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I thought about having a gas car for road trips, or renting one. Then I took my first road trip in the Model 3, and... now, I wouldn't dream of taking anything else. Autopilot is so great for long highway drives, and the car is so comfortable. Superchargers are common on major routes. It takes longer to charge than to gas up, but on long trips you should really take longer breaks anyway.
dude, EXACLY like me. just took a one week trip with my Tesla Mosel 3 SR. then took a second trip with my wife's gas car..and ohhhh boyyy...the difference is beyond words. Comfort, coolness, awesomeness and.... of my Tesla is mind blowing. My wife is now selling her car.
So what beats a Tesla? Another Tesla. I thought the same thing about my model 3 until we got a model y as our 2nd car. Now we take the model y instead - more room, better ride, and more range than our 2019 model 3.
Talk to your landlord. Work with them to put in a "dryer" outlet where they can market it as a feature when you move out or other tenants. I pay $25 a month to charge and it's my parking spot. I have a cord with a meter in it and it's only about $18 a month in electricity. Fair trade off.
Awesome video, very informative and accurate. Had my Tesla model 3 for 10 months already yet stick to watch the whole video. Agree on all his points. I would say only inconvenience is last minute trips, otherwise everything else is so much better. Smoother rides, less driver fatigue using autopilot, easy of mind with a dash-cam built in for every minute you drive being captured in case of an accident. Peace of mind when you park in public with sentry mode recording everything around your car. No worries about maintenance, so far I only rotate my tires ones in 10 months, no worrying about oil changes, tune ups, smoke checks. Lastly your car gets better with time as it gets updates that improve your car, you can’t say that about any other vehicle no matter the price.
Very good points Andy. I still am really satisfied with installation of a wall connector day one! With 44 miles/hr charge rate it makes charging at home never a issue. Say you do drive a extreme amount during a day say 200-250 miles and get home with 10-20 left. You will easily be able to leave again in a hour wile making it to town and back for say going out to dinner date or something. A full charge from 0-100% is in less than 9 hour and typically daily driving 3-5 hours. So far having two model 3's for my family has saved us so much. The cars have literally been free compared to the cost of gas alone! Take it easy man, Casey
That's great to hear, Casey! I also enjoy the convenience of L2 charging at home. My Model 3 gets about 30mi/hr charging on my NEMA 1450 outlet. Can easily recharge from 0-100% overnight if needed.
I'm really glad that you mentioned additional registration fees in your video since that is so often overlooked. My state (Alabama) actively discourages EV ownership by banning direct sales, tacking on an additional $200 to annual tag fees, and not offering any off-peak charging incentives. As a duel EV household, it is still worth it but savings over an ICE vehicle add up more slowly. I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
Terrific video, Andy. Yes, you want to go into this with your eyes wide open. I love my M3 SR+. My wife just replaced her aging Camry. She went through a process, from wanting another ICE vehicle to ending up getting a VW ID.4 EV. Having the Tesla here, seeing me use it daily, was a huge factor for her. So we are now an EV family! On range, I’d just put in that I have found a shift in attitude and mindset helps. On our 1,100 mile family road trip in my Model 3, we simply combined our charging stops with needed breaks (meal, restroom, etc…). Also letting go of the “fill ‘er up” thinking kept our charging stops on the road to ~20 minutes - we never charged to 100%. In fact, in the 4 months I’ve had the car, I’ve only charged to 100% once. That’s been a huge time saver! (I’m planning a road trip from Sacramento to Louisville in the Spring, btw.) Really enjoy your channel (your cat did a nice video bomb!). Keep up the great work.
@@aslye You might also mention there’s a federal tax credit for costs associated with getting a home charging station. 30% if I recall correctly. Every little bit helps!
@@cookinma It depends. I personally would not get the VW. I wanted something very different than a typical car experience, and love the Tesla layout. It’s lack of buttons, switches, knobs, etc is something I really like. My wife wanted a more traditional driving experience, and with its layout and user interface (knobs etc…), the VW gives her that. Other, more important, reasons I’d choose the Tesla are the years of experience and singular focus of Tesla with building EVs; the amazing Tesla supercharging next work; and the styling of the Model 3. VW is new to EVs, and they’re primarily a builder of ICE vehicles, so at this point, EVs are a side business (though they’ve done a solid job here). The ID.4 does come with three years of free supercharging with their Electrify America system. Depending on your needs, that could be a big factor. We do 90% charging at home. But I’ll say she certainly loves her ID.4, and the car has been performing very well. The software has some small glitches, but I expect those glitches to be worked out with time (for example, we cannot program the ID.4 to charge at a set time like the Model 3 - VW says they’re working on it). I think the choice all depends on your needs, wants, and hot buttons. Edit: The VW does have some nice touches: Apple CarPlay; very nice interior lighting you can customize (my wife’s is set to purple); feels solid in ride, build, and quality; heated steering wheel and seats… It is not some bargain basement vehicle. It’s not as peppy as the Model 3, but it’s not dragging its butt. It has about the same range, but not quite as efficient. I’d definitely recommend taking them both for a test ride. She drove a few EVs before deciding and that really helped her choose. Me? One drive of the Model 3 was it. Just like with my wife, it was love at first sight! Hope that helps!!
I started watching your videos when I was waiting for my Model 3 to be delivered. Been a couple years now. Still watch your videos. Still use the accessories you recommend. Still love my Tesla.
One thing to keep in mind is if you are planning to sell your house anytime soon, you might consider going with the NEMA 14-50 plug instead of a Tesla charger. It charges slightly slower, but still gets the job done overnight. It won't be of much use to the new owners if they don't own a Tesla - the 14-50 plug is more flexible in that regard.
14-50 has worked for us over the last 14k miles. Be sure to install an indistrial-grade outlet rather than residential. It'll get more plugins than a stove outlet would typically.
And while at it electrify every garage and parking spot, your guests will appreciate it also, and resale value of that home will be much better in the electric smoker free future.
@@matthewp1682 But how will you install it? I'm interested in the 14-50 plug to hook up in my garage. I have a 240 in my basement for my dryer hookup but how will I tap into it and run it to the garage?
My first and current car is a used 2015 Nissan Leaf. To this day it is still getting me to and from work with ease. Like you said, charging at home a super convenient.
I bought my model 3 when it was eligible for a 7500 tax credit and that was 3 years ago. The car is still worth almost what I paid for it, and with the credit applied I technically spent about the same as what it’s worth now 🙌🏾
If the Model 3 would actually hold the value they currently say it will, then the lease on a a Model 3 would be less than $200 per month with no money down. Its not. In fact, its actually higher than most other cars in its price range. Apparently, Tesla has zero faith that the current resale value will hold true much longer. If you want to know the true resale value, look at the S's depreciation. It will be 35% after 5 years just like most every other car as soon as the market floods with cars in a year. I would hurry up and sell that Model 3 while you can get good money for it.
Tesla is making truly sustainable cars. Depreciation is the biggest cost with a car. Teslas also hold their range exceptionally well. Other BEVs like the Nissan Leaf depreciate terribly and have range that degrades significantly after just a few years. Those kinds of BEVs are wasteful and not in line with the goal of sustainability. People need to look at the overall cost of ownership when they get a car and realize that Teslas aren't actually that expensive. The upfront cost scares people though.
I have a 120-130 mile round trip commute. I’ve heard you lose over 50% range in winter and it’s bad to always charge to max. For me in AK I’d need close to 400 miles because if I can only charge to 80% in winter most teslas will not be acceptable for a 120 mile trip. If there is traffic and it’s -10F out with the heat running an 80% charge on a long range model 3 will be under 100 miles…. Unless I don’t use the heater….
I like my Tesla model S but it has not been maintenance free. My car has had a failure of the main screen and the drivetrain. It has also required the 12 volt battery to be replaced about every 3 years and replacing the battery is not as cheap or easy as my ice vehicles. I've also had one door handle fail. The cost to get it fixed by Tesla is about $1,000. However I fixed myself for about $30 but it took me several hours. Tesla also originally recommend getting a maintenance checkup every couple of years and it was much more than my maintenance costs on any ice car I've owned. I've had the car since December 2014 and the range has dropped from 254 miles to about 230 miles. I have free supercharging for life so long distance travel is less expensive for fuel but needs to be balanced by higher cost for tires and additional hotel costs because it takes longer to travel a given distance because of charging time. One other thing is I live in California and I'm on an ev time of use electric rate with PG&E. The cost for electricity has increased greatly in the 6.5 years I have owned the car. I charge at home and have solar panels. PG&E has increased their rates and changed their time of use which has increased my overall electric costs greatly. In 2015 my total electric cost was $839, in 2016 it was $1,014. In 2020 it was $3,255. Some of the higher cost in 2020 was problems with my solar system but about $1,200 was a result of a change in the time of use schedule by PG&E. They increased the duration of the lowest cost rate from 7 am until 3 pm. This cut the amount I received for my solar generation. I believe as we increase solar generation eventually the highest cost electric rate will be at night. So charging an ev will be more expensive than today.
The Hyunda/Kona vehicles have 240-260 miles per charge EPA ratings, but unless you drive like a madman you can get 330-350 mi on a charge easily. I bought a Niro-EV fourteen months ago and have zero regret. I only really pay for "fuel" on the occasional long trip using Electrify America stations. My home overnight charging is under $1 a week.
I will add that for those that own an EV and live in places that get winters, because you don’t use your brakes as often you’ll want to have the brakes lubricated. The lack of using the brakes combined with the winter ice melt and salt that they use on the roads will cause brakes to seize on an EV so make sure to keep an eye on that.
Good info to point out. I was shocked when I first heard of the maintenance cost for basically not using your breaks often enough. Is the brake system setup in a way that you can just make sure you get hard on the brakes once a week to activate them enough, or is it basically just if you live in that environment you're gonna have to get the lubrication service regardless?
Hi Andy, I have always been a fan of your channel and videos, but I am confused why you promoted this video by “Avoid these” pointing to a level 2 charger (which is the best way to charge EV)? A click bite?
There is one problem with charging at home if you don't have a garage or at least a covered drive and don't have a fast charger. If it is too cold or hot, the phantom drain in just keeping the battery in an optimum temp range will drain it faster than the wall charging will charge the battery. BTW, Michigan has no credit, rebait, or anything for buying an EV. Only thing you can get in Mich is the federal tax credit.
Another big tip: if you are looking to lease your Tesla and are considering one with Enhanced AutoPilot or Full Self Drive; these are 'over the air' options so you can purchase them later. Meaning, why pay interest on having them in your lease deal when you can purchase those lower cost options later on on a 0% interest credit card! Be aware, as more options become available on Full Self Drive, the cost will go up. Today, the Full Self Drive is $12k in the US and £6800 in the UK. It will only go up! A good investment possibly?
1. Many people can get a 30% federal credit on home charging installation, and additional incentives through their local utility. My home charging installation, including the Wall Connector, was only 20% of the total cost. So definitely get a home charger if you can get a lot of rebates. 2. When you said "charge on a normal outlet" that wasn't a normal outlet - that was a NEMA 5-20. 25% more Amps than a normal outlet. :-)
Not sure where you got that from. He is showing a charging rate of 12A, which under NEC rules is 80% of 15A which is a standard outlet. A 20A outlet would charge at 16A or 80% of 20A.
@@redbaron6805 A standard NEMA 5-15 outlet would have 3 holes in it: 2 vertical slits and a round grounded wire. The thing is, one of the vertical slits in the plug he's using also has a horizontal slit in it, making a "T" shape. That means it's a NEMA 5-20 outlet, capable of 20 Amps. Just do a Google image search for a 5-20 and you'll see the difference. These lines are typically not shared with any other plugs so you get the full 20 Amps, great for a strong 120V connection for a car charger. The reason the charging session is running as if it's plugged into a 15A circuit is because he's using a NEMA 5-15 adapter on his Mobile Connector. 5-20 outlets are backward compatible with 5-15 plugs, and the devices that connect to them only draw up to 15A. You have to buy Tesla's NEMA 5-20 adapter, with one of the vertical slits being horizontal to only allow entry to a true NEMA 5-20 outlet, to pull 20A (or 80% thereof as you mentioned) from that outlet. Hope that makes sense.
Yes, sufficient range is probably the most important consideration. But if you’re not doing the daily drive and trips in extreme cold, the SR+ will do really well for lower cost. We’ve had ours just under 2 years, and it continues to surprise us.
Andy, great video as always! Thank you for bringing up the increased cost for EV annual registration. TN is sadly one of the states that charge way more for having an EV.
Mistake #2, don't dismiss other non-Tesla chargers; there are great options available from JuiceBox, Grizzl-e, ChargePoint, Pulsar Wallbox, etc. that can charge Tesla and as well as other EVs with CCS plug
I disagree with your advice regarding the 120 VAC charging. Even if you normally only drive 30 to 50 miles a day, if an unexpected trip comes up this will certainly become a problem. Installing a 240 VAC outlet normally should not be very expensive and will allow charging at off-peak times as well as lowering any anxiety about available range. One hour charging at 240 VAC is equivalent to 4.25 hours at 120 VAC. I think most people would consider this a big deal.
Thank you for your video. It prepared me mentally for owning a EV. I am in the market for one too. Quite frankly, I'm tired of the gasoline prices. I live in Canada and the price for gasoline is much higher than it is in the US. I paid up to $400 Cdn a month. So its time to say "bye bye" to gasoline.
Just bought a Kia Niro EV, thanks for mentioning the make. Whatever KIA says the range will be, you will exceed it in most cases. 80%charge will get you about 250 miles realistically. Around town in the summer I routinely go over 5mi/kwh and highway about 4.1 doing 70-75 mph. I live in an apartment which makes charging a bit problematic. However, the charging infrastructure in NE NJ is expanding rapidly. They're popping up like mushrooms after a good rain. Up until last week NJ was giving $5k towards the purchase of an EV below $45k, $2k between between $45k-$55k and zero above that. Not everyone has $7500 in federal tax liabilities especially if you're retired. We liked the M3 and would of bought one except that when I compared insurance prices the Tesla was double the Niro EV costs. The primary reason is the proprietary nature of Tesla parts and repairs and perhaps some drivers of Tesla's adding to this repair shop demand and added liability by being a bit to confident perhaps(we've all seen the videos) - a higher serious accident rate. You must go to Tesla for everything. The only thing your local NAPA store carries in the way of parts for Tesla's is windshield washer fluid. So you need to pay thru the nose to repair a Tesla if the need arises.
I feel that the " HIGH TECH " safety features are what really make Tesla so successful whether they're fully electric ,gas/ electric hybrid ,plug in hybrid ect .
Great! Thank you! I was concidering getting an EV but live in a Flat in Tower Block and charging on the street at all time is not convinient so I give up for now till long range options become more affordable.or a norm at no extra cost. And YES, anything bellow 300 milese range is no go if you do not live in a house and be able to charge at home.
Just got my model 3. Tesla started providing in house insurance starting last week in states other than California! my policy was only 151.00 ***however the rate will change each month based on driving performance.
You do NOT have to "owe" the IRS $7500 to get the full tax credit. If your total tax liability for the year is over $7500 you will get the full amount, regardless of how much you owe when filing, or how large your refund would be. You will end up owing $7500 less or getting a $7500 larger refund.
Spirited driving means my tires last about 22,000 miles :-) You are lucky your indicated range is the same after three years. My 2018 LR AWD has lost 20 miles of indicated range after 38,000 miles.
That is not really a cause for concern. Most of the EV range drops in the early days, first couple of years, then levels off after that. Even after 8 years, my Model S still has over 90% of the original range. Most people report a drop of 2% to 3% for the first year or two, then the range drops around 1% a year after that.
@@JeanPierreWhite I haven't seen what you are referring to. All EV's will lose some range initially which then slows down after 2 to 3 years. I'm not aware of the Model 3 being any different. Keep in mind on a Model 3 LR, 20 miles is barely 6% of range.
I lost about 15% range in my first year / year and a half. And with lifetime 210 wh/mi, I feel like it must be battery degradation. (I drive 2019 standard range)
You are probably in the lot of idiots who overcharge or leave to charge until under 10%.... you can lie and say no but the majority of us 3 owners have no had battery degradation
I am new to learning about what is here and coming for ev vehicles...........each one of your videos has brought me valuable insights on what to expect..........thanks for sharing..........I am a car guy..........I have always said if you want the real story you have to ask the owners...........if you ask enough of them you can get the knowledge you need..........
It really is absurd. My second array I put in to offset my EV, up to 10K miles a year, it is 8 panels (2560watts) with Enphase microinverters, cost me $2600 after $900 Federal tax credit. It will pay for itself in 5 years, drive completely free minus new tires / air filter / washer fluid basically.
*living in California and looking at east prices* ... Yeah, EV makes sense. Excited to get my M3 LR at the end of the month! :) I will most likely charge it (for free) at work, 3mi away
Great video. Just to note that there are several apps that will help you plan longer trips with your EV (depending on your car) that will show you where to charge up along the way. Tesla has a great network but others don't. Car & Driver has a recent issue where they had a 1,000 mile drive test in different models & Tesla comes out on top for having more charging stations along the way. Hopefully, more gas stations will start having charging stations as well...
Get a faster charger, because if you are going on a longer trip in a short time and you are close to 0 percent and you want to be fully charged it would be close to 3-4 days to fully charge if you don’t want to spend money at a supercharger. I have a Model S Performance.
Great Video but the other point that needs to be considered is the Co2 footprint associated with the % of the electricity an EV car (KY is 69% or 4th highest in the nation) buyer's state produces using coal.
That is a fair point, although out of this control. But as late as 2018, the SRTV region under the EIA map shows the MPG equivalent of this Model 3 being charged in that region around 83MPG equivalent. Now, it is as impressive as the upstate NY region of 306 Mpg or CA at 161 Mpg? No. But it is still far better at well over 3x the average gasoline car MPG which is around 26Mpg.
I vowed when getting my license that I’d never buy a gas car. My parents bought my first car a Honda. Meanwhile I was saving my money for a Tesla, this March I took delivery of a model 3
I wish just one of you guys with these videos would show a comparison of your electric bill the month before you bought your electric car and the next couple of months after.
I bought the Mach-E. After reviewing my electric bill I get between 74 to 80 mpg against today's gasoline costs. Obviously this will change with the cost of electricity and gasoline.
Thx for a great video! Great that you don’t have to spend as much on service as a petrol car. Hopefully Tesla (and all other EVs) will tell you to replace brake fluid. No matter the car (EV or petrol) brake fluid needs replacing regularly. Considering how automated every aspect of an EV is including service schedule alerts I guess this is a non-problem but in my mind still worth mentioning since it is critical for brake performance.
Thank you, Andy. I am considering purchasing a Model Y. I live in Minnesota and found that they do not have any sort of rebate for EV (bummer) but still going forward. Going to check with an electrician to install a proper plug for the vehicle and check with my insurance. You did a great job explaining and were very informative.
Just a note or two of advice, you could install a 14-50 outlet, but a 6-50 is another option too. It's what I did, one less large current carrying wire to run, so it should be cheaper. 240v air compressors and welders also use the 6-50 plug, so I can use it for other things if needed. The only real dual use with a 14-50 is if you also wanted to plug in an RV. The 6-50 mobile connector adapter from Tesla is a few bucks cheaper too. Also, if you go that route and plan to plug/unplug the charger from the wall a lot, make sure they install a Hubbel brand receptacle. They are actual industrial grade and maintain a better connection over repeated plug cycles. They are built much more substantially than the $12 ones from HD/Menards. Charging at the full 32 amps from the mobile connector makes everything warm, any weakness in the connection would not be good. I actually ended up going with the very robust Grizzl-e EVSE instead, it uses 8ga wire in the cable instead of 10ga in the Tesla unit. (Grizzl-e cable stays more flexible in these cold MN winters too) And I didn't want to be locked into a Tesla only charger, in case someday I decided to get something else, or got an electric motorcycle or something. Lastly, I've found it's unnecessary to charge at the max amperage (32-40a), it's a lot less efficient as it creates quite a bit of heat everywhere; the conduit with the wire coming from the breaker panel, the charger cable, and the inboard charger. Lots of waste heat from the radiator when I charge that fast. I set it to 20A and can replenish my 120mi commute in 6-7hrs overnight and everything stays cool. I was surprised the 6ga copper wire from the breaker panel even got warm, that's rated for 60a continuous.
Be sure to check with your power company. I live in Brandon, South Dakota and Sioux Valley Energy is our power company. They offer a $500.00 rebate to buy the Tesla wall charger if you agree to sign up for “time of use” billing. We pay less for our power between 10am-4:00 and 9pm-7am. I charge over night as well as use things like the dishwasher and washer/dryer during non-peak hours. It has saved me money and charging over night really makes sense anyway. So be sure to check with your local power company.
I went shopping around for EV. Tesla Model 3 is clear winner compared to Nissan Leaf. The Nissan dealer wanted same price that translates to same monthly lease or loan payment compared to Tesla terms. The Leaf is about 60 miles less range. Dealer markups makes Tesla hard to beat.
I once talked to a doctor who a Chevy Volt, and he told me owned it for just over 2 years and has replaced the Battery pack 3 times at about 8 grand each time. The reason, he parks it in a heated garage at home, but outdoors at work and that is in Toronto Ontario Canada. The reason he had to replace the batteries, they froze. and would not charge anymore. And the temps do go much below - 10 Celcius, or about 14 F, we do get lower for a couple days a year but never -20 or a bit lower for no more than 3 or 4 days at atime
I don't understand this comment. If he has owned it for two years it would be under warranty. In Canada, at least, the warranty on the battery pack is 8 years or 160,000km, whichever comes first. The price of replacement, even if this comment were true, which I highly doubt it is, would not matter.
Andy, thanks for the videos!!! We jumped in and bought a Longer Range Model Y a day after the big price drop. I heard you say you are from Kentucky and was wondering what you would say the total price of electricity does it cost to charge to 100% for 330. We pick ours up next week. Thanks
We visited a Tesla dealership yesterday and they told us that the new federal legislation giving $8000.00 credit to EV's . We were told us that Tesla plans to gives us a full $8000.00 off the price of out Tesla's in 2022. WOW. We have an order in for the Model Y with the 4680 battery's. We will see what happens 8k off the price is a huge WOW for us.
You didn't mention that some cars have 3-phase charging or could be equipped with 3-phase charging when ordering the car. That is common in Europe. This leads to the "slow charging" at home being a bit faster. (Of course, this only applies to countries where 3-phase is delivered.)
Yeah, 3 phase in the USA is pretty much non existent for residential. 3 Phase is definitely faster at 11kW or 22kW depending on the area. But regardless of what you have, the AC charging on a Model 3 in the USA is 11.5kW using 240Vac if you have a charger that is 48A or higher.
@@redbaron6805 48A is unheard of here in Sweden. Normal household connections is 3×16A, 3×20A or 3×25A. (Standard 3-phase sockets are either 3×16A, 3×32A or 3×63A, but the higher amps sockets usually for industrial applications. Only 3×16A normally installed is you opted for it, or nowadays chargers with a charge plug. 230V per phase means 400V between phases.
@@gunnarparment5050 Yep, Europe has a lot of 3 phase. We only have a 240V single phase which is used as a split phase 120V. A typical panel here is around 150A to 200A. Most EV's can charge at 240V 32A. Tesla Model S/X can typically do 40A and Model 3/Y 48A. You can also do a Dual Charger option Model S/X at 80A but that is an option on both cars and then you need Tesla HPWC which supports 80A.
Excellent presentation! So well thought out! I am planning to buy an electric vehicle and this provides very necessary information. Thanks! I also love Blinkist-well worth the money.
Used Teslas sell for more than new right now, simply because people are impatient and want it NOW (Teslas have quite the waiting list now due to demand). I know someone who just sold a standard range 2018 Model 3 for 54k (enough to buy themselves a new long range).
@@aslye I got lucky. I grabbed the last 2020 Model S they had in their inventory right after they announced the refresh. I realized prices for their used cars wouldn't come down. I got a 2020 Model S LR with 21" wheels, FSD and 500 miles for $72k. Their 2018 models with standard wheels and much more mileage are selling for more than that now and I haven't seen a 2020 model on their used car list since I bought mine.
Awesome EV 101. While legacy automakers were sleepting, Tesla has been developing efficient battery management since 2004, even my 2015 MS only lost 5mi and I am over 90k miles now.
Completely disagree on not having a dedicated charger at home. The mobile charger, is to have on the car for emergencies, or charging on the road. Save the hassle of having to plug/unplug with every trip you make, by getting a dedicated charger. It's also a good idea to have a backup, in case one goes wrong, if not you will left without the ability to charge at home for several days, while Tesla ships a new one (and lately they been out of stock, so instead of days it could be weeks).
Sure but for many people they can just spend $275 on an extra mobile connector to keep in their car while the other one stays at home plugged into a 110 or 240 outlet without having to pay for a dedicated wall charger. Could save $1,000+
I use a dedicated 120v outlet and mobile charger every day for the last year. It's been fine so far. I rent, so I can't make changes unless I make a deal with the landlord to pay for a capital improvement. It's an old house, and the whole service would need upgrading to provide another circuit. Right now even the dryer outlet is only a NEMA 10-30.
I also prefer to keep the mobile connector in the car. I can't forget it, and it's always there in case of emergency. Adding the wiring for a NEMA 14-50 vs a Tesla Wall Connector is about the same cost - the wall connector uses heavier gauge wire, but only runs 3 wires instead of 4. It's not a wash, but the difference isn't that much. So in effect, the cost difference is between a second mobile connector AND a 14-50 adapter which totals $320 or the wall connector at $500. So it's on the order of $2-300 difference, not thousands. It's a much cleaner look and I can market my house as Tesla ready if we should ever sell.
Watching this now (almost a 6 months after this video was posted), but as a note, in the UK the Tesla granny charger (plugs into your standard socket) provides ~10 miles of range per hour for a Model 3.
At 7:14 into the video is the guy running backwards in the background behind the brick building or is it some camera trick filming the car driving backwards?
I don’t feel like I drive aggressively at all (I got Tesla a few weeks after you got yours) and my range is 292 now :( I wonder why it’s so much different.
This video is aimed at people deciding on an EV, so I'd suggest something more nuanced than "get a lot of range." It is the balance between range, charging speed, and charging network that matters. If you are doing long road trips as your main driving, charging speed is extremely important and maybe even the most important thing as long as there is enough range to go two the three hours on the highway (time between breaks). This ties in with the charging network being built out / dense enough to let you be confident you can find a fast charger. A new EV owner may not know that many people on long trips don't refuel like they do with a gasoline car. Instead of filling up, you top off as much as you can at each rest stop. You'll always have enough for a few hours driving, but you'll get lower and lower over the day until, at the end, you need a long charge. On the other hand, if you do a lot of regional trips, like for day adventures into remote areas, then range is going to be most important. Day hikes would be a good example, where you drive off to a remote area. I bought a Model 3 long range because it can charge faster than the standard range. It also turns out that the long range isn't quite enough for some hiking trips I want to do without a lot of waiting tie at Level 2 chargers. I encourage anyone evaluating EVs to go to one of the web sites that let you do EV trip planning. Put in different tpes of cars, like Model 3, Mach E, Bolt, etc., and see what the planned route looks like for charging. Make sure the site shows only sites consistent with your test vehicle. Botton line: You must simultaneously consider charging rate, range, and network. Depending upon your needs, any one of the three can be the determining factor.
That isn't true that EV's lose their value quicker than ICE cars. EV's are holding their value much better than ICE cars. For example, EV Audi, Porsche, Jaguar, Polestar, Mercedes etc are losing far less value than their petrol equivalent which drop like a stone.
@@aslye Agreed! I always have my key card in my wallet. And if lost, Tesla sells them at an affordable price (especially compared to the hundreds of dollars for an electronic fob).
If you care so much about range, go plug-in hybrid You end up refueling once every 2 months or so, but you have the convenience of gas stations being everywhere
I pick up my 2021 in a few days. The delays are terrible, only reason I’m even getting my car soon is bc I charged my order to the new battery pack. Ordered in July date went from mid September to November. Then after modified my ordered I received delivery date within weeks; however when the date came (mine u I had a one way plane ticket to pick it up) I was told in less then 24 hours it needed to be pushed back another few days…… mine u I had a plane ticket and took off work a few days for this event. It’s bad this happens but what’s makes it worse is they act as if it don’t matter.
Andy just ordered my model 3. (Long range)Just wanted to know it i can use another 240 charger without the Tesla end. (Used to lease a Chevy Volt) Also how do you use the ccs chargers if not near a tesla charging station?
Hi man, a suggestion, there are some people from the EU that are watching you, will be really helpful if you will put also the conversion like : - Miles to KM - temperature to Celsius - range
- Miles to KM About 7 freedoms - temperature to Celsius .3 healthcares, but only if you live in a progressive country - range Global, but probably staying out of the middle east for awhile
Bought my LR MY last Oct. Live in a development in NJ. There is a Supercharger 3 mls away. Can not wait to have my own garage to charge overnight. Just got the Plug Share app, thanks for the tips! ⚡️🔌🚗
3:05 my charging plan is to just charge at home and just take a plane for long distance like I always have lol. Why people drive long distance I will never understand its not worth it.
I always look forward to getting a notification that you've made a video..... great job as usual.....I had no idea the registration could be more expensive, I'll have to check for Ohio. 🤞🏾💜
The EPA estimates are quite optimistic. I'm sure if I granny drove my Niro EV I would achieve and even exceed the EPA estimates but that's not real life.
@@aslye Damn! Saw the green battery and just got excited. I don't remember being able to swipe on the left for those controls, I guess I missed that one lol
How much did the NEMA 14-50 Outlet cost to install? I want to get a rough idea because all of my electricians are charging $500 even though I want it installed right next to where the panel is. I feel like that is a little absurd.
That seems about normal. I would expect between $300 and $500. I have a friend of mine whose an electrician installing a tesla wall charger for me right by the panel. Which requires less parts and with the “buddy discount” it’s costing me between $200 and $300 he told me the other day.
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$2000 a year for insurance is pretty good. Which company is that with?
ZERO
I thought about having a gas car for road trips, or renting one. Then I took my first road trip in the Model 3, and... now, I wouldn't dream of taking anything else. Autopilot is so great for long highway drives, and the car is so comfortable. Superchargers are common on major routes. It takes longer to charge than to gas up, but on long trips you should really take longer breaks anyway.
Exactly
dude, EXACLY like me. just took a one week trip with my Tesla Mosel 3 SR. then took a second trip with my wife's gas car..and ohhhh boyyy...the difference is beyond words. Comfort, coolness, awesomeness and.... of my Tesla is mind blowing. My wife is now selling her car.
Right on man. It just changes the way you travel and once you change your pace it is superior to gas road tripping 💯 .
So what beats a Tesla? Another Tesla. I thought the same thing about my model 3 until we got a model y as our 2nd car. Now we take the model y instead - more room, better ride, and more range than our 2019 model 3.
@@bdtang is the model y suspension more comfortable over a model 3?
I have driven my 2021 M3 LR AWD 11,000 miles in four months including several long road trips. It’s absolutely brilliant.
Teslas are absolutely the best EV for road trips and for completely replacing a gas car 👍
I thought you were talking about a BMW M3 in this comment😂
How many miles are you at now? And how’s the car going?
Bro if I put 11,000 miles on an M3 in 4 months I'd cry. I love BMW but damn son that's about to get real expensive...
Talk to your landlord. Work with them to put in a "dryer" outlet where they can market it as a feature when you move out or other tenants. I pay $25 a month to charge and it's my parking spot. I have a cord with a meter in it and it's only about $18 a month in electricity. Fair trade off.
Do you live in an apartment or a house?
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Awesome video, very informative and accurate. Had my Tesla model 3 for 10 months already yet stick to watch the whole video.
Agree on all his points.
I would say only inconvenience is last minute trips, otherwise everything else is so much better.
Smoother rides, less driver fatigue using autopilot, easy of mind with a dash-cam built in for every minute you drive being captured in case of an accident.
Peace of mind when you park in public with sentry mode recording everything around your car.
No worries about maintenance, so far I only rotate my tires ones in 10 months, no worrying about oil changes, tune ups, smoke checks.
Lastly your car gets better with time as it gets updates that improve your car, you can’t say that about any other vehicle no matter the price.
Very good points Andy.
I still am really satisfied with installation of a wall connector day one!
With 44 miles/hr charge rate it makes charging at home never a issue.
Say you do drive a extreme amount during a day say 200-250 miles and get home with 10-20 left.
You will easily be able to leave again in a hour wile making it to town and back for say going out to dinner date or something.
A full charge from 0-100% is in less than 9 hour and typically daily driving 3-5 hours.
So far having two model 3's for my family has saved us so much.
The cars have literally been free compared to the cost of gas alone!
Take it easy man,
Casey
That's great to hear, Casey! I also enjoy the convenience of L2 charging at home. My Model 3 gets about 30mi/hr charging on my NEMA 1450 outlet. Can easily recharge from 0-100% overnight if needed.
I'm really glad that you mentioned additional registration fees in your video since that is so often overlooked. My state (Alabama) actively discourages EV ownership by banning direct sales, tacking on an additional $200 to annual tag fees, and not offering any off-peak charging incentives. As a duel EV household, it is still worth it but savings over an ICE vehicle add up more slowly.
I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
Alabama power has off peak hour charging rates available now.
Terrific video, Andy. Yes, you want to go into this with your eyes wide open.
I love my M3 SR+. My wife just replaced her aging Camry. She went through a process, from wanting another ICE vehicle to ending up getting a VW ID.4 EV. Having the Tesla here, seeing me use it daily, was a huge factor for her. So we are now an EV family!
On range, I’d just put in that I have found a shift in attitude and mindset helps. On our 1,100 mile family road trip in my Model 3, we simply combined our charging stops with needed breaks (meal, restroom, etc…). Also letting go of the “fill ‘er up” thinking kept our charging stops on the road to ~20 minutes - we never charged to 100%. In fact, in the 4 months I’ve had the car, I’ve only charged to 100% once. That’s been a huge time saver! (I’m planning a road trip from Sacramento to Louisville in the Spring, btw.)
Really enjoy your channel (your cat did a nice video bomb!). Keep up the great work.
Thanks for watching, Ernest!
@@aslye You might also mention there’s a federal tax credit for costs associated with getting a home charging station. 30% if I recall correctly. Every little bit helps!
@ernest z I am debating between a Tesla and an ID4. Since you have both, would you recommend the ID4?
@@cookinma It depends.
I personally would not get the VW. I wanted something very different than a typical car experience, and love the Tesla layout. It’s lack of buttons, switches, knobs, etc is something I really like. My wife wanted a more traditional driving experience, and with its layout and user interface (knobs etc…), the VW gives her that.
Other, more important, reasons I’d choose the Tesla are the years of experience and singular focus of Tesla with building EVs; the amazing Tesla supercharging next work; and the styling of the Model 3.
VW is new to EVs, and they’re primarily a builder of ICE vehicles, so at this point, EVs are a side business (though they’ve done a solid job here). The ID.4 does come with three years of free supercharging with their Electrify America system. Depending on your needs, that could be a big factor. We do 90% charging at home.
But I’ll say she certainly loves her ID.4, and the car has been performing very well. The software has some small glitches, but I expect those glitches to be worked out with time (for example, we cannot program the ID.4 to charge at a set time like the Model 3 - VW says they’re working on it). I think the choice all depends on your needs, wants, and hot buttons.
Edit: The VW does have some nice touches: Apple CarPlay; very nice interior lighting you can customize (my wife’s is set to purple); feels solid in ride, build, and quality; heated steering wheel and seats… It is not some bargain basement vehicle. It’s not as peppy as the Model 3, but it’s not dragging its butt. It has about the same range, but not quite as efficient.
I’d definitely recommend taking them both for a test ride. She drove a few EVs before deciding and that really helped her choose. Me? One drive of the Model 3 was it. Just like with my wife, it was love at first sight!
Hope that helps!!
@@ezpoppy55 thank you so much for your review, I feel the same way your wife does and I just leased an ID.4. So far I love it!!
I started watching your videos when I was waiting for my Model 3 to be delivered. Been a couple years now. Still watch your videos. Still use the accessories you recommend. Still love my Tesla.
Thanks Tommy, I appreciate the support!
One thing to keep in mind is if you are planning to sell your house anytime soon, you might consider going with the NEMA 14-50 plug instead of a Tesla charger. It charges slightly slower, but still gets the job done overnight. It won't be of much use to the new owners if they don't own a Tesla - the 14-50 plug is more flexible in that regard.
14-50 has worked for us over the last 14k miles. Be sure to install an indistrial-grade outlet rather than residential. It'll get more plugins than a stove outlet would typically.
And while at it electrify every garage and parking spot, your guests will appreciate it also, and resale value of that home will be much better in the electric smoker free future.
Just take the wall charger down and put a 14-50 plug in instead of that happens 🤷♂️
The wall charger is $550 and the 14-50 plug will cost a few dollars. Save yourself the money and get the 50 amp plug
@@matthewp1682 But how will you install it? I'm interested in the 14-50 plug to hook up in my garage. I have a 240 in my basement for my dryer hookup but how will I tap into it and run it to the garage?
My first and current car is a used 2015 Nissan Leaf. To this day it is still getting me to and from work with ease. Like you said, charging at home a super convenient.
I bought my model 3 when it was eligible for a 7500 tax credit and that was 3 years ago. The car is still worth almost what I paid for it, and with the credit applied I technically spent about the same as what it’s worth now 🙌🏾
If the Model 3 would actually hold the value they currently say it will, then the lease on a a Model 3 would be less than $200 per month with no money down. Its not. In fact, its actually higher than most other cars in its price range. Apparently, Tesla has zero faith that the current resale value will hold true much longer. If you want to know the true resale value, look at the S's depreciation. It will be 35% after 5 years just like most every other car as soon as the market floods with cars in a year. I would hurry up and sell that Model 3 while you can get good money for it.
Tesla is making truly sustainable cars. Depreciation is the biggest cost with a car. Teslas also hold their range exceptionally well. Other BEVs like the Nissan Leaf depreciate terribly and have range that degrades significantly after just a few years. Those kinds of BEVs are wasteful and not in line with the goal of sustainability. People need to look at the overall cost of ownership when they get a car and realize that Teslas aren't actually that expensive. The upfront cost scares people though.
I have a 120-130 mile round trip commute. I’ve heard you lose over 50% range in winter and it’s bad to always charge to max. For me in AK I’d need close to 400 miles because if I can only charge to 80% in winter most teslas will not be acceptable for a 120 mile trip. If there is traffic and it’s -10F out with the heat running an 80% charge on a long range model 3 will be under 100 miles…. Unless I don’t use the heater….
I like my Tesla model S but it has not been maintenance free. My car has had a failure of the main screen and the drivetrain. It has also required the 12 volt battery to be replaced about every 3 years and replacing the battery is not as cheap or easy as my ice vehicles. I've also had one door handle fail. The cost to get it fixed by Tesla is about $1,000. However I fixed myself for about $30 but it took me several hours. Tesla also originally recommend getting a maintenance checkup every couple of years and it was much more than my maintenance costs on any ice car I've owned. I've had the car since December 2014 and the range has dropped from 254 miles to about 230 miles. I have free supercharging for life so long distance travel is less expensive for fuel but needs to be balanced by higher cost for tires and additional hotel costs because it takes longer to travel a given distance because of charging time. One other thing is I live in California and I'm on an ev time of use electric rate with PG&E. The cost for electricity has increased greatly in the 6.5 years I have owned the car. I charge at home and have solar panels. PG&E has increased their rates and changed their time of use which has increased my overall electric costs greatly. In 2015 my total electric cost was $839, in 2016 it was $1,014. In 2020 it was $3,255. Some of the higher cost in 2020 was problems with my solar system but about $1,200 was a result of a change in the time of use schedule by PG&E. They increased the duration of the lowest cost rate from 7 am until 3 pm. This cut the amount I received for my solar generation. I believe as we increase solar generation eventually the highest cost electric rate will be at night. So charging an ev will be more expensive than today.
Thank you very helpful. Hopefully technology has progressed such that maintenance will be even lower.
New battery now that lasts longer.
28k on my LR AWD Model 3. Best car I’ve owned. Good insights here, Andy!
40k on mine. I'm down to 292 miles of range on a full charge though. How is your battery doing?
@@joshwilkesbooth 299 miles on my last full charge about a month ago. Acceptable degradation on my end.
@@sturat18 I'm just planning on leasing a Tesla or Polestar, so battery degradation is someone else's problem.
Do people actually buy cars these days?
@@sandersson2813 yeah if you drive a lot
The Hyunda/Kona vehicles have 240-260 miles per charge EPA ratings, but unless you drive like a madman you can get 330-350 mi on a charge easily. I bought a Niro-EV fourteen months ago and have zero regret. I only really pay for "fuel" on the occasional long trip using Electrify America stations. My home overnight charging is under $1 a week.
I will add that for those that own an EV and live in places that get winters, because you don’t use your brakes as often you’ll want to have the brakes lubricated. The lack of using the brakes combined with the winter ice melt and salt that they use on the roads will cause brakes to seize on an EV so make sure to keep an eye on that.
Good info to point out. I was shocked when I first heard of the maintenance cost for basically not using your breaks often enough. Is the brake system setup in a way that you can just make sure you get hard on the brakes once a week to activate them enough, or is it basically just if you live in that environment you're gonna have to get the lubrication service regardless?
@@rotorpanda it’s more of a if you live in an environment that’s gets winters kinda thing cause of the road salts and things used to de ice the roads
Just do some heavy braking once in a while. Not panic stopping, just hard enough to clean off the disks.
Hi Andy, I have always been a fan of your channel and videos, but I am confused why you promoted this video by “Avoid these” pointing to a level 2 charger (which is the best way to charge EV)? A click bite?
There is one problem with charging at home if you don't have a garage or at least a covered drive and don't have a fast charger. If it is too cold or hot, the phantom drain in just keeping the battery in an optimum temp range will drain it faster than the wall charging will charge the battery.
BTW, Michigan has no credit, rebait, or anything for buying an EV. Only thing you can get in Mich is the federal tax credit.
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Another big tip: if you are looking to lease your Tesla and are considering one with Enhanced AutoPilot or Full Self Drive; these are 'over the air' options so you can purchase them later. Meaning, why pay interest on having them in your lease deal when you can purchase those lower cost options later on on a 0% interest credit card! Be aware, as more options become available on Full Self Drive, the cost will go up. Today, the Full Self Drive is $12k in the US and £6800 in the UK. It will only go up! A good investment possibly?
1. Many people can get a 30% federal credit on home charging installation, and additional incentives through their local utility. My home charging installation, including the Wall Connector, was only 20% of the total cost. So definitely get a home charger if you can get a lot of rebates.
2. When you said "charge on a normal outlet" that wasn't a normal outlet - that was a NEMA 5-20. 25% more Amps than a normal outlet. :-)
Not sure where you got that from. He is showing a charging rate of 12A, which under NEC rules is 80% of 15A which is a standard outlet. A 20A outlet would charge at 16A or 80% of 20A.
@@redbaron6805 A standard NEMA 5-15 outlet would have 3 holes in it: 2 vertical slits and a round grounded wire. The thing is, one of the vertical slits in the plug he's using also has a horizontal slit in it, making a "T" shape. That means it's a NEMA 5-20 outlet, capable of 20 Amps. Just do a Google image search for a 5-20 and you'll see the difference. These lines are typically not shared with any other plugs so you get the full 20 Amps, great for a strong 120V connection for a car charger.
The reason the charging session is running as if it's plugged into a 15A circuit is because he's using a NEMA 5-15 adapter on his Mobile Connector. 5-20 outlets are backward compatible with 5-15 plugs, and the devices that connect to them only draw up to 15A. You have to buy Tesla's NEMA 5-20 adapter, with one of the vertical slits being horizontal to only allow entry to a true NEMA 5-20 outlet, to pull 20A (or 80% thereof as you mentioned) from that outlet.
Hope that makes sense.
Yes, sufficient range is probably the most important consideration. But if you’re not doing the daily drive and trips in extreme cold, the SR+ will do really well for lower cost. We’ve had ours just under 2 years, and it continues to surprise us.
Andy, great video as always! Thank you for bringing up the increased cost for EV annual registration. TN is sadly one of the states that charge way more for having an EV.
Just 100 a year right?
Well, with an BEV you don't pay any taxes on gas for the roads, so it typically isn't a bad deal
Add West Virginia to the list. I just discovered they add $400-$500 to a 2 year registration!
Mistake #2, don't dismiss other non-Tesla chargers; there are great options available from JuiceBox, Grizzl-e, ChargePoint, Pulsar Wallbox, etc. that can charge Tesla and as well as other EVs with CCS plug
I disagree with your advice regarding the 120 VAC charging. Even if you normally only drive 30 to 50 miles a day, if an unexpected trip comes up this will certainly become a problem. Installing a 240 VAC outlet normally should not be very expensive and will allow charging at off-peak times as well as lowering any anxiety about available range. One hour charging at 240 VAC is equivalent to 4.25 hours at 120 VAC. I think most people would consider this a big deal.
Thank you for your video. It prepared me mentally for owning a EV. I am in the market for one too. Quite frankly, I'm tired of the gasoline prices. I live in Canada and the price for gasoline is much higher than it is in the US. I paid up to $400 Cdn a month. So its time to say "bye bye" to gasoline.
Just bought a Kia Niro EV, thanks for mentioning the make. Whatever KIA says the range will be, you will exceed it in most cases. 80%charge will get you about 250 miles realistically. Around town in the summer I routinely go over 5mi/kwh and highway about 4.1 doing 70-75 mph. I live in an apartment which makes charging a bit problematic. However, the charging infrastructure in NE NJ is expanding rapidly. They're popping up like mushrooms after a good rain. Up until last week NJ was giving $5k towards the purchase of an EV below $45k, $2k between between $45k-$55k and zero above that. Not everyone has $7500 in federal tax liabilities especially if you're retired.
We liked the M3 and would of bought one except that when I compared insurance prices the Tesla was double the Niro EV costs. The primary reason is the proprietary nature of Tesla parts and repairs and perhaps some drivers of Tesla's adding to this repair shop demand and added liability by being a bit to confident perhaps(we've all seen the videos) - a higher serious accident rate. You must go to Tesla for everything. The only thing your local NAPA store carries in the way of parts for Tesla's is windshield washer fluid. So you need to pay thru the nose to repair a Tesla if the need arises.
I really love this channel. Keep doing what you are doing. I don’t have a Tesla yet but this channel helps me to get ready 😊
I’m getting 535 Kms on a full charge with my Kona Electric. It’s rated for 415 Kms.
Andy you've absolutely NO idea how good your "crappy single car garage" really is, you wanna see mine!!!!
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I feel that the " HIGH TECH " safety features are what really make Tesla so successful whether they're fully electric ,gas/ electric hybrid ,plug in hybrid ect .
Great! Thank you! I was concidering getting an EV but live in a Flat in Tower Block and charging on the street at all time is not convinient so I give up for now till long range options become more affordable.or a norm at no extra cost. And YES, anything bellow 300 milese range is no go if you do not live in a house and be able to charge at home.
Just got my model 3. Tesla started providing in house insurance starting last week in states other than California! my policy was only 151.00 ***however the rate will change each month based on driving performance.
You do NOT have to "owe" the IRS $7500 to get the full tax credit. If your total tax liability for the year is over $7500 you will get the full amount, regardless of how much you owe when filing, or how large your refund would be. You will end up owing $7500 less or getting a $7500 larger refund.
Another great vid, Andy. Thank you!!
Spirited driving means my tires last about 22,000 miles :-)
You are lucky your indicated range is the same after three years. My 2018 LR AWD has lost 20 miles of indicated range after 38,000 miles.
That is not really a cause for concern. Most of the EV range drops in the early days, first couple of years, then levels off after that. Even after 8 years, my Model S still has over 90% of the original range. Most people report a drop of 2% to 3% for the first year or two, then the range drops around 1% a year after that.
@@redbaron6805 For the Model S and X, that does seem to be the pattern. The Model 3 has different chemistry and isn't faring as well.
@@JeanPierreWhite I haven't seen what you are referring to. All EV's will lose some range initially which then slows down after 2 to 3 years. I'm not aware of the Model 3 being any different. Keep in mind on a Model 3 LR, 20 miles is barely 6% of range.
I lost about 15% range in my first year / year and a half. And with lifetime 210 wh/mi, I feel like it must be battery degradation. (I drive 2019 standard range)
You are probably in the lot of idiots who overcharge or leave to charge until under 10%.... you can lie and say no but the majority of us 3 owners have no had battery degradation
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Terrific and very informative. And indispensable comments from many other experience EV users. Thank you all
Great video Andy, very helpful
Going electric + solar = heaven!
It really is absurd. My second array I put in to offset my EV, up to 10K miles a year, it is 8 panels (2560watts) with Enphase microinverters, cost me $2600 after $900 Federal tax credit. It will pay for itself in 5 years, drive completely free minus new tires / air filter / washer fluid basically.
*living in California and looking at east prices* ...
Yeah, EV makes sense.
Excited to get my M3 LR at the end of the month! :)
I will most likely charge it (for free) at work, 3mi away
Great video. Just to note that there are several apps that will help you plan longer trips with your EV (depending on your car) that will show you where to charge up along the way. Tesla has a great network but others don't. Car & Driver has a recent issue where they had a 1,000 mile drive test in different models & Tesla comes out on top for having more charging stations along the way. Hopefully, more gas stations will start having charging stations as well...
Get a faster charger, because if you are going on a longer trip in a short time and you are close to 0 percent and you want to be fully charged it would be close to 3-4 days to fully charge if you don’t want to spend money at a supercharger. I have a Model S Performance.
The charger is built into the car. The only thing you change is the amount of power you can provide for it.
Great Video but the other point that needs to be considered is the Co2 footprint associated with the % of the electricity an EV car (KY is 69% or 4th highest in the nation) buyer's state produces using coal.
That is a fair point, although out of this control. But as late as 2018, the SRTV region under the EIA map shows the MPG equivalent of this Model 3 being charged in that region around 83MPG equivalent. Now, it is as impressive as the upstate NY region of 306 Mpg or CA at 161 Mpg? No.
But it is still far better at well over 3x the average gasoline car MPG which is around 26Mpg.
I vowed when getting my license that I’d never buy a gas car. My parents bought my first car a Honda. Meanwhile I was saving my money for a Tesla, this March I took delivery of a model 3
I wish just one of you guys with these videos would show a comparison of your electric bill the month before you bought your electric car and the next couple of months after.
I bought the Mach-E. After reviewing my electric bill I get between 74 to 80 mpg against today's gasoline costs. Obviously this will change with the cost of electricity and gasoline.
@@brian3.2 why is it always a riddle with you guys? How much did your electric bill go up? Simple friggin question.
Thx for a great video! Great that you don’t have to spend as much on service as a petrol car. Hopefully Tesla (and all other EVs) will tell you to replace brake fluid. No matter the car (EV or petrol) brake fluid needs replacing regularly. Considering how automated every aspect of an EV is including service schedule alerts I guess this is a non-problem but in my mind still worth mentioning since it is critical for brake performance.
GREAT video…. Thank you
Thank you, Andy. I am considering purchasing a Model Y. I live in Minnesota and found that they do not have any sort of rebate for EV (bummer) but still going forward. Going to check with an electrician to install a proper plug for the vehicle and check with my insurance. You did a great job explaining and were very informative.
Just a note or two of advice, you could install a 14-50 outlet, but a 6-50 is another option too. It's what I did, one less large current carrying wire to run, so it should be cheaper. 240v air compressors and welders also use the 6-50 plug, so I can use it for other things if needed. The only real dual use with a 14-50 is if you also wanted to plug in an RV. The 6-50 mobile connector adapter from Tesla is a few bucks cheaper too. Also, if you go that route and plan to plug/unplug the charger from the wall a lot, make sure they install a Hubbel brand receptacle. They are actual industrial grade and maintain a better connection over repeated plug cycles. They are built much more substantially than the $12 ones from HD/Menards. Charging at the full 32 amps from the mobile connector makes everything warm, any weakness in the connection would not be good.
I actually ended up going with the very robust Grizzl-e EVSE instead, it uses 8ga wire in the cable instead of 10ga in the Tesla unit. (Grizzl-e cable stays more flexible in these cold MN winters too) And I didn't want to be locked into a Tesla only charger, in case someday I decided to get something else, or got an electric motorcycle or something.
Lastly, I've found it's unnecessary to charge at the max amperage (32-40a), it's a lot less efficient as it creates quite a bit of heat everywhere; the conduit with the wire coming from the breaker panel, the charger cable, and the inboard charger. Lots of waste heat from the radiator when I charge that fast. I set it to 20A and can replenish my 120mi commute in 6-7hrs overnight and everything stays cool. I was surprised the 6ga copper wire from the breaker panel even got warm, that's rated for 60a continuous.
Be sure to check with your power company. I live in Brandon, South Dakota and Sioux Valley Energy is our power company. They offer a $500.00 rebate to buy the Tesla wall charger if you agree to sign up for “time of use” billing. We pay less for our power between 10am-4:00 and 9pm-7am. I charge over night as well as use things like the dishwasher and washer/dryer during non-peak hours. It has saved me money and charging over night really makes sense anyway. So be sure to check with your local power company.
Outstanding video. Thanks!
I went shopping around for EV. Tesla Model 3 is clear winner compared to Nissan Leaf. The Nissan dealer wanted same price that translates to same monthly lease or loan payment compared to Tesla terms. The Leaf is about 60 miles less range. Dealer markups makes Tesla hard to beat.
I once talked to a doctor who a Chevy Volt, and he told me owned it for just over 2 years and has replaced the Battery pack 3 times at about 8 grand each time. The reason, he parks it in a heated garage at home, but outdoors at work and that is in Toronto Ontario Canada. The reason he had to replace the batteries, they froze. and would not charge anymore. And the temps do go much below - 10 Celcius, or about 14 F, we do get lower for a couple days a year but never -20 or a bit lower for no more than 3 or 4 days at atime
GM sucks, should have bought a Tesla.
I don't understand this comment. If he has owned it for two years it would be under warranty. In Canada, at least, the warranty on the battery pack is 8 years or 160,000km, whichever comes first. The price of replacement, even if this comment were true, which I highly doubt it is, would not matter.
Super tips. Thank you.
Andy, thanks for the videos!!! We jumped in and bought a Longer Range Model Y a day after the big price drop. I heard you say you are from Kentucky and was wondering what you would say the total price of electricity does it cost to charge to 100% for 330. We pick ours up next week. Thanks
I think people that are unfamiliar with Ev'sneed to realize that you can get a substantial portion of your charge in very short time.
We visited a Tesla dealership yesterday and they told us that the new federal legislation giving $8000.00 credit to EV's . We were told us that Tesla plans to gives us a full $8000.00 off the price of out Tesla's in 2022. WOW. We have an order in for the Model Y with the 4680 battery's. We will see what happens 8k off the price is a huge WOW for us.
Electrify America is insanely expensive in my area!
You didn't mention that some cars have 3-phase charging or could be equipped with 3-phase charging when ordering the car. That is common in Europe. This leads to the "slow charging" at home being a bit faster. (Of course, this only applies to countries where 3-phase is delivered.)
Yeah, 3 phase in the USA is pretty much non existent for residential. 3 Phase is definitely faster at 11kW or 22kW depending on the area. But regardless of what you have, the AC charging on a Model 3 in the USA is 11.5kW using 240Vac if you have a charger that is 48A or higher.
@@redbaron6805 48A is unheard of here in Sweden. Normal household connections is 3×16A, 3×20A or 3×25A. (Standard 3-phase sockets are either 3×16A, 3×32A or 3×63A, but the higher amps sockets usually for industrial applications. Only 3×16A normally installed is you opted for it, or nowadays chargers with a charge plug. 230V per phase means 400V between phases.
@@gunnarparment5050 Yep, Europe has a lot of 3 phase. We only have a 240V single phase which is used as a split phase 120V. A typical panel here is around 150A to 200A. Most EV's can charge at 240V 32A. Tesla Model S/X can typically do 40A and Model 3/Y 48A.
You can also do a Dual Charger option Model S/X at 80A but that is an option on both cars and then you need Tesla HPWC which supports 80A.
Excellent presentation! So well thought out! I am planning to buy an electric vehicle and this provides very necessary information. Thanks! I also love Blinkist-well worth the money.
DONT do it!!!!!
Used Teslas sell for more than new right now, simply because people are impatient and want it NOW (Teslas have quite the waiting list now due to demand). I know someone who just sold a standard range 2018 Model 3 for 54k (enough to buy themselves a new long range).
Yeah pretty crazy www.tesla.com/inventory/used/m3
@@aslye I got lucky. I grabbed the last 2020 Model S they had in their inventory right after they announced the refresh. I realized prices for their used cars wouldn't come down. I got a 2020 Model S LR with 21" wheels, FSD and 500 miles for $72k. Their 2018 models with standard wheels and much more mileage are selling for more than that now and I haven't seen a 2020 model on their used car list since I bought mine.
10:57. "use your gas car for road trips" Funny, I got my model 3 BECAUSE of all the road trips I was doing!!!
Awesome EV 101. While legacy automakers were sleepting, Tesla has been developing efficient battery management since 2004, even my 2015 MS only lost 5mi and I am over 90k miles now.
Completely disagree on not having a dedicated charger at home. The mobile charger, is to have on the car for emergencies, or charging on the road. Save the hassle of having to plug/unplug with every trip you make, by getting a dedicated charger. It's also a good idea to have a backup, in case one goes wrong, if not you will left without the ability to charge at home for several days, while Tesla ships a new one (and lately they been out of stock, so instead of days it could be weeks).
Agree 100%. We got a dedicated wallcharger installed and keep the mobile charger in the sub trunk.
Sure but for many people they can just spend $275 on an extra mobile connector to keep in their car while the other one stays at home plugged into a 110 or 240 outlet without having to pay for a dedicated wall charger. Could save $1,000+
I use a dedicated 120v outlet and mobile charger every day for the last year. It's been fine so far. I rent, so I can't make changes unless I make a deal with the landlord to pay for a capital improvement. It's an old house, and the whole service would need upgrading to provide another circuit. Right now even the dryer outlet is only a NEMA 10-30.
220 is also more energy efficient, uses 20% less energy I think.
I use a the NEMA 6-50 adapter with the regular charger. 44 km/h
I also prefer to keep the mobile connector in the car. I can't forget it, and it's always there in case of emergency.
Adding the wiring for a NEMA 14-50 vs a Tesla Wall Connector is about the same cost - the wall connector uses heavier gauge wire, but only runs 3 wires instead of 4. It's not a wash, but the difference isn't that much. So in effect, the cost difference is between a second mobile connector AND a 14-50 adapter which totals $320 or the wall connector at $500. So it's on the order of $2-300 difference, not thousands. It's a much cleaner look and I can market my house as Tesla ready if we should ever sell.
Watching this now (almost a 6 months after this video was posted), but as a note, in the UK the Tesla granny charger (plugs into your standard socket) provides ~10 miles of range per hour for a Model 3.
At 7:14 into the video is the guy running backwards in the background behind the brick building or is it some camera trick filming the car driving backwards?
Thanks Andy 👍.
i honestly opted for the dual motor for the faster 0-60 but i get better range in the long run so that’s good
I don’t feel like I drive aggressively at all (I got Tesla a few weeks after you got yours) and my range is 292 now :( I wonder why it’s so much different.
Always great info Andy 👍🏼💪🏼😎
I am 1:25 in and you are just posturing about resale values. You have value to add and I want to hear it but at 0:00
Tesla is superb 🔥🤩🤩🤩❤️
Thanks Andy - top stuff- regards from South Africa
This video is aimed at people deciding on an EV, so I'd suggest something more nuanced than "get a lot of range." It is the balance between range, charging speed, and charging network that matters. If you are doing long road trips as your main driving, charging speed is extremely important and maybe even the most important thing as long as there is enough range to go two the three hours on the highway (time between breaks). This ties in with the charging network being built out / dense enough to let you be confident you can find a fast charger. A new EV owner may not know that many people on long trips don't refuel like they do with a gasoline car. Instead of filling up, you top off as much as you can at each rest stop. You'll always have enough for a few hours driving, but you'll get lower and lower over the day until, at the end, you need a long charge. On the other hand, if you do a lot of regional trips, like for day adventures into remote areas, then range is going to be most important. Day hikes would be a good example, where you drive off to a remote area. I bought a Model 3 long range because it can charge faster than the standard range. It also turns out that the long range isn't quite enough for some hiking trips I want to do without a lot of waiting tie at Level 2 chargers. I encourage anyone evaluating EVs to go to one of the web sites that let you do EV trip planning. Put in different tpes of cars, like Model 3, Mach E, Bolt, etc., and see what the planned route looks like for charging. Make sure the site shows only sites consistent with your test vehicle. Botton line: You must simultaneously consider charging rate, range, and network. Depending upon your needs, any one of the three can be the determining factor.
Very good information. Great video. 👏👏👏👏👏👍🏾
That isn't true that EV's lose their value quicker than ICE cars.
EV's are holding their value much better than ICE cars.
For example, EV Audi, Porsche, Jaguar, Polestar, Mercedes etc are losing far less value than their petrol equivalent which drop like a stone.
I would add don’t let your phone die if it’s your only key.
Always keep the keycard as a backup
@@aslye Agreed! I always have my key card in my wallet. And if lost, Tesla sells them at an affordable price (especially compared to the hundreds of dollars for an electronic fob).
If you care so much about range, go plug-in hybrid
You end up refueling once every 2 months or so, but you have the convenience of gas stations being everywhere
I plan to buy a tesla in the future. Thanks for all the great information.
how much did you pay to the electrician to install the NEMA14-50? What is a reasonable price?
I pick up my 2021 in a few days. The delays are terrible, only reason I’m even getting my car soon is bc I charged my order to the new battery pack. Ordered in July date went from mid September to November. Then after modified my ordered I received delivery date within weeks; however when the date came (mine u I had a one way plane ticket to pick it up) I was told in less then 24 hours it needed to be pushed back another few days…… mine u I had a plane ticket and took off work a few days for this event. It’s bad this happens but what’s makes it worse is they act as if it don’t matter.
How many people buy a house to buy a Tesla?
Me too 😂
Lol
great advice. Thanks.
Andy just ordered my model 3. (Long range)Just wanted to know it i can use another 240 charger without the Tesla end. (Used to lease a Chevy Volt) Also how do you use the ccs chargers if not near a tesla charging station?
Hi man, a suggestion, there are some people from the EU that are watching you, will be really helpful if you will put also the conversion like :
- Miles to KM
- temperature to Celsius
- range
- Miles to KM
About 7 freedoms
- temperature to Celsius
.3 healthcares, but only if you live in a progressive country
- range
Global, but probably staying out of the middle east for awhile
very helpful! thanks andy
Bought my LR MY last Oct. Live in a development in NJ. There is a Supercharger 3 mls away. Can not wait to have my own garage to charge overnight.
Just got the Plug Share app, thanks for the tips! ⚡️🔌🚗
3:05 my charging plan is to just charge at home and just take a plane for long distance like I always have lol. Why people drive long distance I will never understand its not worth it.
I always look forward to getting a notification that you've made a video..... great job as usual.....I had no idea the registration could be more expensive, I'll have to check for Ohio. 🤞🏾💜
Unfortunately Ohio does charge more… my Tesla registration was just over $260
@@consistently_rachael What the heck, why?! I don't have a tesla yet, but my tags are roughly just over $100 for personalized plates.
Did you forget or you avoided talking about Hybrids? Just noticing, thanks for sharing and God bless.
The EPA estimates are quite optimistic. I'm sure if I granny drove my Niro EV I would achieve and even exceed the EPA estimates but that's not real life.
Does phamtom braking occur when you don't use TACC or Auto Steer?
Is that new UI at 8:45? Missing the green battery icon and never seen a swipe up on the left!
That’s actually the old UI from 2018!
@@aslye Damn! Saw the green battery and just got excited. I don't remember being able to swipe on the left for those controls, I guess I missed that one lol
Andy a great video a lot of important information before buying an electric car that maybe be a Tesla or not.
FTR, in some markets non Tesla EVs too keep their value better than petrol cars. It depends.
Thanks Andy it will help everyone...
@10:06, Tesla y is not available for 50K!! Might need an edit!
I don’t have home charger option my total driving 20 mile/ day can I charge once a week ?
Great video 👍
How much did the NEMA 14-50 Outlet cost to install? I want to get a rough idea because all of my electricians are charging $500 even though I want it installed right next to where the panel is. I feel like that is a little absurd.
That seems about normal. I would expect between $300 and $500. I have a friend of mine whose an electrician installing a tesla wall charger for me right by the panel. Which requires less parts and with the “buddy discount” it’s costing me between $200 and $300 he told me the other day.