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So in comparison to your vehicle I got my 2019 Corolla hatchback one year later, around mid April of 2019. I just turned over 50,000 miles, and I've had zero cost of ownership... Now I have had five oil changes in that time and 10 service appointments, but that was covered under the vehicle's warranty. And as far as I understand now I will be responsible for taking care of all of the oil changes so every 10,000 to 15,000 miles I need to change the oil which can cost anywhere from $35 to $80 depending if I have somebody else change it for me. As far as things have had to replace I had to replace a bad strut after hitting a pothole on the freeway cost me $255, and in the process of going through that I apparently caused damage to my tire which blew out on me on the freeway several months later and that tire alone ended up costing me $201 and I had to get a replacement room which I found used at the time for another $120. Nothing else has cost me anymore more money. Funny thing is I actually had a 2019 Tesla model 3 rear wheel drive extended model that I was really looking at at the time, took a test drive in and everything, it was one of their used models that they would give people test rides in I got a call from the Tesla service rep asking me if I wanted to get it for a sweet deal with full self-driving included. I ultimately ended up buying the Corolla instead and honestly at this point in time I don't feel like I made the wrong decision.
Repairs aren't as annoying a owing a Nissan, Chrysler, Fiat, Lincoln, Chevrolet, Cadillac....Even after going bankrupt, and having the government to bail them out, American manufacturers still have not learned their lesson. Quality sales better than junk.
My wife drives a 10 year old Toyota Corolla. I can’t even remember the last time I’ve spent money other than oil and filter changes. It also gets 50 miles to the gallon with its 1.5l engine.
@@wickedfiend7135 I am going to concur on your assessment that this is a lie. I have a 2009 toyota yaris with the same 1.5l engine and it gets about 42-43 mpg in ideal conditions. And that is with me hardly ever using the brake and not being a lead foot.
I’ve got a 13 year old Honda Accord Crosstour with 150,000 Miles, I’ve done all the maintenance and tune ups myself. Oil changes every 5k miles, air filters every 30k miles, serpentine belt every 60k miles, timing belt at 90k miles, spark plugs at 100,000 miles, alternator recently replaced at 145k miles, transmission fluid changed every 40k miles, brake fluid changed every 30k miles. All in total I’ve spent roughly $3k in maintenance and up keep on a 13 year old vehicle. And you only had your Tesla for how long? Yeah, I’ll stick with my gas burner Honda.
Due to where I live, my driving conditions according to my owners manual are classified under "severe". This means I require 5W-40 oil every 3,000 miles, and my service intervals are much shorter. So far, my car with 102,000 miles over 4 years has 34 oil changes totaling 40 dollars each (DIY, oil+filter)($1360), 3 cabin filter replacements ($120), 4 engine air filter replacements ($160), 1 coolant drain/fill ($70), 1 gear oil replacement ($200), front and rear brake pad replacements ($150), front brake rotor replacement ($300), rear damper replacement ($300), and an emergency tire replacement (1 tire blew out from hitting a pot hole which required a realignment, $425). This is $3085 over roughly the same time span as you. Include the fuel price over that 102,000 miles at the AK average of $3.50 for premium fuel at 34 MPG average for 90% highway driving, and that is $13,585 in fuel and maintenance costs over 4 years. The same amount of electricity for a Tesla Model 3 Performance over the same distance would save me approximately $5,000, and if the maintenance costs are similar to yours, that saves another $1,500. I would have over $6,000 more in my pocket over 4 years if I was driving an electric vehicle instead of a gasoline powered vehicle.
@@victorvandyke9898 2017 Hyundai Elantra Sport. The engine is rated at 32 MPG highway, but it frequently gets 34 MPG traveling at the 65 MPH limit on the highway here.
@@Resist4 The "severe" conditions that I qualify for, which are hilarious, are that I live in a very hilly area. That's it. I figure I rather would not take the chance anyway. The warranty has expired now anyway, so I'm gonna be tip-toeing my way until I can get a Tesla.
@@CalculatedRiskAK a hilly area is even more reason why you couldn't possibly get 34mpg. Gas mileage is never made up going downhill, what if burns going uphill.
So far based on your experience I would definitely say the maintenance costs are cheaper than owning a newer gasoline European car like a VW or BMW. However Tesla still has a long way to go with their build quality issues.
ICE tech has been around for over 100 years, all the "basic" maintenance from sparkplugs and oil changes to head gaskets and timing belts can all be done at home with little more than an adjustable wrench. And just about every part is open source at this point, so you can always pick up a CNC mill and a 3D printer (only costs about $3k for a good quality of each) to make your own parts for pennies on the dollar for anything exotic, vintage or otherwise rare. If you get a good engine though, you might get over 2 million miles without needing any significant repairs. I've got an old E350 with 2.5M miles on the engine, transmission got replaced by the previous owner as a precaution a little after the odometer rolled over the first time at 1M, but the only maintenance I've had to do since was replace filters and change the oil. The one fuel filter needs to be replaced more frequently, but only because that tank is the biodiesel I use for most of my driving. (fuel can be as cheap as free or as much as $2.50/gal, and I can fill up at home or while I'm having a quick meal)
I glad you are happy with your EV. I will keep my 2012 Camry. I has just passed the 250000 mile mark. Only tires, oil changes, and a tune up or two, still have the original battery. Yes you may pay less to per mile to charge but I can go across country without charging worries. 5 mins and I have a full tank ready to drive as long as I want. Just my option.
I have a 2010 Camry and my battery died 3 years ago. I guess unless you want to use an onsite service, it is about time for you to get a new battery. I only use my camry in the city and have never gone over 60km each day. It means that if I get an EV, I do not even need to install a level 2 charger at home to make it work. I only need to plug it to the wall, normally 14 hours a day, and I can go without worrying about tank refilling. Just my option.
The Camery , is one of the best overall transportation tools in the world. The 4 cylinder versions are one of the most reliable cars money can buy. The Camry is a horrible car to drive. Just horrible. Good luck staying awake on those long trips. Horrible.
Drove a Toyota Tacoma for 6 years. Maintenance included one set of tires, 3 sets of wiper blades, 6 oil changes, and one air filter. Performed all maintenance myself except for state inspection and mounting tires. I think EVs will have a rough time earning market share unless they become much less expensive.
EVs don't even actually win at cost of fuel, diesel beats them there. Get it running on biodiesel and you basically never need to pay a single cent for fuel ever again.
Yup.. my 14 year old FJ Cruiser…. Gas, oil, tires and brakes…. Say that about a 14 year old Tesla or EV… never gonna happen…. And don’t forget the super high cost of insurance on a EV….
That seems like a lot of service issues in the first 5 years. I'm at 45k and year 3 on my Corolla Hybrid and so far it's been oil changes (4 changes so far About $30 per change with the first 2 being free), an air filter at $18 and a Cabin Filter at $15. I will need tires in about 15k miles but tires for the hybrid are only about $480. No other issues. It really seems like Tesla's fit and finish and long term reliability needs some work.
Maybe he got a car made on a Friday or the day before a holiday or the first day after. Those cars tend to have more manufacturing mistakes. That is a problem for all the auto manufacturers.
I have a 2015 prius, oil changes and tires changes that is it. I have 153k on it. I took over all maintenance once the free maintenance was up. But still it's only oil, tires. Will need to get my hood repainted as the daughter while learning to drive got too close to a barbed wire fence, since it is not a tesla if I had to buy the hood can buy one even an aftermarket one do that with your tesla. But instead it only needs to be sanded, maybe one coat or primer final sand and paint. Will run me a couple hundred.
I have a 1996 2.7L Toyota 4wd Tacoma 5 speed manual, it has 225,000 miles on it. Other than tires, synthetic oil, two new sets of belts and hoses, sparkplug wires. I am on my fourth change of sparkplugs. One change of front brake pads. I do change the air filter yearly. The clutch will probably have to be replaced before 300,000. I am gonna have to recover the seat soon. There have been a few burnt out lights. All my inside control switches, heaters, windows doors have all been trouble free. Replaced the front windshield when it was hit by a rock. Highway milage is 25mpg and 18mpg in town. I did put mag wheels on it and drilled a little hole in the original muffler to drain condensate which is still intact along with the rest of the exhaust. AC still works perfect. I do not understand why people would buy anything other than Toyotas or Hondas with old proven technology. I can do all the simple maintenance myself. It will be a long while if I can help it before I will be forced to buy an electric vehicle. I have previously owned two other Toyotas and they were nearly as trouble free. I can buy a lot of gasoline ($67K initial and new batteries every 100K is a good deal are you kidding??) and will be a bezillion Biden dollars ahead of all you electric car owners guaranteed. Good luck to all you electric car owners. I believe electrics are the future but they still have a long long way to go.
Oil Changes alone would drive up the cost, as it is the most frequent maintenance on gas cars depending on the price of oil. Brake pads and rotors will be replaced in sometime, and engine coolant, plus other fluids; Easily your maintenance is a steal.
$100/year for an oil change, ~$350 / 100k miles for break pads (rotors only need to be swapped if you scar them), Radiator Fluid... $20 at Walmart not seeing the "Steal of a Deal" here
Excellent review - I think your repair history is acceptable - I think 2 cents per mile is actually very good. Thanks Andy - you always do an excellent job with your videos - you really come across well and naturally
Ryanken Aquiler $60,000 plus the highest resale value of any modern car. The upfront cost of a car is extremely inconsequential to people like him when the resale value is so high. When you’re not worried about making the payments every month, the only cost that really matters to you are repair costs and resale value
@@philorgneopolotin8762: If you flail your arms and pump hard enough, do you think it will help your Tesla stock short term? Disclosure: I'm net long Tesla for the long term, but believe being honest should trump everything else.
@King_of_The_North lmao. Before u made that comment what research have u done lil guy? A completely wrecked model s runs 15k 😂😂😂. Maybe king of the north but as far as knowledge goes youre a peasant.
I have a 2019 Model 3. I have about 74,000 miles on it. So far I have repaced the two rear tires. That cost me $350.00. I need replace the front tires now. I'm very happy with my Model 3!
Bullshit. 74k miles on a single set of tires and only replacing rear tires? You must be pushing it to the legal limit at that load weight and with your tread. No f-ing way. Your lying
@@hondafanboy1856 the tires on new vehicles, especially cars are called B class tires. They don't last as long as tires bought in a store. Because car manufacturers buy a huge quantity of tires, they try to lower costs by getting cheaper tires. Most new car tires will only last about 50,000 miles. The tore manufacturers specifically make these tires for auto plants. You cannot buy them in a store .
In the video at 2:34 he talks about if you have to replace the battery pack it will cost you on average $5,000. That price is to rebuild your battery pack and NOT what it would cost for a new pack. Most Tesla's use 18650-type, 2170-type cells and these packs area rebuildable. But the new 4680 cell battery pack used in some North American Model Y, are NOT rebuildable. If you have a 4680 cell battery pack and your warranty has runs out and there is a problem with the cells or the electronics in the pack, you have to replace the pack with a brand new one costing $16,000 to $20,000. The 4680 cells will be used in Tesla's Cybertruck, Semi, and Roadster models, as well as the upcoming Model S and Model X refresh.
Ordered a Model Y cash, I drive 39,000 miles a year buddy so this will either get lemon lawed in 5 months or be the best car ever. Prior car was IS350 I had for 9 years and put 240,000 miles on it with almost no maintenance but oil, spark plugs, tires. It ran like new until someone totaled it.
Andy, I own a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard Plus. I have over 32,000 miles on my Model 3. Since buying it in December of 2019, I just replaced my tires and spent over $1,300 (as I decided to replace them with the factory tires). Tesla has completed some minor repairs and it has not costed anything out of pocket. They are pretty good at covering warranty issues. The only issue I have with mine is my driver's seat. It will go forward and backward sometimes, and sometimes it will not work. It has been like that since I bought it in 2019. They replaced parts with the seat, and still have not fixed the issue. Other than that, it's an amazing vehicle! Keep up the good work! I love your videos!!!
I own the closest an ICE vehicle gets to a Tesla in terms of cost to own and operate and that’s a Toyota Prius. In 5 years I’ve done nothing but oil changes (first 2 or 3 free from Toyota), wipers, air filters I did myself, and tires once for $400 and rotations. I lose about $5k on trade in value but otherwise it’s a great, cheaper alternative to EV. And it cost me $24k brand new off the lot.
As a Toyota owner (x4) who drives 30k-40k miles a year, I was surprised at how much a Tesla cost you at only the 75k mark. It exceeds the the cost of repairs/maintenance for all 4 of my Toyotas combined at that same 75k mark.
About the same as my 13’ Ford Fusion with 89K miles. I’ve had no issues other than routine oil change, brakes, and tire replacements. I love Tesla but am surprised with the reliability issues you had.
@Oscar Thorpe Fortunately I sold it two months ago. Had 93k miles on it in total, with nothing other than a battery change. A very reliable car in my opinion.
My 2014 Toyota Prius is the lowest maintenance car that anyone in my family has owned. After 60,000 miles I’ve shelled out about $1,500 on scheduled maintenance and tire replacement. So despite the fact that it’s never had anything that needed to be repaired, the 10,000 mile service interval and one set of tires has cost as much as all your service combined. If you ignore tires (mine were only about $400 for the set) your total bill is less, and you’ve driven 15k miles more.
I owned a 2007 Prius that I bought new for $26k and had until 2019 and it was seriously the most reliable and least expensive thing. Boring as all hell, but dependable.
I had a Prius for several years. It was very economical to service until a headlight bulb burnt out. They wanted to charge me over $500 for a replacement. I looked at several RUclips videos and changed it myself for about $20. I lodged a complaint with Toyota and got a apology letter and an offer of a free oil change. That's when I decided to stop buying Toyotas. I have a 2020 Model 3 and have not had a single repair or problem for the last year. I'm now moving to Model Y.
@Boy George This is very true and what I saw from selling cars, the sells department made very little compared the the service center. This is also why I do most of my own servicing now except changing the oil plus I just don't trust any service(from most brands) center they rush the work and leave thing loose or un clipped.
@@FONFBand Im old enough to remember when Japanese cars first came to N.America.They quickly dominated with their quality and price. The key for Toyota...expensive parts compared to the big 3. The gift that keeps giving! This was a reverse policy coming from the Detroit automakers.
Andy, we have a 2021 Model Y Tesla and 2021 Toyota Rav 4 Limited Hybrid. We have 16,770 miles on the Tesla. Our experience is the Tesla is cheaper to drive and operate. We charge the Tesla at home 95% of the time as many EV users do. Zero problems with the Tesla for us.
It would be interesting to compare this with cost of maintenance for hybrid cars, and gas cars, but also include the gas cost and depreciation. The way that Teslas hold their value, even with higher maintenance costs than many gas cars, you might still come out on top. I think the hybrids from Toyota are still pretty low maintenance and gas cost isn't so bad, but there is a big difference driving a prius and a model 3 (I can say this having owned both) Tesla Model 3 is the best car I've ever owned.
Toyotas in general hold their value pretty well because people know they're reliable. Teslas may have lower cost maintenance but the model 3 is double the price of a Toyota prius. Yes there is a big difference because the prius is cheap, all about economy and 0 performance. Not that surprising that his tesla had low maintenance cost. It only has 73k miles. Let's see what happens after 100k and 200k.
Owned a 2018 civic. In 3 years I put on 106k miles. I’ll list the estimated repair cost here: Cost of car: 24500 total ~Cost of gas~ avg mpg: 35 total miles: 106k gallons: 3030 average gas cost: 3.50/gal Cost of fuel: $10600 ~maintenance~ Oil changed with filter every 7.5-10k Oil cost: 10 quarts/25 dollars Oil changes done: 15 Quarts per oil change: ~3.7qt Total quarts: 55 Cost of oil: 140 dollars Cost of filters changed each time: $12 Cost of filters total: $180 Total cost: of oil changes: $320 Brakes: I had about 70% when I changed it at 90k I forget how much it cost but let’s guess $110 for the ceramic pads New tires at about 640 with a discount Total cost of car: 24500+ 10600+ 320+640+110 36170. At that point a Tesla MAY be worth it to some.
Next month ill have nu LR for 2 years, 66k miles and havent had to pay anything extra. But i did have one major problem, drive train died while at a stop sign at around 60k miles. Luckily all covered and got a “new motor.” Im on my recently installed 3rd set of tires. Loving the car and no other issues.
We only have 15K miles on our 2021 Model Tesla. We have been rotating the tires every 5K miles. Our next cost may be tires down the road. We charge the car at home 95 % of the time. We also have ordered another Model Y with the 4680 battery and are looking forward to the delivery.
Even though it is covered by warranty, I would still like to know the total costs of each fix. If those things broke, they may break agin. And I would like to know how much it would cost to fix anyway.
My 26 yr old dodge ram has 350000 and has cost me around 9000.00 in the 11 yrs I owned it including the purchase price of 1300.00 .the transmission went at 280000. Cost 3200 . The engine is still running 90 percent efficient. Doesn't use a drop of oil. And I get 13 L/100 km highway. Been a good truck.
I own a 2012 mazda 3 with 125,000miles on her. I bought her when she had 32,000miles. I so put 93,000miles on her in 6 years. I've done the oil every 5,000miles myself for all 6 years. Liqui moly oil only with mobil1 oil filter costing $50 which equals $900 in oil changes total. Replaced tires 2 times equaling $600 total. Brakes and suspension 1 time total equalling $200. So $1,700 total in maintenance over 93,000miles driven is why I love mazda. For a gas car it's pretty competitive with EV cars.
Some useful info about service for new Tesla owners, I'll upload a video about it soon: I just picked up my Tesla in Poland last week. I had complaints about panel gaps, paint issues, dirt on the white seats etc. and they said I'd have to come back and schedule a service appointment. I live in another city so I had to drive ~1000 km (both ways) and the service fixed only 30% of the minor issues, even though they knew what the big issues were. They said I have to come back for another service appointment so they can order parts and fix the other issues. So I have to drive 1000km again, pay for a hotel, parking, take days off of work. Super frustrating experience for a new car... p.s "FSD" is an absolute joke in Europe, it's super nerfed and not worth it for now.
They gave us 'Enhanced Autopilot' in the meantime as a cheaper option that makes use of the vast majority of the features. Thanks to our amazing regulations, things really are broken in terms of Autopilot outside of highways. On highways it works great though, would be cool to have the automatic lane changes without confirmations though! Service Centers seem to vary drastically, some can be amazing, and others terrible. It's something Tesla really needs to iron out! I've been extremely lucky to not need a single service appointment in my year and a half of ownership.Ny Model 3 Performance (August 2019 build) came with great quality paint, no noticeable defects/serious panel gaps, and no other issues I can find to date besides some small rattles that I plan to fix myself some day when I have the motivation for it. :)
I completely agree. I have had a similar experience in Spain the guy delivering the car to me told me to schedule an appointment to solve the problems, worst experience ever. I also got the 14 days enhanced autopilot recently which is quite useless but I understand it is because of european regulations. Anyway, be strong and hopefully all defects will be solved and you'll enjoy the car. My problem now are with rattles... I enjoy silence and rattles are very annoying.
My M3 had similar issues and the big problem was Tesla was trying to save money so they gave the car to an unauthorized body shop and they made it even worse. I took it to a body shop that works on exotic cars and the main guy couldn’t believe the trunk and the doors were so bad that he said they can’t even fix it. Be careful with buffing the doors because from what I understand the doors have very little paint on them and if they are buffed you might not have any paint left.
You shouldn’t take the delivery first hand if you see paint issues . That’s what Tesla rep recommend to me , the next car was perfect , no issues for me
FSD is a joke thanks to EU regulation, who somehow absolutely destroyed FSD. They set limits on how much the wheels turn. Which makes it impossible for cars to turn corners. It’s idiotic legislation.
@@lindanomercy8489 indeed maybe in the future i will be able to buy a cheaper car from tesla but now im quite poor and the infrastructure here in Romania its disapointing..+ here many pleople are poor and cant afford one only ICE cars
@@netrox1345 same because im from russia and people are pretty poor here too xd also my family has very very close friends from Romania, so chemaifache! (I dont know how to spell that)
I drove a Honda CR-V for 15 years. I put in 266k miles Paid it off in under 4 years and didn't have a car payment in 11 years The biggest expense were getting my radiator welded to repair a leak) and replacing the clutch after 13 years This seems more affordable to me than an EV
10 years are what most Canadians are used to for car ownership if not longer. And many people buy second hand cars with over 200 0000 miles as on inexpensive choice, saves a lot on insurance and simple basic loan with extremely low interest rates etc. Some people Only purchase second hand cars exclusively. Basic car maintenance knowledge and you save a tonne on repairs. Plus it utilizes the concept of reuse for environmental reasons.
Most of these things are not maintenance, they are fixes due to bad quality control from Tesla. I would say the maintenance items are the break fluids, wipers, air cabin filters and tires. That’s fantastic, for a gasoline car you would need to do extra 10-12 oil and filter changes for the engine, 1 transmission oil and filter change, 1 gas filter change, and 3-4 engine air filter changes.
That’s about the cost of maintenance for 6 years on my Prius after driving it 70,000 miles after getting it with 68,000. only major problem ever had was the coolant pump going out because the mechanic broke the belt. The only thing I’m excluding from my estimate is fuel cost. My point is I’m super excited for Toyota to release their EVs with solid state batteries.
I have a 14-year-old Honda Accord. I have replaced two sets of tires and two batteries. Done brake service twice. Other than oil changes. I have done exactly one repair to replace an oil pressure sensor. And, most important, to me, for our trips, I can fill my tank in under 5 minutes and drive 600 miles.
@@gwine9087 you are absolutely right… the EV Fanboys suffer from range anxiety, 1980’s Hyundai build quality, considerable decrease in range once you turn in the AC/heater or live in a cold climate… and let’s not forget the horrendous insurance costs all that to shout “ look at me , I’m virtue signaling” .. I’ll take my 14 year old utterly reliable Toyota, which can be fixed via any local Autozone, …… can you say the same once the EV warranty expires and your batteries/drives take a dump ?
Sounds like a great car, my 1987 Toyota Tercel had 335k miles and I did all the maintenance with zero issues. I bought it for $300. But you won't see me comparing it to a $60k luxury car since that would be ludicrous. Only an idiot would do that.
Seems like quite a number of little glitchy things but as far as compared to new gasoline engine vehicles it’s almost impossible to quantify what the “normal” number is. I’m currently driving a 2015 Toyota Tacoma TRD bought in September 2014. Currently has about 60k miles, quite a few of them off road, and has had exactly zero things fail. Currently on its second set of tires, oil changed every 5k, and all the factory recommended maintenance. On the other hand, a good friend bought a Mercedes ML250 diesel and that thing’s had more glitches and repairs than I really care to list here. Seatbelt, window switch, headlight, wiper, paint failure on the hood, nav system, interior lighting, and on and on failures. No major drive train failures yet but now that it’s out of warranty I’d be really nervous. Thank you for the updates on your Tesla. It’s a car still on the short list to replace my wife’s current car.
New gas cars are pretty maintenance free. I remember purchasing a Plymouth Acclaim in 1993. I did oil and filter changes on it regularly and tires at 50k or so. At 103k I bought a new set of tires. As I was musing over how well the car was running I suddenly realized I had never done a tune up. I pulled the plugs and the center electrodes had been burned down flush with the insulator tip. Despite that it still ran fine. I was stunned. I changed all 6 plugs and it ran exactly the same as before. Modern electronic ignition is an engineering marvel.
Total maintenance charges for my Nissan maxima over 3 years and 27K miles: 1. $600 for around 8 oil/filter changes. 2. $470 for rear rotor + brake pad changes. 3. $350 for brake pad changes second time. 4. $300 for 12v battery change 5. $80 for transmission oil change 6. $100 for trunk not working issue. 7. $75 for windscreen vipers change. 8. $350 Steering column motor replacement. 8. Airbag light on (pending) 9. Side mirrors motor issue (pending). 10. Tyre change may be required soon (pending) Total= $2325 + pending repairs I am pretty sure i missed some charges, and also under estimated the money I spent on repairs.
@@jermainec2462 yup...Did not realize it until yesterday when I did the math. There is another pending issue of phantom battery draining nowadays (new 12 v battery) and I may have to visit a dealership soon.
I have a Dodge 2500 Diesel Truck with 477431 miles on it. It has pulled our 42-foot fifth wheel toy hauler camper all over America, Canada, and Mexico including 3 trips to Alaska. It has never had any major engine or transmission trouble. I have replaced the alternator twice, one water pump, 4 sets of brakes, and the usual oil changes and services. I also have a 1998 Dodge 1500 with 158110 miles that I haven't replaced any parts on other than the usual oil changes and services.
I just replaced brake pads for the front of my SUV at 48K miles. That service is $600, oil changes are a $120 service and I have had 4 of them so far. A Tuneup would cost me $400-800. I would say you are doing pretty good. I just put in my order for the refreshed Model S so I am looking forward to experiencing that. I have solar in my home and they are putting a 60A charger in my garage so I charge for free. Over 6 years, I calculated I will be saving over $21K over 6 years in fuel costs, oil changes, brake pad replacement, Tuneups etc.
The biggest difference is the cost of labor. Your cost would be substantially cheaper DIY. My 2011 challenger with a 140,000 has only seen the repair shop once and that was for a recall. Average oil change is 10,000 miles, which averages out to 1a year with synthetic. My OEM brakes lasted to 120,000. And most tune ups are advised at 100,000. 100,000 miles for today's car is basic...
@@easyrider3066 Tuneups usually go hand in hand with spark plug replacements and they are recommended every 30-50K miles. Cost of labor and materials are part of the overall cost of ownership. That cost is significantly less over a 6 year ownership span with a electric car. My OEM brakes only lasted me to 45K miles which is more typical than your experience. How many gallons of gas does your Challenger hold? Gas mileage is what? 15-18 in the real world? A Challenger has a 18.5 gallon gas tank so at $3.09 a gallon for reg unleaded, you are spending $1,772 a year if you are the avg driver that drives 13K miles a year. I just put solar in and when my S arrives, I will not be paying anything to have a full charge every day. Electric cars have their issues but compared to ICE cars, there is much less that can go wrong and have less maintenance costs from the research I have done by a wide margin..
@@davehaller6477 Actually most tune ups are around 100,000 miles. Again the missing factor is labor cost. The average replacement part for most conventional cars is fairly inexpensive (AutoZone) and can be done in your garage. Tesla's cannot! And $1000 plus I pay in gas is well worth the convince and time I save waiting on a car to recharge.
@@easyrider3066 most people go to a mechanic. What are you replaing in a Tesla? I have a German car and tune ups are definitely not 100K miles and the location of parts of the car are not easy to get to for do it yourselfers. . There are far more things that can go wrong in a ICE car. The only area that a Tesla will cost you more in are tires in normal wear and tear. When I go on road trips my Tesla will need charging about as often as food or bathroom breaks are required so 30-45 minutes to charge is no big deal. For daily driving, my Tesla will be fully charged while you have to get gas at least once a week. Check the ownership satisfaction of Tesla drivers compared to yours.
@@davehaller6477On the contrary most people don't take their cars to the mechanics. And just like all cars Tesla's will age and parts will fail. And if Tesla doesn't allow access to affordable parts or limits the ability of third party shops to perform repairs. The end result will be a throw away car just like a dated iphone. There are multiple examples of traditional cars exceededing 500,000 to million miles with only minimal repairs. My 55 year old chevy will last another 50 years using only junkyard parts. And as innovative as Teslas are the likelihood one will exceed a million miles on the same internals or last 50 years with the same internals is very unlikely. Let's not forget, the beauty of a cross country road trip in a traditional car is not concerning oneself with gas station locations.
Nice, that's cheap man. People forget that there's a segment of us moving to M3P's that are cross shopping other performance cars, not just cheap efficient cars. To me, my cost of ownership is going to be INSANELY cheaper with the M3P than with a Hellcat/BMW M3, M5/E63 etc. Everyone figures 30mpg compared to electric, how bout figuring the 12mpg I'd average in the Charger lol.
Yeah to keep a 500hp or higher car going is crazy high. I went from the BMW to the M3P and is soooo cheap and repeatable power. Got it 7-2019 and have had to replace 2 tires. That’s it! Granted I only have 30k miles on it but still, at 30k in the BMW my head gasket blew and I have oil spraying all over the engine bay.
Yeah I've been comparing to a new Honda Civic Hatchback vs a Model Y standard range and they're like not even comparable in features and capabilities but they come out to cost about the same. It's crazy. I had to do all the math to show my wife that even a gas efficient car like the Civic does worse enough than a Tesla to end up costing about the same overall even though the car is like $10k more sticker price.
Seems like a lot of repairs for a newish car compared to a Japanese or German ICE. I've known many from new that has nothing to repair for at least 5 - 8 years.
@@frankelf3151 If you look at the stats they are on par with all the other automakers. There’s just a lot more attention on Tesla so it looks outsized. Plus I hope the older automakers have figured out the small details by now, can you imagine when Tesla has that much experience? Tesla will figure out how to align door panels but will the other automakers figure out software connectivity, FSD, electric power and efficiency?
@@frankelf3151 true but anecdotal accounts only get you so far. Plenty of people have cars from any make and have no problems, while some other people have lots of little stuff.
I don't know for others but after 5 years of using an ICE Toyota, I only spend on 3 sets of tyres, a routine engine oil change and 2 times new batteries. Others seems to be in good condition.
I have a 2018. I am embarrassed to say I have never taken it in for service, although several things on the car needed fixing. This includes a tail light that was taking in water, a crack in the rear skylight glass, and a left side window switch that snapped off in my hand. All of this was taken care of by warranty. I just had my first out of warranty repair quote, for the outside temp sensor, which for the last year has been indicating "---". The quote to repair: $386. I'll stick my finger out of the window.
75K really isn't alot. They advertise something like 400k. People shouldn't defend Tesla for not sufficiently supporting repairs. (I havn't watched the video yet, but suspect my view won't change) After watching the video, while it didn't cost him terribly much, he essentially had to go to a Tesla service center or have a Tesla tech come out. They really need to support third party repair shops.
The requirement for sensors and phone connectivity just to use the vehicle seem like a pretty big blind spot for points of failure, when an appeal for reduced costs of maintenance is that it has less moving parts. Well, don't make it worse by adding different things back into it! Its like these cars are only designed to be used for a few years, with the expectation you'll buy a new one when the warrantee wears off.
Compared to a frensh Peugeot 307 2.0 griffe. 2007 one owner 156000 miles. At 75000 miles. No electrical failures. 3 services oil + filter. 1 diesel filter. 3 sets of tyres. Brake disks and pads. 1 suspension upgrade. 2 oil shifts aut trans. You have more tollerense for worn tyres and sloggy dampers than me. I fix the service my self. Can't beat your service label, but I come a long way with much less money invested.
Did anyone see the video where the guy cracked the nipple under the car that the cooling system goes to? It's built onto the battery so Tesla told him it would be $16k, $20k installed for a new battery. He finally found a shop 6 hours away that fixed the nipple for $700 (only a few dollars for actual parts though). The component is on the front bottom of the car and it's happened a lot the shop said.
It's a pro that stupid things like door handles, power window switches, power outlet covers and other things broke in only 75,000 miles? No wonder these things are selling.
Sean Fyodorovich no it’s a pro that ONLY those things broke in 75,000 miles. It’s not a “pro” when things break, it’s a pro when after 5+ years worth of miles those are the *only* things that broke
Wow, you've had a lot of repairs on your car. I currently have 51,000 miles on my Model 3 and had one warranty repair for squeaky steering linkage. Two new rear tires (I have a lead foot) and I just replaced the cabin air filters. Oh and I had to fill up the windshield washer fluid. That's it in 3 years!
@@chrishart8548 I only have a single motor and I'm still on the original front tires. The rear tires were replaced around 35,000 miles because of quick acceleration really wears them down.
I have driven 28 000 miles (44 000 km) in two years of owning my Tesla Model 3, and the only thing I have done is replace the cabin air filter and wiper fluid.
One thing you might consider is that the regenerative braking can end up having a VERY LARGE cost. My wife had a Highlander Hybrid. When the car hit 5 years of age, the ABS control module went bad (VERY common issue for Toyota Hybrids apparently). The part cost is over $2.5k. Because it is tied into the high voltage system, we were getting labor estimates from $1k to $2k. As a comparison, the same repair for a Camry or standard Highlander has the part at $6k and labor about $100. I can only assume that parts from Tesla aren't as cheap due to lack of "economy of scale" as there have been a TON of Toyota hybrids manufactured, and Toyota prides itself on reasonable costs. You MAY save money on brake pads with regenerative braking, but you are likely to not save money in the long run. Brake pads are pretty cheap-even for performance cars like my M3 where the main cost is having to replace the drilled rotors as well since they cannot be resurfaced. Brake jobs are very cheap, especially if you can do your own wrench work. I wouldn't recommend trying to replace an ABS control module on a hybrid or EV unless you REALLY know what you are doing-or have great life insurance.
If it happens at 5 yr mark - its free, since Toyotas these days have 10yr / 160tkm warranty. I dont know where you live at or what kind of a deal you got but Im rather worry free. Apart form rather hefty scheduled service for my Lexus hybrid, but I know what I signed up for when I bought it...
One big problem with all new vehicles is the way manufacturers are trying hard to make them where you have to bring the cars to their shops to get them fixed. It is becoming worse as vehicles become computers on wheels with everything controlled by an AI program.
ABS Module for Tesla is about $200. Not sure of the labor though. Regen works by reducing voltage to the motors until there is drag at which point it's charging the battery. Newer cars have permanent magnet motors in the rear which can even completely stop the car. The motors are designed to withstand any heat, but nominal heat for the 2-3 seconds brakes might be applied would never add up to damage.
The cost of replacing the battery in a Tesla may be comparable to that of replacing a traditional car engine, but you wouldn't normally expect to have to replace an engine after only 8-10 years! Also, what happens to the battery once it has reached it's end of life? Can it be disposed of in an enviromentally friendly way?
You save a ton of money by just not needing to get an oil change, every 6k miles I have to spend $75. Thats about $1K in oil changes in a 75k mile range. Im switching as soon as I can
In 2015 I bought a BMW320d Xdrive fully loaded very cheap with a 30% discount and within the first 3 years I had no unplanned stops or issues with the car although I am driving full speed on the German Autobahn. During the first 3 years the services and warranty repairs were included and BMW reminded me always and planned the services with me waiting for only 30 minutes in a nice showroom with having all kinds of beverages and food, looking at new BMW’s or working on my laptop connected to the BMW Wlan. BMW offered also an insurance package, making the monthly rates very low. Since today I only had to replace one time the battery, since after 7 years with a temperature of -17 deg centigrade in January 2022 the battery showed signs of losing capacity with messages in the BMW infotainment system. Now my wife is driving this wonderful car and I bought myself a BMW330e Xdrive touring M-Sport.
I've spent about 300.00 total on mine it's a 2013 model S with 80k. Tesla has done a few minor repairs and all covered, even after warranty. This is about my 20th new car, and by far the most reliable. Could not be more satisfied. Thanks for the video, glad you also have had great reliability!!! 🤙🏼
@@owascoshaw With their market cap they should be able to do both. Maybe they are worried about not continuing to receive money for selling credits to other car companies, once they start selling electric cars down the road. That’s why Tesla is really making money, not on the sale of their cars...
@@billmulvihill8452 their market cap isn’t reflective of their current business. They have a price to earnings ratio of almost 1,000 right now and that’s after the huge sell off on their stock. That is an extremely high price to earnings ratio, for context the P/E ratio for GM is around 12 and the P/E ratio for google is around 37. Because of this Tesla’s market cap is significantly larger than their current business
My 2010 KIA Soul + bought new in June 2009, traded in May 2019 for my present KIA Forte LXS. I had 137,000 miles on the Soul - one set of tires and one car battery - that's it. Other than the normal 5000 mile oil changes, this car cost me $400 (tires and battery) in 10 years which comes out to be $40 a year maintenance costs. The car had a 10 year bumper to bumper warranty which I never had to use. Even the brakes still had 33% left on the pads. The 2019 KIA Forte is turning out to be the same - 38,000 miles in 3 years - zero maintenance costs (other than oil changes) so far. I understand that Tesla and other EV models are state of the art vehicles - but no one should have to incur these kind of maintenance problems and costs - especially after a mere 3 years. Your experience here reminds me of a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited we owned - it was a beautiful, smooth riding SUV - but it was riddled with problems, breaking down constantly. I was happy to sell it a short 4 years later.
According to J.D. Power, the cost of replacing a battery in the Tesla Model 3 is approximately $13,000. The total cost to replace the Model 3’s battery is around $15,800 when labor is included. 2:34
I have a 2017 Ram bought new with 80k miles. My total out of pocket has been 2231 (950 for tires). In my experience with trucks, after 100k miles its over 1000 per year. Im early on the list for a Cybertruck.
i have a 2022 hundai tuscon hybrid. bought sept 2021, its feb 2023. 47k miles. about 12000 of those are road trips, the rest is local and subject to harsh use as it is used for uber in las vegas, which gets heavily abused and used doors opening and closing, people in and out etc etc etc. it is also not always driven lightly. only expense paid to the dealer has been an alignment at 42k (wasnt "needed" but it also was due for one) oil changes, the first 6 were no charge, so i have paid for 4 oil changes $80 each. i run 5k ish on oil changes, on my road trip to florida i just did it before leaving, and before heading home and one soon after which is why some were earlier to change. just my old school habits when it comes to long road trips. Tires have all been replaced at 42k miles, and were "warrantied" (i bought the tire and rim replacement package so ive broken even on that) my cabin and engine air filters somehow are still clean, even when i shake them out when i check, if they did need replacing its about $70 for the pair for parts only. wipers are still fine, brakes still near new. no warranty work has been needed, however my drivers seat kinda slips a bit, and the center arm rest covering is a bit looser and having that checked out next service. since you wanted to know about a new car this is one comparison for you, and its higher use than yours. i stumbled across your channel because i have been lightly considering a tesla M3. i am disappointed by the rear road noise in these vehicles, which is making me a bit hesitant. however i did enjoy the test drive and researching how to insulate the rear of the car better to eliminate it, my HEV above is far quieter when on battery cruising than the M3
I have a lifetime bumper to bumper warranty on my challenger, and 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty on my ram, my repair cost or 0 and I have had no issues with either vehicle.....my challenger is now almost 8 yrs old.
Interesting how many people give Tesla a "pass" for these "small" issues (totaling quite a bit of money). If these issues ever presented themselves with a traditional car/manufacturer, I feel like people would be more pissed.
@@dustintrombly I think a lot of it is that the early tesla buyers are in love with the idea of owning a tesla before they even drive one so much so that it is as if they have a relationship with it. I have a neighbor that her bf has a tesla. he loves it. she thinks it is a piece of crap.
It’s the power, safety and autopilot that made me fall in love with mine. I’ve had 0 things go wrong in mine but would excuse a lot until it reached a tipping point of more bad then good
Good video Andy. Likely, my Model three spaceship is exactly 4 and a 1/2 years old. I had 0 maintenance, The mobile truck came to my home. Replaced my low voltage 12 V battery after 4 And a half years and cost me a hundred and eighteen dollars Which is a lot cheaper than the battery for the ice cars. Tesla Has been the best decision of my life.
Replace your own brake pads. Jack up the car. Take off the wheel. Remove one caliper bolt and flip the assembly up. Remove the pads and compress the piston. Replace the pads and flip the caliper back into position. Secure the bolt and secure the wheel. Lower the car. I just saved you 300 bucks and you learned a skill.
i get where you come from. It just feels wrong. But on the other perspective 75,000 Miles on it means its been heavily used and is equivilant to a average 5,5 years. And since the Seat and the Chargeport are not items that just age but get used often while driving its kind of understandable that that's out of warrenty. I mean if i drive as much as a long distance delivery driver and rack up 100k miles in 2 years, should "everything" be fixed for free because its only 2 years ? (Edit: sorry for the lengthy answer and i meant no offence i just wanted to share my point of view on the situation)
@@billthomas635 for the door handles this is the first time i heard of them "breaking" on a model 3. The Model S handles that are notorious for going bad are motorized. Maybe thats why they fail often. But thanks for pointing it out , i will keep an eye out for how often i find one going bad on a model 3
@@DJRaffa1000 Point taken. You may have gathered that I am not a Tesla expert and I accept the correction. But few here are ICE experts either. I'm an old phart who worked in the trade 50 years ago and I continue to be amazed at how good today's ICEs are, provided you use your head and not your heart when in the market. Convince me Tesla buyers are fully accounting for interest, or interest income foregone on the ticket price of the long range Teslas. 3s do seem to be more logical pricewise.
@@debbiekonkin5768 I've read engineering reviews comparing new vehicles and the battery cars on average are carbon neutral in about 2 years and a savings after that. Of course it all depends upon model to specifics
Great job Andy. My Audi Q5 60k maintenance costs were $3000 for brakes, $700 for rear shocks and $1800 for prepaid maintenance check ups and $1100 for tires. Steep costs. About $5200 more than your costs.
Wow quit riding the brakes or get a different car brand. Your brakes should last longer than 60,00 miles same goes for the shocks. Seems a lot for tires and maintenance also. Disregard this post if you live in the mountains.
@@richardlug6139 HAHA Riding Brakes is something I never do. Perhaps I brake too hard, waiting too late to Brake. The shocks issue was a virtual fight with Audi. They were under warranty and Audi tagged them as wear items. Therefore not covered by warranty. Not a pretty conversation between Audi and I. Tires are Michelin, which are notorious for being overpriced. Overall, total cost is high. As Pablo noted. Audi BMW Mercedes are all money pits.
Just remember, a ICE doesn’t need to be replaced until 500k+ miles, unless there is a catastrophic failure, due to lack of regular maintenance…. So, If you have to replace an ICE at 500k miles, you can get over 1 million miles for the same price as a $6k engine. My cost of routine maintenance every year is less than $900 (including the annual cost of brakes and tires)…. Tires for my car last 4 years and cost $400, and my brakes last about 30-40k miles (2-3 years).
I have a HONDA CRV from 2017. I think it costs around 200 to 300 per year for maintenance. No major issues. Love the car. Thinking of buying TESLA model Y LR
That is not bad at all for 73k miles! I spent $700 on one repair on my Acura TLX around 75k miles nevermind the regular wear and tear items. Would love to see an update video at 100k on your model 3
do not forget that you are not paying money to a gas pump. driving 25k a year with no gas was absolutely a winner, specially nowadays that the gas was so high. $1,471 maintenance was still cheap compare to the savings that you got for driving long miles.
Agreed that EV maintenance costs are low. This is also true with my 2015 Nissan Leaf-S @ 125k miles. Since this Leaf is in a mild climate area, the air-cooled battery pack still retains 11 of the original 12 bars. It also helps that I drive exclusively in "Economy" mode.
Amazing review Andy 👍💎 I’m getting my model Y delivered this Friday and totally forgot to account for maintenance. Much better than I expected and thrilled to be a part of the TSLA community :)
We are thinking about upgrading our car to a Tesla. Our car averages 25-26 mpg. We also have a truck that I can average between 21-26mpg depending on where. The truck is just over a year old and we have only had the car for about the same time. In that year time period we put 18k miles on the truck and 25k on the car. For a total of 43k miles in a year. Half of the truck miles were with a horse trailer connected. If we upgrade to a Tesla we will cut the miles down on the truck so it doesn’t get so high mileage fast and save money on gas. Our oil changes are around 100 for each vehicle, that would save us a good bit.
One of the reasons I did'nt buy a Tesla was all the bells and whistles crap that can go bad. Stuck with a LT Bolt - basic transportation. Nothing wrong after 4 years !
...or saturated with Mobile Techs. I live 110 miles from the service center in Portland, OR. The only time in over 3 years and 31,000 miles I've been there was when we took delivery of our Model 3 in Feb 2018.
Yes until you try and sell it one day and realize no one wants to replace the battery and you are stuck with a car you can’t sell or agree to take a huge beating on the price you can get. Good luck.
@@Eec2023 True car has a 2015 Model S 70d with 84k miles for $28,800. That car probably cost $70k new. Those models had shorter range and aren't as desirable but the depreciation seems on par with any gas car.
You are dead on. I have owned my Tesla 3 for over 4 years 85,000 miles. Four new Michelin pilot 4s tires @55k miles $1,000 Two upper control arms $200 including installation. 75k miles. Add washer fluid and a few tire plugs and I have spent about $1, 300 in 4 years. My new 2000 Celica I spent about $2200 in the same timeframe. Not including inflation.
Andy, I have a 2009 Grand Marquis Mercury with 86000 miles and I like to think I take good care of it. I have replaced the tires once, the battery once, oil changes 2 times per year, brake pads & rotors and air and cabin filters and change all fluids for a total of $1600 but that doesn't include gas. Fyi. I think this includes everything. It has been a good car.
My Jeep has been a nightmare of repairs (and we never could get the brakes to stop sounding like a dying cyborg banshee). That alone is a big reason I'm going to get an EV as my next car.
Have you tried replacing the brake rotors/discs. It could be that those are worn down so replacing the pads in their own doesn’t really give much of a benefit
Jeep buyers deserve no sympathy. Where did you get the idea they were any good? Being an equal opportunity knocker, you may still be better off than you would be had you bought a Range Rover.
Not really, on a 3 year old gasoline car one would expect to just have to do the routine oil change, filters and maybe tires and brakes which electric cars also need. If it gives you more problems than that in the first couple of years then you're out of luck.
@@Cornelius87 I’ve had great luck with my Honda but their recommended services -again recommended- are more than a Tesla would be for the first three years.
@@marcseigar6873 "You should think of Tesla as a luxury brand" the last thing people describe tesla as is luxurious especially when compared to a BMW, being battery powered adds cost.
@@Cornelius87 I've had my current petrol car from new, 7 years old. First few years were good, last 3 years I've had to spend £400+ every service (annual), plus tyres, plus petrol. The overall cost over a 10 year period for a petrol car IS more than a model 3.
In 1988, I bought a 1983 Mercedes Benz 300TD from a local banker for $2800 cash. It had 123000 miles on it. Today, 41 years after its production, it has over 900,000 miles on it. Its OM617 turbocharged 5 cylinder diesel engine and 4-speed automatic transmission have never been overhauled or taken out of the chassis. OM617 is the finest automotive engine ever produced, according to many experts. I replace worn seals, rubber parts, the shift knob and steering wheel that wore out, tires, batteries that are $82 at Walmart (H8) monsters, and 14 years ago I replaced rotors and pads on all 4 independently suspended brakes. 2 hydraulic cylinders on its self-regulating suspension with new accumulators that make it ride on a cloud. Every 5-8 years I have its alignment checked. When you replace a part that's 25 years old, it probably has outlived its lifespan. I spent $1286 on it last year other than normal oil/filter changes. I ALWAYS recharge its tank to 100% with either #2 fuel oil, used cooking oil or used motor oil mixed with used transmission fluid, the last two are free! Tesla my ass....
Yes, but compare it to gasoline cars with similar features and performance. Of course, a luxury EV is going to cost a lot more than a Ford Focus or Nissan Sentra. Compare it to the price of a BMW 3-series and the prices are closer to the same.
Car's don't usually break down until 5+ years. Usually dealerships don't have to do anything to off-lease cars and can sell them straight from the previous leasee. I'd be interested to see how the model 3's are after a longer period of time. I see model s and model x's having far more problems since they're older.
Yeah i was thinking that. Tip of the iceberg at 3 years and 55,000 miles. An interesting watch but it'll be much more interesting to see how a 6-7 years and 100,000+ miles would look like.
I have several friends who have purchased tesla's. They are uniformly blown away by the level of luxury provided and love them intensely. This company has some of the fiercely loyal customer base of any company in the world. I predict it will do very well in the years to come. I will buy one when the cost comes down some. My threshold is about 25k but I want ALL the features.
I have an Audi A4 for 13 years now. Aside from the gasoline costs, all other maintenance costs I have paid is: Break pads front: 6x70 Euros = 420 Euros Break Pads back: 2x45 Euros = 90 Euros Wipers: 25Euros 1 burned light bulb: 130 Euros yes they are expensive because they are not normal lightbulbs) Oil change: 10x40 Euros = 400 Euros 1 damaged water pump = 260 Euros with labour CAbin filter 2x20=40 Euros Air condition fluid=3x90 = 270 Euros + Tires which i dont remember... The car has 210,000km. Where exactly did u find the maintenance costs of 1200USD per year? Don't get scammed by electric cars people...in 8 years you ll need 15,000Euros for a battery...and if u think that this is offset by lower travel costs, just look at how much more expensive the KWh has become over the past 3 years. The price is only going to go UP!
I can’t wait for Lexus to release their EVs so we can compare the cost of maintenance. I really want an EV, but I’m very hesitant regarding Tesla quality. I don’t want a car that I cannot trust.
He said that none of the repairs prevented him from driving. Meaning these were all just minor repairs from a weird noise or a very minor inconvenience, like him having to open the fuel door by hand instead of it being automatic. Also it’s very unlikely that a random brand’s very first EV is going to be flawless, or even close to the reliability of Tesla that’s on their 3rd/4th rendition of their car. Plus even after they release it, it’ll be years and years until we have the same level of feedback we do from teslas that were sold 5-10 years ago
I have a 2008 (200,000kms) Hyundai i30 manual diesel. In the last 8 years I have done 3 engine oil changes, 1 transmission oil change, 2 tyres, 1 alternator, 1 battery, 2 bulbs. All up around $800AU or AU$100pa. Almost never go under the bonnet except to check fluids occasionally. Incredible vehicle and I drive completely relaxed knowing the likelihood of getting barbequed or not reaching my destination is zero. Let me know how you go at 15 years with the Tesla.
We only own Toyota and Honda and only need oil changes, tires, and break. The van is 2012 with 130K miles. The tundra is 2014 with 74K miles and Honda 2016 with 20K miles. All 3 were purchased new, a total of $135K. I am all for an electric car if it saves money. and can take 5 passengers. Since I have a family, it is a Truck and Van. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I’ve had my 2018 Model 3 LR for just over 2 years and now have 87,000 miles. I’ve been hard on it too. I’m due now for my 4th set of tires. My max range is 278 from the 306 when it was new but that’s probably from my driving habits. You have me thinking I should make a little video.
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So in comparison to your vehicle I got my 2019 Corolla hatchback one year later, around mid April of 2019. I just turned over 50,000 miles, and I've had zero cost of ownership... Now I have had five oil changes in that time and 10 service appointments, but that was covered under the vehicle's warranty. And as far as I understand now I will be responsible for taking care of all of the oil changes so every 10,000 to 15,000 miles I need to change the oil which can cost anywhere from $35 to $80 depending if I have somebody else change it for me. As far as things have had to replace I had to replace a bad strut after hitting a pothole on the freeway cost me $255, and in the process of going through that I apparently caused damage to my tire which blew out on me on the freeway several months later and that tire alone ended up costing me $201 and I had to get a replacement room which I found used at the time for another $120. Nothing else has cost me anymore more money.
Funny thing is I actually had a 2019 Tesla model 3 rear wheel drive extended model that I was really looking at at the time, took a test drive in and everything, it was one of their used models that they would give people test rides in I got a call from the Tesla service rep asking me if I wanted to get it for a sweet deal with full self-driving included. I ultimately ended up buying the Corolla instead and honestly at this point in time I don't feel like I made the wrong decision.
@@christinajordan7483 SLYE50 works. He had "SLYE20" in the video, but put "SLYE50" in the description, above.
@@frankpandolfi6662 SLYE50 works. He had "SLYE20" in the video, but put "SLYE50" in the description, above.
300$ for a charge door... dude, BMW charges 300$ for the "Hello, how can we help you?"! oO
Broooo you ain’t playing!
Yeah, no joke. My 2011 328i cabrio has become a money pit. I'm selling it and just bought a model 3.
Excactly :)
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The repair costs are surprisingly low. But the amount of repairs that are needed seem annoying.
It seems like Tesla chose quantity over quality.
Annoying if you had to drive it in -- if done in your driveway or garage .. meh !
Repairs aren't as annoying a owing a Nissan, Chrysler, Fiat, Lincoln, Chevrolet, Cadillac....Even after going bankrupt, and having the government to bail them out, American manufacturers still have not learned their lesson. Quality sales better than junk.
What repairs, wiper blades, tires?
@@onebrightflash I doubt my lousy 1966 Cadillac is going to last another 55 years.
My wife drives a 10 year old Toyota Corolla. I can’t even remember the last time I’ve spent money other than oil and filter changes. It also gets 50 miles to the gallon with its 1.5l engine.
Wow amazing!!!!
Lies 🤣
@@wickedfiend7135 I am going to concur on your assessment that this is a lie. I have a 2009 toyota yaris with the same 1.5l engine and it gets about 42-43 mpg in ideal conditions. And that is with me hardly ever using the brake and not being a lead foot.
How many miles have y'all reached
@@marleyjanim5033 140,000 on my yaris and 200,000 on my imprezza.
I’ve got a 13 year old Honda Accord Crosstour with 150,000 Miles, I’ve done all the maintenance and tune ups myself. Oil changes every 5k miles, air filters every 30k miles, serpentine belt every 60k miles, timing belt at 90k miles, spark plugs at 100,000 miles, alternator recently replaced at 145k miles, transmission fluid changed every 40k miles, brake fluid changed every 30k miles. All in total I’ve spent roughly $3k in maintenance and up keep on a 13 year old vehicle. And you only had your Tesla for how long? Yeah, I’ll stick with my gas burner Honda.
Honda kills it when it comes to repair costs, like Toyota. Underrated! Move over, Tesla and other EVs. 😆😎👌💯
Due to where I live, my driving conditions according to my owners manual are classified under "severe". This means I require 5W-40 oil every 3,000 miles, and my service intervals are much shorter. So far, my car with 102,000 miles over 4 years has 34 oil changes totaling 40 dollars each (DIY, oil+filter)($1360), 3 cabin filter replacements ($120), 4 engine air filter replacements ($160), 1 coolant drain/fill ($70), 1 gear oil replacement ($200), front and rear brake pad replacements ($150), front brake rotor replacement ($300), rear damper replacement ($300), and an emergency tire replacement (1 tire blew out from hitting a pot hole which required a realignment, $425).
This is $3085 over roughly the same time span as you. Include the fuel price over that 102,000 miles at the AK average of $3.50 for premium fuel at 34 MPG average for 90% highway driving, and that is $13,585 in fuel and maintenance costs over 4 years. The same amount of electricity for a Tesla Model 3 Performance over the same distance would save me approximately $5,000, and if the maintenance costs are similar to yours, that saves another $1,500. I would have over $6,000 more in my pocket over 4 years if I was driving an electric vehicle instead of a gasoline powered vehicle.
I don't know what you car drive, but to get an average of 34 MPG you have to be driving mostly freeway at less than 60mph.
@@victorvandyke9898 I agree! No vehicle unless it's a Hybrid, gets 34mpg driving under "severe" conditions.
@@victorvandyke9898 2017 Hyundai Elantra Sport. The engine is rated at 32 MPG highway, but it frequently gets 34 MPG traveling at the 65 MPH limit on the highway here.
@@Resist4 The "severe" conditions that I qualify for, which are hilarious, are that I live in a very hilly area. That's it. I figure I rather would not take the chance anyway. The warranty has expired now anyway, so I'm gonna be tip-toeing my way until I can get a Tesla.
@@CalculatedRiskAK a hilly area is even more reason why you couldn't possibly get 34mpg. Gas mileage is never made up going downhill, what if burns going uphill.
I think your maintenance for 73,000 miles is a lot less than I expected you to say.
Agreed it is about average for any other normal car.
Do you own a tesla? I am going to buy a Model Y, when I go work for my nonprofit full-time.
What door buttons breaking? electrical problems? That's crap compared to a normal car.
@@cassandrarose11 actually it's less than half the average which is 5 1/2 cents for a car of the model 3 size
Did Andy have to do front end tire alignment ?
So far based on your experience I would definitely say the maintenance costs are cheaper than owning a newer gasoline European car like a VW or BMW. However Tesla still has a long way to go with their build quality issues.
Obviously you haven't owned any of the cars mentioned
My BMW maintenance is super cheap because I do it myself. Take it to the dealer? I'd be bankrupt.
But they're way better than anything coming out of child murdering Russia which still uses Soviet technology from a bygone era, aren't they Eric.
ICE tech has been around for over 100 years, all the "basic" maintenance from sparkplugs and oil changes to head gaskets and timing belts can all be done at home with little more than an adjustable wrench. And just about every part is open source at this point, so you can always pick up a CNC mill and a 3D printer (only costs about $3k for a good quality of each) to make your own parts for pennies on the dollar for anything exotic, vintage or otherwise rare.
If you get a good engine though, you might get over 2 million miles without needing any significant repairs. I've got an old E350 with 2.5M miles on the engine, transmission got replaced by the previous owner as a precaution a little after the odometer rolled over the first time at 1M, but the only maintenance I've had to do since was replace filters and change the oil. The one fuel filter needs to be replaced more frequently, but only because that tank is the biodiesel I use for most of my driving. (fuel can be as cheap as free or as much as $2.50/gal, and I can fill up at home or while I'm having a quick meal)
@@GremlinSciences Those are literally German tanks!
I glad you are happy with your EV. I will keep my 2012 Camry. I has just passed the 250000 mile mark. Only tires, oil changes, and a tune up or two, still have the original battery. Yes you may pay less to per mile to charge but I can go across country without charging worries. 5 mins and I have a full tank ready to drive as long as I want. Just my option.
I have a 2010 Camry and my battery died 3 years ago. I guess unless you want to use an onsite service, it is about time for you to get a new battery. I only use my camry in the city and have never gone over 60km each day. It means that if I get an EV, I do not even need to install a level 2 charger at home to make it work. I only need to plug it to the wall, normally 14 hours a day, and I can go without worrying about tank refilling. Just my option.
If you could afford a Tesla Performance you'd have one.
@@thescallytrader In that pricerange, I think I'd get a Subaru.
@@_marlene - Are you factoring fuel/servicing/tax costs over the 5 years
The Camery , is one of the best overall transportation tools in the world. The 4 cylinder versions are one of the most reliable cars money can buy.
The Camry is a horrible car to drive. Just horrible. Good luck staying awake on those long trips. Horrible.
Drove a Toyota Tacoma for 6 years. Maintenance included one set of tires, 3 sets of wiper blades, 6 oil changes, and one air filter. Performed all maintenance myself except for state inspection and mounting tires. I think EVs will have a rough time earning market share unless they become much less expensive.
Good for you. I do same. I’m unimpressed with these EV heaps.
EVs don't even actually win at cost of fuel, diesel beats them there. Get it running on biodiesel and you basically never need to pay a single cent for fuel ever again.
How much gas
Yup.. my 14 year old FJ Cruiser…. Gas, oil, tires and brakes…. Say that about a 14 year old Tesla or EV… never gonna happen…. And don’t forget the super high cost of insurance on a EV….
Excellent statement
That seems like a lot of service issues in the first 5 years. I'm at 45k and year 3 on my Corolla Hybrid and so far it's been oil changes (4 changes so far About $30 per change with the first 2 being free), an air filter at $18 and a Cabin Filter at $15. I will need tires in about 15k miles but tires for the hybrid are only about $480. No other issues. It really seems like Tesla's fit and finish and long term reliability needs some work.
It might have been interesting to compare with the BMW i4. or another electric car in the same price range as Tesla
Maybe he got a car made on a Friday or the day before a holiday or the first day after. Those cars tend to have more manufacturing mistakes. That is a problem for all the auto manufacturers.
Okay. It he’s at 75k miles. That’s a huge difference.
I have a 2015 prius, oil changes and tires changes that is it. I have 153k on it. I took over all maintenance once the free maintenance was up. But still it's only oil, tires. Will need to get my hood repainted as the daughter while learning to drive got too close to a barbed wire fence, since it is not a tesla if I had to buy the hood can buy one even an aftermarket one do that with your tesla. But instead it only needs to be sanded, maybe one coat or primer final sand and paint. Will run me a couple hundred.
do you drive 25k miles a year like he does? considering the gas that he saved for 5yrs it's still worth it. he still save a ton of money.
I have a 1996 2.7L Toyota 4wd Tacoma 5 speed manual, it has 225,000 miles on it. Other than tires, synthetic oil, two new sets of belts and hoses, sparkplug wires. I am on my fourth change of sparkplugs. One change of front brake pads. I do change the air filter yearly. The clutch will probably have to be replaced before 300,000. I am gonna have to recover the seat soon. There have been a few burnt out lights. All my inside control switches, heaters, windows doors have all been trouble free. Replaced the front windshield when it was hit by a rock. Highway milage is 25mpg and 18mpg in town. I did put mag wheels on it and drilled a little hole in the original muffler to drain condensate which is still intact along with the rest of the exhaust. AC still works perfect. I do not understand why people would buy anything other than Toyotas or Hondas with old proven technology. I can do all the simple maintenance myself. It will be a long while if I can help it before I will be forced to buy an electric vehicle. I have previously owned two other Toyotas and they were nearly as trouble free. I can buy a lot of gasoline ($67K initial and new batteries every 100K is a good deal are you kidding??) and will be a bezillion Biden dollars ahead of all you electric car owners guaranteed. Good luck to all you electric car owners. I believe electrics are the future but they still have a long long way to go.
Oil Changes alone would drive up the cost, as it is the most frequent maintenance on gas cars depending on the price of oil. Brake pads and rotors will be replaced in sometime, and engine coolant, plus other fluids; Easily your maintenance is a steal.
$100/year for an oil change, ~$350 / 100k miles for break pads (rotors only need to be swapped if you scar them), Radiator Fluid... $20 at Walmart
not seeing the "Steal of a Deal" here
Excellent review - I think your repair history is acceptable - I think 2 cents per mile is actually very good. Thanks Andy - you always do an excellent job with your videos - you really come across well and naturally
2 cent per mile + $60,000 lol
Ryanken Aquiler $60,000 plus the highest resale value of any modern car. The upfront cost of a car is extremely inconsequential to people like him when the resale value is so high. When you’re not worried about making the payments every month, the only cost that really matters to you are repair costs and resale value
@@philorgneopolotin8762: If you flail your arms and pump hard enough, do you think it will help your Tesla stock short term?
Disclosure: I'm net long Tesla for the long term, but believe being honest should trump everything else.
@@rogergeyer9851 They will all be totally screwed when the Government subsidies go away and they got you by the short and cities.
@King_of_The_North lmao. Before u made that comment what research have u done lil guy? A completely wrecked model s runs 15k 😂😂😂. Maybe king of the north but as far as knowledge goes youre a peasant.
I have a 2019 Model 3. I have about 74,000 miles on it. So far I have repaced the two rear tires. That cost me $350.00. I need replace the front tires now. I'm very happy with my Model 3!
I hope you don't have the AWD model.
@@humbleAndkind. Unacceptable for a $60K vehicle in my opinion
Bullshit. 74k miles on a single set of tires and only replacing rear tires? You must be pushing it to the legal limit at that load weight and with your tread. No f-ing way. Your lying
@@hondafanboy1856 the tires on new vehicles, especially cars are called B class tires. They don't last as long as tires bought in a store. Because car manufacturers buy a huge quantity of tires, they try to lower costs by getting cheaper tires. Most new car tires will only last about 50,000 miles. The tore manufacturers specifically make these tires for auto plants. You cannot buy them in a store .
@@hondafanboy1856 I think that is time to replace all the tires again, but that cost is not counted.
In the video at 2:34 he talks about if you have to replace the battery pack it will cost you on average $5,000. That price is to rebuild your battery pack and NOT what it would cost for a new pack. Most Tesla's use 18650-type, 2170-type cells and these packs area rebuildable. But the new 4680 cell battery pack used in some North American Model Y, are NOT rebuildable. If you have a 4680 cell battery pack and your warranty has runs out and there is a problem with the cells or the electronics in the pack, you have to replace the pack with a brand new one costing $16,000 to $20,000. The 4680 cells will be used in Tesla's Cybertruck, Semi, and Roadster models, as well as the upcoming Model S and Model X refresh.
Ordered a Model Y cash, I drive 39,000 miles a year buddy so this will either get lemon lawed in 5 months or be the best car ever. Prior car was IS350 I had for 9 years and put 240,000 miles on it with almost no maintenance but oil, spark plugs, tires. It ran like new until someone totaled it.
your car not recognizing you, sounds like its giving you: "It's not you it''s me" speech.
It’s ok, Just as long as my wife keeps recognizing me after I buy my Tesla, I’m ok with that
Andy, I own a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard Plus. I have over 32,000 miles on my Model 3. Since buying it in December of 2019, I just replaced my tires and spent over $1,300 (as I decided to replace them with the factory tires). Tesla has completed some minor repairs and it has not costed anything out of pocket. They are pretty good at covering warranty issues. The only issue I have with mine is my driver's seat. It will go forward and backward sometimes, and sometimes it will not work. It has been like that since I bought it in 2019. They replaced parts with the seat, and still have not fixed the issue. Other than that, it's an amazing vehicle! Keep up the good work! I love your videos!!!
Have them replace the entire seat.
Seriously, it’s under warranty. They need to make it right.
@@AGreatImage I agree, they have had it a few times, and I still have the same issue. Maybe one day, it will be fixed...
I own the closest an ICE vehicle gets to a Tesla in terms of cost to own and operate and that’s a Toyota Prius. In 5 years I’ve done nothing but oil changes (first 2 or 3 free from Toyota), wipers, air filters I did myself, and tires once for $400 and rotations. I lose about $5k on trade in value but otherwise it’s a great, cheaper alternative to EV. And it cost me $24k brand new off the lot.
As a Toyota owner (x4) who drives 30k-40k miles a year, I was surprised at how much a Tesla cost you at only the 75k mark. It exceeds the the cost of repairs/maintenance for all 4 of my Toyotas combined at that same 75k mark.
Would you mind elaborating? It seems like you should have spent at least $700 in oil changes alone. $25 an oil change @ 10,000 miles x 4 cars = $700
@@jesseoriger7212 First 25k miles of maintenance is included with all new Toyotas.
And we had zero repair costs.
@@charlescampbell793 Thanks
We own a 2021 RAV 4 Limited Hybrid plus a Tesla Model Y. Hands down the Tesla is cheaper to drive and own. We have 16,700 miles on the Tesla Model y
About the same as my 13’ Ford Fusion with 89K miles. I’ve had no issues other than routine oil change, brakes, and tire replacements. I love Tesla but am surprised with the reliability issues you had.
@Oscar Thorpe Fortunately I sold it two months ago. Had 93k miles on it in total, with nothing other than a battery change. A very reliable car in my opinion.
@@actraveler8309 and how much was the battery change ?…. 5 digits I bet…
@@BERZERKERSV4 at the time a new battery was ~$95 for my fusion
My 2014 Toyota Prius is the lowest maintenance car that anyone in my family has owned. After 60,000 miles I’ve shelled out about $1,500 on scheduled maintenance and tire replacement. So despite the fact that it’s never had anything that needed to be repaired, the 10,000 mile service interval and one set of tires has cost as much as all your service combined. If you ignore tires (mine were only about $400 for the set) your total bill is less, and you’ve driven 15k miles more.
I owned a 2007 Prius that I bought new for $26k and had until 2019 and it was seriously the most reliable and least expensive thing. Boring as all hell, but dependable.
I had a Prius for several years. It was very economical to service until a headlight bulb burnt out. They wanted to charge me over $500 for a replacement. I looked at several RUclips videos and changed it myself for about $20. I lodged a complaint with Toyota and got a apology letter and an offer of a free oil change. That's when I decided to stop buying Toyotas. I have a 2020 Model 3 and have not had a single repair or problem for the last year. I'm now moving to Model Y.
@Boy George This is very true and what I saw from selling cars, the sells department made very little compared the the service center. This is also why I do most of my own servicing now except changing the oil plus I just don't trust any service(from most brands) center they rush the work and leave thing loose or un clipped.
@@FONFBand Im old enough to remember when Japanese cars first came to N.America.They quickly dominated with their quality and price. The key for Toyota...expensive parts compared to the big 3. The gift that keeps giving! This was a reverse policy coming from the Detroit automakers.
Andy, we have a 2021 Model Y Tesla and 2021 Toyota Rav 4 Limited Hybrid. We have 16,770 miles on the Tesla. Our experience is the Tesla is cheaper to drive and operate. We charge the Tesla at home 95% of the time as many EV users do. Zero problems with the Tesla for us.
It would be interesting to compare this with cost of maintenance for hybrid cars, and gas cars, but also include the gas cost and depreciation. The way that Teslas hold their value, even with higher maintenance costs than many gas cars, you might still come out on top. I think the hybrids from Toyota are still pretty low maintenance and gas cost isn't so bad, but there is a big difference driving a prius and a model 3 (I can say this having owned both) Tesla Model 3 is the best car I've ever owned.
Toyotas in general hold their value pretty well because people know they're reliable. Teslas may have lower cost maintenance but the model 3 is double the price of a Toyota prius. Yes there is a big difference because the prius is cheap, all about economy and 0 performance. Not that surprising that his tesla had low maintenance cost. It only has 73k miles. Let's see what happens after 100k and 200k.
@@1997saltydog 70000 miles and 3 years. Time factor is important as well
Owned a 2018 civic. In 3 years I put on 106k miles. I’ll list the estimated repair cost here:
Cost of car: 24500 total
~Cost of gas~
avg mpg: 35
total miles: 106k
gallons: 3030
average gas cost: 3.50/gal
Cost of fuel: $10600
~maintenance~
Oil changed with filter every 7.5-10k
Oil cost: 10 quarts/25 dollars
Oil changes done: 15
Quarts per oil change: ~3.7qt
Total quarts: 55
Cost of oil: 140 dollars
Cost of filters changed each time: $12
Cost of filters total: $180
Total cost: of oil changes: $320
Brakes: I had about 70% when I changed it at 90k
I forget how much it cost but let’s guess $110 for the ceramic pads
New tires at about 640 with a discount
Total cost of car: 24500+ 10600+ 320+640+110
36170. At that point a Tesla MAY be worth it to some.
Next month ill have nu LR for 2 years, 66k miles and havent had to pay anything extra. But i did have one major problem, drive train died while at a stop sign at around 60k miles. Luckily all covered and got a “new motor.” Im on my recently installed 3rd set of tires. Loving the car and no other issues.
lol imagine saying your new gas car has been great except for the engine they had to replace , good luck when you are out of warranty
We only have 15K miles on our 2021 Model Tesla. We have been rotating the tires every 5K miles. Our next cost may be tires down the road. We charge the car at home 95 % of the time. We also have ordered another Model Y with the 4680 battery and are looking forward to the delivery.
45 000 miles
Replaced
2 rear knuckles
2 front bearings
2 front A arm
Link kit
Front passenger seat
UMC 110v adapter
8% battery degradation
Great video Andy. I am a future Tesla owner and appreciate the more experienced owners like you sharing information with us.
Even though it is covered by warranty, I would still like to know the total costs of each fix. If those things broke, they may break agin. And I would like to know how much it would cost to fix anyway.
My 26 yr old dodge ram has 350000 and has cost me around 9000.00 in the 11 yrs I owned it including the purchase price of 1300.00 .the transmission went at 280000. Cost 3200 . The engine is still running 90 percent efficient. Doesn't use a drop of oil. And I get 13 L/100 km highway. Been a good truck.
I own a 2012 mazda 3 with 125,000miles on her. I bought her when she had 32,000miles. I so put 93,000miles on her in 6 years. I've done the oil every 5,000miles myself for all 6 years. Liqui moly oil only with mobil1 oil filter costing $50 which equals $900 in oil changes total. Replaced tires 2 times equaling $600 total. Brakes and suspension 1 time total equalling $200. So $1,700 total in maintenance over 93,000miles driven is why I love mazda. For a gas car it's pretty competitive with EV cars.
Some useful info about service for new Tesla owners, I'll upload a video about it soon:
I just picked up my Tesla in Poland last week. I had complaints about panel gaps, paint issues, dirt on the white seats etc. and they said I'd have to come back and schedule a service appointment. I live in another city so I had to drive ~1000 km (both ways) and the service fixed only 30% of the minor issues, even though they knew what the big issues were. They said I have to come back for another service appointment so they can order parts and fix the other issues. So I have to drive 1000km again, pay for a hotel, parking, take days off of work.
Super frustrating experience for a new car...
p.s "FSD" is an absolute joke in Europe, it's super nerfed and not worth it for now.
They gave us 'Enhanced Autopilot' in the meantime as a cheaper option that makes use of the vast majority of the features. Thanks to our amazing regulations, things really are broken in terms of Autopilot outside of highways.
On highways it works great though, would be cool to have the automatic lane changes without confirmations though!
Service Centers seem to vary drastically, some can be amazing, and others terrible. It's something Tesla really needs to iron out! I've been extremely lucky to not need a single service appointment in my year and a half of ownership.Ny Model 3 Performance (August 2019 build) came with great quality paint, no noticeable defects/serious panel gaps, and no other issues I can find to date besides some small rattles that I plan to fix myself some day when I have the motivation for it. :)
I completely agree. I have had a similar experience in Spain the guy delivering the car to me told me to schedule an appointment to solve the problems, worst experience ever.
I also got the 14 days enhanced autopilot recently which is quite useless but I understand it is because of european regulations. Anyway, be strong and hopefully all defects will be solved and you'll enjoy the car. My problem now are with rattles... I enjoy silence and rattles are very annoying.
My M3 had similar issues and the big problem was Tesla was trying to save money so they gave the car to an unauthorized body shop and they made it even worse. I took it to a body shop that works on exotic cars and the main guy couldn’t believe the trunk and the doors were so bad that he said they can’t even fix it. Be careful with buffing the doors because from what I understand the doors have very little paint on them and if they are buffed you might not have any paint left.
You shouldn’t take the delivery first hand if you see paint issues . That’s what Tesla rep recommend to me , the next car was perfect , no issues for me
FSD is a joke thanks to EU regulation, who somehow absolutely destroyed FSD. They set limits on how much the wheels turn. Which makes it impossible for cars to turn corners. It’s idiotic legislation.
Much better than I was expecting I hope to eventually be able to afford a new tesla in the coming years
They are planning to release a cheaper $25000 model. Im hyped and poor but who knows, who knows lol
@@lindanomercy8489 indeed maybe in the future i will be able to buy a cheaper car from tesla but now im quite poor and the infrastructure here in Romania its disapointing..+ here many pleople are poor and cant afford one only ICE cars
@@netrox1345 same because im from russia and people are pretty poor here too xd also my family has very very close friends from Romania, so chemaifache! (I dont know how to spell that)
@@lindanomercy8489 "ce mai faci" -> "what are you doing" 🙂 and cool
@@lindanomercy8489 or how are you whatever:))
I drove a Honda CR-V for 15 years. I put in 266k miles
Paid it off in under 4 years and didn't have a car payment in 11 years
The biggest expense were getting my radiator welded to repair a leak) and replacing the clutch after 13 years
This seems more affordable to me than an EV
10 years are what most Canadians are used to for car ownership if not longer. And many people buy second hand cars with over 200 0000 miles as on inexpensive choice, saves a lot on insurance and simple basic loan with extremely low interest rates etc.
Some people Only purchase second hand cars exclusively. Basic car maintenance knowledge and you save a tonne on repairs.
Plus it utilizes the concept of reuse for environmental reasons.
Most of these things are not maintenance, they are fixes due to bad quality control from Tesla.
I would say the maintenance items are the break fluids, wipers, air cabin filters and tires. That’s fantastic, for a gasoline car you would need to do extra 10-12 oil and filter changes for the engine, 1 transmission oil and filter change, 1 gas filter change, and 3-4 engine air filter changes.
That’s about the cost of maintenance for 6 years on my Prius after driving it 70,000 miles after getting it with 68,000. only major problem ever had was the coolant pump going out because the mechanic broke the belt. The only thing I’m excluding from my estimate is fuel cost. My point is I’m super excited for Toyota to release their EVs with solid state batteries.
I have a 14-year-old Honda Accord. I have replaced two sets of tires and two batteries. Done brake service twice. Other than oil changes. I have done exactly one repair to replace an oil pressure sensor. And, most important, to me, for our trips, I can fill my tank in under 5 minutes and drive 600 miles.
@@gwine9087 Sounds like a family with strong bladder DNA going 600 miles and only stopping for 5 minutes.
@@miscellaneousdanger For GAS. God people just like to troll.
@@gwine9087 you are absolutely right… the EV Fanboys suffer from range anxiety, 1980’s Hyundai build quality, considerable decrease in range once you turn in the AC/heater or live in a cold climate… and let’s not forget the horrendous insurance costs all that to shout “ look at me , I’m virtue signaling” .. I’ll take my 14 year old utterly reliable Toyota, which can be fixed via any local Autozone, …… can you say the same once the EV warranty expires and your batteries/drives take a dump ?
Always wondered about EVs. I drive a 2014 Honda civic 180k miles zero issues, I do all the maintenance and I get on average 35mpg.
Sounds like a great car, my 1987 Toyota Tercel had 335k miles and I did all the maintenance with zero issues. I bought it for $300. But you won't see me comparing it to a $60k luxury car since that would be ludicrous. Only an idiot would do that.
Seems like quite a number of little glitchy things but as far as compared to new gasoline engine vehicles it’s almost impossible to quantify what the “normal” number is. I’m currently driving a 2015 Toyota Tacoma TRD bought in September 2014. Currently has about 60k miles, quite a few of them off road, and has had exactly zero things fail. Currently on its second set of tires, oil changed every 5k, and all the factory recommended maintenance.
On the other hand, a good friend bought a Mercedes ML250 diesel and that thing’s had more glitches and repairs than I really care to list here. Seatbelt, window switch, headlight, wiper, paint failure on the hood, nav system, interior lighting, and on and on failures. No major drive train failures yet but now that it’s out of warranty I’d be really nervous.
Thank you for the updates on your Tesla. It’s a car still on the short list to replace my wife’s current car.
New gas cars are pretty maintenance free. I remember purchasing a Plymouth Acclaim in 1993. I did oil and filter changes on it regularly and tires at 50k or so. At 103k I bought a new set of tires. As I was musing over how well the car was running I suddenly realized I had never done a tune up. I pulled the plugs and the center electrodes had been burned down flush with the insulator tip. Despite that it still ran fine. I was stunned. I changed all 6 plugs and it ran exactly the same as before. Modern electronic ignition is an engineering marvel.
Total maintenance charges for my Nissan maxima over 3 years and 27K miles:
1. $600 for around 8 oil/filter changes.
2. $470 for rear rotor + brake pad changes.
3. $350 for brake pad changes second time.
4. $300 for 12v battery change
5. $80 for transmission oil change
6. $100 for trunk not working issue.
7. $75 for windscreen vipers change.
8. $350 Steering column motor replacement.
8. Airbag light on (pending)
9. Side mirrors motor issue (pending).
10. Tyre change may be required soon (pending)
Total= $2325 + pending repairs
I am pretty sure i missed some charges, and also under estimated the money I spent on repairs.
What the hell ...Thats alot for a car only 27k
@@jermainec2462 yup...Did not realize it until yesterday when I did the math. There is another pending issue of phantom battery draining nowadays (new 12 v battery) and I may have to visit a dealership soon.
It’s time to switch to Tesla
I had a BMW I3 ZERO Maintenance. I currently have a TESLA Model 3. I have had zero issues so far.
I have a Dodge 2500 Diesel Truck with 477431 miles on it. It has pulled our 42-foot fifth wheel toy hauler camper all over America, Canada, and Mexico including 3 trips to Alaska. It has never had any major engine or transmission trouble. I have replaced the alternator twice, one water pump, 4 sets of brakes, and the usual oil changes and services. I also have a 1998 Dodge 1500 with 158110 miles that I haven't replaced any parts on other than the usual oil changes and services.
I just replaced brake pads for the front of my SUV at 48K miles. That service is $600, oil changes are a $120 service and I have had 4 of them so far. A Tuneup would cost me $400-800. I would say you are doing pretty good. I just put in my order for the refreshed Model S so I am looking forward to experiencing that. I have solar in my home and they are putting a 60A charger in my garage so I charge for free. Over 6 years, I calculated I will be saving over $21K over 6 years in fuel costs, oil changes, brake pad replacement, Tuneups etc.
The biggest difference is the cost of labor. Your cost would be substantially cheaper DIY. My 2011 challenger with a 140,000 has only seen the repair shop once and that was for a recall. Average oil change is 10,000 miles, which averages out to 1a year with synthetic. My OEM brakes lasted to 120,000. And most tune ups are advised at 100,000. 100,000 miles for today's car is basic...
@@easyrider3066 Tuneups usually go hand in hand with spark plug replacements and they are recommended every 30-50K miles. Cost of labor and materials are part of the overall cost of ownership. That cost is significantly less over a 6 year ownership span with a electric car. My OEM brakes only lasted me to 45K miles which is more typical than your experience. How many gallons of gas does your Challenger hold? Gas mileage is what? 15-18 in the real world? A Challenger has a 18.5 gallon gas tank so at $3.09 a gallon for reg unleaded, you are spending $1,772 a year if you are the avg driver that drives 13K miles a year. I just put solar in and when my S arrives, I will not be paying anything to have a full charge every day. Electric cars have their issues but compared to ICE cars, there is much less that can go wrong and have less maintenance costs from the research I have done by a wide margin..
@@davehaller6477 Actually most tune ups are around 100,000 miles. Again the missing factor is labor cost. The average replacement part for most conventional cars is fairly inexpensive (AutoZone) and can be done in your garage. Tesla's cannot! And $1000 plus I pay in gas is well worth the convince and time I save waiting on a car to recharge.
@@easyrider3066 most people go to a mechanic. What are you replaing in a Tesla? I have a German car and tune ups are definitely not 100K miles and the location of parts of the car are not easy to get to for do it yourselfers. . There are far more things that can go wrong in a ICE car. The only area that a Tesla will cost you more in are tires in normal wear and tear. When I go on road trips my Tesla will need charging about as often as food or bathroom breaks are required so 30-45 minutes to charge is no big deal. For daily driving, my Tesla will be fully charged while you have to get gas at least once a week. Check the ownership satisfaction of Tesla drivers compared to yours.
@@davehaller6477On the contrary most people don't take their cars to the mechanics. And just like all cars Tesla's will age and parts will fail. And if Tesla doesn't allow access to affordable parts or limits the ability of third party shops to perform repairs. The end result will be a throw away car just like a dated iphone. There are multiple examples of traditional cars exceededing 500,000 to million miles with only minimal repairs. My 55 year old chevy will last another 50 years using only junkyard parts. And as innovative as Teslas are the likelihood one will exceed a million miles on the same internals or last 50 years with the same internals is very unlikely. Let's not forget, the beauty of a cross country road trip in a traditional car is not concerning oneself with gas station locations.
Nice, that's cheap man. People forget that there's a segment of us moving to M3P's that are cross shopping other performance cars, not just cheap efficient cars. To me, my cost of ownership is going to be INSANELY cheaper with the M3P than with a Hellcat/BMW M3, M5/E63 etc. Everyone figures 30mpg compared to electric, how bout figuring the 12mpg I'd average in the Charger lol.
Yeah to keep a 500hp or higher car going is crazy high. I went from the BMW to the M3P and is soooo cheap and repeatable power. Got it 7-2019 and have had to replace 2 tires. That’s it! Granted I only have 30k miles on it but still, at 30k in the BMW my head gasket blew and I have oil spraying all over the engine bay.
Yeah I've been comparing to a new Honda Civic Hatchback vs a Model Y standard range and they're like not even comparable in features and capabilities but they come out to cost about the same. It's crazy. I had to do all the math to show my wife that even a gas efficient car like the Civic does worse enough than a Tesla to end up costing about the same overall even though the car is like $10k more sticker price.
Seems like a lot of repairs for a newish car compared to a Japanese or German ICE. I've known many from new that has nothing to repair for at least 5 - 8 years.
@@frankelf3151 If you look at the stats they are on par with all the other automakers. There’s just a lot more attention on Tesla so it looks outsized. Plus I hope the older automakers have figured out the small details by now, can you imagine when Tesla has that much experience? Tesla will figure out how to align door panels but will the other automakers figure out software connectivity, FSD, electric power and efficiency?
@@frankelf3151 true but anecdotal accounts only get you so far. Plenty of people have cars from any make and have no problems, while some other people have lots of little stuff.
I don't know for others but after 5 years of using an ICE Toyota, I only spend on 3 sets of tyres, a routine engine oil change and 2 times new batteries. Others seems to be in good condition.
I have a 2018. I am embarrassed to say I have never taken it in for service, although several things on the car needed fixing. This includes a tail light that was taking in water, a crack in the rear skylight glass, and a left side window switch that snapped off in my hand. All of this was taken care of by warranty. I just had my first out of warranty repair quote, for the outside temp sensor, which for the last year has been indicating "---". The quote to repair: $386. I'll stick my finger out of the window.
Not bad for a young manufacturer like Tesla. 75k miles is a lot, it's basically what my car has done since it was manufactured in 2013.
75k miles is not shit, I have a 1966 f250 that has over a million on it, The engine has needed rebuilt 3 times at 1k a pop.
75K really isn't alot. They advertise something like 400k. People shouldn't defend Tesla for not sufficiently supporting repairs.
(I havn't watched the video yet, but suspect my view won't change)
After watching the video, while it didn't cost him terribly much, he essentially had to go to a Tesla service center or have a Tesla tech come out. They really need to support third party repair shops.
@@p0xus I mean it's a lot for a 3 year old car...
Yeah mine just hit 50k and it's 6 years old. But then again, I don't have a Tesla...if I did, I suspect I'd have a lot more joy ridin' miles
I’d say 150k or more is a good amount. 250k is “a lot”
The requirement for sensors and phone connectivity just to use the vehicle seem like a pretty big blind spot for points of failure, when an appeal for reduced costs of maintenance is that it has less moving parts. Well, don't make it worse by adding different things back into it! Its like these cars are only designed to be used for a few years, with the expectation you'll buy a new one when the warrantee wears off.
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Compared to a frensh Peugeot 307 2.0 griffe. 2007 one owner 156000 miles. At 75000 miles.
No electrical failures. 3 services oil + filter. 1 diesel filter. 3 sets of tyres. Brake disks and pads. 1 suspension upgrade. 2 oil shifts aut trans.
You have more tollerense for worn tyres and sloggy dampers than me.
I fix the service my self.
Can't beat your service label, but I come a long way with much less money invested.
Did anyone see the video where the guy cracked the nipple under the car that the cooling system goes to? It's built onto the battery so Tesla told him it would be $16k, $20k installed for a new battery. He finally found a shop 6 hours away that fixed the nipple for $700 (only a few dollars for actual parts though). The component is on the front bottom of the car and it's happened a lot the shop said.
My 2021 Tesla Model 3 (SR+) is scheduled to arrive Friday! Thanks, Andy, for providing just one more "pro" item to add to my pro/con list.
It's a pro that stupid things like door handles, power window switches, power outlet covers and other things broke in only 75,000 miles? No wonder these things are selling.
Sean Fyodorovich no it’s a pro that ONLY those things broke in 75,000 miles. It’s not a “pro” when things break, it’s a pro when after 5+ years worth of miles those are the *only* things that broke
Wow, you've had a lot of repairs on your car. I currently have 51,000 miles on my Model 3 and had one warranty repair for squeaky steering linkage. Two new rear tires (I have a lead foot) and I just replaced the cabin air filters. Oh and I had to fill up the windshield washer fluid. That's it in 3 years!
How long do a set of tyres last. I imagine 51,000 would be at least 2 sets
@@chrishart8548 I only have a single motor and I'm still on the original front tires. The rear tires were replaced around 35,000 miles because of quick acceleration really wears them down.
Just give it a couple more years and let us know what the resale value was.
@@muddyriverdogz We will wait for a response in 3 years. See you in the future.
I have driven 28 000 miles (44 000 km) in two years of owning my Tesla Model 3, and the only thing I have done is replace the cabin air filter and wiper fluid.
8-10 years on a battery pack. My 5.3 is 20 years old and still runs great. Keep your electric car and I’ll keep my Silverado. Mkay!
One thing you might consider is that the regenerative braking can end up having a VERY LARGE cost. My wife had a Highlander Hybrid. When the car hit 5 years of age, the ABS control module went bad (VERY common issue for Toyota Hybrids apparently). The part cost is over $2.5k. Because it is tied into the high voltage system, we were getting labor estimates from $1k to $2k. As a comparison, the same repair for a Camry or standard Highlander has the part at $6k and labor about $100.
I can only assume that parts from Tesla aren't as cheap due to lack of "economy of scale" as there have been a TON of Toyota hybrids manufactured, and Toyota prides itself on reasonable costs. You MAY save money on brake pads with regenerative braking, but you are likely to not save money in the long run. Brake pads are pretty cheap-even for performance cars like my M3 where the main cost is having to replace the drilled rotors as well since they cannot be resurfaced. Brake jobs are very cheap, especially if you can do your own wrench work. I wouldn't recommend trying to replace an ABS control module on a hybrid or EV unless you REALLY know what you are doing-or have great life insurance.
i read the same as the regen breaking would translate to high energy usage. However, i am not sure if it is 100% accurate.
no its expensive because they dont want you to repair it yourself
If it happens at 5 yr mark - its free, since Toyotas these days have 10yr / 160tkm warranty. I dont know where you live at or what kind of a deal you got but Im rather worry free. Apart form rather hefty scheduled service for my Lexus hybrid, but I know what I signed up for when I bought it...
One big problem with all new vehicles is the way manufacturers are trying hard to make them where you have to bring the cars to their shops to get them fixed. It is becoming worse as vehicles become computers on wheels with everything controlled by an AI program.
ABS Module for Tesla is about $200. Not sure of the labor though. Regen works by reducing voltage to the motors until there is drag at which point it's charging the battery. Newer cars have permanent magnet motors in the rear which can even completely stop the car. The motors are designed to withstand any heat, but nominal heat for the 2-3 seconds brakes might be applied would never add up to damage.
The cost of replacing the battery in a Tesla may be comparable to that of replacing a traditional car engine, but you wouldn't normally expect to have to replace an engine after only 8-10 years! Also, what happens to the battery once it has reached it's end of life? Can it be disposed of in an enviromentally friendly way?
You save a ton of money by just not needing to get an oil change, every 6k miles I have to spend $75. Thats about $1K in oil changes in a 75k mile range. Im switching as soon as I can
In 2015 I bought a BMW320d Xdrive fully loaded very cheap with a 30% discount and within the first 3 years I had no unplanned stops or issues with the car although I am driving full speed on the German Autobahn. During the first 3 years the services and warranty repairs were included and BMW reminded me always and planned the services with me waiting for only 30 minutes in a nice showroom with having all kinds of beverages and food, looking at new BMW’s or working on my laptop connected to the BMW Wlan. BMW offered also an insurance package, making the monthly rates very low. Since today I only had to replace one time the battery, since after 7 years with a temperature of -17 deg centigrade in January 2022 the battery showed signs of losing capacity with messages in the BMW infotainment system. Now my wife is driving this wonderful car and I bought myself a BMW330e Xdrive touring M-Sport.
I've spent about 300.00 total on mine it's a 2013 model S with 80k. Tesla has done a few minor repairs and all covered, even after warranty. This is about my 20th new car, and by far the most reliable. Could not be more satisfied. Thanks for the video, glad you also have had great reliability!!! 🤙🏼
Yeah, I heard about the older model S really holding up well. Nice👍🏾
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Why don’t they change the styling on the Model S?
It’s getting long in the tooth...
@@billmulvihill8452 Ya your right, but Tesla decided best to invest internally. So more updates, setting, performance etc.
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With their market cap they should be able to do both.
Maybe they are worried about not continuing to receive money for selling credits to other car companies, once they start selling electric cars down the road.
That’s why Tesla is really making money, not on the sale of their cars...
@@billmulvihill8452 their market cap isn’t reflective of their current business. They have a price to earnings ratio of almost 1,000 right now and that’s after the huge sell off on their stock. That is an extremely high price to earnings ratio, for context the P/E ratio for GM is around 12 and the P/E ratio for google is around 37. Because of this Tesla’s market cap is significantly larger than their current business
I bought my Model 3 new late summer 2019 and I have 74,000+ miles on it.
My 2010 KIA Soul + bought new in June 2009, traded in May 2019 for my present KIA Forte LXS. I had 137,000 miles on the Soul - one set of tires and one car battery - that's it. Other than the normal 5000 mile oil changes, this car cost me $400 (tires and battery) in 10 years which comes out to be $40 a year maintenance costs. The car had a 10 year bumper to bumper warranty which I never had to use. Even the brakes still had 33% left on the pads. The 2019 KIA Forte is turning out to be the same - 38,000 miles in 3 years - zero maintenance costs (other than oil changes) so far. I understand that Tesla and other EV models are state of the art vehicles - but no one should have to incur these kind of maintenance problems and costs - especially after a mere 3 years. Your experience here reminds me of a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited we owned - it was a beautiful, smooth riding SUV - but it was riddled with problems, breaking down constantly. I was happy to sell it a short 4 years later.
According to J.D. Power, the cost of replacing a battery in the Tesla Model 3 is approximately $13,000. The total cost to replace the Model 3’s battery is around $15,800 when labor is included. 2:34
you misread it.. its $20k for the battery and 15k for the labor to install it and get rid of the old one.
Definitely better than I expected.
I have a 2017 Ram bought new with 80k miles. My total out of pocket has been 2231 (950 for tires). In my experience with trucks, after 100k miles its over 1000 per year. Im early on the list for a Cybertruck.
Make a bunch of RUclips videos once you get it for all of us the see how cool it is 😎😎
i have a 2022 hundai tuscon hybrid. bought sept 2021, its feb 2023.
47k miles. about 12000 of those are road trips, the rest is local and subject to harsh use as it is used for uber in las vegas, which gets heavily abused and used doors opening and closing, people in and out etc etc etc. it is also not always driven lightly.
only expense paid to the dealer has been an alignment at 42k (wasnt "needed" but it also was due for one)
oil changes, the first 6 were no charge, so i have paid for 4 oil changes $80 each. i run 5k ish on oil changes, on my road trip to florida i just did it before leaving, and before heading home and one soon after which is why some were earlier to change. just my old school habits when it comes to long road trips.
Tires have all been replaced at 42k miles, and were "warrantied" (i bought the tire and rim replacement package so ive broken even on that)
my cabin and engine air filters somehow are still clean, even when i shake them out when i check, if they did need replacing its about $70 for the pair for parts only.
wipers are still fine, brakes still near new.
no warranty work has been needed, however my drivers seat kinda slips a bit, and the center arm rest covering is a bit looser and having that checked out next service.
since you wanted to know about a new car this is one comparison for you, and its higher use than yours.
i stumbled across your channel because i have been lightly considering a tesla M3. i am disappointed by the rear road noise in these vehicles, which is making me a bit hesitant. however i did enjoy the test drive and researching how to insulate the rear of the car better to eliminate it, my HEV above is far quieter when on battery cruising than the M3
I have a lifetime bumper to bumper warranty on my challenger, and 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty on my ram, my repair cost or 0 and I have had no issues with either vehicle.....my challenger is now almost 8 yrs old.
That's a lot better than I would have guessed myself...thanks for sharing....
Interesting how many people give Tesla a "pass" for these "small" issues (totaling quite a bit of money). If these issues ever presented themselves with a traditional car/manufacturer, I feel like people would be more pissed.
Yes, but those other cars aren’t Teslas. Tesla still rates #1 on driver satisfaction, because the experience makes up for all the shortcomings.
@@dustintrombly I think a lot of it is that the early tesla buyers are in love with the idea of owning a tesla before they even drive one so much so that it is as if they have a relationship with it. I have a neighbor that her bf has a tesla. he loves it. she thinks it is a piece of crap.
@@jeffhruska8626 Should I care what you think of my car if I love it and you hate it? As long as drivers/buyers are happy, that's all that matters.
@@dustintrombly only if your a share holder
It’s the power, safety and autopilot that made me fall in love with mine. I’ve had 0 things go wrong in mine but would excuse a lot until it reached a tipping point of more bad then good
Good video Andy. Likely, my Model three spaceship is exactly 4 and a 1/2 years old. I had 0 maintenance, The mobile truck came to my home. Replaced my low voltage 12 V battery after 4 And a half years and cost me a hundred and eighteen dollars Which is a lot cheaper than the battery for the ice cars. Tesla Has been the best decision of my life.
Replace your own brake pads. Jack up the car. Take off the wheel. Remove one caliper bolt and flip the assembly up. Remove the pads and compress the piston. Replace the pads and flip the caliper back into position. Secure the bolt and secure the wheel. Lower the car. I just saved you 300 bucks and you learned a skill.
Honestly, for a three year old car, the charging door should have been fixed for free. The occupant sensor as well
i get where you come from. It just feels wrong.
But on the other perspective 75,000 Miles on it means its been heavily used and is equivilant to a average 5,5 years.
And since the Seat and the Chargeport are not items that just age but get used often while driving its kind of understandable that that's out of warrenty.
I mean if i drive as much as a long distance delivery driver and rack up 100k miles in 2 years, should "everything" be fixed for free because its only 2 years ?
(Edit: sorry for the lengthy answer and i meant no offence i just wanted to share my point of view on the situation)
Hang on! They should not fail in three years. And why does every Tesla owner report door handle failures? How much are they, $300?
@@billthomas635 for the door handles this is the first time i heard of them "breaking" on a model 3.
The Model S handles that are notorious for going bad are motorized. Maybe thats why they fail often.
But thanks for pointing it out , i will keep an eye out for how often i find one going bad on a model 3
@@DJRaffa1000 Point taken. You may have gathered that I am not a Tesla expert and I accept the correction.
But few here are ICE experts either. I'm an old phart who worked in the trade 50 years ago and I continue to be amazed at how good today's ICEs are, provided you use your head and not your heart when in the market. Convince me Tesla buyers are fully accounting for interest, or interest income foregone on the ticket price of the long range Teslas. 3s do seem to be more logical pricewise.
@@debbiekonkin5768 I've read engineering reviews comparing new vehicles and the battery cars on average are carbon neutral in about 2 years and a savings after that. Of course it all depends upon model to specifics
Great job Andy. My Audi Q5 60k maintenance costs were $3000 for brakes, $700 for rear shocks and $1800 for prepaid maintenance check ups and $1100 for tires. Steep costs. About $5200 more than your costs.
Audi, BMW, Mercedes are all well known Money Pits.
Wow quit riding the brakes or get a different car brand. Your brakes should last longer than 60,00 miles same goes for the shocks. Seems a lot for tires and maintenance also. Disregard this post if you live in the mountains.
@@richardlug6139 HAHA Riding Brakes is something I never do. Perhaps I brake too hard, waiting too late to Brake. The shocks issue was a virtual fight with Audi. They were under warranty and Audi tagged them as wear items. Therefore not covered by warranty. Not a pretty conversation between Audi and I. Tires are Michelin, which are notorious for being overpriced. Overall, total cost is high. As Pablo noted. Audi BMW Mercedes are all money pits.
Ouch! $3000 for brakes!?! Were they made of gold??? I've had brake jobs on cheaper cars that only cost $500-$600.
Just remember, a ICE doesn’t need to be replaced until 500k+ miles, unless there is a catastrophic failure, due to lack of regular maintenance…. So, If you have to replace an ICE at 500k miles, you can get over 1 million miles for the same price as a $6k engine. My cost of routine maintenance every year is less than $900 (including the annual cost of brakes and tires)…. Tires for my car last 4 years and cost $400, and my brakes last about 30-40k miles (2-3 years).
I have a HONDA CRV from 2017. I think it costs around 200 to 300 per year for maintenance. No major issues. Love the car. Thinking of buying TESLA model Y LR
Total cost of ownership (car cost, interest on note, insurance, maintenance, charging cost) per mile would be interesting.
The higher the cost of the car, you pay premium insurance. Doesn't mater its BMW, Tesla, Audi or anything else..
@@A.J Yes and some advanced safety features and add to higher insurance cost since if it needs to be repaired/replaced can cost most.
That is not bad at all for 73k miles! I spent $700 on one repair on my Acura TLX around 75k miles nevermind the regular wear and tear items. Would love to see an update video at 100k on your model 3
So here we go, Tesla car is still twice expensive to maintain & 8 times expensive to purchase
@@drcoolautofix how do you figure?
lol get ready for that timing belt for at least another 700, but Cheers on the Acura!
@@B1GB0Y10 already did it at 100k ish
do not forget that you are not paying money to a gas pump. driving 25k a year with no gas was absolutely a winner, specially nowadays that the gas was so high. $1,471 maintenance was still cheap compare to the savings that you got for driving long miles.
Agreed that EV maintenance costs are low. This is also true with my 2015 Nissan Leaf-S @ 125k miles. Since this Leaf is in a mild climate area, the air-cooled battery pack still retains 11 of the original 12 bars. It also helps that I drive exclusively in "Economy" mode.
My 2011 Leaf currently has six of its twelve original capacity bars. Still gets me back and forth to work. Barely.
@@erikkpritchard sound like autumn is approaching lol
Amazing review Andy 👍💎 I’m getting my model Y delivered this Friday and totally forgot to account for maintenance. Much better than I expected and thrilled to be a part of the TSLA community :)
You keep charging and save me the gasoline.
Nice! I'm passing 73k on my M3P- right now. $580 for tires and $210 for an alignment at the SC so far. Amazing car for high travel amounts!
We are thinking about upgrading our car to a Tesla. Our car averages 25-26 mpg. We also have a truck that I can average between 21-26mpg depending on where. The truck is just over a year old and we have only had the car for about the same time. In that year time period we put 18k miles on the truck and 25k on the car. For a total of 43k miles in a year. Half of the truck miles were with a horse trailer connected. If we upgrade to a Tesla we will cut the miles down on the truck so it doesn’t get so high mileage fast and save money on gas. Our oil changes are around 100 for each vehicle, that would save us a good bit.
One of the reasons I did'nt buy a Tesla was all the bells and whistles crap that can go bad. Stuck with a LT Bolt - basic transportation. Nothing wrong after 4 years !
I'll keep holding off buy new tech cars until the market gets saturated with more repair shops
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VW - ID 4 AWD soon. VW has dealerships everywhere.
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I suggest you take a look at the motivations and the business models of a Dealership. They arent your friend.
@@islandbum9814 the new Hyundai Ioniq 5 looking real nice, hopefully with the 10yr/100,000 mile warranty .
...or saturated with Mobile Techs. I live 110 miles from the service center in Portland, OR. The only time in over 3 years and 31,000 miles I've been there was when we took delivery of our Model 3 in Feb 2018.
This is fantastic content that so many people need to see. No other brand I'd consider owning at this point.
Yes until you try and sell it one day and realize no one wants to replace the battery and you are stuck with a car you can’t sell or agree to take a huge beating on the price you can get. Good luck.
@@Eec2023 lol that’s not the case at all. Take a look at 9 year old model s selling right now.
@@Cole-ft4rr how many miles? How much was the car new? Is advertised price the same as an actual sale? What are you talking about.
@@Eec2023 each sale is different from one another ... that’s how car sales work. Do some research before making crazy claims lol.
@@Eec2023 True car has a 2015 Model S 70d with 84k miles for $28,800. That car probably cost $70k new. Those models had shorter range and aren't as desirable but the depreciation seems on par with any gas car.
You are dead on. I have owned my Tesla 3 for over 4 years 85,000 miles.
Four new Michelin pilot 4s tires @55k miles $1,000
Two upper control arms $200 including installation. 75k miles.
Add washer fluid and a few tire plugs and I have spent about $1, 300 in 4 years.
My new 2000 Celica I spent about $2200 in the same timeframe. Not including inflation.
Andy, I have a 2009 Grand Marquis Mercury with 86000 miles and I like to think I take good care of it.
I have replaced the tires once, the battery once, oil changes 2 times per year, brake pads & rotors and air and cabin filters and change all fluids for a total of $1600 but that doesn't include gas. Fyi. I think this includes everything. It has been a good car.
My Jeep has been a nightmare of repairs (and we never could get the brakes to stop sounding like a dying cyborg banshee). That alone is a big reason I'm going to get an EV as my next car.
I bet there are millions of jeep owners just like you. There is a reason Jeep is always on the worst cars list every year.
Have you tried replacing the brake rotors/discs. It could be that those are worn down so replacing the pads in their own doesn’t really give much of a benefit
had to trade in my 2016 due to all it's issues. Such a shame the looks of a jeep badass.
Jeep buyers deserve no sympathy. Where did you get the idea they were any good? Being an equal opportunity knocker, you may still be better off than you would be had you bought a Range Rover.
Don't buy a Chrysler product next time!
Much better than expected. The gas car expenses are still more if you follow the manufacturer suggested services. Good video, thanks.
Not really, on a 3 year old gasoline car one would expect to just have to do the routine oil change, filters and maybe tires and brakes which electric cars also need. If it gives you more problems than that in the first couple of years then you're out of luck.
@@Cornelius87 I’ve had great luck with my Honda but their recommended services -again recommended- are more than a Tesla would be for the first three years.
You should think of Tesla as a luxury brand. As a comparison, for new BMWs, the first three years of maintenance is free.
@@marcseigar6873 "You should think of Tesla as a luxury brand" the last thing people describe tesla as is luxurious especially when compared to a BMW, being battery powered adds cost.
@@Cornelius87 I've had my current petrol car from new, 7 years old. First few years were good, last 3 years I've had to spend £400+ every service (annual), plus tyres, plus petrol. The overall cost over a 10 year period for a petrol car IS more than a model 3.
In 1988, I bought a 1983 Mercedes Benz 300TD from a local banker for $2800 cash. It had 123000 miles on it. Today, 41 years after its production, it has over 900,000 miles on it. Its OM617 turbocharged 5 cylinder diesel engine and 4-speed automatic transmission have never been overhauled or taken out of the chassis. OM617 is the finest automotive engine ever produced, according to many experts. I replace worn seals, rubber parts, the shift knob and steering wheel that wore out, tires, batteries that are $82 at Walmart (H8) monsters, and 14 years ago I replaced rotors and pads on all 4 independently suspended brakes. 2 hydraulic cylinders on its self-regulating suspension with new accumulators that make it ride on a cloud. Every 5-8 years I have its alignment checked. When you replace a part that's 25 years old, it probably has outlived its lifespan.
I spent $1286 on it last year other than normal oil/filter changes.
I ALWAYS recharge its tank to 100% with either #2 fuel oil, used cooking oil or used motor oil mixed with used transmission fluid, the last two are free!
Tesla my ass....
You are outstanding. The detail of your videos have been so helpful; a big part on deciding whether I should buy an extended warranty or not.
The repair cost is low due to the fact thats its double the price of some regular gasoline engine car …. If you can afford more power to you…
Yes, but compare it to gasoline cars with similar features and performance. Of course, a luxury EV is going to cost a lot more than a Ford Focus or Nissan Sentra. Compare it to the price of a BMW 3-series and the prices are closer to the same.
Car's don't usually break down until 5+ years. Usually dealerships don't have to do anything to off-lease cars and can sell them straight from the previous leasee. I'd be interested to see how the model 3's are after a longer period of time. I see model s and model x's having far more problems since they're older.
Yeah i was thinking that. Tip of the iceberg at 3 years and 55,000 miles. An interesting watch but it'll be much more interesting to see how a 6-7 years and 100,000+ miles would look like.
I have several friends who have purchased tesla's. They are uniformly blown away by the level of luxury provided and love them intensely. This company has some of the fiercely loyal customer base of any company in the world. I predict it will do very well in the years to come. I will buy one when the cost comes down some. My threshold is about 25k but I want ALL the features.
I have an Audi A4 for 13 years now. Aside from the gasoline costs, all other maintenance costs I have paid is:
Break pads front: 6x70 Euros = 420 Euros
Break Pads back: 2x45 Euros = 90 Euros
Wipers: 25Euros
1 burned light bulb: 130 Euros yes they are expensive because they are not normal lightbulbs)
Oil change: 10x40 Euros = 400 Euros
1 damaged water pump = 260 Euros with labour
CAbin filter 2x20=40 Euros
Air condition fluid=3x90 = 270 Euros
+ Tires which i dont remember...
The car has 210,000km.
Where exactly did u find the maintenance costs of 1200USD per year? Don't get scammed by electric cars people...in 8 years you ll need 15,000Euros for a battery...and if u think that this is offset by lower travel costs, just look at how much more expensive the KWh has become over the past 3 years. The price is only going to go UP!
I can’t wait for Lexus to release their EVs so we can compare the cost of maintenance. I really want an EV, but I’m very hesitant regarding Tesla quality. I don’t want a car that I cannot trust.
He said that none of the repairs prevented him from driving. Meaning these were all just minor repairs from a weird noise or a very minor inconvenience, like him having to open the fuel door by hand instead of it being automatic. Also it’s very unlikely that a random brand’s very first EV is going to be flawless, or even close to the reliability of Tesla that’s on their 3rd/4th rendition of their car. Plus even after they release it, it’ll be years and years until we have the same level of feedback we do from teslas that were sold 5-10 years ago
You should def get one, not everyone gets an opportunity for it!
I have a 2008 (200,000kms) Hyundai i30 manual diesel. In the last 8 years I have done 3 engine oil changes, 1 transmission oil change, 2 tyres, 1 alternator, 1 battery, 2 bulbs. All up around $800AU or AU$100pa. Almost never go under the bonnet except to check fluids occasionally. Incredible vehicle and I drive completely relaxed knowing the likelihood of getting barbequed or not reaching my destination is zero. Let me know how you go at 15 years with the Tesla.
We only own Toyota and Honda and only need oil changes, tires, and break. The van is 2012 with 130K miles. The tundra is 2014 with 74K miles and Honda 2016 with 20K miles. All 3 were purchased new, a total of $135K. I am all for an electric car if it saves money. and can take 5 passengers. Since I have a family, it is a Truck and Van. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I’ve had my 2018 Model 3 LR for just over 2 years and now have 87,000 miles. I’ve been hard on it too. I’m due now for my 4th set of tires. My max range is 278 from the 306 when it was new but that’s probably from my driving habits. You have me thinking I should make a little video.