So where's the line? What would be too far for you? It's all make-believe so it would be okay to have Cardi B show up for a musical number? Would it be a problem for you if Allen suddenly teamed up with the Green Lantern corps? Would it be okay for the Viltrumites to suddenly declare themselves peaceful turnip farmers?
Duplikate literally says she keeps a secret copy miles away just in case something like what happened with the lizard league happened. She didn’t actually die and the show makes that really clear
@@Mewdo45 She lives the life of a hermit I guess. Honestly for a person whose only power is duplication, keeping the OG body safe in a distant location is a brilliant decision.
@@ClockworkWyrmNo it isn't, and I would argue she never fully utilized it. She could have had the original clone on standby to coordinate a counterattack or spring a trap of some kind, but she's just off twiddling her thumbs waiting for the rest of her to die. Duplikate couldve been fighting full force against the Lizard League but instead got Shrinking Ray killed, and cost Rex his arm and almost his life as well.
To be fair the reason Kate survived was because she hid her “0” clone, presumably the original, in a safe location. This is a detail from the comics that we learn from Multi-Paul, who originally advised her to do so.
My biggest problem with this season was how it handled the viltrumite conflict. Mark is told the viltrumites are coming for earth. There is a doomsday clock ticking and yet no one seems to be overly concerned or worried. Mark returns to earth and its hardly mentioned by him or anyone else. Even when Annisa comes knocking it doesn't feel right. There is no atmosphere of concern or growing tension. There Is no full scale effort to prepare for there arrival no meetings being held to discuss strategy or what there next move should be. A doomsday clock is ticking and they are acting like it has a snooze button.
You're totally right. It takes Mark all of season 2 to realize that the cosmic war is more important than college and that he should be actively getting stronger in anticipation of it coming to Earth.
The thing is, all of that ticking clock mentality has been building up since season one already, and all of the preparations they make in the comics and show are spent on Omni Man in season 1 and they realize they can't do shit, so Season 2 is basically just hoping they don't invade earth soon because they have pretty much nothing right now, its a very dire situation and right now all of the characters are just trying to get by without thinking too much about how they are likely about to die or be ensalved soon, and Mark is still just a kid who is processing a fuck ton of information and situations he was not prepared for, while still trying to hold on to the little piece of normal in his life or otherwise he would lose his mind
@@TyranojexThe Viltrumites are also one of many threats featured in Season 2. Mark and the other characters are constantly being assailed by aliens like the Sequids, criminals like the Lizard League or the Mauler Twins, extra-dimensional beings like Onnipotus or Angstrom Levy, kaiju, Atlanteans and even a buried undead pharaoh like Ka-Hor. These characters barely get time to think long term and Cecil’s own resources are repeatedly shown to be ineffective against even a single Viltrumite. Mark giving information to the Coalition Of Planets was the most he felt he could do in that moment while dealing with everything else around him and with Angstrom’s death, even him cutting his workload in half by ditching his civilian responsibilities and fully committing to improving his abilities, if a Viltrumite were to show up and he hasn’t subjugated the planet, neither he nor the Guardians nor Cecil would be able to stop them in their current state.
Plan to do..what? The best hope they have against viltrumites right now is Invincible, which is clearly not enough. All they can do right now is wait and keep an eye out for any opportunity that comes their way to help defend against Viltrum. I think the show establishes this well enough but in the comics it is also clear that this world has a lot of stuff going on and there are almost constantly huge world threats popping up they need to deal with.
I think Mark’s desire to prove he isn’t his father is the reason behind chose to go to Thraxa. He had to show that he cared about others, more to himself than anyone else.
It sounds like you’re complaining because the show is actually following the comics timeline, it feels rushed because it literally was things were happening back to back and Mark had no time to sit down and process. He underestimated how fast everything was going to happen which adds to the tragedy factor because Mark could notcatch a break.
@@MAX-de8fe The comics were just the comics, with a comics-like approach. I don’t think we should give a slap on the wrist just because of the chosen medium and its conventions, but the pacing and character issues are certainly widespread in the comics media, with just notable exceptions by talented writer
If they had at least acknowledged that Amber was wrong for essentially gaslighting Mark and had her genuinely apologize to Mark, maybe she could've earned some goodwill. But the writers completely dropped the ball by ignoring what happened in S1, giving zero incentive to give the audience to regain any sort of investment in Amber or her relationship with Mark.
@@GothamsMostTrusted Yep. Amber was a complete Mary Sue in season one, even dropping woke lines left and right just to reinforce Amazon's mandatory DEI initiatives onto the show. In season two, it's not even the same character anymore, but at least they tried to make her more human and less of a selfish b***h. At least she's no longer with Mark.
the real plot hole about the thraxans is how noulzot knew he should look for mark in college since in the comic he just goes straight for mark and debbie home which is a location nolan would include in his instructions
@@scrapanimation3813 if you can't expect a story to make any kind of sense, constantly making mistakes throughout building up like a cancer then you might as well just watch colors flash on a screen. too much of anything no matter how small the quantity can and will kill you.
Kate wasn’t revived by Cecil, the Kate you see at the Immortals cabin is her original copy, all the other Kate’s we see in the show are just a copy of the original which hid away in safety. Her and Rex’s survival makes sense, though Rae probably didn’t need to survive as well.
Rae surviving really took alot out of the scene. It was a perfect way to kill a character and they just had her survive, not even in the comics does that happen.
@azrael557 I also like that it's a visual counterargument for the knucledraggers that say "why didn't ant man just go inside Thanos"... because exactly what we just saw would happen
I think the issues with the show are similar to the issues in the comics. It's safe to say Kirkman has definitely learned how to pace and develop characters more, but he still has issues with WHAT to pace faster or slower, or WHAT to explain details on as to why things happen so fast, why or how characters know the information they do or make the mistakes they do.
Still feel like it was a bit more fleshed out in the comic. Like, sure it was spread too thin sometimes but ultimately it helped with making a world its own thing with how it was constantly moving (or maybe I just don't get it from the show). Although, in the show more time's spend on main characters but it doesn't feel like it's progressing really. Like, we get additional scenes in which heroes talk about their feelings and thoughts but it feels like it leads to the same results. What the comics was doing with fewer words and scenes, the show achieves with longer dialogues and scenes.
In defence of Kirkman, imagine comics was pushing Imagine universe in which Kirkman had to come up with ideas how to advertise other comics, characters and connect them to show that they are Sam's universe.
@@ArcTrooper269well that depends on if they can breathe or not, eve needed a suit in the sequid episode because she cannot breathe, while mark needed one on his trip to mars because the amount of time the trip was originally going to last exceeded the amount of time mark can hold his breath
Saying that they"fixed" Amber is putting it lightly, they basically body-swapped her brain for someone else's. At this point they could reveal that she's another robot clone and it wouldn't even be out of place.
People (especially teenage women) are just like that bro. We aren't well written characters with consistent characterizations LOL Sometimes they are completely irrational wrecks. Sometimes they are kindest, thoughtful and supremely generous. It's not that complicated
i think they went a little overboard (and season 1 finale last scene with amber getting back with mark is ???) but overall i wanted amber to tone down and act like a normal person. I think they spent too much time on them but the direction they took was good
@@Thane3999that’s such an irrational justification by that baseline, consistency never matters because we are subjective beings. we are a subjective species but never will such a drastic change happen without a predicated belief or idea that pushes for that change. simple. dynamic characters don’t just fluctuate off no proper and efficient basis
@king.olympus7639 I think that the "basis" you're looking for is the fact that in the season 1 finale, she watched mark being almost killed on tv, that is the kind of thing that would humble and make more mature a slightly annoying and selfish teenager ( cause that's what she was, despite the fanbase painting her as some kind of irredeemable monster)
This is so stupid. Amber saw Mark get brutally beaten and almost killed by his own father. Of course her perspective would change. She realizes it's not just some fun ego project he has, he's actually risking his life for others, and that's reflected in her characterization.
Initially, I thought he was wearing a fake beard. I was wrong about that in the comic lore. I thought Viltrumites only grown mustaches, even though I remember seeing Nolan with a beard lol. Now I know that they can. So, whoever I got that info from was completely wrong on that one. That's why it pays to read the source material, ladies and gentlemen.
@@LUMOSHROOMthis isn’t true. It’s actually a thing in the comics. Only viltrumites are strong enough to rip all that hair out without feeling pain so it’s used sometimes as an identifier. No I’m not joking. Also most of your issues with the show are just bc of the comics
@@noahmartin2130 I think it's still an issue for the show, since the original author is working on it and doesn't do anything to fix plot holes and other pre-existent problems. No explanations, no nothing.
Viltrumites can grow a full beard but it's a viltrumite fashion symbol for the grown men to have mustaches, it's has nothing to do with their physiology
So many things wrong with these nit picks. Half of it is explained later on, building up to later story arcs. The fact that you like eve’s dad is insane too. Shapesmith is different because he’s an alien that doesn’t understand human civilization? If you don’t find the humor funny that’s fine, most of. Wasn’t funny to me either but he’s a fish out of water trying to act like he knows what he’s doing. Immortal listens to mark because he realized mark is right, mark is faster and stronger so him taking the device makes sense. Also brother, you’re watching a superhero show… villains escape… how many times has Batman fought the joker, bane, penguin, etc. how many times has Spider-Man fought sandman, green goblin, Doc ock. Nitpicking every convenience is so annoying. So many great shows have conveniences. So many stories wouldn’t see a page if you had to explain why two characters were at the same place at the same time. Breaking bad, oh so Walt just conveniently sits in on a drug bust on his former student? Oh no guess it’s a horrible show.
Kate, a shape shifter, had a backup just in case? Damn that’s mind blowing. You’d probably complain if she did die for real saying that you would’ve had a backup just in case if it were you
1. Immortal listening to Mark is the right decision, but the show acts like it had so much buildup and that Invincible and Immortal had beef when that never happened 2. Invincible is more serious when compared to most Batman media like TV shows so its fine when they escape somehow. 3. Kate surviving makes sense, but is still a stupid decision writing wise because of how much Kate's death was built up
@@flammable1741 Kate's survival is extra damaging since in the whole battle with lizards no one died. At least in the comic it was Ray so at least there was that. But now it looks like in the show where previously death meant a LOT, we had nearly 6 (maybe even more) fakeout deaths in one season.
The problem with Shapesmith is how moronic he is in contrast to every other Martian we see and how it leads to mortal danger of every martian and human on Earth. Just cus he was bored. Conveniences are everywhere but if the plot is dependent on them, it's the problem. If something important happens when it's VERY unlikely to be if everyone is acting accordingly to themselves, it's not good. Robot being not punished for his new body and the way he caused a BREAK OUT for it to happen, happens if Cecil or other GoG members doesn't care when they absolutely should. It's the problem from the comic but it's show's fault for not doing nothing with it. If Mauler Twins and Angstrom doesn't act like morons (which leads to MANY important plot points for the whole series), the whole conflict is not existent.
@@flammable1741 Immortal had beef with Nolan so he saw Mark as someone who shouldn't be trusted. Invincible isn't more serious than Batman and Spider-Man. The Kate thing happened because of comics and future storylines.
Them breaking up doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have told Amber All it means is he shouldn’t have dated her. Because her knowing isn’t what put her in danger. Mark simply being a superhero, and his enemies knowing who he is, puts her in danger. Whether she knows or not.
@@thegreatacolyt1277 she wasn’t even bad in season 1. She had a valid reason for being upset. Mark didn’t have a good reason to lie, at that stage of their relationship
Wow, both of you are either so dumb or illiterate, you guys don’t even realize you're arguing over the same thing 😂. (Do yourself some good go outside and touch grass)
@paigeh7892 No she was, her complaining about Mark missing some meaningless date when she knew that he's a superhero and got his ass kick many times just make her shallow. Additionally, Amber and Mark only dated for a couple of days why would Mark tell Amber that he's a superhero immediately when he hardly knew her? They were not childhood friends like him and Billy, they weren't dating before the series started, not to mention the reason why he didn't tell her was because he didn't want to put her life in danger.
Fair warning eve is the most powerful character, but by the writers admission, the writers arent creative enough to use her properly. I dont think theyre going to completely change the story from the comic in the way they'd need to in order to fix that issue.
@@BeepUKV this could be rectified by either killing them off, writing them off from the story, or actually being creative in the way you write them. i prefer the last option because i personally adore eve's character
@@drfifteenmd7561 I feel it could also be rectified by including an event where the overpowered character somehow loses their power or has them become more limited, such as a permanent dehabilitating injury, or a situation that leads to overuse of them that makes them fried out or entirely gone from the user's body
This video voiced alot of the issues i had. A few others to add - why didn't Angstrom build his machine quite literally ANYWHERE else in the multiverse, somewhere they wouldn't be bothered within 30 seconds of their machine turning on. He already showed us a barren wastland. Also mark so easily got home after the vultrimite attack in ep4 and after his fight with angstrom. Both times i thought wow thus is really interesting, we are going to have to explore Mark lost alone, and see how he has to really harden up/ tap into his vultrimite side ti adapt. Nope. Just as you said. Comvinence. Too many things happen too conviniently just so they can push the story forward. Same with points of charcaters being OP and then wasted. Common issue with this genre. Characters are shown to have really creative, intersting and poeerful abilities only to do the dumbist thing everytime. Like why does Eve mess about with little purple shields when she could turn all the water in their stomaches to diamond
Angstrom makes absolutely no sense period. He's a super genius with wormhole powers, he could just teleport Mark like he did and then just leave him there to rot, or if he wanted him to suffer, leave him trapped in a different dimension while he murders/tortures everyone that matters to Mark, just to teleport him back to admire his handiwork. Like a portal fistfight against Omni-man's son makes no sense
@@jyrlan2596he literally said he was “softening” him up so he could get the satisfaction of killing him with his own hands just watch the show and stop nit picking fictional super powers, they have to make a story
This can, normally, be waved away with "comic book logic" (shows from Teen Titans to Justic League and beyond gave us similar stuff) but... season one didn't run on it... did it?
For real.... And a shit ton of his complaints about the show are essentially complaints about the comic because it's being accurate to the comic. I think you just don't like comic books my guy. It's fine that the viltrumites can navigate space. It's fine that Mark goes to Thraxa. It's fine that alternate Eve doesn't kill alternate Invincible when he paralyzes her. It's a COMIC. BOOK.
Some of it fs, but the show has problems. It’s rushed and too short while also having bad writing in some areas. Amber being the best example. Especially in S1. It’s a great show don’t get me wrong, but that doesn’t mean it has its issues.
I really don't like how much of a backseat the Guardians took this season. The first season had a nice arc of them learning to stop fighting and come together as a team. However the culmination of that arc was them helping save survivors in the wake of the chaos in Chicago; they very clearly hadn't found their footing as a true fighting force capable of replacing the OG Guardians. I was hoping to see them grow even closer this season but outside of Rex, the characters barely do anything. Immortal and Kate have an incredibly rushed romantic subplot, which was ruined by her fake-out death (why did she wait so long to tell him she was alive? Why does she want people to think she is dead at all?). We get a bit of Rudy learning to fight in the field and embrace the inherent danger of actually living in the world, but its resolved really quickly. Combine that with his Monster Girl subplot, which was just her bitching him out until she finally forgives him, and it just sucks that they reduced a top S1 character so much (also for anyone that reads this that has seen Jujutsu Kaisen, Mechamaru is such a carbon copy of Rudy that it's distracting, not a criticism of Invincible of course but Gege has to have read the comics). Shapesmith sucks as you said; he isn't funny and he gets off way too easily for what he did. Bulletproof gets absolutely zero characterisation outside of that one rant he has, a rant I didn't even like because it just emphasised how little growth we were getting for the team. Shrinking Rae's "death" was a horrific and very interesting scene but undoing was such a slap in the face; maybe the character is important later in the comics and can't die, but either way this gave me such a sour feeling. Black Samson also did absolutely nothing, his only relevance was as a secondary leader with the charisma to assist Rudy but this role is usurped by Immortal. Overall the entire team, again bar Rex, just feels like they were treading water the entire season.
@@thekrakensdaughter I've seen theorizing that Rae was kept around in order to have her take the place of certain other cameo characters like Spawn that probably won't appear in the television show due to rights issues or Kirkman not wanting all of his properties to be licensed under Amazon.
I felt like this seasons DBZd us. Nobody actually died, it doesn't seem like there's any real consequences. Also, why tf didn't Nolan and andrissa name their damn baby? Why did marks mom have to do it
12:00 Did the possibility that it might be a fake beard not pop into your head when writing this? Your nitpicks man. I thought I was a neurotic critic. This is literally just cinemasins tier critique.
Ain't no way bro calls Eve's nasy ass dad a good guy Eve's dad is a absolute scumbag who only is there to just treat Eve like shit He doesn't take the hand out not out of wanting to earn it but because he see's Eve like a freak Can't wait for bro to see the scene with him and Mark
Hon tf do you find a way to defend and even call eves dad a favourite character :0! Gold medal in mental gymnastics my man. It’s shown how he’s been a stubborn and actively spiteful antagonists to eve since childhood and refusing help from others isn’t a characteristic to take pride in! He’s bullied his own daughter for being different constantly, like he is comically scummy!
to be fair the likability of the character itself is more than likely not what he meant, more so the subtle writing. Like a "most improvement" award, he went from being bottom two with the guy who fed his son train passengers to dick with a point. This also might be besides the point but i genuinely think that super powered children in fiction, SHOULD be treated differently. Because they are. And most the time they are very dangerous. Not bullied or else you get a brightburn situation but you can't look at eve's ability to change matter and let her think that it's ok to just DO that without much thought.
@ira-jay It's probably because Eve's dad Is a more realistic and comprehensible sort of evil. That a person might have had real experience with. Unlike a massmurdering alien.
@@ira-jay I never really thought that he was wrong about Eve needing to learn to control her power. It's really the WHY of it that I find disgusting. He finds people with superpowers enviable, so he treats them like dangerous freaks. He acts like Eve is this time bomb but she has the ability to do great and good things for the world. She just needed to learn how to best apply them. That's what her character arc is about to me. She's been treated like she's inherently undesirable to normal people, and she has to learn what she CAN do to help. Also they don't say it, but I definitely think he dislikes the idea of his daughter being able to provide for them easier than he can since he's the man of the family. It's not about controlling her powers as much as it is about HIM having control over the family. What happened at that park only affirmed his prejudices about her.
13:12 the writers aren't rushing. There is a mole in the camp and yes. Viltrumites are extremely good at finding planets. That's kinda what they do literally. That's literally their whole thing and they have pretty advanced technology to do this.
How did eve's dad know the lot was unstable but not the construction workers? The workers were building right next to it, wouldn't the building also be unstable?
@@azrael557 the random mom that stood up for eve against the worker literally said that the park that was left to rot for years and they never tried to build it so the workers knew but told no one that the park was unstable
finding an actually good analysis of invincible on youtube is nigh impossible, congrats on continuing the trend by misunderstanding almost every single point in season 2, every single character arc in season 2, and every single message it was trying to tell you.
23:48: "why not explain to Mark" In Angstrom's defense, the device was already active and you could make the argument that Angstrom 2 to 100, remembering the homicidal mass-killer that is Mark, began influencing his decision-making. He comes off as an egotist whose Utopian ideals trump reason. So by this point, he's incapable of thoroughly explaining his plan in full. And realistically, could he even do that while Mauler and Mark were fighting? There's a very realistic chance that Mark doesn't believe him at all and shuts down the machine, possibly ending his plan at best or killing off all the Angstroms at worst. Even if this isn't apparent, the mind-merger was always doomed to fail with how many realities that fell to Mark and the Vultrimite Empire.
@@melon6507lol "standalone", it's an adaptation of a comic series being produced by the original writer. Just say reading is hard and you don't like the show lol.
@@Joanbueller007 there absolutely is no external reading required to enjoy invincible, there is however, external reading requirements for judging the pacing of the show (not talking about release schedules I'm talking about literary pacing) and the fact that there are things that were built up that haven't reached a payoff yet.
@@josephross63So I guess we shouldn't criticize one thing for what is doing now , because it will get better. I mean serial killers kill people......but we shouldn't be so quick to judge. Am I right ,Joseph?
12:56 i believe you made a grevious error here. Allan had just talked with mark saying that viltrumites dont execute their own until fully healed, had just received the info from mark and deliberately wanted to be captured knowing that nolan was held there. "Im here for you man, im here for you"
@@willharcus110 in the moments she does use it is generally when she actually has a hole in her body or something like that but the atom eve special has she using it in a less extreme situation
About Levy, I think confusion and disfigurement was a result of interrupting the machine. I was under the impression that the twins had already ironed out the kinks and, had the process been completed, it would've ended fine for every Angstrom.
@@Holyluckdan ikr that's people who think they know everything about the show without reading it and its all going to pay off in season 3 whenever it comes out which is most likely 2030 wont be surprised
I feel like it would be more convenient if the viltrumites came later and gave Mark the time to train that Nolan talked about. It’s literally an INCONVENIENCE to Mark that they arrived as early as they did
fr like i might be wrong but most of this stuff either happened in the original comics (which they can change that's fine, the point isn't staying with the source material) but the Viltrumites have apparently been conquering worlds for a very long time, is it not somewhat believable that they would get really really efficient lol
Lazy is the wrong word I think the better way of putting it is mismanaged it spends a lot of time trying to address the problems with season 1 while foreshadowing future episodes so much that the main story suffers I still really loved this season yes there are more contrivances but overall it’s still a good season the writers weren’t lazy the just got over ambitious and introduced too many things at once I would’ve personally cut out the martian and lizard league stuff so that they could better focus on it later. Still have shapesmith just have him brought on by Cesil with bulletproof and make it clear they had suspicions something had happened with the mars mission and knew who he was from day 1
33:40 Canonically viltrumites are made of "smart atoms" that can be programmed on a subatomic scale allowing for their impossible durability and FTL travel. So it would likely be quickly easy to scan for them, especially by their own species.
the one hero that could dublicate dies and later it turns out that she didnt due to her stashing away another dublicate... and you are supriesed? i would think it was wierd if she did die.
1. William telling mark that he should help possibly innocent aliens whos world is about to get destroyed is not spiteful 2. Theres probably infinite dimensions, each with something different, her unlocking her full potential again would've just happen in another universe 3. The fact that a human survived 2 months without air or sleep is the least concerning thing about invincible 4. When was it said that the lizard league went to prison instead of just escaping before they got caught 5. The one that REALLY shouldn't have survived was ray, the others make sense 6. IIrc they attempted to revive the guardians (didn't work) I feel like alot of these are nitpicks but alot is vaild
maybe more generations, these guys learn quickly and pass that on, so like we learn something for weeks, they in a day, so they dispite living shorter do have more knowledge forgive my English
1- You're just warping that so it sounds a lot worse. Its a misguided and frankly stupid thing for William to say. I'm willing to accept it isn't exactly 'spiteful' but it wasn't a really good thing for him to be condoning. 2- Whats that supposed to mean? A logical and invalid inconsistency isn't valid because it 'probably' happened in some universe which we never see? 3- Doesn't make it not a problem. You can't just defend a glaring issue by saying 'there's more important things.' Plus, it IS an important thing. The Sequids have a pretty key role in the series, and just glossing over a perfectly reasonable logical inconsistency is a pretty bad issue in this regard. It could be easily fixed, like maybe the Sequids provide nutrients or condition the brain in some sort of state where the astronaut can survive, but I'm not going to do the shows writing for it. 4- It isn't said, but thats just one case. What about the cannon guy? The lizard league took a severe beatdown anyway, and sure, its possible they escaped before going to prison... but why not show that? Its a weird illogical jump that no one would instantly come to, and even if we forget this particular instance the main issue is still strong and present. 5- I think the maker of the video was talking how they shouldn't have survived from a logical standpoint, not a narrative one. This is largely a point I disagree with on both fronts. I think generally everyone agrees that Ray should have died from both a logical and narrative standpoint, but the real issue arises in Kate and partially Rex. Rex, while his survival doesn't work that well logically, is great narratively, as it grows his character and he's still quite important to the story. Kate's survival works more LOGICALLY however, as it would be common sense for someone of her powers to have a backup hidden away somewhere. Narratively, it CAN work, but it comes off as silly and removes a lot of the weight from the lizard league butchering scene. 6- Yes, but not in this way, or so we know. Of course they would attempt to revive the guardians, no one argues against that, but the problem arises when we remember how the GDA replaced 98% of Donald with robotic parts, around THIRTY TIMES. The brains of several of the guardains are intact, all of which more so than Donald's would have been after that explosion, or being crushed, or the other explosion, so it doesn't really make sense that the guardians couldn't have been replaced in the same way. Excuses CAN be made, like maybe they were dead for too long, or maybe their powers relating to their body couldn't be replicated (though this doesn't really work because reviving them would still be necessary, even if it meant losing the powers) but the show doesn't provide these, and its not our job to fill in the gaps.
@@LeanBeansOSC 1- Wasn't the whole point of William saying that because asteroids was coming to the aliens planet? William telling Mark to help them would, in his mind be possibly saving innocents. He compared the situation to Rick's because that's what happened the last time Mark didn't help someone. 2- Maybe it would make more sense, but it doesn't need to happen considering it's a different dimension with different events. Plus that scene was one of many focusing on all the evil stuff Mark did, why would it show Eve unlocking her full potential again? 3- "Maybe the Sequids provides nutrients or condition where the brain in some sort of state where the astronaut can survive" I was just about to say that before I read the full comment, but that's what I thought happened, I just thought the Sequids was keeping him alive. And I said "there's more important things" because the show is about literal aliens who look exactly like us and speak our language. Like someone surviving on mars in a world filled of superhumans and aliens is the least concerning thing. Pointing out how that's unrealistic but saying nothing about humanoid aliens is strange. 4- Iirc they didn't show them going to prison either. 5. I agree with this 6. I agree with this too
@@Vejoice 1- I understand why he said it and its connection to himself, yet it is still a misguided and reckless thing to ask of Mark. 2- We still don't see it, and its only a small part of the problem, which is the weird inconsitencies with Eve's powers. We never see her full potential unlocked in any universe, which is a flaw and problem. Could be a really cool alternate universe tbh. 3-Again, it doesn't make it less of a problem. Having 'humanoid aliens' isn't the same, as that doesn't have a flaw in logic. A human somehow surviving while being deprived of essential needs without any explaination is a plot hole through and through, while 'alien humanoids' doesn't defy any logic we know and is feasable.
@@LeanBeansOSC 3- You could say alot of things are a problem. Fish people? Unrealistic. Godzilla sized monsters? Unrealistic. Curses which make you younger? Unrealistic. Donald surviving after being exploded would be unrealistic as well. My point is that there is so much unrealistic stuff that that point just seems weird to me.
As someone who read the comics because they were taking too long to bring season 2, they aren’t really rushing the story. So far everything is aligning and there’ll be some changes here and there but it’ll still happen
this feels like a slow season that definitely couldve been managed better but i think it was fine enough to put i guess the "smaller and earthly" conflicts down in preparation of the rest of the show cuz it gets pretty big afterwards in terms of scale esp now the viltrumite problem starting to build
commenting from 18:15 but Eve's power isn't about inorganic material just sentient material i.e. plants and animals, I can see how that could be confused but that's how her mental block is a failsafe and really only comes undone in moments of extremely near-death
12:02 - this could be explained w/ characters going to different locations, like Allen coulda went to different planets before going to therestria(no idea how to spell that)
The fact that they reduced the Omnipotus arc, one of THE BEST ARCS FROM THE OG COMIC & one of the most important stories for the character arcs of Robot & Tech Jacket to a pathethic 10 seconds punchline was by far why I hated the most about this season The whole point of that arc is to show that with or without Mark, the world is ALWAYS in danger & always needs to be protected In the show instead they only TOLD YOU the fight was hard, but it has no impact because its all told instead of shown, like, SHOW, DON'T TELL
ABSOLUTELY agree about the tonal whiplash at the Angstrom fight. It was incredibly hard to watch/enjoy little fun references to other series while Debbie gets her arm broken and Oliver cries so hard that I don't even want to know what they did to get that recording of getting a baby to cry like it was in distress.
18:40 she can actually change people or animals but only in the event of her breaking her limiter. It happens a few times when she's close to death and in the atom eve special (probably as a way to show the audience it's possible so that it doesn't feel like an ass pull later on).
With the Martian, it actually makes sense that they let him stay. They probably wanted a new Martian in the new Guardians after what happened with Omniman. They were probably hoping that he would take up the new mantle
It's crazy to me to see people, apparently you included, act like Amber is a horrible character or something when she's just like a realistically written person with pretty reasonable reactions even if they aren't necessarily morally correct, that doesn't make her badly written character. And like I don't understand why people think that her being upset about him hiding his identity from her is that crazy. Secrets in relationships are bad.
I don't understand your complaints about the Angstrom subplot converging with the Mark subplot at the christmas tree machine. Your complaint is "if the subplots went differently they wouldn't have converged" but that's the point of subplot convergence. You can complain the subplots had to make small contrivances to converge the way they did but your examples of contrivances are easily explained and feel like natural plot progressions. It's almost like you wanted the subplots to not converge at all but then there wouldn't even be a story. To be more specific, a lot of examples are explained when you consider Angstrom's only superpower is multiverse hopping. Otherwise he's a completely normal human with human limitations and a human lifespan. He doesn't have the time or resources to do all the things he wants to do in his short lifetime, so he takes this shortcut with the Maulers. On that note, the Maulers are both the only choice he has access to and a terrible choice. They're egotistical narcissistic supergeniuses with low wisdom, who believe themselves infallible and omnipotent.
34:26 this guy actually is slow and did not absolutely ABSOLUTELY DID NOT read the comics and what lazying writing the only thing i see is lazy is you ranting about stupid shit and season 2 is good if not better then season 1
The nitpick on the cecil bots with not using them to revive the guardians could easily be explained with it being sinclair's expertise making it possible, as Cecil only picked him up after the Guardian's deaths.
33:36 The Viltrumites knew where Mark was Because they already knew where Earth was Because they're the reasons why Nolan was on Earth How is this a plothole?
My mistake. Anissa only had the entire planet of Earth to search. I forgot how easy that was for aliens with no comprehension of English or human geography and who do not know what Mark looks like.
@@LUMOSHROOM There were several Viltrumites who saw what Mark looked like ,including thier leader, while on the Thraxan planet. Or hell, they probably could have just pressed the information from Nolan himself about where he and Mark lived, and then superspeed flew around until she found the place. Also, speaking of said super-speed flight, its not like Annisa couldn't have scouted out for countries and places that looked right. Also also. Clearly the aliens have a comprehension of English because all the aliens have been speaking English. There is SEVERAL reasonable answers here that could answer why this SUPER HIGH TECH ALIEN RACE could figure out where Mark is. Hell, for all we know they could have been monitoring Earth for as long as Nolan had been there
@@LUMOSHROOMThey do know what he looks like. When Allen goes back to the Coalition of Planets Headquarters, they have already have photos of Mark as Invincible. It makes a lot of sense that a Species as Intelligent and Advanced as the Viltrumites would have a higher degree of surveillance Technology. Not to mention, its seems like Anissa was already watching Mark for a while based off of the fact that she knew he was Invincible.
32:30 donald had his brain compeletly intact which is why he can be a robot constantly despite exploding to death several times somehow while none of the guardians had their brain intact beacuse omni-man smashed their head except immortal
Shapesmith isn't being funny on purpose. He's a fish out of water character and his comedic value is supposed to come from how poorly-adjusted he is to human norms. The writers were trying to be funny through him; but the jokes are lame and don't align with how the show portrays other Martians. Rex is funnier than him. Allen is funnier than him. Even the Lizard League is funnier than Shapesmith.
@@LUMOSHROOM reading and viewing comprehension is skew because you still refuse to see the* point even tho you just reinforced it 😂. He wouldn't have "worldy" comedy... Do you get it now?
It's not the fact that he's not using conventional humor, it's just the fact that he's unfunny and he is an annoying example of a poorly written Millstone archetype character.
alot of this criticism is just the concept of cause and effect in narrative storytelling. "if mark hadn't made this choice at this point in the show then Armstrong wouldn't know who he was" yes, that's how narratives work. very silly.
12:16 - Viltrumite hair is not made of smart atoms, but their skin is, which is why the Toolock Pull (Thaedus ripping his beard out) does not damage their invulnerable skin but does pull out their hair. If their hair were invulnerable they would have no way to shave and the iconic mustache that every Viltrumite male has would be impossible
The reason they didn’t bring the guardians back is probably due to the powers not being present and that being a dead set reason for them to find out they are a robot like Donald wondering if they thought of that or just we’re lazy
Excellent video breakdown, I loved it! But, there's one correction I'd like to give you since you have given a slightly wrong understanding on Anstrom. 22:22 Slight correction. He went after the main character because he had experienced evil Marks in other dimensions. And, these evil Marks killed many people. So, your statement that he attacked Mark "for no good reason" is slightly false.
I feel a general understanding throughout this conversation that you should avoid getting mad over "nitpicks" when a show isnt fully developed. We are aproaching the part of invincible that is most remembered for and is appreciated. So many aspects of this show are setting up things for the future. Keep in mind that most changes made in the show are things robert kirkman wished he did in the comics.
This season is like Breaking Bad Season 2. Breaking Bad season 2 did not have a lot of huge moments but it did set up important plot points and characters, and character motivations.
While I do definitely agree that the season would have benefited pretty tremendously from a few more episodes and definitely rushed the plot along, a lot of these arguments seem more like nitpicks you're expecting us to take as objective truths. Here are some of the points you made that I have counters for: Mark overcorrecting due to his feelings of self-doubt and wanting to prove to himself and to everyone else that he's not his dad by abandoning his post on Earth when he believes that an entire planet needs his help is not a "convenience" to the plot. It's actually a very effective way of showing how his declining mental status allows for others to take advantage of him. Intergalactic travel inconsistencies is not a "convenience." Viltrumites are already shown at this point to be exceedingly capable of intergalactic travel due to them having perfected it millennia ago. Same goes for their tracking skills, this is like saying it's a convenience that a wolf "just happened" to be able to find its prey because its nose "conveniently" lead it to said prey. Eve's entire *character* is how she's afraid of overexerting her own abilities due to the consequences they can have. You even bring this up outright in the "good" section. This seems like a double standard you have if "Eve overextending her powers and then seeing the consequences for it first-hand" is a good thing, but then "Eve becoming cautious and scared of her abilities and/or not being able to think of better ways to utilize her abilities during the heat of battle" is a bad thing. Angstrom choosing to "merge my knowledge with all other versions of myself" isn't a convenience at all, and failing to acknowledge that makes me feel as though you've been failing to actually critically analyze these characters. The Maulers call him out on this explicitly at the start of the season by pointing out how he can just talk to his alternates, which he dismisses because he is, in fact, the egotistical megalomaniac that he shows himself to be later on in the season. He didn't care about resolving all of the world's problems, he cared about everyone knowing that it was him and only him who resolved all the world's problems. He makes this pretty explicit during his fight at the end of the season as well where he insists that he's "trying to save the world" to Debbie. His own hypocrisy is explicitly stated to the viewers. If we weren't supposed to consider this as a factor, they wouldn't have very explicitly told it to us in dialogue. That's pretty much the basis of Chekov's gun: The question of "why merge all of your alternates' knowledge into you instead of just talking to them" is planted in the first episode, and it pays off in the last episode with "because underneath his cheery exterior before the accident, Angstrom is a self-absorbed narcissist along the same lines as Reverse Flash and Lex Luthor." Usually I wouldn't throw this card, but your argument about the Lizard League is completely senseless when you remember that this is, in fact, a superhero show. You're shocked that the Lizard League keeps "escaping prison?" Why bring your own convenience of "they went to prison off screen" in the first place? King Lizard having returned from prison doesn't imply that the Lizard League went to prison and then escaped off-screen between the shapesmith introduction and the end of the episode, it implies that they retreated and escaped. We're both told during the first season and shown during the second season that the lizard league isn't considered to be a serious threat by anyone, including Cecil. Those points lay the ground both for them flying under Cecil's radar when they actually DO become a threat during Season 2, *and* give probable cause for how King Lizard was able to escape prison in the first place, being that he wasn't considered a big enough threat to be detained with other supers like the Maulers. The way that Duplikate survived is stated pretty explicitly in the show itself. The first thing that she says to Immortal when he enters his cottage is that she "always kept an extra hidden away just in case." They go into this more explicitly later on in the comics and I imagine that MultiPaul's fight in Season 3 will also go into more detail on this. The discussion of genetic similarity is clarified in Season One. Viltrumites can presumably reproduce with *most* species, with the reason that Nolan gives being that "viltrumite DNA is [...] pure." That in and of itself is a convenience, yes, but this is fiction. When I am told that a species in fiction can reproduce with most morphologically similar species because "their DNA is pure," I'm not going to argue and say "but what does that mean," I'm going to say "Oh yeah, okay, sure. They can produce offspring with other species because their DNA is pure, we'll go with that." The argument about Oxygen on the martian ship doesn't make much sense when you then argue that Livingston should have been dead from a lack of sleep. If the sequids needed to keep him alive and couldn't just puppet a corpse, that means that they would have had the martians fill their ship with a human-breathable atmosphere. Likewise, Martians wearing suits in their military ships isn't a convenience either. If you know that you're going toe-to-toe with an enemy who could depressurize your ship, why would you not wear your suit inside said ship so that you can survive if it's destroyed? Finally, I propose a general catch-all for Cecil being less competent this season, which is simply because, without Nolan or well-trained guardians, the GDA are stretching themselves exceedingly thin and have to make less-calculated risks simply due to them not having any other options. Again, this is not something that I'm just pulling out of my behind here, this is pretty explicitly shown in Season 2 when Mark returns from space, the other heroes of the invincible universe are in limited supply and high demand from the GDA, which adds to the reasons why Cecil is angry at Mark for running off. Whether or not you can argue within reason that this is lazy or contrived... yeah, it is, sure. However, the point of any given scene in this show is to forward the plot. The storyline is being rushed, they're not settling for filler content. If a cutaway scene shows that the guardians are overworking themselves along with other heroes, the reason for that scene existing in the first place is to tell the viewers just that. Now with all of that said, I want to clarify that you *do* make a lot of good points in this video. I just think that you supplemented them with a lot of not-so-good points, which I feel detracts from the video. The Angstrom and DupliKate arguments in particular, I felt detracted from the video pretty drastically simply because they were mistakes, possibly written while watching the season for the first time and not corrected later on when putting this video together. You have a pretty solid format and are clearly talented at editing, I think you'd just benefit from re-reviewing your scripts a little bit to ensure that you're getting things right.
You clearly haven’t read the comic. But there is a reason why Amber couldn’t stop Mark in other dimensions. Also keep in mind in most dimension Amber likely has some sort of existing relationship with Mark. So it would make sense that she wouldn’t go into God mode to stop him. In the Special the people she did this to were her abusers. And she had enough. Mark likely was not seen the same way by other versions of Eve. Regarding Angstrom. I disagree. He was an amazing villain. I think showing him too much would have taken away from him. The finale wasn’t so much about a fist battle. It was the stakes of Angstrom having the ability to kill Mark’s family but not being able to stop him due to his dimensional portals. You don’t fear for Mark’s life but the life of those around him. Angstrom motives don’t make sense. But he’s also insane and his mind is scrambled. So that make sense About the villains. Yes many continue to show up. But isn’t this what happens with Batman and Superman or Spiderman villains? They escape constantly. Sometimes they show the escapes and sometimes they’re just “out”. It’s a common superhero trope. Not worth nitpicking to be honest Also Invincile is a super hero show. It’s not a deconstruction show either. It’s meant to embrace the fun and silliness of the genre. It’s not meant to try to be realistic. So space travel, or time it takes to get places. That’s all stuff you don’t need to think about. It’s just meant to be fun
i have only to see people still complaining about this terrible writing decision and how the show tried to force perspective so you would think it’s not bad to know i should skip this video
@@Dru2037 everyone character takes amber side and mark gets shit on for things unrelated to the break up, the show is trying to point a finger at mark and say “marks is bad and he needs to change because he is responsible for bad things” examples of this is William talking about marks grades when he’s stressed with super hero life, amber and school, he needs some emotional support and william does fuck all to help him, and the show doesn’t really paint him as a bad friend so clearly we are meant to take his side that marks needs to just “deal with it”
You're absolutely right. But short of knocking on the fourth wall to admit how badly they screwed up, I think that course correction was their best option.
Great video! just wanted to add that when you say "the writers" you're actually just referring to the comic writers that wrote the comics in late 2000's since the show is a very close adaptation to the comics, actually most of the criticisms you brought up are arguably worse IN the comics since the show writers have actually done some improvement over them (aside from amber). Also as a comic reader, It was really inevitable that this season would be worse than S1, and IMO the WEAKEST season of the show since this had the slowest and most unsatisfying part of the comic's run. But trust me you really do need to stick around since they're only scratching the surface. S3 and S4 are gonna be fucking AMAZING.
Im curious about Shrinking Ray 's future role in the show, is she going to replace one of the new characters? In the comic she is actually a man and dies in the lizards league attack.
Your point at the end, and main through-line, is why I personally hated the comic-con scene. The season fumbled so many arcs due to time constraints but found time for a long / unimportant scene that you can cut entirely and miss nothing. To make matters worse, the whole point of the season 2 announcement trailer with Mark and Allan eating burgers was to explain how time consuming the animation process is. Instead of that wasted 5 minutes at comic-con, how about we give those to Nolan, who was sidelined to an egregious level this season.
The Angstrom Levy argument.... bro just wait for Season 3, please. His whole character is based off of villains who are petty and evil to heroes for trivial reasons. (I can't spoil why the reason is simple)
It's annoying when Invincible fans keep saying "Just wait for next season thats when this boring or under developed charcter will become intresting" It's like playing a game and someone says "Don't worry after 20 hours the story starts to get good."
@@3lle272 it takes time to build up characters and plots. If you cant deal with character and plot development that runs through a SERIES then watch something episodic instead of nitpicking
@@waffleiron8625 Don't know how you arrived to that conclusion. I love Charcter Development in a series especially when it's done well. But come on,Angstrom Levy, at least this season, felt more like a plot device rather then a charcter. He was more there to help develop Mark's Charcter. Kirkman himself even confirmed this. I actually liked this charcter and was sad we didn't see much of him. But hey maybe your right. Maybe I'll go watch other shows like Vox Machina. A show that actually knows how to properly develop a charcter, be it for a season or just one episode.
This is minor but how can a species that lives for 1 earth year have unlocked interstellar space travel while the majority of the human race probably doesn't even know that is possible?
Wait what the fuck? Dudes so unsupportive to his own daughter, even called her weird before powers, and works a job that does not care about him. What about him is likable. His stubbornness doesn’t make it him interesting. It makes his anger and sense of value meaningless and void of logic.
Something that really bothers me this season is how Mark hasn't gotten at all stronger. Sure, we're told he is, but it feels like he just loses over and over again. On Thraxa, he somehow puts up with actual Viltrumites, and once he's told by his dad to "Fight like a Viltrumite", he even manages to KILL one. It's absolutely mind boggling how the power scaling seems to be so convenient every single time. I'm fine with an opponent somehow turning out to be somewhat stronger or outsmarting the protagonist, but seeing Angstrom Levy actually not be INSTANTLY killed after he threatens Mark's family is wild. Mark's reaction times, strength, speed, all just seem random and depend entirely on how the writers feel that day. I get it, he's young, doesn't have much experience, and he still needs to go through a character arc, but we are 2 seasons in. He already did training with his father, took on countless opponents, was beaten to death and back by Nolan, fought and won against ACTUAL VILTRUMITE SOLDIERS, and we're supposed to believe that he somehow falls short against a random guy with a big brain? There's no amount of genetic editing that can put him on Mark's current level. It just feels we're literally right where we started. I don't want Dragonball-type power issues, where characters in the first arcs are threats to the entire universe, but Mark should've been far stronger than what we're being shown.
Mark is literally still new to his powers compared to other Viltrumites. He mentally tells himself to hold back because he doesn't want to kill anyone. How you don't get that obvious aspect of his character is just insane...
Eh, that’s not really a writing problem. That’s a personal suspension of disbelief issue They’ve well established how technology, magic, and genetic engineering can make you a top tier in this world. Like the reanimen, and Allen, and the immortal Angstrom being strong enough to give mark trouble isn’t a inconsistency.
29:15 "Viltrumite rules on interbreeding" I might be misremembering this but theres no such rule in the comics.If anything it would fit with the whole Vilturmite superiority angle as they would never breed with a weaker species (and also plays into the later story arcs)so I dont know why thats even a thing
You complaining about the mauler twins and amgstrum..... Omg... this video is pain on not going to lie. I enjoyed this season. I complain about LOTS of stuff in plenty of shows. But i feel like bro was watching this season literally writing down his disappointments and the details in them as they were happening to get this sweet sweet video out. Edit: just looked at your channel, makes sense. Common hate tuber activitys. Not subbing but have a good day
Yeah, some point just flat out don't make sense in my opinion. He criticizes Eve for not going god mode more often when that only unlocked when she was extremely damaged. It legit feels like bro wrote down his thoughts and then just didn't alter them when he learned they were wrong, that, or he just didn't pay attention.
19:21 Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of 'this variant is really nerfed.' I wasn't even considering her peak moment in the OVA, just her base form should be able to harm invincible, unless the evil variant is that well-versed in Viltrumite strength.
Any review that hyperfixates on hating Amber is certainly undermined in my view. So I don't think anyone was wrong for pointing it out. It's a cartoon, but you guys get upset with her like she's a real person that's actually hurt someone. There have been plenty of nagging or annoying girlfriends or just general female characters who don't get this same kind of hate. We're going to pretend this isn't some type of hate you guys have for certain people that you would be projecting onto her? You're literally willing to redeem a murderer but the girl that didn't like being lied to, oh no that's too much.
It’s because her character is annoying and hardly provides any actual entertainment value. Omni Man is the complete opposite, hes a great character, and hella memeable.
33:29. I bet they could find nolan too if he were on earth why not mark? They surely know where he was posted and know he abandoned said post. Even Allen would find him given enough time and narrowing it to USA. Look for Mark for a few months maybe at the speed to move quickly in space and you can find him.
The Boys and Invincible both struggle from being weighed down by love plots that the writers seem to think are imperative to audience enjoyment. Bottom line, a love story needs to be pretty novel in order to justify being up against all the other scenes in an inverted superhero movie
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Story believability??? It's a show about aliens and flying people????
So where's the line? What would be too far for you?
It's all make-believe so it would be okay to have Cardi B show up for a musical number?
Would it be a problem for you if Allen suddenly teamed up with the Green Lantern corps?
Would it be okay for the Viltrumites to suddenly declare themselves peaceful turnip farmers?
@LUMOSHROOM flying h1tler man just had a baby with a cockroach. There is no line.
sn1 was very grounded bro, the plot made sense and the payoffs were worth it, sn2 just feels like filler episodes
@@georgeclooney6208 a man that runs faster than the speed of light grounded??
@@geraldhenderson8474 If only all of our standards were this low.
Duplikate literally says she keeps a secret copy miles away just in case something like what happened with the lizard league happened. She didn’t actually die and the show makes that really clear
I wonder what she does while duplicates of herself do the fighting for her
@@Mewdo45 She lives the life of a hermit I guess. Honestly for a person whose only power is duplication, keeping the OG body safe in a distant location is a brilliant decision.
wait when did she say that again
@@ClockworkWyrmNo it isn't, and I would argue she never fully utilized it. She could have had the original clone on standby to coordinate a counterattack or spring a trap of some kind, but she's just off twiddling her thumbs waiting for the rest of her to die. Duplikate couldve been fighting full force against the Lizard League but instead got Shrinking Ray killed, and cost Rex his arm and almost his life as well.
At first I was so sure Immortal was just having a serious mental break
To be fair the reason Kate survived was because she hid her “0” clone, presumably the original, in a safe location. This is a detail from the comics that we learn from Multi-Paul, who originally advised her to do so.
Muller Twin: If you were the original, you'd know that.
She also said it in the Show.
You don’t watch the post credit scenes, do you?
@@rjk537take a chill pill
@@Z3R0NU11 what makes you say that? Could you explain a bit?
My biggest problem with this season was how it handled the viltrumite conflict. Mark is told the viltrumites are coming for earth. There is a doomsday clock ticking and yet no one seems to be overly concerned or worried.
Mark returns to earth and its hardly mentioned by him or anyone else. Even when Annisa comes knocking it doesn't feel right.
There is no atmosphere of concern or growing tension. There Is no full scale effort to prepare for there arrival no meetings being held to discuss strategy or what there next move should be.
A doomsday clock is ticking and they are acting like it has a snooze button.
You're totally right. It takes Mark all of season 2 to realize that the cosmic war is more important than college and that he should be actively getting stronger in anticipation of it coming to Earth.
Seemed rushed like there is a episode missing
The thing is, all of that ticking clock mentality has been building up since season one already, and all of the preparations they make in the comics and show are spent on Omni Man in season 1 and they realize they can't do shit, so Season 2 is basically just hoping they don't invade earth soon because they have pretty much nothing right now, its a very dire situation and right now all of the characters are just trying to get by without thinking too much about how they are likely about to die or be ensalved soon, and Mark is still just a kid who is processing a fuck ton of information and situations he was not prepared for, while still trying to hold on to the little piece of normal in his life or otherwise he would lose his mind
@@TyranojexThe Viltrumites are also one of many threats featured in Season 2. Mark and the other characters are constantly being assailed by aliens like the Sequids, criminals like the Lizard League or the Mauler Twins, extra-dimensional beings like Onnipotus or Angstrom Levy, kaiju, Atlanteans and even a buried undead pharaoh like Ka-Hor.
These characters barely get time to think long term and Cecil’s own resources are repeatedly shown to be ineffective against even a single Viltrumite.
Mark giving information to the Coalition Of Planets was the most he felt he could do in that moment while dealing with everything else around him and with Angstrom’s death, even him cutting his workload in half by ditching his civilian responsibilities and fully committing to improving his abilities, if a Viltrumite were to show up and he hasn’t subjugated the planet, neither he nor the Guardians nor Cecil would be able to stop them in their current state.
Plan to do..what? The best hope they have against viltrumites right now is Invincible, which is clearly not enough. All they can do right now is wait and keep an eye out for any opportunity that comes their way to help defend against Viltrum. I think the show establishes this well enough but in the comics it is also clear that this world has a lot of stuff going on and there are almost constantly huge world threats popping up they need to deal with.
I think Mark’s desire to prove he isn’t his father is the reason behind chose to go to Thraxa. He had to show that he cared about others, more to himself than anyone else.
It sounds like you’re complaining because the show is actually following the comics timeline, it feels rushed because it literally was things were happening back to back and Mark had no time to sit down and process. He underestimated how fast everything was going to happen which adds to the tragedy factor because Mark could notcatch a break.
You're right,he should criticize the comics.
The comics are not great. The character motivations don't make sense a lot of the time. I hope the show changes a lot of things.
Have you reas the comic? Pacing is much better
@@MAX-de8fegive me some examples of character motivations in the comics that don’t make sense 😂
@@MAX-de8fe The comics were just the comics, with a comics-like approach. I don’t think we should give a slap on the wrist just because of the chosen medium and its conventions, but the pacing and character issues are certainly widespread in the comics media, with just notable exceptions by talented writer
A lot of Amber & Mark screentime could've been traded for literally any other use and the season's quality would increase
In 1st season it made me mad, now i was just disappointed.
Yup, and the mom getting over nolan, i fast fowarded those scenes snooze drama fest
If they had at least acknowledged that Amber was wrong for essentially gaslighting Mark and had her genuinely apologize to Mark, maybe she could've earned some goodwill. But the writers completely dropped the ball by ignoring what happened in S1, giving zero incentive to give the audience to regain any sort of investment in Amber or her relationship with Mark.
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Yep. Amber was a complete Mary Sue in season one, even dropping woke lines left and right just to reinforce Amazon's mandatory DEI initiatives onto the show. In season two, it's not even the same character anymore, but at least they tried to make her more human and less of a selfish b***h. At least she's no longer with Mark.
Well its a good thing invincible is done with amber now
the real plot hole about the thraxans is how noulzot knew he should look for mark in college since in the comic he just goes straight for mark and debbie home which is a location nolan would include in his instructions
So true! I didn't even catch that!
Is that really a big problem?
@@scrapanimation3813 no but small mistakes like this tend to add up
@@21_315 this one cannot add up anymore, it was just a thing that happens for a moment before the plot continues
@@scrapanimation3813 if you can't expect a story to make any kind of sense, constantly making mistakes throughout building up like a cancer then you might as well just watch colors flash on a screen. too much of anything no matter how small the quantity can and will kill you.
Kate wasn’t revived by Cecil, the Kate you see at the Immortals cabin is her original copy, all the other Kate’s we see in the show are just a copy of the original which hid away in safety. Her and Rex’s survival makes sense, though Rae probably didn’t need to survive as well.
Rae surviving really took alot out of the scene. It was a perfect way to kill a character and they just had her survive, not even in the comics does that happen.
@@azrael557fr and it makes no sense that she survives after bein soffocated then chewed and then after the head of the guy is blown up by rex
Rae got me, like she was ultimate side character
Also that char died in comics in that situation
@azrael557 I also like that it's a visual counterargument for the knucledraggers that say "why didn't ant man just go inside Thanos"... because exactly what we just saw would happen
@@azrael557HOWEVER, she's pretty- SO I'm not angry
I think the issues with the show are similar to the issues in the comics. It's safe to say Kirkman has definitely learned how to pace and develop characters more, but he still has issues with WHAT to pace faster or slower, or WHAT to explain details on as to why things happen so fast, why or how characters know the information they do or make the mistakes they do.
Still feel like it was a bit more fleshed out in the comic. Like, sure it was spread too thin sometimes but ultimately it helped with making a world its own thing with how it was constantly moving (or maybe I just don't get it from the show). Although, in the show more time's spend on main characters but it doesn't feel like it's progressing really. Like, we get additional scenes in which heroes talk about their feelings and thoughts but it feels like it leads to the same results. What the comics was doing with fewer words and scenes, the show achieves with longer dialogues and scenes.
In defence of Kirkman, imagine comics was pushing Imagine universe in which Kirkman had to come up with ideas how to advertise other comics, characters and connect them to show that they are Sam's universe.
*universe where someone can change atoms on a molecular scale* “the way they travel in space is so unrealistic!”
@@spechurchill is more so the fact that they show character wearing space suits some times but other times don't
@@ArcTrooper269well that depends on if they can breathe or not, eve needed a suit in the sequid episode because she cannot breathe, while mark needed one on his trip to mars because the amount of time the trip was originally going to last exceeded the amount of time mark can hold his breath
@@ArcTrooper269bro this is like if the justice league travel to space and batman is wearing a space suit but superman isn't and complaining about it😭
you can't change atoms on a molecular scale because molecules are larger than atoms huehuehue
Replace "unrealistic" with "inconsistent," I think that's really the issue that's being got at here
Saying that they"fixed" Amber is putting it lightly, they basically body-swapped her brain for someone else's.
At this point they could reveal that she's another robot clone and it wouldn't even be out of place.
People (especially teenage women) are just like that bro. We aren't well written characters with consistent characterizations LOL
Sometimes they are completely irrational wrecks. Sometimes they are kindest, thoughtful and supremely generous.
It's not that complicated
i think they went a little overboard (and season 1 finale last scene with amber getting back with mark is ???) but overall i wanted amber to tone down and act like a normal person. I think they spent too much time on them but the direction they took was good
@@Thane3999that’s such an irrational justification by that baseline, consistency never matters because we are subjective beings. we are a subjective species but never will such a drastic change happen without a predicated belief or idea that pushes for that change. simple. dynamic characters don’t just fluctuate off no proper and efficient basis
@king.olympus7639 I think that the "basis" you're looking for is the fact that in the season 1 finale, she watched mark being almost killed on tv, that is the kind of thing that would humble and make more mature a slightly annoying and selfish teenager ( cause that's what she was, despite the fanbase painting her as some kind of irredeemable monster)
This is so stupid. Amber saw Mark get brutally beaten and almost killed by his own father. Of course her perspective would change. She realizes it's not just some fun ego project he has, he's actually risking his life for others, and that's reflected in her characterization.
Lol bro, it's not @12:30 it's not a plot hole, there's a mole on talescria
I’m guessing this guy hasn’t read any of the comics lol
@@MOTIFKEEMRIGHTT LMFAOO
@@MOTIFKEEMthis isn’t even a comics thing either they literally mention in the show there’s a mole in the coalition
@@MOTIFKEEMand? the comics were not prefect either there are plenty of plot holes
@@DermotBrophy ok but we’re talking about 12:30 mark .. it’s not a plot hole
Initially, I thought he was wearing a fake beard. I was wrong about that in the comic lore. I thought Viltrumites only grown mustaches, even though I remember seeing Nolan with a beard lol. Now I know that they can. So, whoever I got that info from was completely wrong on that one. That's why it pays to read the source material, ladies and gentlemen.
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@@LUMOSHROOMthis isn’t true. It’s actually a thing in the comics. Only viltrumites are strong enough to rip all that hair out without feeling pain so it’s used sometimes as an identifier. No I’m not joking. Also most of your issues with the show are just bc of the comics
@@noahmartin2130 I think it's still an issue for the show, since the original author is working on it and doesn't do anything to fix plot holes and other pre-existent problems. No explanations, no nothing.
Viltrumites can grow a full beard but it's a viltrumite fashion symbol for the grown men to have mustaches, it's has nothing to do with their physiology
Invincible is a completely separate series from the comics.
If you need to read external media to get context to something then maybe somethings off
So many things wrong with these nit picks. Half of it is explained later on, building up to later story arcs. The fact that you like eve’s dad is insane too.
Shapesmith is different because he’s an alien that doesn’t understand human civilization? If you don’t find the humor funny that’s fine, most of. Wasn’t funny to me either but he’s a fish out of water trying to act like he knows what he’s doing.
Immortal listens to mark because he realized mark is right, mark is faster and stronger so him taking the device makes sense.
Also brother, you’re watching a superhero show… villains escape… how many times has Batman fought the joker, bane, penguin, etc. how many times has Spider-Man fought sandman, green goblin, Doc ock.
Nitpicking every convenience is so annoying. So many great shows have conveniences. So many stories wouldn’t see a page if you had to explain why two characters were at the same place at the same time. Breaking bad, oh so Walt just conveniently sits in on a drug bust on his former student? Oh no guess it’s a horrible show.
Kate, a shape shifter, had a backup just in case? Damn that’s mind blowing. You’d probably complain if she did die for real saying that you would’ve had a backup just in case if it were you
1. Immortal listening to Mark is the right decision, but the show acts like it had so much buildup and that Invincible and Immortal had beef when that never happened
2. Invincible is more serious when compared to most Batman media like TV shows so its fine when they escape somehow.
3. Kate surviving makes sense, but is still a stupid decision writing wise because of how much Kate's death was built up
@@flammable1741 Kate's survival is extra damaging since in the whole battle with lizards no one died. At least in the comic it was Ray so at least there was that. But now it looks like in the show where previously death meant a LOT, we had nearly 6 (maybe even more) fakeout deaths in one season.
The problem with Shapesmith is how moronic he is in contrast to every other Martian we see and how it leads to mortal danger of every martian and human on Earth. Just cus he was bored.
Conveniences are everywhere but if the plot is dependent on them, it's the problem. If something important happens when it's VERY unlikely to be if everyone is acting accordingly to themselves, it's not good. Robot being not punished for his new body and the way he caused a BREAK OUT for it to happen, happens if Cecil or other GoG members doesn't care when they absolutely should. It's the problem from the comic but it's show's fault for not doing nothing with it. If Mauler Twins and Angstrom doesn't act like morons (which leads to MANY important plot points for the whole series), the whole conflict is not existent.
@@flammable1741 Immortal had beef with Nolan so he saw Mark as someone who shouldn't be trusted. Invincible isn't more serious than Batman and Spider-Man. The Kate thing happened because of comics and future storylines.
Them breaking up doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have told Amber
All it means is he shouldn’t have dated her. Because her knowing isn’t what put her in danger.
Mark simply being a superhero, and his enemies knowing who he is, puts her in danger. Whether she knows or not.
Shes good now get over the bad writing of season one
Her interaction with Anissa proved her right.
@@thegreatacolyt1277 she wasn’t even bad in season 1. She had a valid reason for being upset. Mark didn’t have a good reason to lie, at that stage of their relationship
Wow, both of you are either so dumb or illiterate, you guys don’t even realize you're arguing over the same thing 😂.
(Do yourself some good go outside and touch grass)
@paigeh7892 No she was, her complaining about Mark missing some meaningless date when she knew that he's a superhero and got his ass kick many times just make her shallow. Additionally, Amber and Mark only dated for a couple of days why would Mark tell Amber that he's a superhero immediately when he hardly knew her? They were not childhood friends like him and Billy, they weren't dating before the series started, not to mention the reason why he didn't tell her was because he didn't want to put her life in danger.
Fair warning eve is the most powerful character, but by the writers admission, the writers arent creative enough to use her properly.
I dont think theyre going to completely change the story from the comic in the way they'd need to in order to fix that issue.
And that sucks so bad, why introduce a character like this except for bragging rights? 😭
@@drfifteenmd7561 you think of a cool character, imploment it, then realize it's too powerful when it's too late to remove them.
@@BeepUKV this could be rectified by either killing them off, writing them off from the story, or actually being creative in the way you write them. i prefer the last option because i personally adore eve's character
@@drfifteenmd7561 just be creative lol
@@drfifteenmd7561 I feel it could also be rectified by including an event where the overpowered character somehow loses their power or has them become more limited, such as a permanent dehabilitating injury, or a situation that leads to overuse of them that makes them fried out or entirely gone from the user's body
This video voiced alot of the issues i had. A few others to add - why didn't Angstrom build his machine quite literally ANYWHERE else in the multiverse, somewhere they wouldn't be bothered within 30 seconds of their machine turning on. He already showed us a barren wastland.
Also mark so easily got home after the vultrimite attack in ep4 and after his fight with angstrom. Both times i thought wow thus is really interesting, we are going to have to explore Mark lost alone, and see how he has to really harden up/ tap into his vultrimite side ti adapt.
Nope. Just as you said. Comvinence. Too many things happen too conviniently just so they can push the story forward.
Same with points of charcaters being OP and then wasted. Common issue with this genre. Characters are shown to have really creative, intersting and poeerful abilities only to do the dumbist thing everytime. Like why does Eve mess about with little purple shields when she could turn all the water in their stomaches to diamond
Angstrom makes absolutely no sense period. He's a super genius with wormhole powers, he could just teleport Mark like he did and then just leave him there to rot, or if he wanted him to suffer, leave him trapped in a different dimension while he murders/tortures everyone that matters to Mark, just to teleport him back to admire his handiwork. Like a portal fistfight against Omni-man's son makes no sense
@@jyrlan2596he literally said he was “softening” him up so he could get the satisfaction of killing him with his own hands just watch the show and stop nit picking fictional super powers, they have to make a story
This can, normally, be waved away with "comic book logic" (shows from Teen Titans to Justic League and beyond gave us similar stuff) but... season one didn't run on it... did it?
Tbh most of this review just seems like a nitpicking party.
was just about to comment this
There are some general things I agree with though.
Like me not carrying at all for amber
Meaning the shows is good but all these little problems are still there (which is good to talk about in your review)
For real.... And a shit ton of his complaints about the show are essentially complaints about the comic because it's being accurate to the comic.
I think you just don't like comic books my guy. It's fine that the viltrumites can navigate space. It's fine that Mark goes to Thraxa. It's fine that alternate Eve doesn't kill alternate Invincible when he paralyzes her. It's a COMIC. BOOK.
Some of it fs, but the show has problems. It’s rushed and too short while also having bad writing in some areas. Amber being the best example. Especially in S1. It’s a great show don’t get me wrong, but that doesn’t mean it has its issues.
I really don't like how much of a backseat the Guardians took this season. The first season had a nice arc of them learning to stop fighting and come together as a team. However the culmination of that arc was them helping save survivors in the wake of the chaos in Chicago; they very clearly hadn't found their footing as a true fighting force capable of replacing the OG Guardians. I was hoping to see them grow even closer this season but outside of Rex, the characters barely do anything.
Immortal and Kate have an incredibly rushed romantic subplot, which was ruined by her fake-out death (why did she wait so long to tell him she was alive? Why does she want people to think she is dead at all?). We get a bit of Rudy learning to fight in the field and embrace the inherent danger of actually living in the world, but its resolved really quickly. Combine that with his Monster Girl subplot, which was just her bitching him out until she finally forgives him, and it just sucks that they reduced a top S1 character so much (also for anyone that reads this that has seen Jujutsu Kaisen, Mechamaru is such a carbon copy of Rudy that it's distracting, not a criticism of Invincible of course but Gege has to have read the comics).
Shapesmith sucks as you said; he isn't funny and he gets off way too easily for what he did. Bulletproof gets absolutely zero characterisation outside of that one rant he has, a rant I didn't even like because it just emphasised how little growth we were getting for the team. Shrinking Rae's "death" was a horrific and very interesting scene but undoing was such a slap in the face; maybe the character is important later in the comics and can't die, but either way this gave me such a sour feeling. Black Samson also did absolutely nothing, his only relevance was as a secondary leader with the charisma to assist Rudy but this role is usurped by Immortal. Overall the entire team, again bar Rex, just feels like they were treading water the entire season.
shrinking rae not dying was a show only thing, in the comics she dies in that fight
@@thekrakensdaughter I've seen theorizing that Rae was kept around in order to have her take the place of certain other cameo characters like Spawn that probably won't appear in the television show due to rights issues or Kirkman not wanting all of his properties to be licensed under Amazon.
I felt like this seasons DBZd us. Nobody actually died, it doesn't seem like there's any real consequences. Also, why tf didn't Nolan and andrissa name their damn baby? Why did marks mom have to do it
@@TheAzulmagia for that scenario in which those characters appear in, she would be non factor though, no?
@@thekrakensdaughter he*
12:00 Did the possibility that it might be a fake beard not pop into your head when writing this?
Your nitpicks man. I thought I was a neurotic critic. This is literally just cinemasins tier critique.
Ain't no way bro calls Eve's nasy ass dad a good guy
Eve's dad is a absolute scumbag who only is there to just treat Eve like shit
He doesn't take the hand out not out of wanting to earn it but because he see's Eve like a freak
Can't wait for bro to see the scene with him and Mark
Good character and good person are very different things.
Hon tf do you find a way to defend and even call eves dad a favourite character :0! Gold medal in mental gymnastics my man.
It’s shown how he’s been a stubborn and actively spiteful antagonists to eve since childhood and refusing help from others isn’t a characteristic to take pride in!
He’s bullied his own daughter for being different constantly, like he is comically scummy!
to be fair the likability of the character itself is more than likely not what he meant, more so the subtle writing. Like a "most improvement" award, he went from being bottom two with the guy who fed his son train passengers to dick with a point.
This also might be besides the point but i genuinely think that super powered children in fiction, SHOULD be treated differently. Because they are. And most the time they are very dangerous. Not bullied or else you get a brightburn situation but you can't look at eve's ability to change matter and let her think that it's ok to just DO that without much thought.
Do you understand the difference between thinking a character is well writen vs thinking a character is morally good?
@@kubomagico8853 lotta people would put eve's dad under omniman just because omniman is more likable and that is hilarious and a little upsetting
@ira-jay It's probably because Eve's dad Is a more realistic and comprehensible sort of evil. That a person might have had real experience with. Unlike a massmurdering alien.
@@ira-jay I never really thought that he was wrong about Eve needing to learn to control her power. It's really the WHY of it that I find disgusting. He finds people with superpowers enviable, so he treats them like dangerous freaks. He acts like Eve is this time bomb but she has the ability to do great and good things for the world. She just needed to learn how to best apply them. That's what her character arc is about to me. She's been treated like she's inherently undesirable to normal people, and she has to learn what she CAN do to help.
Also they don't say it, but I definitely think he dislikes the idea of his daughter being able to provide for them easier than he can since he's the man of the family. It's not about controlling her powers as much as it is about HIM having control over the family. What happened at that park only affirmed his prejudices about her.
13:12 the writers aren't rushing. There is a mole in the camp and yes. Viltrumites are extremely good at finding planets.
That's kinda what they do literally. That's literally their whole thing and they have pretty advanced technology to do this.
How did eve's dad know the lot was unstable but not the construction workers? The workers were building right next to it, wouldn't the building also be unstable?
they stopped talking to her after the residents dismissed their complaints to eve
in the newspaper covering the accident
@@drfifteenmd7561 who
@@zenobemullerThe question is why didnt the construction workers know about the unstable ground, not how did Eve’s dad find out
@@azrael557 the random mom that stood up for eve against the worker literally said that the park that was left to rot for years and they never tried to build it so the workers knew but told no one that the park was unstable
finding an actually good analysis of invincible on youtube is nigh impossible, congrats on continuing the trend by misunderstanding almost every single point in season 2, every single character arc in season 2, and every single message it was trying to tell you.
23:48: "why not explain to Mark"
In Angstrom's defense, the device was already active and you could make the argument that Angstrom 2 to 100, remembering the homicidal mass-killer that is Mark, began influencing his decision-making. He comes off as an egotist whose Utopian ideals trump reason. So by this point, he's incapable of thoroughly explaining his plan in full. And realistically, could he even do that while Mauler and Mark were fighting? There's a very realistic chance that Mark doesn't believe him at all and shuts down the machine, possibly ending his plan at best or killing off all the Angstroms at worst. Even if this isn't apparent, the mind-merger was always doomed to fail with how many realities that fell to Mark and the Vultrimite Empire.
Buddy Forsure hasn’t read the comics
if you have to read external media to enjoy something meant to be standalone then its just straight bad buddy
@@melon6507lol "standalone", it's an adaptation of a comic series being produced by the original writer. Just say reading is hard and you don't like the show lol.
@@josephross63 if the adaptation is good no external reading is needed
@@Joanbueller007 there absolutely is no external reading required to enjoy invincible, there is however, external reading requirements for judging the pacing of the show (not talking about release schedules I'm talking about literary pacing) and the fact that there are things that were built up that haven't reached a payoff yet.
@@josephross63So I guess we shouldn't criticize one thing for what is doing now , because it will get better. I mean serial killers kill people......but we shouldn't be so quick to judge. Am I right ,Joseph?
12:56 i believe you made a grevious error here. Allan had just talked with mark saying that viltrumites dont execute their own until fully healed, had just received the info from mark and deliberately wanted to be captured knowing that nolan was held there. "Im here for you man, im here for you"
eve can only tap into her full power in moments of extreme emotional distress like an almost death situation
You mean an almost death situation like mark and omniman killing all of her friends and family and enslaving the world?
@@willharcus110 in the moments she does use it is generally when she actually has a hole in her body or something like that but the atom eve special has she using it in a less extreme situation
What about when Mark literally grabs her throat and is about to snap her neck? Zilch
@@willharcus110 No when eve herself is in immediate life threatening danger.
About Levy, I think confusion and disfigurement was a result of interrupting the machine. I was under the impression that the twins had already ironed out the kinks and, had the process been completed, it would've ended fine for every Angstrom.
I feel like once you get this nitpicky, you either don't like the show or are desperately trying to drag out flaws for a RUclips video.
Nolan: Mark help me, I think the Viltrumites are coming soon.
The Viltrumites: *arrive soon*
This guy: This is just too convenient.
???????
Like wtf was bro yappin about half this video 😂
@@Holyluckdan ikr that's people who think they know everything about the show without reading it and its all going to pay off in season 3 whenever it comes out which is most likely 2030 wont be surprised
I feel like it would be more convenient if the viltrumites came later and gave Mark the time to train that Nolan talked about. It’s literally an INCONVENIENCE to Mark that they arrived as early as they did
fr like i might be wrong but most of this stuff either happened in the original comics (which they can change that's fine, the point isn't staying with the source material) but the Viltrumites have apparently been conquering worlds for a very long time, is it not somewhat believable that they would get really really efficient lol
Lazy is the wrong word I think the better way of putting it is mismanaged it spends a lot of time trying to address the problems with season 1 while foreshadowing future episodes so much that the main story suffers I still really loved this season yes there are more contrivances but overall it’s still a good season the writers weren’t lazy the just got over ambitious and introduced too many things at once
I would’ve personally cut out the martian and lizard league stuff so that they could better focus on it later. Still have shapesmith just have him brought on by Cesil with bulletproof and make it clear they had suspicions something had happened with the mars mission and knew who he was from day 1
Honestly the Lizard league was done really well
33:40
Canonically viltrumites are made of "smart atoms" that can be programmed on a subatomic scale allowing for their impossible durability and FTL travel.
So it would likely be quickly easy to scan for them, especially by their own species.
When Angstrom was in the mind meld machine, he could have portaled Mark out of there.
not while under the effects of the machine.
You guys would hate JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
Lmao
So funny thing for the most part I do lol
Well it's jjba it's already established that u are enemy stand user but not in invincible
the one hero that could dublicate dies and later it turns out that she didnt due to her stashing away another dublicate... and you are supriesed? i would think it was wierd if she did die.
1. William telling mark that he should help possibly innocent aliens whos world is about to get destroyed is not spiteful
2. Theres probably infinite dimensions, each with something different, her unlocking her full potential again would've just happen in another universe
3. The fact that a human survived 2 months without air or sleep is the least concerning thing about invincible
4. When was it said that the lizard league went to prison instead of just escaping before they got caught
5. The one that REALLY shouldn't have survived was ray, the others make sense
6. IIrc they attempted to revive the guardians (didn't work)
I feel like alot of these are nitpicks but alot is vaild
maybe more generations, these guys learn quickly and pass that on, so like we learn something for weeks, they in a day, so they dispite living shorter do have more knowledge
forgive my English
1- You're just warping that so it sounds a lot worse. Its a misguided and frankly stupid thing for William to say. I'm willing to accept it isn't exactly 'spiteful' but it wasn't a really good thing for him to be condoning.
2- Whats that supposed to mean? A logical and invalid inconsistency isn't valid because it 'probably' happened in some universe which we never see?
3- Doesn't make it not a problem. You can't just defend a glaring issue by saying 'there's more important things.' Plus, it IS an important thing. The Sequids have a pretty key role in the series, and just glossing over a perfectly reasonable logical inconsistency is a pretty bad issue in this regard. It could be easily fixed, like maybe the Sequids provide nutrients or condition the brain in some sort of state where the astronaut can survive, but I'm not going to do the shows writing for it.
4- It isn't said, but thats just one case. What about the cannon guy? The lizard league took a severe beatdown anyway, and sure, its possible they escaped before going to prison... but why not show that? Its a weird illogical jump that no one would instantly come to, and even if we forget this particular instance the main issue is still strong and present.
5- I think the maker of the video was talking how they shouldn't have survived from a logical standpoint, not a narrative one. This is largely a point I disagree with on both fronts. I think generally everyone agrees that Ray should have died from both a logical and narrative standpoint, but the real issue arises in Kate and partially Rex. Rex, while his survival doesn't work that well logically, is great narratively, as it grows his character and he's still quite important to the story. Kate's survival works more LOGICALLY however, as it would be common sense for someone of her powers to have a backup hidden away somewhere. Narratively, it CAN work, but it comes off as silly and removes a lot of the weight from the lizard league butchering scene.
6- Yes, but not in this way, or so we know. Of course they would attempt to revive the guardians, no one argues against that, but the problem arises when we remember how the GDA replaced 98% of Donald with robotic parts, around THIRTY TIMES. The brains of several of the guardains are intact, all of which more so than Donald's would have been after that explosion, or being crushed, or the other explosion, so it doesn't really make sense that the guardians couldn't have been replaced in the same way. Excuses CAN be made, like maybe they were dead for too long, or maybe their powers relating to their body couldn't be replicated (though this doesn't really work because reviving them would still be necessary, even if it meant losing the powers) but the show doesn't provide these, and its not our job to fill in the gaps.
@@LeanBeansOSC 1- Wasn't the whole point of William saying that because asteroids was coming to the aliens planet? William telling Mark to help them would, in his mind be possibly saving innocents. He compared the situation to Rick's because that's what happened the last time Mark didn't help someone.
2- Maybe it would make more sense, but it doesn't need to happen considering it's a different dimension with different events. Plus that scene was one of many focusing on all the evil stuff Mark did, why would it show Eve unlocking her full potential again?
3- "Maybe the Sequids provides nutrients or condition where the brain in some sort of state where the astronaut can survive" I was just about to say that before I read the full comment, but that's what I thought happened, I just thought the Sequids was keeping him alive. And I said "there's more important things" because the show is about literal aliens who look exactly like us and speak our language. Like someone surviving on mars in a world filled of superhumans and aliens is the least concerning thing. Pointing out how that's unrealistic but saying nothing about humanoid aliens is strange.
4- Iirc they didn't show them going to prison either.
5. I agree with this
6. I agree with this too
@@Vejoice 1- I understand why he said it and its connection to himself, yet it is still a misguided and reckless thing to ask of Mark.
2- We still don't see it, and its only a small part of the problem, which is the weird inconsitencies with Eve's powers. We never see her full potential unlocked in any universe, which is a flaw and problem. Could be a really cool alternate universe tbh.
3-Again, it doesn't make it less of a problem. Having 'humanoid aliens' isn't the same, as that doesn't have a flaw in logic. A human somehow surviving while being deprived of essential needs without any explaination is a plot hole through and through, while 'alien humanoids' doesn't defy any logic we know and is feasable.
@@LeanBeansOSC 3- You could say alot of things are a problem. Fish people? Unrealistic. Godzilla sized monsters? Unrealistic. Curses which make you younger? Unrealistic. Donald surviving after being exploded would be unrealistic as well. My point is that there is so much unrealistic stuff that that point just seems weird to me.
33:11 Yes it does. Sound travels better in water then air. Scubadivers with rebreathers talk underwater to eachother all the time
As someone who read the comics because they were taking too long to bring season 2, they aren’t really rushing the story. So far everything is aligning and there’ll be some changes here and there but it’ll still happen
Most of this video was ok but still reaching. Only real disappointing this was the lack of improved animation.
Would rather have bad animation with a good story than good animation with a bad story
@@GiggyWiggy2086 I mean it is possible to have both
this feels like a slow season that definitely couldve been managed better but i think it was fine enough to put i guess the "smaller and earthly" conflicts down in preparation of the rest of the show cuz it gets pretty big afterwards in terms of scale esp now the viltrumite problem starting to build
The worst thing about invincible season 2 is the mid season break that lasted forever 😢
Yeah ngl that really hurt the show a lot because of Amazon fuckin over everyone
commenting from 18:15 but Eve's power isn't about inorganic material just sentient material i.e. plants and animals, I can see how that could be confused but that's how her mental block is a failsafe and really only comes undone in moments of extremely near-death
Honestly I bet the writers hearing how much you hate amber is a win for them. She’s not a bad character, she’s written to make you pissed off.
12:02 - this could be explained w/ characters going to different locations, like Allen coulda went to different planets before going to therestria(no idea how to spell that)
The fact that they reduced the Omnipotus arc, one of THE BEST ARCS FROM THE OG COMIC & one of the most important stories for the character arcs of Robot & Tech Jacket to a pathethic 10 seconds punchline was by far why I hated the most about this season
The whole point of that arc is to show that with or without Mark, the world is ALWAYS in danger & always needs to be protected
In the show instead they only TOLD YOU the fight was hard, but it has no impact because its all told instead of shown, like, SHOW, DON'T TELL
ABSOLUTELY agree about the tonal whiplash at the Angstrom fight. It was incredibly hard to watch/enjoy little fun references to other series while Debbie gets her arm broken and Oliver cries so hard that I don't even want to know what they did to get that recording of getting a baby to cry like it was in distress.
Honestly the astronaut having a sequid that wasn’t detected by anything the GDA had is real stupid
29:31 The Lore reason for this is because the uhhh, y’know, of a Viltrumite is part of their weird genetic modification and acts like a parasite
18:40 she can actually change people or animals but only in the event of her breaking her limiter. It happens a few times when she's close to death and in the atom eve special (probably as a way to show the audience it's possible so that it doesn't feel like an ass pull later on).
With the Martian, it actually makes sense that they let him stay. They probably wanted a new Martian in the new Guardians after what happened with Omniman. They were probably hoping that he would take up the new mantle
Amber is Marks' last tie to try normalcy.
It's crazy to me to see people, apparently you included, act like Amber is a horrible character or something when she's just like a realistically written person with pretty reasonable reactions even if they aren't necessarily morally correct, that doesn't make her badly written character. And like I don't understand why people think that her being upset about him hiding his identity from her is that crazy. Secrets in relationships are bad.
Amazon should’ve quadrupled the invincible budget. It’s a very low ass budget
This video is like when I watch the Super Bowl and say, “I totally would of caught that”
I don't understand your complaints about the Angstrom subplot converging with the Mark subplot at the christmas tree machine. Your complaint is "if the subplots went differently they wouldn't have converged" but that's the point of subplot convergence.
You can complain the subplots had to make small contrivances to converge the way they did but your examples of contrivances are easily explained and feel like natural plot progressions. It's almost like you wanted the subplots to not converge at all but then there wouldn't even be a story.
To be more specific, a lot of examples are explained when you consider Angstrom's only superpower is multiverse hopping. Otherwise he's a completely normal human with human limitations and a human lifespan. He doesn't have the time or resources to do all the things he wants to do in his short lifetime, so he takes this shortcut with the Maulers. On that note, the Maulers are both the only choice he has access to and a terrible choice. They're egotistical narcissistic supergeniuses with low wisdom, who believe themselves infallible and omnipotent.
34:26 this guy actually is slow and did not absolutely ABSOLUTELY DID NOT read the comics and what lazying writing the only thing i see is lazy is you ranting about stupid shit and season 2 is good if not better then season 1
The nitpick on the cecil bots with not using them to revive the guardians could easily be explained with it being sinclair's expertise making it possible, as Cecil only picked him up after the Guardian's deaths.
33:36
The Viltrumites knew where Mark was
Because they already knew where Earth was
Because they're the reasons why Nolan was on Earth
How is this a plothole?
My mistake. Anissa only had the entire planet of Earth to search. I forgot how easy that was for aliens with no comprehension of English or human geography and who do not know what Mark looks like.
@@LUMOSHROOM There were several Viltrumites who saw what Mark looked like ,including thier leader, while on the Thraxan planet. Or hell, they probably could have just pressed the information from Nolan himself about where he and Mark lived, and then superspeed flew around until she found the place. Also, speaking of said super-speed flight, its not like Annisa couldn't have scouted out for countries and places that looked right.
Also also. Clearly the aliens have a comprehension of English because all the aliens have been speaking English.
There is SEVERAL reasonable answers here that could answer why this SUPER HIGH TECH ALIEN RACE could figure out where Mark is. Hell, for all we know they could have been monitoring Earth for as long as Nolan had been there
@@LUMOSHROOMThey do know what he looks like. When Allen goes back to the Coalition of Planets Headquarters, they have already have photos of Mark as Invincible. It makes a lot of sense that a Species as Intelligent and Advanced as the Viltrumites would have a higher degree of surveillance Technology. Not to mention, its seems like Anissa was already watching Mark for a while based off of the fact that she knew he was Invincible.
Wasnt there a writers strike going on when Invincible was being made?
32:30 donald had his brain compeletly intact which is why he can be a robot constantly despite exploding to death several times somehow while none of the guardians had their brain intact beacuse omni-man smashed their head except immortal
Imagine not having a sense of hubris to not discern whyba martian alien doesnt have the humor of a regular human. Who let this man cook 😂
Shapesmith isn't being funny on purpose. He's a fish out of water character and his comedic value is supposed to come from how poorly-adjusted he is to human norms. The writers were trying to be funny through him; but the jokes are lame and don't align with how the show portrays other Martians.
Rex is funnier than him. Allen is funnier than him. Even the Lizard League is funnier than Shapesmith.
@@LUMOSHROOM reading and viewing comprehension is skew because you still refuse to see the* point even tho you just reinforced it 😂. He wouldn't have "worldy" comedy... Do you get it now?
Literally... And then the Kevin spacey edits in between..............
@@LUMOSHROOM Nah let him cook, did either of you actually laugh at ShapSmith’s jokes. 🤨
It's not the fact that he's not using conventional humor, it's just the fact that he's unfunny and he is an annoying example of a poorly written Millstone archetype character.
alot of this criticism is just the concept of cause and effect in narrative storytelling. "if mark hadn't made this choice at this point in the show then Armstrong wouldn't know who he was" yes, that's how narratives work. very silly.
12:16 - Viltrumite hair is not made of smart atoms, but their skin is, which is why the Toolock Pull (Thaedus ripping his beard out) does not damage their invulnerable skin but does pull out their hair.
If their hair were invulnerable they would have no way to shave and the iconic mustache that every Viltrumite male has would be impossible
The reason they didn’t bring the guardians back is probably due to the powers not being present and that being a dead set reason for them to find out they are a robot like Donald wondering if they thought of that or just we’re lazy
The "you are gay" made me laugh my lung out 0:17
Excellent video breakdown, I loved it! But, there's one correction I'd like to give you since you have given a slightly wrong understanding on Anstrom.
22:22 Slight correction. He went after the main character because he had experienced evil Marks in other dimensions. And, these evil Marks killed many people. So, your statement that he attacked Mark "for no good reason" is slightly false.
19:08 Eve also morally can't change people or animals the chip was probably there for extra measure until she broke it
What's with Kevin Spacey clips?
I feel a general understanding throughout this conversation that you should avoid getting mad over "nitpicks" when a show isnt fully developed. We are aproaching the part of invincible that is most remembered for and is appreciated. So many aspects of this show are setting up things for the future. Keep in mind that most changes made in the show are things robert kirkman wished he did in the comics.
This season is like Breaking Bad Season 2. Breaking Bad season 2 did not have a lot of huge moments but it did set up important plot points and characters, and character motivations.
@@petermj1098 great comparison
18:48 does it just not rain in Yemen?
Bro how do u enjoy anything with this level of nitpicking
There is no good without the bad.
@@LUMOSHROOM I guess so man
While I do definitely agree that the season would have benefited pretty tremendously from a few more episodes and definitely rushed the plot along, a lot of these arguments seem more like nitpicks you're expecting us to take as objective truths. Here are some of the points you made that I have counters for:
Mark overcorrecting due to his feelings of self-doubt and wanting to prove to himself and to everyone else that he's not his dad by abandoning his post on Earth when he believes that an entire planet needs his help is not a "convenience" to the plot. It's actually a very effective way of showing how his declining mental status allows for others to take advantage of him.
Intergalactic travel inconsistencies is not a "convenience." Viltrumites are already shown at this point to be exceedingly capable of intergalactic travel due to them having perfected it millennia ago. Same goes for their tracking skills, this is like saying it's a convenience that a wolf "just happened" to be able to find its prey because its nose "conveniently" lead it to said prey.
Eve's entire *character* is how she's afraid of overexerting her own abilities due to the consequences they can have. You even bring this up outright in the "good" section. This seems like a double standard you have if "Eve overextending her powers and then seeing the consequences for it first-hand" is a good thing, but then "Eve becoming cautious and scared of her abilities and/or not being able to think of better ways to utilize her abilities during the heat of battle" is a bad thing.
Angstrom choosing to "merge my knowledge with all other versions of myself" isn't a convenience at all, and failing to acknowledge that makes me feel as though you've been failing to actually critically analyze these characters. The Maulers call him out on this explicitly at the start of the season by pointing out how he can just talk to his alternates, which he dismisses because he is, in fact, the egotistical megalomaniac that he shows himself to be later on in the season. He didn't care about resolving all of the world's problems, he cared about everyone knowing that it was him and only him who resolved all the world's problems. He makes this pretty explicit during his fight at the end of the season as well where he insists that he's "trying to save the world" to Debbie. His own hypocrisy is explicitly stated to the viewers. If we weren't supposed to consider this as a factor, they wouldn't have very explicitly told it to us in dialogue. That's pretty much the basis of Chekov's gun: The question of "why merge all of your alternates' knowledge into you instead of just talking to them" is planted in the first episode, and it pays off in the last episode with "because underneath his cheery exterior before the accident, Angstrom is a self-absorbed narcissist along the same lines as Reverse Flash and Lex Luthor."
Usually I wouldn't throw this card, but your argument about the Lizard League is completely senseless when you remember that this is, in fact, a superhero show. You're shocked that the Lizard League keeps "escaping prison?" Why bring your own convenience of "they went to prison off screen" in the first place? King Lizard having returned from prison doesn't imply that the Lizard League went to prison and then escaped off-screen between the shapesmith introduction and the end of the episode, it implies that they retreated and escaped. We're both told during the first season and shown during the second season that the lizard league isn't considered to be a serious threat by anyone, including Cecil. Those points lay the ground both for them flying under Cecil's radar when they actually DO become a threat during Season 2, *and* give probable cause for how King Lizard was able to escape prison in the first place, being that he wasn't considered a big enough threat to be detained with other supers like the Maulers.
The way that Duplikate survived is stated pretty explicitly in the show itself. The first thing that she says to Immortal when he enters his cottage is that she "always kept an extra hidden away just in case." They go into this more explicitly later on in the comics and I imagine that MultiPaul's fight in Season 3 will also go into more detail on this.
The discussion of genetic similarity is clarified in Season One. Viltrumites can presumably reproduce with *most* species, with the reason that Nolan gives being that "viltrumite DNA is [...] pure." That in and of itself is a convenience, yes, but this is fiction. When I am told that a species in fiction can reproduce with most morphologically similar species because "their DNA is pure," I'm not going to argue and say "but what does that mean," I'm going to say "Oh yeah, okay, sure. They can produce offspring with other species because their DNA is pure, we'll go with that."
The argument about Oxygen on the martian ship doesn't make much sense when you then argue that Livingston should have been dead from a lack of sleep. If the sequids needed to keep him alive and couldn't just puppet a corpse, that means that they would have had the martians fill their ship with a human-breathable atmosphere. Likewise, Martians wearing suits in their military ships isn't a convenience either. If you know that you're going toe-to-toe with an enemy who could depressurize your ship, why would you not wear your suit inside said ship so that you can survive if it's destroyed?
Finally, I propose a general catch-all for Cecil being less competent this season, which is simply because, without Nolan or well-trained guardians, the GDA are stretching themselves exceedingly thin and have to make less-calculated risks simply due to them not having any other options. Again, this is not something that I'm just pulling out of my behind here, this is pretty explicitly shown in Season 2 when Mark returns from space, the other heroes of the invincible universe are in limited supply and high demand from the GDA, which adds to the reasons why Cecil is angry at Mark for running off. Whether or not you can argue within reason that this is lazy or contrived... yeah, it is, sure. However, the point of any given scene in this show is to forward the plot. The storyline is being rushed, they're not settling for filler content. If a cutaway scene shows that the guardians are overworking themselves along with other heroes, the reason for that scene existing in the first place is to tell the viewers just that.
Now with all of that said, I want to clarify that you *do* make a lot of good points in this video. I just think that you supplemented them with a lot of not-so-good points, which I feel detracts from the video. The Angstrom and DupliKate arguments in particular, I felt detracted from the video pretty drastically simply because they were mistakes, possibly written while watching the season for the first time and not corrected later on when putting this video together. You have a pretty solid format and are clearly talented at editing, I think you'd just benefit from re-reviewing your scripts a little bit to ensure that you're getting things right.
You clearly haven’t read the comic. But there is a reason why Amber couldn’t stop Mark in other dimensions. Also keep in mind in most dimension Amber likely has some sort of existing relationship with Mark. So it would make sense that she wouldn’t go into God mode to stop him.
In the Special the people she did this to were her abusers. And she had enough. Mark likely was not seen the same way by other versions of Eve.
Regarding Angstrom. I disagree. He was an amazing villain. I think showing him too much would have taken away from him.
The finale wasn’t so much about a fist battle. It was the stakes of Angstrom having the ability to kill Mark’s family but not being able to stop him due to his dimensional portals. You don’t fear for Mark’s life but the life of those around him.
Angstrom motives don’t make sense. But he’s also insane and his mind is scrambled. So that make sense
About the villains. Yes many continue to show up. But isn’t this what happens with Batman and Superman or Spiderman villains? They escape constantly. Sometimes they show the escapes and sometimes they’re just “out”. It’s a common superhero trope. Not worth nitpicking to be honest
Also Invincile is a super hero show. It’s not a deconstruction show either. It’s meant to embrace the fun and silliness of the genre. It’s not meant to try to be realistic. So space travel, or time it takes to get places. That’s all stuff you don’t need to think about. It’s just meant to be fun
This is a show, not a comic. And it doesn't stick to comic lore anyway. If you have to say "read the comics," you've failed at making a good show.
D..do you mean Eve?
silly question... what is he referencing with the "convenience" clip memes? it looks really familiar but idk what show it is
I have only to see all the comments still bitching about Amber to know I should skip this video.
i have only to see people still complaining about this terrible writing decision and how the show tried to force perspective so you would think it’s not bad to know i should skip this video
@@tinygrove7623 What prospective was being forced?
@@Dru2037 everyone character takes amber side and mark gets shit on for things unrelated to the break up, the show is trying to point a finger at mark and say “marks is bad and he needs to change because he is responsible for bad things” examples of this is William talking about marks grades when he’s stressed with super hero life, amber and school, he needs some emotional support and william does fuck all to help him, and the show doesn’t really paint him as a bad friend so clearly we are meant to take his side that marks needs to just “deal with it”
Amber was course corrected so hard she genuinely feels like two different characters honestly
You're absolutely right.
But short of knocking on the fourth wall to admit how badly they screwed up, I think that course correction was their best option.
Great video! just wanted to add that when you say "the writers" you're actually just referring to the comic writers that wrote the comics in late 2000's since the show is a very close adaptation to the comics, actually most of the criticisms you brought up are arguably worse IN the comics since the show writers have actually done some improvement over them (aside from amber). Also as a comic reader, It was really inevitable that this season would be worse than S1, and IMO the WEAKEST season of the show since this had the slowest and most unsatisfying part of the comic's run. But trust me you really do need to stick around since they're only scratching the surface. S3 and S4 are gonna be fucking AMAZING.
Shut the hell up this was not a good video
Im curious about Shrinking Ray 's future role in the show, is she going to replace one of the new characters? In the comic she is actually a man and dies in the lizards league attack.
Your point at the end, and main through-line, is why I personally hated the comic-con scene. The season fumbled so many arcs due to time constraints but found time for a long / unimportant scene that you can cut entirely and miss nothing. To make matters worse, the whole point of the season 2 announcement trailer with Mark and Allan eating burgers was to explain how time consuming the animation process is. Instead of that wasted 5 minutes at comic-con, how about we give those to Nolan, who was sidelined to an egregious level this season.
Some of these are real issues, others you’re really reaching and nitpicking
The Angstrom Levy argument.... bro just wait for Season 3, please. His whole character is based off of villains who are petty and evil to heroes for trivial reasons. (I can't spoil why the reason is simple)
Fr it's obvious that it's building up to a pay off but this guy is such a hating simpleton that he's too blind to see it lmao
It's annoying when Invincible fans keep saying "Just wait for next season thats when this boring or under developed charcter will become intresting" It's like playing a game and someone says "Don't worry after 20 hours the story starts to get good."
@@3lle272 it takes time to build up characters and plots. If you cant deal with character and plot development that runs through a SERIES then watch something episodic instead of nitpicking
@@waffleiron8625 Don't know how you arrived to that conclusion. I love Charcter Development in a series especially when it's done well. But come on,Angstrom Levy, at least this season, felt more like a plot device rather then a charcter. He was more there to help develop Mark's Charcter. Kirkman himself even confirmed this. I actually liked this charcter and was sad we didn't see much of him.
But hey maybe your right. Maybe I'll go watch other shows like Vox Machina. A show that actually knows how to properly develop a charcter, be it for a season or just one episode.
at 6:06, what was the show in the bottom right?
Castlevania
This is minor but how can a species that lives for 1 earth year have unlocked interstellar space travel while the majority of the human race probably doesn't even know that is possible?
Fictional tv show
That's how
Watch the show and they literally explain time works faster on the alien planet
In the comic, it said that they can pass on knowledge genetically
They live for each other and their society rather than themselves
Bro you do know that viltrumites can make kids with ANYTHING, RIGHT??!!! Read the comics bro
This guy just hates on shit. Be thankful we get shows as cool as invincible and movies as good as the Batman.
Ikr people complain about shows being shit but when good shows mess up a little they are as bad as she-hulk according to these troglodytes
we could've had a batman beyond movie animated like spiderverse
This comment 💀🙏
Y'all are the real crybabies just ignore the video not everyone is going to like what you like 😂😂
@@violet_7808 yeah I like good shows they like shit we're not the same
One of your favorite characters was eve’s dad, I no longer need to watch I know where this is going
Wait what the fuck? Dudes so unsupportive to his own daughter, even called her weird before powers, and works a job that does not care about him. What about him is likable. His stubbornness doesn’t make it him interesting. It makes his anger and sense of value meaningless and void of logic.
Something that really bothers me this season is how Mark hasn't gotten at all stronger. Sure, we're told he is, but it feels like he just loses over and over again. On Thraxa, he somehow puts up with actual Viltrumites, and once he's told by his dad to "Fight like a Viltrumite", he even manages to KILL one. It's absolutely mind boggling how the power scaling seems to be so convenient every single time. I'm fine with an opponent somehow turning out to be somewhat stronger or outsmarting the protagonist, but seeing Angstrom Levy actually not be INSTANTLY killed after he threatens Mark's family is wild. Mark's reaction times, strength, speed, all just seem random and depend entirely on how the writers feel that day. I get it, he's young, doesn't have much experience, and he still needs to go through a character arc, but we are 2 seasons in. He already did training with his father, took on countless opponents, was beaten to death and back by Nolan, fought and won against ACTUAL VILTRUMITE SOLDIERS, and we're supposed to believe that he somehow falls short against a random guy with a big brain? There's no amount of genetic editing that can put him on Mark's current level. It just feels we're literally right where we started. I don't want Dragonball-type power issues, where characters in the first arcs are threats to the entire universe, but Mark should've been far stronger than what we're being shown.
Mark is literally still new to his powers compared to other Viltrumites. He mentally tells himself to hold back because he doesn't want to kill anyone. How you don't get that obvious aspect of his character is just insane...
Mark is holding back even when fighting angstrom… he is still as powerful as ever
Eh, that’s not really a writing problem. That’s a personal suspension of disbelief issue
They’ve well established how technology, magic, and genetic engineering can make you a top tier in this world.
Like the reanimen, and Allen, and the immortal
Angstrom being strong enough to give mark trouble isn’t a inconsistency.
It’s because marks always holding back and anisa is simply extremely strong did you not watch the show?
Mark has not killed any Viltrumites yet. Even on Thraxa he lost that fight from holding back.
29:15 "Viltrumite rules on interbreeding" I might be misremembering this but theres no such rule in the comics.If anything it would fit with the whole Vilturmite superiority angle as they would never breed with a weaker species (and also plays into the later story arcs)so I dont know why thats even a thing
You complaining about the mauler twins and amgstrum..... Omg... this video is pain on not going to lie. I enjoyed this season. I complain about LOTS of stuff in plenty of shows. But i feel like bro was watching this season literally writing down his disappointments and the details in them as they were happening to get this sweet sweet video out. Edit: just looked at your channel, makes sense. Common hate tuber activitys. Not subbing but have a good day
The season was poor on a lot of points including the Angstrom setup, there is plenty to complain about not working.
Yeah, some point just flat out don't make sense in my opinion.
He criticizes Eve for not going god mode more often when that only unlocked when she was extremely damaged.
It legit feels like bro wrote down his thoughts and then just didn't alter them when he learned they were wrong, that, or he just didn't pay attention.
19:21 Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of 'this variant is really nerfed.' I wasn't even considering her peak moment in the OVA, just her base form should be able to harm invincible, unless the evil variant is that well-versed in Viltrumite strength.
Any review that hyperfixates on hating Amber is certainly undermined in my view. So I don't think anyone was wrong for pointing it out. It's a cartoon, but you guys get upset with her like she's a real person that's actually hurt someone. There have been plenty of nagging or annoying girlfriends or just general female characters who don't get this same kind of hate. We're going to pretend this isn't some type of hate you guys have for certain people that you would be projecting onto her? You're literally willing to redeem a murderer but the girl that didn't like being lied to, oh no that's too much.
It’s because her character is annoying and hardly provides any actual entertainment value. Omni Man is the complete opposite, hes a great character, and hella memeable.
We all know why people really have an issue with her
@@Peoplebeingpeople1quit it with the victim mentality my guy🤷🏾♂️
@@taylorgordon2570 nah it’s just true people had an issue with her from the get go.
he spent like 2 minutes talking about her, and half of it was positive. how is that hyperfixating lol
33:29. I bet they could find nolan too if he were on earth why not mark?
They surely know where he was posted and know he abandoned said post.
Even Allen would find him given enough time and narrowing it to USA.
Look for Mark for a few months maybe at the speed to move quickly in space and you can find him.
"Thou Shalt Not Get Side-Tracked By Bullshit Every Time"-Some Fallout Player
13:00 to be fair, Anissa AND Allen were both sent to earth and likely on the same trajectory since telescria was the next destination
The Boys and Invincible both struggle from being weighed down by love plots that the writers seem to think are imperative to audience enjoyment. Bottom line, a love story needs to be pretty novel in order to justify being up against all the other scenes in an inverted superhero movie
The Mandory Romance Subplot has been the bane of all media for the past hundred years.
Did we watch the same show?
This whole video could have been avoided if you just paid fucking attention to the show