@The Verge: Apple doesn't use "Micro LED" (9:07) on the MacBook Pro and iPad Pro. It uses Mini LED - a small but important distinction. "Words have meanings." - Nilay Patel (March 17, 2022)
I usually don't comment videos, but I loved this type of review, really going for the target audience of the product, well scripted. Congrats to all the team involved in this, specially Monica who amazes me as a reviewer on every single piece. If the algorithm is telling you to do shorter videos instead of this, please ignore it!
Have to agree, and I'm not even a Mac user. Yet.... I think the multiple viewpoints added a lot, and the benchmarks weren't dwelled upon. Great work Verge team!
@@Harvester88 probably not on a Mac, unfortunately, but maybe that’s all about to change. I think it’s just a matter of practice on fine tuning the mouse. If he’s been using macs since OS9, it’s likely he uses a low DPI setting on the mouse. Back in the day, CRT iMacs used to come stock with really really low DPI settings out of the box. In my old digital and photo digital imaging classes, these were always set really low and it helps a lot.
I was very impressed with the thoroughness of this review. 10/10 for delivering an exceptional review covering all the bases and also considering so many workflows and people's opinions. And wow. That camera situation? The way it was presented with all those other Apple cameras was impressive. Not to mention the seamless audio comparison. Well done team.
Thoroughness? You may be right with everything else except the GPU part. 1. It is proved that Geekbench Compute doesn’t ramp up apple silicon soon enough before it completes the benchmark. 2. Gaming is neither advertised nor considered by Apple for comparing it with a 3090 because they know very few, if any AAA games are optimised for Apple silicon and all of them including Tomb Raider are running through Rosetta. There were absolutely no real world professional use case comparison with a 3090.
The Python test really depends on what you did in Python since a majority of tasks will be single threaded and you won’t see a benefit from extra cores.
There's no way that display should sell for $1599. If the 27" iMac were still around, it'd be about time for it to get HDR and high refresh rate at the same starting price.
No High refresh is probably not Apples fault tho. 5K is literally almost TWICE the resolution of 4K. Not just a bit more. And since Apple wants stuff to be simple and use Thunderbolt for that - the currently can't do that because TB4 simply does not support 5K at 120Hz.
They’re selling a product that you can’t buy anywhere else so there’s that. What company sells a unique product for cheap? That’s basic marketing people.
Well, it’s meant to compete with the LG UltraFine 5K that retails for $1299. You pay a premium for the Thunderbolt connectivity. Also, it has a great webcam built-in. This is also not meant for the average consumer. Someone who has a lot of money and wants the Apple-only aesthetic will love this monitor.
Idk if I'm off base, but it seems like the new Alienware 34" QD-OLED is only $1,300. Why would anyone choose Apple?! QD OLED is a new technology 3 generations beyond the new apple display (LCD > Dimming zones > OLED > QD OLED). I'm perplexed.
The reason you got almost identical results on the scientific test is python, unless explicitly coded otherwise, will only use 1 thread. So essentially what you tested is the new chip in single core performance for a real world application. It's good to know the single core performance is better on the new chip (I suspect cooling has a lot to do with that result), but ideally you could complement it with a multicore workload for future reviews, you can do that using Numba if you chose to run python or some other language that is more oftenly used for multicore workloads (Such as Java or C++) :) PS: I'd be happy to share a basic Numba script you could try out :D
Hi! We ran the npbench Python test, which supports Numba. (Indeed, we all had to install Numba on various machines.) We'll keep poking at it, there's always a chance we did something wrong.
@@reckless1280 A lot of the people who are in that "really want a 5k display for its resolution @2x" are iOS/macOS engineers. Would love to see input from an indie dev and project compilation times of Swift in Xcode in addition to Python in the future.
@@reckless1280 Using Numba doesn't automatically mean multithreading. I've never seen npbench before, but a very quick look at the source code seems to suggest they're not doing parallelization at all, since there's no @jit and no manual thread spawning from what I can tell.
@@danispringer RUclips isn't letting me reply with a link (my comments with a simple Reddit comment link keep getting autodeleted), so I'm going to quote the Redditor MrTimscampi on this topic and then my own reply him. MrTimscampi: "Indeed, but The Verge's entire methodology is flawed here. They mention "real world" testing using Puget's benchmarking tools. Puget's own website mentions: "Adobe Photoshop version 20.x, 21.x, 22.x, 23.x. M1 Native version is not yet supported" for the Photoshop one. The Puget bench for Premiere is still fixing bugs on M1 as recently as the latest version, and the article doesn't even specify which version they used for the test. Since they're running other stuff in Rosetta 2 and not mentioning it, are they even running a native version of Premiere here? They don't mention fairly important information, like which Python and NumPy versions their NPBench is running on How is Geekbench configured? Which backend are they using for the compute tests? Why does the Boxx Apexx 4 not have CineBench scores? For the Tomb Raider part, they mention that "it does emphasize that if you’re running a computing load that relies primarily on a heavy-duty GPU, the Mac Studio is probably not the best choice". There is no mention of it running through Rosetta 2 or the DirectX to Metal translation layer the port uses, which would lead to worse performance overall. I get that there's no "perfect" benchmarking tool for this, but the entire way the review presents the benchmarks is misleading and lacks vital information to make sense of the numbers. And yes, it's partly Apple's fault for providing graphics that are misleading by omission. But you'd expect a tech-focused publication like The Verge to actually do their due diligence and properly run (and document) their benchmarks. You'd also expect all the other tech-focused publications to point out the flaws in methodology that are everywhere in that piece. I don't know, maybe watching too much Gamers Nexus influenced what I'm looking for in benchmarks, but this all feels really amateurish for somebody whose job revolves around benchmarking systems." My reply: "To add to your list, they didn't include the 4K Shadow of the Tomb Raider results for the RTX 3090 system, despite the fact that the 4K results would be the most GPU-bound and therefore the best way to compare the 3090 with the M1 Ultra's GPU performance with that particular benchmark. In addition, their scientific workload didn't emphasize multithreaded performance at all, and they seemed completely oblivious to the fact that all they had tested there was single-threaded performance."
Hi, @The Verge. Can you please explain to me why in the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark (14:32) all of them are providing better FPS in 4K setting while in the 1080p setting is performing at a much lower FPS. Is this a mistake or the actual FPS for these resolutions?
Yeah weird the 3090 4K performance isn't shown as I'd assume they got the labels wrong. Actually pretty impressive the ultra is doing about double the 4K fps compared to the Max and better than the Mac Pro in 1440 and 4K.
yo! Alex from The Verge team here. I had a blast filming with Becca and the team, they're incredible and always knock it out of the park! Using the mac studio was also a dream. Feel free to hit me with any questions, I'll do my best to share what I can. Love ya! - Alex / The Verge
Is there anything you wish was different about the Mac Studio or the Studio display? Follow up thought: I wish apple would have a Mac mini option with an m1 pro. Right now it feels like quite the gap in between those two lines. (Mac mini/Mac studio)
Can you give us some feedback on the noise the studio generates under load? Can you tell when the fans ramp up? Also - do you think the intake being on the underside will cause issues in the long run as it inevitably gets filled with dust? Especially since there is no way to open the Studio and clean it properly.
@@reopru We weren't in the quitest environment when I was using the studio so take with a grain of salt. I'd say it's fairly quiet, def wasn't noticeable with everything else going on but I didn't spend time with it in a personal office / bedroom situation. I'm not too sure about the vents, I'd say it's something to consider of course but I'm not usually worried about these things with computers (not the best, I know)
@@AlNemec I'm surprised that Apple hasn't made these displays with a higher refresh rate. Seems pretty ridiculous to have such an expensive display that's only 60hz. It was a really clear display but personally I'd pick any number of other displays before buying from Apple.
Honestly one of the best Verge reviews I've seen in a long time. Balanced, thorough, fun and - most importantly - useful. I'm going to be saving my money for a while I think!
@12:03 If that is an HMI light on the left side, you never want to have an HMI pointing up like that. Having them point up is not good for the bulbs because of how those lights work and how those bulbs cool down and dissipate heat. The max tilt angle while operating the light should be about 45 degrees up or down. Those bulbs could explode and be very dangerous.
Thanks for the in-depth review. I just canceled my Studio Display order. I hadn't read the tech specs, and no micro LED/OLED and no HDR makes this a no go.
Finally a REAL review of these new Apple. Every other small RUclipsr is too worried that Apple won't send them review units for their future videos. THANK YOU the Verge for being straight with us.
If it had one more thunderbolt port, I’d buy it. I’ll have to spend that much on quality designer display and dock, but since I don’t care about 5k, I have little interest.
I love video review. So well done. I do though have one question. At the 14:30 min mark their are graphs showing frame rates for shadow of the tomb raider. It shows the highest FPS is at 4k and the lowest at 1080p. I think the legend is backwards. Wouldn't you be getting the highest FPS at 1080 and progressively worse as you went to 1440p and 4k?
*SoC's. The M1 series of processors is a combined CPU/GPU/Neural chip, It is not a GPU or two GPU's linked together anything like AMD/NVIDIA's past dual GPU cards as was referenced here @1:30 into the video APUs are general purpose processors that feature integrated graphics processors, but that normally was for AMD chips, so lets just call Apple Silicon chips SoC's.
Fingers crossed that Apple can resolve the web cam issue but otherwise I have every intention of getting the Studio with the Max chip and the Studio Display. And yes, the term "edge-to-edge" doesn't feel quite right.
Are the Shadow of the Tomb Raider graphs correct? Wondering why the FPS is much lower with 1080p than 1440p and that 4k has the highest FPS…? 🤔 Shouldn‘t they be the other way around?
Excellent video Guys - please could we have separate videos from each professional so that we can see exactly what they did with this machine. Personally, I am interested in its Audio capabilities - I use Logic Pro along with Sibelius - a Score writing program. Thanks for the presentation.
This was an amazingly helpful and thorough review!! We're so much less stressed about making the decision to buy one after knowing it was tested by professionals doing the same things we plan to use Mac Studio for 👍👍
The machine has Thunderbolt ports on the back, and USB-C at the front for the M1 Max version and 2 additional Thunderbolt ports for the M1 Ultra version. It’s the USB-C connector but not just USB-C ports.
Any thoughts on the nano texture glass and how much it effects clarity / colours? Also any experience with the stand, lot of money but wonder if the adaptability is worth it?
Big fan of the review style where the team finds practical use cases and then explains how it works in each of those scenarios in a thoughtful, articulate way.
It'd be awesome to get the test project file at 6:30 for us to compare the speed at home and gauge if it's a significant improvement over current setups 🙏
iMac Pro, with fast Intel processor and fast gpu too. Great for Windows apps, and Windows games too. M1 means Boot Camp is gone, 100% Windows compatibility is *GONE* .
Best review ever. This is exactly the kind of real-world, detailed info that I need in order to decide what to buy (I'm a video editor still fairly happy with a 2017 5K iMac, but for some projects, I really could use more power).
Love the dose of Backlon at the end. I ordered mine on the phone while the keynote was still going and I'm glad I won't regret my decision! Thank you for the quick and thorough review with real pros. Also love the new cinematography look; real environments, natural lighting, wider and closer lensing. Go Becca!
They didn't even bother to include the 4K result for the 3090, which is the only one that would be close to GPU-bound. It really confuses me how they can mess up their benchmark analysis so badly. They really need to hire someone explicitly to review their benchmarking methodology, because it is severely lacking.
9:00 microled backlights on the macbooks? i doubt it, also, i dont understand what the difference between mini-led! in the macbooks and local dimming in the pro xdr display is supposed to mean. its mini led in both cases and it works by locally dimming the backlights...
One of your best vids yet! I had to pause the vid and see how much time was left because I didn't want it to end. This was so informative and a very truthful review with many perspectives.
I think it’s great that they use Adobe for testing but they need to test Final Cut and Davinci as Adobe has been sluggish to fully optimize their software to these new chips as Adobe has seem to slowly move to focusing on Windows more than MacOS
@@itsCcallahan I know that pros use the full suite. But there are plenty of pros who use Final Cut and DaVinci. Especially when it comes to video editing. Myself in the video the community has seen many professionals moving off Premiere as the software yet powerful is not reliable and many professionals have been moving to DaVinci and Final Cut.
If it works well with Adobe apps, it’ll work most likely even better with Final Cut and DaVinci as that has been the case with the most recent M1 Max Macbook Pros.
Great review -- just one caveat. When you use Python programs, you should specify the use cases. Most regular Python programs are single-threaded processes and its no wonder that you got the same performance on M1 Max and Ultra.
I'm definitely one of the nerds that cares about having a monitor that can display macOS in pixel-perfect resolution, but I'm not going to bite on the Studio display. Its essentially a $700 premium over the Ultrafine 5K if you include the height adjustable stand (which is a necessity!). We're too deep into the HDR-era to be buying new displays at such premium prices that don't support it. I'm also spoiled by my M1 16 inch Pro's display and a lack of ProMotion and HDR isn't going to cut it for $2000
Guess you will be waiting a while until we get thunderbolt 5 lol Thunderbolt 4 can only support up to 4k 120hz HDR is definitely coming with the new Pro Display tho
@@chidorirasenganz That's pretty much all I want, along with everyone else. I think apple could do 5k 120hz via DSC though. Regardless, I'm ready to move on from LED. Mini-LED, OLED, QD-OLED, are all things everyone wants now.
@@0741921 There are but none that Apple would entertain. Like using two thunderbolt ports or using HDMI 2.1 It’s in the works yes but even once it’s finalized it’ll still be a little before it’s implemented. I think we are at least a year or two out. We just got Thunderbolt 4 in 2020 and Thunderbolt 3 was used even longer
12:56 OMG that is so embarrassing, did they have some trouble sourcing webcams from the year 2021? Someone should compare this webcam to their older iPhone's and see which one comes the closest to the same quality.
"The general consensus was that the M1 Ultra was a bit faster... but not 3000 dollars faster" THANK YOU. I feel like I've watched a dozen videos about the Studio, and none of them have really answered this basic question.
I would like to see more PRO use cases... Some simulations (tension "map", fluid, heat transfer etc.) Everyone says "it's so powerful!" So, why most advanced things are done on windows then? I feel like apples products are only good for video and picture editing (and it has very low power consumption)
Their target audience is mostly creatives for these pro machines. Clear from trailers too. Their CUDA alternative Apple Metal is so hard to code on. It's a mess tbh. So most Devs are better off with Linux or windows machines at the moment. Hope apple sorts this out soon.
Does anyone know if the Xcode simulator will benefit from an M1 Max over an M1 Pro? Trying to decide if I should wait for an M1 Pro Mac mini or get M1 Max Mac studio.
No cinebench test, no blender render test, no 2-3 days non stop 3d rendering test to check stability, no cad test to see the viewport limit for triangles the gpu can draw, no resolve test, no nuke test, no fusion test. Is not the new macpro but still we the people who need these machines to "print money" with them are interested in pure performance/$ and stability. 99% of people wont get this for Ps or Indesign. Maybe is finally a decent alternative for Ae instead of MacPro.
Thank you. You are the first one to answer my question. I am going with the M1 Max. Thank you so much :) It would have been helpful if you could mention what's the configuration you used for the M1 Max
Great comprehensive review! Always love the production and multiple perspectives on the Verge's reviews. On a side note, anyone know where to find the wallpapers used on the Studio display?
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“What else can you glue two of together and double it’s performance?”
all kinds of protection. okay sorry that was insensitive.
@The Verge: Apple doesn't use "Micro LED" (9:07) on the MacBook Pro and iPad Pro. It uses Mini LED - a small but important distinction. "Words have meanings." - Nilay Patel (March 17, 2022)
The Wii was 2 gamecube ducktaped together. Does that count ?
chocolate bars?
Depression and anxiety.
“Words have meanings.”
Dieter’s love of semantics has left it’s mark on the Verge!
Came here to say this!
Dieter and I realized we'd be friends within like 30 seconds of meeting each other because of things like this ;)
@@reckless1280 just wanna say that ur interview with the Wordpress CEO was amazing. You have a knack for getting people to just feel chill.
@@reckless1280 truly the greatest love story of our generation
Apple: Edge of the inner edge is an edge, think differently.
I usually don't comment videos, but I loved this type of review, really going for the target audience of the product, well scripted. Congrats to all the team involved in this, specially Monica who amazes me as a reviewer on every single piece. If the algorithm is telling you to do shorter videos instead of this, please ignore it!
Have to agree, and I'm not even a Mac user. Yet.... I think the multiple viewpoints added a lot, and the benchmarks weren't dwelled upon.
Great work Verge team!
💯
Could be worded better. They kept on saying “fusing two GPU’s together” rather than the whole SOC
Yep, this was an A+ review. Thorough and honest.
Definitely one of the best reviews ever I would say. Great introduction to many of the key people at The Verge was a bonus. Team effort for sure.
This is why The Verge is the best. I like the multiple perspectives. Very comprehensive review. Nicely done.
Quick correction! At 9:07 the current MacBook Pro and iPad Pro use a mini-LED display, not micro-LED. Thank you to DGB Antho for flagging 😀
Gotta pin this comment! Can two comments be pinned? If not, this one's more important than the other and should be the one at the top instead.
I think the most impressive thing in this video is Alex drawing with a mouse (vs. a pen/tablet). 1) who does that? 2) how is he doing it so well?
Some people think pen tablets are hype and learned on mice instead. I think Wacom tablets are too expensive for what they do.
He has mastered the mouse, wonder if he ever plays FPS games. He could probably frag out.
@@Harvester88 probably not on a Mac, unfortunately, but maybe that’s all about to change.
I think it’s just a matter of practice on fine tuning the mouse. If he’s been using macs since OS9, it’s likely he uses a low DPI setting on the mouse. Back in the day, CRT iMacs used to come stock with really really low DPI settings out of the box. In my old digital and photo digital imaging classes, these were always set really low and it helps a lot.
You get used to that.
@@Harvester88I do play a lot of fps games lmao can't believe all that time was actually productive in the end. incredible
I was very impressed with the thoroughness of this review. 10/10 for delivering an exceptional review covering all the bases and also considering so many workflows and people's opinions. And wow. That camera situation? The way it was presented with all those other Apple cameras was impressive. Not to mention the seamless audio comparison. Well done team.
You could say they covered all their bases, from edge to edge.
@@Merabbit 🤣🤣🤣
Thoroughness?
You may be right with everything else except the GPU part.
1. It is proved that Geekbench Compute doesn’t ramp up apple silicon soon enough before it completes the benchmark.
2. Gaming is neither advertised nor considered by Apple for comparing it with a 3090 because they know very few, if any AAA games are optimised for Apple silicon and all of them including Tomb Raider are running through Rosetta.
There were absolutely no real world professional use case comparison with a 3090.
The Python test really depends on what you did in Python since a majority of tasks will be single threaded and you won’t see a benefit from extra cores.
There's no way that display should sell for $1599. If the 27" iMac were still around, it'd be about time for it to get HDR and high refresh rate at the same starting price.
No High refresh is probably not Apples fault tho. 5K is literally almost TWICE the resolution of 4K. Not just a bit more. And since Apple wants stuff to be simple and use Thunderbolt for that - the currently can't do that because TB4 simply does not support 5K at 120Hz.
They’re selling a product that you can’t buy anywhere else so there’s that. What company sells a unique product for cheap? That’s basic marketing people.
Well, it’s meant to compete with the LG UltraFine 5K that retails for $1299. You pay a premium for the Thunderbolt connectivity. Also, it has a great webcam built-in. This is also not meant for the average consumer. Someone who has a lot of money and wants the Apple-only aesthetic will love this monitor.
It also has great built-in speakers.
Idk if I'm off base, but it seems like the new Alienware 34" QD-OLED is only $1,300. Why would anyone choose Apple?! QD OLED is a new technology 3 generations beyond the new apple display (LCD > Dimming zones > OLED > QD OLED). I'm perplexed.
The reason you got almost identical results on the scientific test is python, unless explicitly coded otherwise, will only use 1 thread. So essentially what you tested is the new chip in single core performance for a real world application.
It's good to know the single core performance is better on the new chip (I suspect cooling has a lot to do with that result), but ideally you could complement it with a multicore workload for future reviews, you can do that using Numba if you chose to run python or some other language that is more oftenly used for multicore workloads (Such as Java or C++)
:)
PS: I'd be happy to share a basic Numba script you could try out :D
Exactly, without filling the chips with threads there is no point.
The Verge isn't really interested in doing their reviews properly or finding out WHY there's a problem in cases like this.
Hi! We ran the npbench Python test, which supports Numba. (Indeed, we all had to install Numba on various machines.) We'll keep poking at it, there's always a chance we did something wrong.
@@reckless1280 A lot of the people who are in that "really want a 5k display for its resolution @2x" are iOS/macOS engineers. Would love to see input from an indie dev and project compilation times of Swift in Xcode in addition to Python in the future.
@@reckless1280 Using Numba doesn't automatically mean multithreading. I've never seen npbench before, but a very quick look at the source code seems to suggest they're not doing parallelization at all, since there's no @jit and no manual thread spawning from what I can tell.
Probably the best review The Verge ever done. Very in-depth analysis of every relevant part of the products. Congrats to the team!
True That
Sem dúvida. Não estava esperando esse nível de detalhes.
This is so much more professional and informative than most other reviews it’s ridiculous.
But they don't understand the benchmarks. It's a problem.
@@danispringer RUclips isn't letting me reply with a link (my comments with a simple Reddit comment link keep getting autodeleted), so I'm going to quote the Redditor MrTimscampi on this topic and then my own reply him.
MrTimscampi: "Indeed, but The Verge's entire methodology is flawed here.
They mention "real world" testing using Puget's benchmarking tools. Puget's own website mentions: "Adobe Photoshop version 20.x, 21.x, 22.x, 23.x. M1 Native version is not yet supported" for the Photoshop one.
The Puget bench for Premiere is still fixing bugs on M1 as recently as the latest version, and the article doesn't even specify which version they used for the test. Since they're running other stuff in Rosetta 2 and not mentioning it, are they even running a native version of Premiere here?
They don't mention fairly important information, like which Python and NumPy versions their NPBench is running on
How is Geekbench configured? Which backend are they using for the compute tests? Why does the Boxx Apexx 4 not have CineBench scores?
For the Tomb Raider part, they mention that "it does emphasize that if you’re running a computing load that relies primarily on a heavy-duty GPU, the Mac Studio is probably not the best choice". There is no mention of it running through Rosetta 2 or the DirectX to Metal translation layer the port uses, which would lead to worse performance overall.
I get that there's no "perfect" benchmarking tool for this, but the entire way the review presents the benchmarks is misleading and lacks vital information to make sense of the numbers.
And yes, it's partly Apple's fault for providing graphics that are misleading by omission. But you'd expect a tech-focused publication like The Verge to actually do their due diligence and properly run (and document) their benchmarks. You'd also expect all the other tech-focused publications to point out the flaws in methodology that are everywhere in that piece.
I don't know, maybe watching too much Gamers Nexus influenced what I'm looking for in benchmarks, but this all feels really amateurish for somebody whose job revolves around benchmarking systems."
My reply: "To add to your list, they didn't include the 4K Shadow of the Tomb Raider results for the RTX 3090 system, despite the fact that the 4K results would be the most GPU-bound and therefore the best way to compare the 3090 with the M1 Ultra's GPU performance with that particular benchmark. In addition, their scientific workload didn't emphasize multithreaded performance at all, and they seemed completely oblivious to the fact that all they had tested there was single-threaded performance."
Nah it isn‘t they called it a giant gpu with double the cpu cores and things like this…
I feel so happy seeing a bunch of the verge team making an appearance on this video
Hi, @The Verge. Can you please explain to me why in the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark (14:32) all of them are providing better FPS in 4K setting while in the 1080p setting is performing at a much lower FPS. Is this a mistake or the actual FPS for these resolutions?
This has to be a mistake from them.
Yeah weird the 3090 4K performance isn't shown as I'd assume they got the labels wrong. Actually pretty impressive the ultra is doing about double the 4K fps compared to the Max and better than the Mac Pro in 1440 and 4K.
It is an error for sure also they would specify that Tomb Raider is running emulated on Mac Studio. So pretty impressive indeed.
Seeing Nilay is always fun....
yo! Alex from The Verge team here. I had a blast filming with Becca and the team, they're incredible and always knock it out of the park! Using the mac studio was also a dream.
Feel free to hit me with any questions, I'll do my best to share what I can. Love ya! - Alex / The Verge
Is there anything you wish was different about the Mac Studio or the Studio display?
Follow up thought: I wish apple would have a Mac mini option with an m1 pro. Right now it feels like quite the gap in between those two lines. (Mac mini/Mac studio)
Can you give us some feedback on the noise the studio generates under load? Can you tell when the fans ramp up? Also - do you think the intake being on the underside will cause issues in the long run as it inevitably gets filled with dust? Especially since there is no way to open the Studio and clean it properly.
@@reopru We weren't in the quitest environment when I was using the studio so take with a grain of salt. I'd say it's fairly quiet, def wasn't noticeable with everything else going on but I didn't spend time with it in a personal office / bedroom situation. I'm not too sure about the vents, I'd say it's something to consider of course but I'm not usually worried about these things with computers (not the best, I know)
@@AlNemec I'm surprised that Apple hasn't made these displays with a higher refresh rate. Seems pretty ridiculous to have such an expensive display that's only 60hz. It was a really clear display but personally I'd pick any number of other displays before buying from Apple.
@@alexcas cheers, thank you for sharing your impressions!
Honestly one of the best Verge reviews I've seen in a long time. Balanced, thorough, fun and - most importantly - useful. I'm going to be saving my money for a while I think!
Amazing editing! And great practical review. Instead of just listing specs and comparing with others. Great job!
Love that the reviewers keep it real. Nice cutting through Apple's marketing hyperbole!!!
@12:03 If that is an HMI light on the left side, you never want to have an HMI pointing up like that. Having them point up is not good for the bulbs because of how those lights work and how those bulbs cool down and dissipate heat. The max tilt angle while operating the light should be about 45 degrees up or down. Those bulbs could explode and be very dangerous.
I really love the unbiased point of view of the Verge reviews
The BEST review format. Please use this format for future reviews, thanks Verge!!!
Thanks for the in-depth review. I just canceled my Studio Display order. I hadn't read the tech specs, and no micro LED/OLED and no HDR makes this a no go.
Love the multi person reviews. Monica is crushing it.
Finally a REAL review of these new Apple. Every other small RUclipsr is too worried that Apple won't send them review units for their future videos. THANK YOU the Verge for being straight with us.
This is such an incredibly well balanced review. I love it!
The Studio Display is a huge let down. Very disappointed.
If it had one more thunderbolt port, I’d buy it. I’ll have to spend that much on quality designer display and dock, but since I don’t care about 5k, I have little interest.
Actually, it may be one of the more accurate displays in that price range, as I’ve done some digging.
I am going to miss Dieter so much. Him and Josh had so much charisma on mic and video. I feel like the Verge needs a talent bump.
SOrry, forgot about Becca. Becca should review everything until further notice.
I love video review. So well done. I do though have one question. At the 14:30 min mark their are graphs showing frame rates for shadow of the tomb raider. It shows the highest FPS is at 4k and the lowest at 1080p. I think the legend is backwards. Wouldn't you be getting the highest FPS at 1080 and progressively worse as you went to 1440p and 4k?
*SoC's. The M1 series of processors is a combined CPU/GPU/Neural chip, It is not a GPU or two GPU's linked together anything like AMD/NVIDIA's past dual GPU cards as was referenced here @1:30 into the video APUs are general purpose processors that feature integrated graphics processors, but that normally was for AMD chips, so lets just call Apple Silicon chips SoC's.
Fingers crossed that Apple can resolve the web cam issue but otherwise I have every intention of getting the Studio with the Max chip and the Studio Display. And yes, the term "edge-to-edge" doesn't feel quite right.
Are the Shadow of the Tomb Raider graphs correct? Wondering why the FPS is much lower with 1080p than 1440p and that 4k has the highest FPS…? 🤔 Shouldn‘t they be the other way around?
Saw that as well, looks strange
That audio test was probably the best I’ve seen…heard… on a YT review. 👍🏻
Excellent video Guys - please could we have separate videos from each professional so that we can see exactly what they did with this machine.
Personally, I am interested in its Audio capabilities - I use Logic Pro along with Sibelius - a Score writing program.
Thanks for the presentation.
This was an amazingly helpful and thorough review!! We're so much less stressed about making the decision to buy one after knowing it was tested by professionals doing the same things we plan to use Mac Studio for 👍👍
The machine has Thunderbolt ports on the back, and USB-C at the front for the M1 Max version and 2 additional Thunderbolt ports for the M1 Ultra version.
It’s the USB-C connector but not just USB-C ports.
14:31 more frames per second at 4k than at 1440, and than at 1080?
I love Becca's energy and enthusiasm! 🥰
One of the best computer reviews I've ever seen. Thankyou very much.
Any thoughts on the nano texture glass and how much it effects clarity / colours? Also any experience with the stand, lot of money but wonder if the adaptability is worth it?
Every RUclips channel’s production team went OFF on their Mac Studio reviews. Bravo!
Oh guys!!! the monitor specialist guy!! I bloody love him!!! so clear! so straight forward and honest!!! yessssss we love you man!!!
Absolutely incredible review! Very comprehensive and gorgeous cinematography.
This review was comprehensive and yet easily digestible. The editing and cinematography is remarkable. Thanks for all your hard work!
Nilay's outro rant was perfect! 😄
Big fan of the review style where the team finds practical use cases and then explains how it works in each of those scenarios in a thoughtful, articulate way.
It'd be awesome to get the test project file at 6:30 for us to compare the speed at home and gauge if it's a significant improvement over current setups 🙏
Still absolutely loving my iMac Pro, true workhorse for professional video editing.
iMac Pro, with fast Intel processor and fast gpu too. Great for Windows apps, and Windows games too.
M1 means Boot Camp is gone, 100% Windows compatibility is *GONE* .
Best review ever. This is exactly the kind of real-world, detailed info that I need in order to decide what to buy (I'm a video editor still fairly happy with a 2017 5K iMac, but for some projects, I really could use more power).
Love the dose of Backlon at the end. I ordered mine on the phone while the keynote was still going and I'm glad I won't regret my decision! Thank you for the quick and thorough review with real pros. Also love the new cinematography look; real environments, natural lighting, wider and closer lensing. Go Becca!
Colour grading seems a bit more... natural, as well? Or, washed out? It doesn't seem as contrasty as before. New look though.
Are the benchmarks for Shadow of the Tomb Raider backwards?
How is it running better at 4K than 1080p? 😅
Using Tomb Raider as a benchmark is no sense without considering it is running emulated. Hope to see it updated and optimised for Apple Silicon.
They didn't even bother to include the 4K result for the 3090, which is the only one that would be close to GPU-bound. It really confuses me how they can mess up their benchmark analysis so badly. They really need to hire someone explicitly to review their benchmarking methodology, because it is severely lacking.
Hahah Nilay caught me off guard with that "edge-to-edge" rant. Spot on reviews as always Verge team!
Btw, I huge miss on your video, the power cable of the studio display is not swappable. This is a huge concern for long term use of this monitor.
Nilay's jacket game is always on point. Props
9:00 microled backlights on the macbooks? i doubt it, also, i dont understand what the difference between mini-led! in the macbooks and local dimming in the pro xdr display is supposed to mean. its mini led in both cases and it works by locally dimming the backlights...
One of your best vids yet! I had to pause the vid and see how much time was left because I didn't want it to end. This was so informative and a very truthful review with many perspectives.
I didn’t know you guys had J. Cole working at the studio!
Thank you for a well thought out review without all the hype. Just the facts in Real World daily usage.
Is there a list of software online that makes use of the multi thread mac software
This is a really well done review! I'm a graphic designer and the mac studio max is really interesting, but i guess i can wait for another generation.
The audio quality of this video is like next level good! Really good! Amazing
This was very in depth thank you to everyone who made this vid
14:33 High resolution got a high FPS. That could be a mistake.
Best review I’ve watched thus far… 👌🏾
I think it’s great that they use Adobe for testing but they need to test Final Cut and Davinci as Adobe has been sluggish to fully optimize their software to these new chips as Adobe has seem to slowly move to focusing on Windows more than MacOS
But the point is that most pros use the Adobe creative suite
So It makes sense to test it first on a computer marketed for pros
@@itsCcallahan I know that pros use the full suite. But there are plenty of pros who use Final Cut and DaVinci. Especially when it comes to video editing. Myself in the video the community has seen many professionals moving off Premiere as the software yet powerful is not reliable and many professionals have been moving to DaVinci and Final Cut.
I think that was the point. If they can be a beast with Adobe , it will be fine with others.
You’ve missed the point. They haven’t picked Adobe for testing, they’ve picked Adobe because their internal staff are using Adobe everyday.
If it works well with Adobe apps, it’ll work most likely even better with Final Cut and DaVinci as that has been the case with the most recent M1 Max Macbook Pros.
“Words have meanings.” Such a simple statement. Such a deep, complex idea. Well said Nilay.
It would be so cool if at 7:06 the little preview of Monica matched up with the voiceover.
The presenter is great! Good job!
Are your Shadow of the Tomb Raider graphs mislabeled? 1080p gets the lowest fps and 4k gets the highest??
Great review -- just one caveat. When you use Python programs, you should specify the use cases. Most regular Python programs are single-threaded processes and its no wonder that you got the same performance on M1 Max and Ultra.
This is by far most deep review of a product within 2days I guess, great work to the team. Am highly impress, keep it up.
the content and editing quality is 10/10 !
The reviewer is great addition for the verge
I'm definitely one of the nerds that cares about having a monitor that can display macOS in pixel-perfect resolution, but I'm not going to bite on the Studio display. Its essentially a $700 premium over the Ultrafine 5K if you include the height adjustable stand (which is a necessity!). We're too deep into the HDR-era to be buying new displays at such premium prices that don't support it. I'm also spoiled by my M1 16 inch Pro's display and a lack of ProMotion and HDR isn't going to cut it for $2000
Guess you will be waiting a while until we get thunderbolt 5 lol
Thunderbolt 4 can only support up to 4k 120hz
HDR is definitely coming with the new Pro Display tho
@@chidorirasenganz That's pretty much all I want, along with everyone else. I think apple could do 5k 120hz via DSC though. Regardless, I'm ready to move on from LED. Mini-LED, OLED, QD-OLED, are all things everyone wants now.
@@chidorirasenganz I'm sure there are work arounds, but wouldnt be elegant. That being said, tb5 is in the works, so the wait wouldn't be forever
@@0741921 There are but none that Apple would entertain. Like using two thunderbolt ports or using HDMI 2.1
It’s in the works yes but even once it’s finalized it’ll still be a little before it’s implemented. I think we are at least a year or two out. We just got Thunderbolt 4 in 2020 and Thunderbolt 3 was used even longer
Same here. Do you have other alternative monitors I should consider?
Flawless review! Great visuals AND music. Informative as always and great to see the whole gang. Shout out to Alex!
I love how you did this video with your own folks giving feedback on it!
19:50 That Part! Yes! Word's have meaning!
Another great review! Glad I ran into you on the street and got to say it in person haha
i wish all review videos were this good. Loved it.
I was excited about the display and now i'm not anymore :(
As it pulls air from the bottom, I am wondering how easy it would be to clean the dust that will eventually be accumulated in the fans?
Isn't Tomb Raider running through translation Rosetta 2? Or did that get an update?
One of the best reviews from The Verge.
Such a great conclusion to the video Monica!! Very well written.
12:56 OMG that is so embarrassing, did they have some trouble sourcing webcams from the year 2021?
Someone should compare this webcam to their older iPhone's and see which one comes the closest to the same quality.
Truly next level post Dieter era video.. congrats team.. faith continues..
"The general consensus was that the M1 Ultra was a bit faster... but not 3000 dollars faster" THANK YOU. I feel like I've watched a dozen videos about the Studio, and none of them have really answered this basic question.
Does the display work with Mac mini ?
Great video, is very important to hear the people who actually work with it.
Great review!
Becca needs their own channel ❤️
she has. just search her name on youtube
I would like to see more PRO use cases... Some simulations (tension "map", fluid, heat transfer etc.) Everyone says "it's so powerful!" So, why most advanced things are done on windows then? I feel like apples products are only good for video and picture editing (and it has very low power consumption)
I think kinda shot themselves on the foot by not being more open to gaming and similar tasks.
Their target audience is mostly creatives for these pro machines. Clear from trailers too.
Their CUDA alternative Apple Metal is so hard to code on. It's a mess tbh. So most Devs are better off with Linux or windows machines at the moment. Hope apple sorts this out soon.
Have you ever tried Windows and up to date graphic card drivers?
Does anyone know if the Xcode simulator will benefit from an M1 Max over an M1 Pro? Trying to decide if I should wait for an M1 Pro Mac mini or get M1 Max Mac studio.
Nilay"s passion for displays is endearing.
No cinebench test, no blender render test, no 2-3 days non stop 3d rendering test to check stability, no cad test to see the viewport limit for triangles the gpu can draw, no resolve test, no nuke test, no fusion test. Is not the new macpro but still we the people who need these machines to "print money" with them are interested in pure performance/$ and stability. 99% of people wont get this for Ps or Indesign. Maybe is finally a decent alternative for Ae instead of MacPro.
We ran cinebench! It's on the site: www.theverge.com/22981815/apple-mac-studio-m1-ultra-max-review
Super informative. As a premiere user I'm incredibly excited for this computer, but even more excited for the Mac Pro.
Thank you. You are the first one to answer my question. I am going with the M1 Max. Thank you so much :) It would have been helpful if you could mention what's the configuration you used for the M1 Max
Amazing review! Very helpful for target audience! An beautifully filmed and edited! Thanks!
Great comprehensive review! Always love the production and multiple perspectives on the Verge's reviews. On a side note, anyone know where to find the wallpapers used on the Studio display?