got shot by a laser pistol in the RoF Saga in early Super. Considering the speeds Nolan is capable of moving at (he can reach whole other galaxies in under a week, so definitely MFTL) it should be entirely possible for him to simply speed blitz Nappa and Vegeta before they have a chance to defend themselves.
However, he's going to encounter problems on Namek, especially in regards to Freeza. Freeza is a mutant and natural prodigy who became the strongest (or potentially second strongest, after his father) mortal being in the universe without ever so much as a single day of training in his life up to that point in time. He's a monstrous and terrifying presence who many have tried to kill and none have even come remotely close, so it's safe to say that regardless of outward appearances his guard is never truly down. Simply attempting to speed blitz him isn't going to work for a quick, cheap kill and he's physically powerful to such a sheer degree that Nolan just frankly does not stand a chance regardless of how feats are scaled. Freeza's power level is so many times higher than Vegeta's was in the Saiyan Saga that it's frankly quite unhinged. Vegeta was introduced at 18,000, by far the highest power level in the series up to the point of his introduction. Freeza on the other hand at his strongest ranks in at a power level of 120,000,000. It's such a massive and absurd leap that it's hard to even comprehend it.
I’m not so confident about him speedblitzing vegeta, as its said especially in DBS that vegeta almost ALWAYS has his guard up. It would require you to have a fully off guard vegeta at the start of the fight, which is just kinda a handicap at that point. Even at half his power he’d be able to take a few hits, as nolan would at best be 1/3 planet level, MAYBE half, while some statements put full planet level at 10000. Which would mean that even buffing omni man up to full planet level and vegeta at half his power, he’s still only marginally stronger than vegeta with a 10k to 9k measure. Vegeta has also shown to be able to tank attacks for an extended period of time that surpass him greatly, such as him tanking the x4 kaioken kamehameha (almost twice his power at 32,000) and coming out of it mostly alright. Nolan’s likely not getting past vegeta
@@dreemurrprince Roshi could blow up the moon when he only had a power level of about 100 back in the original DB. If we assume the moon is about one tenth the size of the earth and apply the logic that things don't scale up evenly and that you need exponentially more energy to blow up larger things (the square cube law), it makes sense that it could require 100 times the power level to blow up the earth compared to the moon, which would put the minimum at somewhere around 10,000.
Comparatively speaking, Raditz is at a level of about give or take ~1000 to 2000 when he arrives on Earth. Nappa is at around ~4000, and Vegeta is at about ~18,000. This means that out of the three, Vegeta's the only one with enough power to utterly destroy the Earth if the previous calculation is correct, though the others could probably still do some serious damage.
As we know Nolan is not planetary, attributing him a DBZ power level (which technically isn't correct since he wouldn't have ki) would probably place him somewhere in the same ballpark as Raditz and Nappa as opposed to Vegeta, so he's definitely going to be disadvantaged.
However, we do learn throughout the series that much of what the Saiyans believed about power levels in the early parts of Z in which the concept was introduced was actually propaganda perpetuated by Freeza and his father to help prevent them from having to deal with uprisings against them. The lies are generally founded on basic truths, but are meant to make warriors believe that it's completely futile to put up any resistance. For instance, one such lie is that you are born with your power level and it never changes, something that gets debunked many times over through the course of the series. Another of these lies is that whoever has a higher power level always wins a fight, one that many fans still believe to this day despite it being debunked in the very first fight in DBZ in which Goku and Piccolo are able to team up to defeat the stronger Raditz, something that wouldn't have even been necessary if Goku had been more proactive about using Raditz's tail as his weak spot.
This ties into my reasoning regarding Nolan potentially being able to speed blitz Vegeta; Yes Vegeta has a high power level and yes he tends to always have his guard up, but destructive power doesn't equate to defensive durability as the way ki control works requires fighters to actively raise their ki shields to defend against attacks. Vegeta would need to know there was an attack coming to defend against it, and since Nolan's speed isn't connected to power level like it would be for DBZ fighters he's able to move at speeds much, much faster proportional to his strength compared to them. It should be more than possible for him to attack an on guard Vegeta with enough force to kill him before he has a chance to defend against the attack, as Nolan would be moving at speeds too fast for Vegeta's enhanced senses to register in time, let alone move into a defensive posture before impact. He'd be catching Vegeta "off guard" in the sense that he wouldn't specifically be on guard against his attack.
Granted, this would require a sneak attack. Because of Vegeta's enormous power, he should be more than capable of keeping his defenses up sufficiently to block anything Nolan could do if he is able to predict it ahead of time. Effectively, if Vegeta's knows about Nolan as a potential threat, it's over. Trying to take the chance to make a dramatic entrance instead of going straight for the kill shot would give Vegeta a massive advantage, dooming Nolan. It really boils down to how likely it is for Nolan to attempt a speed blitz right off the bat rather than trying to look intimidating, giving his presence away.
Freeza, like I mentioned before, is a whole different beast however. The leap in power from Saiyan Saga Vegeta to Namek Saga Freeza is truly absurd. His power level is so high that even at the speeds Nolan could move Freeza should be able to defend against it, and even if he couldn't he'd probably just tank the attack regardless since his ki shield would be so absurdly strong that such an attack wouldn't even require a defensive posture to defend against. It would be like when Hercule was punching Cell and doing no damage. There's really nothing Nolan could do against such a terrifying opponent.
@@Crow_Rising i dont have time to read all this yet as its late - but ill read it tomorrow or the next day when im not busy
@@Crow_Rising Not really sure I buy that, though, Vegeta is hardly ever off guard even in a safe situation, especially said by whis. Unless he’s being entirely sneak attacked without any forewarning (even then I doubt vegeta would go completely down below half his power at any given moment before the android saga when he BEGAN to chill out) he’s still STUPIDLY durable. Even though Vegeta had a smaller advantage against Cui (24k to 18k) than the X4 had on him (32k to 18k) he was still pretty okay even after being stuck in the attack for an extended period of time, while Cui was completely vaporized. Unless Nolan gives him the red rush treatment I just don’t see any reasonable way for him to do any significant amount of damage.
@@dreemurrprince Cui's problem was that Vegeta had ample time to raise his ki barrier. They had a conversation before their fight even started, and so there was no hope for Cui to bypass Vegeta's defenses from the start. Even if he had managed to get a sneak attack in though, because of how speed works for Dragon Ball fighters he wouldn't have been able to get as much of a boost from it as Nolan could.
Nolan's speed isn't tied to anything like ki, so he's just simply capable of extremely fast movements that completely dwarf anything Vegeta would be capable of at this time. He can reach distant galaxies in mere weeks if not days, and does demonstrate the ability to use this speed in combat in some circumstances, using it to ignite the atmosphere and destroy whole cities just by blitzing through them. As such, he's entirely capable of speeds that would allow him to attack Vegeta with lethal force before he could raise his ki barriers to heighten his durability, as even his heightened senses from his power level wouldn't be able to perceive it coming. He'd be dead before he even knew Nolan was there.
While just having a higher power level in general does somewhat boost durability for fighters in Dragon Ball, it's not as effective when it's not intentionally manipulated in such a way as to specifically block an incoming attack. Furthermore, these defenses are mostly effective at countering other ki users, either their ki blasts or their ki enhanced melee attacks. Simple explosive devices such as the bombs planted within Android 16 or more recently Cell Max are stated to be capable of killing the Z Fighters despite being well under planetary in damage potential. Nolan would be plowing into Vegeta at massively faster than light speeds beyond his comprehension without any assistance from ki, so without being able to specifically raise his defenses against it in time Vegeta shouldn't be able to survive simply due to the sheer magnitude of kinetic energy slamming into him.
In all honesty I'd have more confidence on this working on Freeza too if not for just how ridiculously powerful and durable he is due to being a mutant with a power level reaching well into the millions. Even if he does somehow take massive damage such as being chopped in half or into tiny bits, the individual pieces of him are still capable of staying alive and he can recover from being pieced back together or receiving bionic replacements. The odds of Nolan being able to inflict that much damage on Freeza are miniscule however considering the sheer magnitude of his power level and therefore his enhanced senses. Even at Nolan's speeds, it's not so unthinkable that Freeza could successfully see such a surprise attack coming and defend against it, or even just dodge it entirely, or counter it with a lethal attack of his own such as a death beam or a simple punch.
I liked to point out that 7,116 Tsar wouldn't be enough to kill Vegeta if Piccolo who vaporized the Moon and Raditz no cell that ki blast is basic 5 billion Tsars at worse.
Well, it's simple really. 700 trillion pounds of tnt is about 300 billion tons of tnt, you need about 60 trillion tons of tnt to blow up the Moon. So it's not even close to the power Piccolo showed when he turned the Moon to dust ( that would take WAY more energy btw ). So Onmi-man can't even beat Goku or Piccolo from the start of Z. Well, unless he fly them into space i guess. Omni-man can even kill demon king Piccolo. Roshi could blow up the Moon but was powerless vs demon king Piccolo.
Omni gets slapped omni-directional
Yea I think you nailed it. IF IF he gets passed Vegeta he's DOA on Namek
2:39 why 330.000.000 km/h or 92km/s? You only used 3h to travel don't you ?
He is slower than that he took bare minimum 24h (kaio says more than a day but less than 2)+ 3h of vegetta waiting + the time of the battle ~ 1h = 10km/s or 36.000km/h
Beerus: Now then. Feels like I got a little carried away. (Grab) Hakai.
Not even the Piccolo Jr saga lmao.
Also you said Planet Vegeta is Mars size which isn't true as it's larger than Earth
I'm fairly sure planet Vegeta is commonly considered to be 10x the size of Earth but in order to have 10x the gravity of Earth, it would have to be close to 5000x Earth's size. There's a scene of King Vegeta, don't remember if it's filler or not, where he destroys several planets of indeterminate size simultaneously by simply lifting his arm and Vegeta is 80% stronger than him by the time we first see him fight. Planet Vlltrum is about 2x the size of Earth.
If Roshi can destroy the moon at the low hundreds of power levels, Radditz is 15x that so he should, in theory, be able to destroy planets larger than Earth since power levels in the early stages seemed to be linear and Earth is only 4x the size of the moon. Radditz also dodged a light-speed attack while in Earth's atmosphere and it was unaffected, so while Nolan is definitely capable of moving MUCH faster than light, he tends not to when in a planet's atmosphere since it would leave nuclear explosions in his wake. Radditz also tanked blasts from Piccolo, who by this point was MUCH stronger than Roshi and probably planetary in his own right.
So, Radditz is capable of dodging light-speed attacks while in an atmosphere (for some reason), capable of destroying a planet at LEAST the size of Earth, and durable enough to be unaffected by attacks coming from people that are also capable of destroying Earth. Omni-Man caps out somewhere before Radditz and I doubt Thragg or end-of-series Mark do much better. They certainly don't make it to Vegeta.
Size is just a measure of volume, you’d need to consider the celestial bodies mass to really figure how hard it would be to destroy it, even though it’s only 4X the size, it’s would still be over 1000X as difficult to destroy the earth compared to the moon
Given how King Kai's planet functions it seems that planet's don't have to follow standard density rules in the dbz-verse.
@@monkeymonman100 The Earth is 81x the mass of the moon. It wouldn't be 1000x harder even by your own logic. In terms of attack potency, being 4-10x moon level would still make you small planet level and that's pretty much exactly what we see in the show.
@@MonochromaticPrism If you apply DB physics to Omni-Man, it makes him less impressive by comparison. He hasn't shown FTL combat speed feats and he needed help to destroy (not vaporize) a planet that's twice the size of Earth. If you apply real world physics to DB characters, it makes them that much more busted. Again, Planet Vegeta would have to be 5000x the size of Earth to have 10x the gravity. So they may not be able to move FTL in an atmosphere like they commonly do, but neither can Omni-Man and they dwarf him in power even harder.
Best thing to do is to be reasonably charitable to both sides and assume that Omni-Man can keep pace with whoever he's fighting from DB and then determine who has better attacks, who's stronger, who's more experienced, etc. If you do that, he still doesn't get past Radditz.
@@DarthVaizard the difficulty to destroy planets isn’t linear, being 81X the mass and only 4 times the volume is way different than being 81 times the mass and volume
Omni man vs Raditz would be a really close fight i think
Yeah honestly that would be a fun fight to watch
One correction. Viltrumites do not have weak ears. They have a weakness against a very specific frequency which messes with their equilibrium. Thats why it took cecil so long to find out what it was since there is a near infinite amount of frequencies that exist
I would say he would survive as far as the Frieza Saga and that'll be about it but is he going to the same training that the others do cuz that could make a huge difference
711 trillion pounds of tnt is only 1.35 quintillion kilojoules of force. That is a tiny, tiny, tiny, TINY fraction of the force required to outright detonate a planet. Vegeta doesn't even need to use his max 18k power level to destroy a planet, and even if he did need to, he survives being hit by a Kaioken x4 Kamehameha. The Kamehameha is a strong blast on its own, and it overpowers Vegeta's full power Galick Gun; he gets off of the Kamehameha after being hit directly by it without much in the way of obvious injury. But the blast was still attempting to carry him out to space, it didn't outright detonate and do full damage, so it's reasonable to assume he survived at least an *_equal_* attack with no consequential injury. In DBZ, a character's offensive capability is by and large proportional to their defensive capability.
I feel like if that's as hard as Omni-Man hits, using raw force, he would practically bounce off of Vegeta.
im willing to bet omni man gets clapped by ONE saibamen ! I don't think y'all understand the difference between a power level of 130 which can destroy the MOON, to a power level of 1,200 / and power levels are not linear since Goku with a power level of 10 at the start of DB (he struggled to lift bulmas small car ) is not just 13 times weaker than Roshi who vaporized the MOON. omni man is large country level at best , he still needed 2 others of similar strength to destroy a planet.
I dint think you understand the difference from what a ki blast can do and what you can do off raw sheer strength, omni man feats are from pure strength and speed while most big feats in dragonball are done by ki blast but that doesn't mean they can tank the same thing they can destroy such as destroying a planet but they wouldn't survive a planet explosion if caught in it
I love how it is not a question of „if“ he can survive, but how far he can survive lol
Gokus kamaheha can destroy a planet and has to be aimed at space every single fight, Omni man took a week to destroy one planet that was still in tact afterwards...... Why are people even debating this?
Well there is something that someone already pointed out, Durability. let's say Omni man did ran into Vegita at full speed, whos to say that it won't damage Omni man more than Vegita? People tend to forget that in dragon ball, ki not raw physical strength is what really does all the damage as well as protect from attacks that could destroy planets. Remember, buu arc super saiyan goku could only lift 400 tons, but he still had the power to destroy the planet something that would require 600 zettatons of power to dou
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Ki is not an enhancer to physical strength, you don't see people in dragon ball punching planets and exploding them with their raw power. Only when there is ki involved
@@Nalasysits more like lifting strength isn't equal to striking strength
Goku: *Screams to turn ssj*
Omni-Man: *DIES*
This was an insane lowball for both sides. Everyone in this video is easily lightspeed like how omniman traveld to another galaxy in 2 weeks and kid goku dodging an attack that used light and piccolo destroying the moon at the speed of light. Alongside the fact thar piccolo destroyed the moon to the extend of isr debris falling to the earth at near lightspeed can be calculated to small planetary and king vegeta who was weaker than vegeta was as a child was able to destroy multiple planets with a wave of his hand
Omni man doesn’t fight at that speed tho
Kid Goku frequently lost fights to other humans, such as Nam or Tao Pai Pai. Sure, he does become stronger and faster over the course of the series, but to say that he has faster than light reflexes or can even move faster than life yet still have difficulties fighting other humans is just ridiculous.
I prefer interpreting things like dodging light attacks in a different way: like he sees the guy pointing the gun and tightening his fingers on the trigger, so he is quick enough to dodge the direct line of the gun, but he's never faster than light. He reacts to the movements of the human, not to light itself. When he's fighting he's hyper aware of his surroundings and has very good reflexes. That's enough to dodge light attacks without being faster than light.
A lot of the moon destroying and planet busting scenes are just filler that the show created, but they're nowhere to be found in the manga. If you watch DBZ Kai, which is a more accurate portrayal of the manga, you won't see any planet busting until late in the Buu saga.
@@El3ctr0Lun4 the humans in dragonball aren't the same as in real life like the average tournament fighert would be a 50 times black belt in multiple martial arts but in real life the best fighters in history only reach around 3 time black belt status in only 1 martial arts. Thats not even considering power. If the strongest humans are dozens of times below the average fighter it means average fighters in dbz can punch at super sonic speeds and with tonnes of force. Then fighter like Tao and Nam are even higher than those standards and are far below goku and king piccolo. Along with feats like dodging lightspeed Lazer and the solar flare it wouldnt be to crazy that the high tier humans and goku would be light speed in their fights
W take.
"Transform until you win' - Goku
Nappa is never described as not a planet buster.
Vegeta when he arrives on earth could solo almost any fictional universe that exists.
omni man cant even make it past the canon timeline where it starts with bardocks story😭
My theory is Master roshi can blow up a moon because of his pure mastery and control of ki. It has been shown that even with similar power levels, ki beams can varie in power. This is proven when goku used his kamehameha against raditz and his power level over doubled. Another example his vegeta upgrading his final flash to his final shine attack which is stated to be a better version of final flash which directly contradicts that ki beams are equal in strength. Master roshi's moon buster power might be because it didn't take him 50 years to learn it, he said that it took him 50 years to perfect so he might have learned it much earlier and dedicated his time to mastering it which creates his pure and perfected kamehameha which toriyama states himself is the purest and most powerful version of the kamehameha (ignoring power levels and off-shoots). His power could be shooting up 5 6 or hell even 8 fold when he uses it. Which is similar to the destructive power of piccolos beam destroying the moon even though piccolo is far stronger than master roshi at this point. A power level of 600-900 could be enough to destroy the moon for all we know.
if this was the case, Roshi with a pl of 139 multiplied for 3 is 417 with a power level of 417 he could have beaten king piccolo very easily
Going back to the Inconsistencies of dragon ball power levels. King Vegeta having a power level of below 10,000 but casually blowing up 3 planets at once. 😅
Inconsistency? There is no inconsistency, it is actually quite consistent when you look at it.
Biggest thing against Omniman, he doesn't have ki, which was what you were comparing Roshi to him. There are very few strength feats that don't include Ki, but SSJ3 Goku does punch a hole through King Kai's planet in battle of Gods (which is smaller than our moon). He doesn't scale that high, but Omniman may do more than what people expect.
2:00 How you gonna say it's "Mars" sized, it's literally 10x gravity, put all the inner planets together and you still don't have enough for that.
Too much trauma on their brain....when the panel says heart
I think a better question is, who rocks the ‘stache better Omni-man or Nappa?
thing is, in db they have ki blasts, but nolan is stupidily stronger, as he deflected a meteor the size of texas and destroyed a planet alongside other 2 viltrumites with sheer brute force. If nolan is faster, he can easily one punch kill them, as he is with no doubt many many many times physically stronger than every character in the saiyan saga, i would even go as far as saying namek saga but not against ssj goku nor frieza final form
There is a difference between power and strength. Striking strength and lifting strength.
Ki amplifies everything in dragonball. This includes striking strength,lifting strength, durability,speed, and destructive power.
Being physically stronger doesn't mean anything if you aren't more powerful than the ki that protects them.
It's just different powersets. And quite frankly dbz's is better and far more versatile. Also far more powerful.
I think he'd easily get overwhelmed by frieza's goons
big question, is does omni man know the strength level of his foe at the start of this fight (big diff between fighting a cub scout and fighting homelander). omni man has centuries of military exp, he isnt going to just lie down and die with the first punch
Bro i remember seeing comment that said "not even ui goku can defeat onmi man" bro the comments were brutal to say the least
I have thought this through myself. If we compare Nappa's 2 finger city destroyer with the space beam sattelite, it would at least give Omni-man a nose bleed. If Nappa could hit him with a ki-charged fist, that might do some damage but Omni-man is too fast for that, plus Nappa is pretty crazy. Though when calm, he could put up a good fight. However, Nappa, while being huge, can dodge very quickly. We saw him fight 1 v 6 when Krillin and Piccolo did the dividing technique (while Omni-man almost died beating the Guardians of the Globe). Then there is the question of how durable the Saiyan armor is. We know Vegeta can punch through the ones worn by the Frieza Force such as Zarbon and Qui. But that was after some zenkais. While Goku Kaioken x3 did not break it with a full force punch. Omni-man can crack a mountain, we have seen that.
Ok, now onto Vegeta. Some things to note here. Omni-man is a veteran soldier, who trained against people of similar level. Whereas, Vegeta never really had any rivals beside Qui and most of his fights were pretty easy. Though it was suggested, they might need Raditz and Kakarot for some planet. Vegeta can fight, clearly but he is more warrior than soldier or martial artist. Vegeta's ki-laced punches would outright kill Omniman but he could take some regulare hits. His speed is again a huge factor here. He might out speed Vegeta. But can he dodge ki-blasts? If not, he is dead meat. And then there is the Oozaru form, which he could only fight if say he got into it's mouth and attacked from the inside (mouth beam is a problem tho). I doubt he could cut the tail by hand, he could maybe blind him flying at his eyes.
So maybe, he could out speed Vegeta and do some damage to him. I could see that happening. However, the Ginyu Force would be too much for him. Burter and Jeice would be about as fast as he is, Recoome is too damn sturdy (but leaves himself open), Guldo = xP (he can't slow him down enough) GInyu could kill him though. He might consider taking the body, since it lives so long and has advantages. But that's about it. Frieza would eat him in his First Form easy.
The main problem with what you're saying is that you're under the assumption that travel speed is the same as reaction speed, toddler Goku was dodging lightning and even raditz is obviously hundreds of times faster and more powerful than him at that age, Omni man is slow when it comes to fight speed compared to the Saiyan saga
@@ItsAme7143 I guess we could say Omni-man can't utilize is crazy speed in battle. You remember how fast he is going when destroying that alien planet. You would think, he could use a fraction of that. Even superman can at least dodge quick in combat. Though he is also slowed down probably because he would bee too good.
I think the video only being 3:48 says a lot😂
Omni man vs Yamcha would be the most interesting fight. Or Battle Beast vs Krillin
Maybe Raditz. Then done.
Few things that you might reconsider, Nappa has indeed a power level of 4000 but when Vegeta tells him to calm down and take on Goku for real, his power surges to about 7500. He then goes toe to toe with Goku who is just over 8000 (9000 is a dub error). Goku then states this fight could drag on forever. Which is why he used the Kaioken as a quick multiplier to finish of Nappa quickly and catch him of guard. Besides that if Nappa has a moon available (I don’t know if he can create an artificial one like Vegeta) his power will increase tenfold. And he probably too can control his oozaru transformation. While Nappa’s battle IQ might not be that high I seriously doubt Omni man could stop a Nappa with a potential powerlevel of 80.000 max. Recoome is only a 40.000 and you saw how he slapped around an even stronger Vegeta. Even if he manages to beat Nappa, Vegeta stops him easily with a max power level of 180.000 up his sleeve. Remember that’s more than captain Ginyu who only has 120.000.
Omni-Man is not getting past Radditz. Piccolo casually destroying the moon trumps anything Omni-Man has ever done, and Radditz clowned on him and Goku at the same time.
Planet vegeta is closer to Jupiter’s size 😭
quick corrections:
Roshi in his base has a power level of 139, yes. but his buff form is stronger an we don't know how much stronger he is. and with a PL of 139 he probably could not destroy the moon. whereas Piccolo destroyed the moon with a PL of 322. not that it changes much, but it's just false infomation. THOUGH, both completely blow it appart beyond their gravitaional pull, which would make these feats not moon level but actually almost planetary...
Nappa _can_ desroy planets. even radditz can. hence Saibamen also can. the PL of 10.000 statement is what it is. a statement. but a statement, which is proven false by feats and scaling, so it doesn't hold much water to anything. ALSO don't forget that Earth is a small planet. it's likely that the PL of 10.000 statement also only applies for medium or big sized planets. and planets in Dragonball are ginormous compared to our universe. Jupiter. a huge planet close to being a brown dwarf has gravity of 2,5G. Planet Vegeta for example has a gravity of 10G. so it's MASSIVLEY bigger than Jupiter, what we consider very big our world
since Omniman's best feat is below planetray in DB he'd be around moon busting Piccolo lvl in strenght wise.
HOWEVER! speed. Omniman is too fast... way too fast for early DBZ... he may not be able to properly damage a saibaman. but he will just outspeed any Saiyan Saga character. or even any frieza saga character. hell, any Cell saga character even. he won't beat them by punching them, but... he can just... outlive them. how climactic. though Goku could prolly do something with his instant transmission.
omniman crashing into Vegeta woudn't do shit, either
If I recall it only takes a power level of 400 to blow up a planet. Piccolo blew up the moon with one hand and got destroyed by Nappa
No it's 10,000 to destroy a planet
@@romallohenry5700where did you get that number? 💀 you need at least 100 to destroy the moon, king vegeta had less than 10k and destroyed 3 planets by waving his hand
@@Eddie-wb4jn (not cannon) besides its stated on OFFICIAL GUIDE BOOKS your tries to correct smbd failed miserably
@@unrandommas181 Lol if you said this a while ago you would have been right but now you are wrong, every oficial dragon ball content is canon but to different timelines so yes king vegeta destroying a planet with a wave is canon to the series 😚
@@Eddie-wb4jn was it wrote by toriyama?
Omni man is definitely planetary and even if he was one of three to destroy a planet he was pulling his load which is still far more than any saiyan.
Flying through a planet is different from blowing it up with energy which anyone can do in DB past a certain point so it isn't special anymore. The former is way more impressive.
Omniman would make it past Vegeta and Nappa, the latter is too dumb and the former needed a moon to beat his opponents plus he's arrogant and doesn't have thousands of years of experience fighting enemies.
The FACT that Viltrumites can survive the sun for a little while Saiyans cannot already tells me Nolan's got this and he won't toy around with them.
You’re literally just meat riding at this point. If he was planetary, he wouldn’t have needed help.
Also Ki is literally a part of them, it enhances their physical strength.
@@maybe339can they destroy the planet by just hitting it?
@@bubbachildsupport4535 even better when clashing punches they destroy multiple planets
Kid Goku is literally moon+ level he’s done for
I mean kid goku was a gag character........
I mean, he kinda was during the Pilaf arc, but so was everyone else. I don't think he is a gag character, he has limits, flaws and weaknesses and Roshi, general Blue, grandpa Gohan, Tao Pai Pai or Piccolo Daimao exploit them fairly good.
@@Sornbur I'm pretty sure the creator said he was tho tbh.
Its hard to scale characters from different shows due to the difference on how power works and how closely each show obeys the real laws of physics. For example, in dragonball, they consistenly move faster than sound and yet never never cause a sonic boom. It seems like Invincible is a little more strict with this type of thing. Also, in dragonball, typically but not always, strength and speed go up proportionally to eachother with a character's power. Dyspo, Burter, Guldo, Hit etc are outliers in this.
The best way to do this, is a range. At worst, Omniman is Raditz level. At best Omniman is Namek saga level. We can average that to between Nappa and Vegeta, which is what you said basically. Anyways, just a longwinded way to say I agree lol
I don't see how Omniman is Namek saga level, also what exactly do you mean by Namek saga? because The power levels were everywhere there, from 1500 (planet+) to over 150000000 (galaxy level),
Omni-Man can move billions of times faster than light and can shatter the moon twice over. He'd make it a wee bit further but I have next to no knowledge on DBZ so any education would be appreciated.
He compares him to the villains from the beginning of the Dragon Ball Z saga, the weakest in terms of pure power in the "Dragon Ball Z" universe and after the "Sayans arc" of which he speaks, Vegeta sees his power multiplied by 'infinite via all the struggles he will experience. Before the Dragon Ball Z saga there are already characters from the "Dragon ball" saga who can destroy the moon and they are so weak that Raditz could kill them with one finger and it is the weakest in the sayans saga. Basically, omni-man would just stand against Raditz the weakest of the sayans and would surely beat him, against Nappa in my opinion he could beat him but at the cost of his own life and i'm not sure... Against Vegeta he couldn't do anything, that would be like if myke tyson fought against a toddler
I hope this help you to understand
@@jimmyboe8246 It certainly does. Kryptonian power and Saiyan bloodlust combined is basically a Viltrumite. Weaker than both, but still dangerous in their own verses.
You forget an important fact in what you says. This is not saiyan bloodlust but saiyans fightlust and this is not because they are saiyan that they are strong like kryptonian but because because they survive and continue to fight, it's the combat experience, that's what makes the difference with the heroes of Dragon Ball and all the others and when you add that with their constant training threw martial art you can't compare with a random hero who only rushes against martial artists who have worked on their techniques for years@@TheImperialSoviet
That speed for omni man is over a hundred times the speed of light. He wouldn't even have to physically ram anyone, he could hold a rock while flying, release it, and they'd be obliterated before they even had the chance to see him coming.
Where did it say it was 100 times the speed of light?
@@jt37816 Speed of light is a bit over 1 billion km/h, the video states Omni Man can fly at 150 billion km/h. Presumably this was calculated by dividing some distance he flew by the time he flew it in.
omni man has feats putting him at millions of times faster than light in the comics like traveling to another galaxy in a week or Mark traveling to another star system in under a minute
Omniman is absurdly faster than everything short of the Buu saga.
The problem is that he's way below in terms of durability and physical power, and Viltrumites can punch above their endurance limit, meaning, chances are that Omniman would squish his arms by punching Vegeta, and the moment he's caught with a single hit, he's done for.
We also know that while his speed of flight in a straight line is absolutely insane, he doesn't necessarily have the ability to fight at those speeds, as seen from the fact that he can't just instantly nope every threat he faces by speedblitzing it. Though of course part of that is comic book writers having no sense of the scale of space, a common problem in comic book scaling because you get absurd shit like a character that can't react in time to stop a bullet lapping the entire universe in seconds.
If viltrumites got their hands on ki we all are more screwed than we already were.
base frieza is soloing his entire race.
Omni-man is not getting past Raditz who is bare minimum moon level, Omni-man’s feat of destroying viltrum is not valid either with the core needing to be unstable otherwise he’d die on impact along with the help. It just doesn’t seem possible for Omni-man to get past Raditz who was casually stopping moon busting attacks while calling it fun💀
Why not use Emperor Invincible?
Ok, bro. Omni man is not surviving in Dragon ball lol. At best we can throw Yamcha at him.
He ends at Raditz. The guy is Moon/Multi Continental at max. Raditz is far above Piccolo who at a 408 power level was a casual moon buster, being able to do it with one hand and a casual ki blast. You could debate that Raditz maybe scratches Small Planet Level considering what we know.
yo so the 10k statement doesnt work at all since its debunked by the feats
Guy really said getting stronger is inconsistent
Damn if Omniman cant even smash Nappa that really shows how he stand no chance against Superman
3 minutes is CRAZY 😭😭
How did you get 330 million kilometers per hour for Goku in the saiyan saga? It took him multiple days to traverse the entire path and its only one million miles long. If it took him two days that would be 20833 and a third kilometers an hour. But it took him 177 days the first time and he wasnt even sticking to the path. So he was only traveling at 235.4 kilometers an hour before King Kais training. Thats around 146 miles per hour. Not even super sonic.
The path of the serpent is much more than a million kilometers,The million mile thing was a legend which is said to be an understatement,You also don't know that travel speed and combat speed are different things?
@yeikelamores6085 Dude. I said nothing about travel speed vs. combat speed. Also, no, it's a million kilometers. That is not an understatement, that's just approximately how long it is from head to tail.
@@darkenergy9760 That statement was said as a legend, it is clearly longer than that.
@yeikelamores6085 In its introduction it says "The legend says its about one million kilometers" and the length was never disputed. Multiple people have gone the length of snake way after Goku and the length still hasn't been disputed. That would mean the legend is true, wouldn't it? Making it just a fact that Snakeway is about a million kilometers long from head to tail.
@@darkenergy9760 1-The 1 million kilometer statement was said by someone who has never walked the Snake Path and It is based on rumors and legends that he heard before, nothing definitive
2-The only known people who have traveled or know the entire snake path are Goku, the Z warriors, Emma Sama and Kaio Sama,None of them have confirmed that the path is only 1 million kilometers.
Omni man got his ass beat taking down the discount justice league.
He would be turned into dust and scattered into the wind at any point in the dbz universe.
Even giving him the benefit of the doubt the furthest he's making it is namek.
I believe that, because once them saiyans get Ultra instinct its done speed aint shit to a man who can anticipate your movements
Roshi from Dragon Ball would snap him like a twig
Kind of like comparing Apples and Oranges. Having said that I could see Omni man going up against SSJ 1 Goku. This is super weird because of all the plot issues. A freaking gun took down a surprised Goku when he fought Freiza in blue form. A normal gun.... BUT then again a lower level character blew up a moon with his turtle attack. So again this is hard to define. Dragon Ball Z has a lot more cartoon stuff as well. Things like the wives hitting their husbands when they are mad and them getting "hurt", but on the high end they are crazy powerful. This is why I am putting Omni Man around SSJ 1. That is when I see Goku going to an entire new level, and Omni man is suppose to be on par with Superman, per the writer, so that sounds about right.
You are highballing omniman way way too much you are putting someone that cant even destroy a single planet by himself with someone who can destroy half a solar system in a single attack
The only problem is if Omni-Man does ram into Vegeta at that speed, it would atomize him as well.
1: only thrag and invincible who were the strongest of their race were able to be on the sun (just wanted to get it off my chest)
2: I just remembered that dragon ball has a tendency for characters to scream a lot which I never even considered if they were fighting viltrimites. Them charging up would end the fight lmao
100% agree with this analysis
goku goes super saiyan and its a wrap for omniman
So someone with Super sensitive eardrums is going up against the anime known for screaming…
I fully agree with this. I also believe he would beat Raditz and be equal to Nappa (maybe even at max strength), but Vegeta even when surpressed is too much to handle.
Some people may make the argument that Piccolo and Roshi destroyed a moon before but that logic is wildly inconsistent because that exact Roshi at best could only destroy the Ox King's mountain castle before. If that Kamehameha hit planet Earth it wouldn't even flinch, maybe have a small crater of even half a mile.
All in all I think we can say Viltrumites are overall stronger than Saiyans because they range around 1-3k usually
Two people that could beat Nolan and possibly kill him also, if chance favours them are super buu and gotenks ssj 3. One viltrumites weakness is high frequency sound, how did both super buu and gotenks escape the hyperbolic time chamber
theres 1 problem with the 10k statement and that its actually very debunkable fia the feats from weaker characters that have a powerlevel of less then 10k like master roshi vaporized a moon at 139 and then piccolo doing the same with relative ease
Omni-Man had to get help to break a planet. King Vegeta has about 1/2 the power of Prince Vegeta and destroys 3 planets at once. At VERY most Omni-Man MIGHT be in the ballpark of Nappa but Vegeta is sneezing that pest away with contemptuous ease.
Kakarot going across Snake Way is entirely irrelevant. As Batman said, "Who is faster, Usian Bolt or Bruce Lee?" when correcting Superman on this very point. Even as a kid Kakarot demonstrated he was much faster than light in combat, so fast in fact God himself couldn't keep up with him (Back when Kami was literally "God" before all the Kais were introduced). You MIGHT be able to spin some things to get Omni-Man near the ballpack of Raditz, but considering Red Rush had him looking stupid and he can't even remotely compare to even Kid Krillin this isn't a contest.
The Tsar Bomb is worth roughly 57 megatons, so 7,116 would be 405,612 MT. To shatter the Moon like Master Roshi you'd need around 30,000,000,000,000 megatons while the Earth would take 110,000,000,000,000,000 megatons. This isn't even close to being enough to bother Prince Vegeta.
People still get travel speed mixed up with combat speed. Plus, we don't know if Omniman uses something besides straight up speed. Face it of he was traveling at those speeds he'd destroy every thing he flew near, and he doesn't.
Nappa is not a planet buster?
One minute in and Vegeta already destroyed him.
i agree.
Dude no piccolo alone is large planetary because the attack he did to the moon was scaled to large planetary