Fallout 4 Vault-Tec Workshop - Lighting
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Slight theory/complaining video this time around - the theory side being on what style of lighting (in my personal opinion) suits a vault. The complaining side focusing on the fact that all the lights used to light up Vault 81 have not been added to the workshop - because reasons.
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Whoa, the lighting at Home Plate is gorgeous! That really stole the show in this one. Seriously, amazing work.
The single light bulbs actually have the best shine in the game. Four can light up a room well.
I usually put a shittier light in and use those light bulbs for the main lighting, but I sink them or hide them inside of walls to give the effect that the shitty light actually works.
In the vault, you can usually sink them mostly into the ceiling or into the walls just by pushing them in there and watching the bottom workshop bar to see when the build (for me, its the X button) button changes from a dull to a bright color since you can't see if the item is red through the wall.
In my opinion they look alright with the bulb still protruding from the roof, with just the stem sunken in.
The single lamps tend to glitch in some settlements, the 4 lamp string works great everywhere
Who did you kill for that name?
Bruce Harvey me
the lighting is shocking in this DLC and for some reason every now and then I get 1 or 2 random lights in any room that just completely stop working.
You, sir, make me feel very inadequate about my building skills...
Lighting is a pain the ass. The ceiling lights dont snap or properly attach. The wall lights stick out horribly. and the lights are dim or too focused.
theres a square ceiling light that looks like a vent, its added with the vault tec dlc, if you place it on a ceiling than pick it back up as to move it, it will disappear into the ceiling where you can replace it, it can help you hide some lights
really like how you build without mods keep up the good work can't wait for your vault tour
He can't build with mods...That's like congratulating him for existing...
Thank you 4 jumping to the point. Im serious when i say this may be the only video on RUclips that jumps right to it. 4 that +1 subscribe.
Home plate is amazing, can't imagine the amoint of time that went into it. the Blue light bleeding up into the bedroom are.
this video definitely has made me rethink how to go about lighting.
he norespawns do you have a final look video on your vault?
the fact you don't use modes is why I love the videos and your builds.
You just inspired me to work on Homeplate since my vault Tec dlc is currently broken. Thanks Davey!
there's a patch out for it ( on Xbox one and ps4 )
That Homeplate is one of my favourite builds/decorations I've ever done. It's so fun to add to.
+epicman 56768 the patch didn't fix it lol I'm pissed
Sergio I made a mistake , it's out on pc and it's coming out for consoles in the next few weeks , sorry :(
You genuinely have a fascinating accent. Its like a mixture of eloquent country english and really harsh east london. Almost verging on cockney.
I actually have one of those surface never vault forever posters, pretty cool
I figured one thing out, using the flat ceiling lights that came with the Vault DLC, you can actually clip then through the roof of any piece of room in a vault. Now bare with me, this will not show the lights, but it will light up a place. If you do that all over a corridor then add visible lights to the roof, walls and so on, then you can have a nice lit vault while it still appears that the lights are coming from actual lights you can see.
is there any way you could show how you built the downstairs rooms especially the cafeteria because I tried and it seems impossible
We need ceiling/wall mounted versions of those construction flood lights.
I also headed to vault 81 for ideas & inspiration, I think I might go round them all actually. I was surprised how dark it seems in areas, I don't think it had really registered before (maybe I'd had my pip-boy light on when I'd been there before). But having a detailed look around something more important bothered me, there are only about 15 beds, yet well over 20 people (I lost count at 24, IIRC).
On the lighting front, I noticed the same thing about the lights used, the edge lights seem mostly for looks and just covering the darker areas at the walls, the big spot lights do all the work. I had used the round ones from wasteland workshop because they looked the best when sunk into the ceiling (they sink naturally into the atrium ceiling, but then I used console commands to copy it around), but I was getting fed up with how many I'd needed and the atrium had still ended up with 3 street lights down each side to banish the dark spots. So, while building a new wing played with other lights, the brightest light (meaning needing the least number) still seems to be the first initial hanging light. It's a slightly warmer light though, which works in some places but not necessarily others. So, I've been replacing them with the hanging lights and already have over 150 of the round ones back, but you only get steel when scrapped, there's no glass :(. However, they don't really have the right aesthetic for a vault so I thought about trying to hide them within another light type or something. I'm still playing around with it. But even with the right lights for some reason Bethesda made it so we couldn't stick things on the high part of the walls of the atrium (the bits that slope slightly inwards), with a little work you *can* get ceiling lights on the very apex though.
I have used a turret spotlight in the entrance; I used console commands to turn it upside down and sink it into the ceiling (I did it with the some of my other turrets too since they've not given us ceiling turrets, which seems a big oversight for a vault build if you ask me - but then we shouldn't be surprised considering the pieces we're lacking means we couldn't recreate vault 81 anyway), but like you say, you really wouldn't want that oscillating light constantly in your main part of the vault.
/ramble
you might can use the subway lights thay are a bit brighter and you might be able to use them in the ceiling of the atrium
Give us a tour of your vault it looks amazing
I've decided your new name is "Dynamic Davey" is that ok?
Razzle Dazzle Davey, Diddley davey dee, diddley doodley dave
How do you get things like the box of Sugar Bombs and magazines to stay in place?
Hey Davey, nice video man, I never thought of using vault 81 as a reference. Also, you can attach a terminal to the wall mounted automatron spotlights and set them to follow the player, which is way less disorienting than just having them swaying side to side
yeah I tried that- but it still didn't fit well with me. It's cool - I'm reasonably satisfied with my darker, more military bunker-style vault :)
+norespawns yeah you're right, more shadows looks better. Good luck with the rest of the vault :)
what are those construction lights hooked up to, also how are your lights powered without wires or generators near by. that's the only way I can seem to light them
King_of_Masons did you ever figure it out
I noticed you can put it through the ceiling to hide lighting
Nice video, as always. Did you see that there are new shop/store designs for the upcoming patch. It looks much cleaner.
yeah I really like them - they actually look like decent stops for indoors and vaults!
Could you possibly link me to that video or website?
lol, i actually used that exact counter in a store some time ago. i used the floormat shop/store and cash register with it, funny.. i "like" how everything homemaker has to offer slowly comes as official stuff..
+Barış Korkut thank you so much!
how did you do the corners on the top floor of the Atrium with only 2 wide on each side?
Does anyone know how to put lights in vault 88 main entrance it bugs me to walk in vault 88 dark
I wouldn't mind a few more "theory" videos from you! :)
Agreed. When Davy waxes lyrical about 'stuff' is when I can listen to him forever...
I couldn't care less about building a vault myself; for some reason I just have zero interest in building my own vault. What i ended up doing with vault 88 was build a base at the pharmacy full of settlers, shops and supply depots and then building a bunch of small bases/camps throughout the cave system. I used your carrot+robot trick with some scout assaultons that i made that run around the caves to "explore and collect supplies". I specifically assigned guards to posts at different camps so they travel/patrol between them. I treat it like an exploratory settlement where they scavenge the caves and there are supposed to be monsters and whatnot like the fog in far harbor. Its come to be my favorite settlement
I really hope you try something like this as well because it all fits together SO well. Sinking new floors into the pharmacy/ basement is so easy and it is already pretty well lit up. Oh I love it
Thanks for pointing these points out! I hope Bethesda gives us the proper lighting we deserve!
Two years later and nothing has changed
I don't have a twitter account so I can't send pictures of how it looks, but one thing you might want to play with in terms of accent or ambient lighting is to rug-glitch high-tech lights into walls where you want a slight glow. (I haven't been able to make the other kinds of lights work yet; they tend to be very harsh and bright, and their radiant effects do weird things.) You get two different colors and a decent variety of glow heights and sizes so you have some variables to play with. Might be worth a shot.
How did you make the atrium 5x7?
The lights in the vault are driving me nuts. Floating lights, lights that don't light up at all and lights that are just too weak. It is going to be a relief when mods get here
wish i had mods too :'( but i am grateful that you use a console to do your builds, it means i kno that all you do and the tips you give for us are applicable on the consoles. thanks, really appreciate and enjoy ur vids
How is him doing it on a console any better than a pc?
+MrMarkedMantis He didn't say that dumbass. He said he's grateful he does his builds on console because it's easier to follow along with what he does.
Plus, some of the stuff he does without mods is why I like his channel.
;)
How did u build that canteen like that
could you show an updated video of your atrium? it's different than your original one and I'm not sure how you connected some the the walls on the edges to the bigger atrium pieces.
Those smaller lights are working fine in my game and I'm on PS4. I just put one of those white connection plates on the wall to get power to the room.
Wich one ? Some of my lights don't work..and my game crashes Everytime ...do you use mods ? Some tipps ?
the thing is, when building a cell in Creation kit. if you add a lamp, there is no light, you add what ever light you want. it doesnt even have to be tied to a lamp, you just do what ever you want, how strong, if its gonna be flood or spot, what angle, if its gonna cast a shadow etc, thats why its almost impossible to get the same results in your settlements.
i like your vids i love fallout 4 its a great game thanks for uploading
I would really appreciate it if u would made a tour video of your vault.
I will when it's done.
how do you make lights turn on without using wires
To actually use retro lighting in rooms like bedrooms, just use the high tec lightbulbs with lampshades from the picket fence magazine and simply put a regular bulb inside it
How did you merge the terminal with the desk at 12:27?
I love how you tackled this realistically! So many ppl out there just bullshit and bark around the bush with their vaults
A big issue I have with modded lights is that most of them don't actually light up. They create the light and shadows, but the objects themselves don't change. I end up only using two or three lights because they throw off the whole vibe.
Any chance of a full vault tour?
PLEASE show how you build this
Enclave or bos bunker is what immediately came to mind when you said your going for a military bunker
in the GECK you can add "invisible" light nodes that raise the ambient lighting of a room. Bethesda most likely is using those as well to make vault 81 look brighter. sadly they don't give you access to that sort of stuff in build mode.
Thank you!
Has anyone noticed that his atrium has been smaller than the last video? It's less wide and I'm just curious why he did that
he said he made it smaller because it was too difficult to light it up in such a wide space. 9:50
Norespawns make a pray room for the children of atom in your vault
Thank you!!!
I wish he had snap n build so I could get ideas from him.
Davey, I know the Automatron hype is over, but I would like to see you showcase the best robots you can make. None of mine turn out well.
I honestly just make protectrons. Because they're awesome.
Hey Davey
Where are your visitor center builds?
How did you get the pristine pie Davey? Mod?
Is there a mod that will adds these lights?
I did my doors the same but I have interesting areas. not just rooms and rooms. yiu might like my lighting
are u making a secret room in your vault for railroad or .. THE SILVER SHROUD CAVE?... or something i guess. if not secret maybe very deep down at the bottom of your vault
For me in fallout 4 there was a update and it removed all of my furniture
Use the wall mounted spot lights that were added with the automaton dlc
You didn't pay attention to the video.
Nice video
So for anyone reading, I know this isnt the best video to ask this on, but as someone new to /really/ getting into settlement building on my new main playthrough, what are some of the best locations to build?
I'm talking like easiest to clear of junk, best ground to work on, nice locations, etc. I'm guessing Starlight Drive In, but I'm interested to hear what people have to say. I'm not looking to go for a HUGE settlement, I just need something to ease me into it. My perk spread isnt like min/maxed for the most caps to spend on supplies and I'm not that high of a level yet and whatnot. I just want a settlement I can be proud of lol.
Thanks in advance.
Starlight is good if not sanctuary
Ye starlight is good.
I don't understand why everyone likes Starlight. It's not flat and has bitumen over almost all of it so you are very limited where you can grow crops. I suggest Country Crossing as the crop area is flat so easy to build on and the settlement is not big. It also has a nice outlook and doesn't get attacked hard. Build on the crop end and not on the ruined house end as there are major routing issues for settlers around the ruined house.
Angel Best Very informative, thanks! I've already made my first one in starlight as of now, (I used those garden plots or whatever) and used shack floors to level everything out. Came out pretty good for the "Minutemen Castle-West" vibe I was going for. I'll check that one out next though!
Your vault kind of reminds me of Vault 95
would have loved a let's build of the vaukt
I prefer clean settlements and bright lights, I don't mind clutter unless it is meant to be cluttery.
Nice vid. The lighting issues make me quite angry. And also, is 88 the only place you can build an underground vault?
Its the only underground one yes. But if you complete the Vault Tec quests you can build the Vault stuff outside. (My friend told me that I am NOT sure if it's true)
Thanx for the reply!
richkerk699 You're welcome :D
this vid was helpful
Let me share my troubles with you. look back at your vault's diner's door. When you open it, the door goes up, there is really nowhere the door could theoretically go. It just disappears. It just bothers me; how about you?
make a overseer room guide
have you considered trying to make vault 101?
it's impossible to do without mods because of space reasons. I've seen people try to recreate it but we're limited to just make certain rooms.
I'm sure a modder will be all over it though.
+B3NN3TT a youtuber called "Final Render" is already working on a mod Vault 101.
He should check out rangerdave's vault 88
Actually the light sources you see in locations in the game are not the same as the ones you get from the buildable light structures for your settlements. See what Bethesda does (and modders as well) is place the physical light structures into the game and then add whatever light sources they feel best lights the area in the way they wish in the locations that fit what they want... and sometimes (depending on the game) those light sources may not be directly under any of the actual light structures, but instead floating out and away to provide the best lighting.
Buildable light structures for settlement mode requires the light source keyed to the structure that will give you consistent lighting in a consistent spot when you build, and that light source is pretty much set up to always be close the light structure... again for consistency even though sometimes it doesn't provide the best result (location and use depending).
Also there is shadowed light and non-shadowed light. All buildable structures for settlement mode (baring the fire barrel) produce non-shadowed light. Whereas at times many map location will make a degree of use of shadowed light sources (you see some of it in Vault 81).
Modders really just modify the light sources (area size, brightness, color) that are keyed to the specific structures, not were the light spawns in regard to the structure. More experienced modders however know how to create new light structures with their own new keyed light sources (I ain't one of those).
Essentially what this all means is that you really can't look at a place like Vault 81 and think you'd be able to replicate it even if we had been given those few other lights as options, most likely because they might not have their keyed light sources place in the same way.
Ill tell ya i got mods and i still cant get the lighting good in my vault lol
do a tour of your vault
I just used regular light bulbs and tbh it doesn't look that bad. you can see it on my channel
There are wall-mounted spotlights in automatron. The plans are on the girl's desk
Did you even watch the video?
yes - I know. Watch the entire video.
+norespawns my mistake; I thought you were talking about hiding normal spotlights above the ceiling.
I've not a twitter, but I do work on my vault. currently it winds throughout the entire cave system, I have only one corner clipping into the vault thus far, and not yet finished setting the whole thing up. I am about to do the residential bloc, I also need to get the gym in order and shrink the eating area just a little bit
ruclips.net/video/pIZHKaFZIkY/видео.htmlm26s
Great video! You ask about lighting. one thing i've noticed is that the vault-tec lights will snap into the ceiling..i.e. not be seen but still give off a lot of light. Dunno if you have noticed that. It's how I was able to light up the entrance area and security office. I've got a video up of my a disco I built in mine, but it's all modded and the lights are stronger with mods. I have had luck with the three fluorescent lights in the base game, the ones that come with 2 wall packs (what we call them in the lighting industry) and a ceiling mount that have a white glass and a metal finish. they seem to fit the theme of the vault and give off a decent amount of light that's not as harsh as the vault lights.
ruclips.net/video/Fqd2n4qd-wA/видео.html
this is my disco...also a brief shot of the Atrium..this is modded though. I'll grab some screen shots of my non modded vault tonight. I've spent about 13+ hours building this modded vault...
I filled my vault with regular single bulbs and I have absolutely no problems with lighting
I'm going to build an underground city instead of a vault.
these vaults are supposed to hold up to 1000 people and it bothers me how small they are lol
How did you manage to put your cafeteria in the atrium like that?
Huh? What's the problem?
As in I can't simply place the atrium mid walls around the cafeteria like he has
Nathan Hutchins I built something similar like his cafeteria. You're probably doing something wrong. :/
Hmm, I've tried experimenting with build order too, just can't seem to fit the actually cafeteria pieces under the hanging floors
Well than I can't help you. I hope you will figure it out!
One thing i dont like with that graphics engine is the fact that the more lights you have, the darker the darkness becomes. There's no real ambient occlusion in the game and it makes lighting such a pain in the ass. Its quite sad actually that those issues exists in this game as well as skyrim as both of them are awesome games to begin with.
I've been using the mods for brighter vault lighting here on PC, but I've come to the conclusion that even with brighter lights, it doesn't make Vault 88 look any better.
For my vault I also tried to remake Vault 81 as close as possible, but there was just something off about it: Vault 81 has a nice bluish tint as you mentioned, coupled with some volumetric fog, especially noticeable in the atrium. These lighting details give it character, and though I have mods to make the vault brighter, I actually lose a lot of depth that comes from the shadows and dark areas as you mentioned, and reminds me of disabling all shadows in a graphics options menu.
The really unfortunate thing is that neither option is good, vanilla lights are too weak and light up very small radius with high intensity, modded versions are very strong and light up quite a lot but it's almost too uniform, and the prevailing shadows look pitch black because of the contrast. The atmosphere is just not there.
only thing if use mods for is infinite resources
Use the track lights instead of spotlights
from a dedicated viewer and master race member, im genuinely sorry you dont have mods available. huge dick move on bethesdas part and its looking as though itll never happen due to the last dlcs near release. just know that i respect your builds more because you dont have mods than if you did and had easier routes for you constructs.
youre right about the lighting too, is draws the eye to busy areas and the shadow hides blank spots and emptiness while also providing a frame and degree of realism.
I want to use mods but I gotta get them achievements
I'm on ps4 and i decided to race to my platinum before mods, for fun.
Five hundred and eighth!
Buw we do have spotlights...
Didn't watch the video, eh? I said we have spotlights. I also pointed out that the ones we have move and are very loud; thus not allowing us to use them as effective lighting.
norespawns Oh missed that bit then.
+norespawns automatron dlc lights?
Be different Davy make it a restored type survival bunker
I play on pc and Xbox you home plate looks cool as f**k :D
It's kind of amazing how often you say "It's kind of..."
Lol,hot the 101 like. Tell me I'm not the only one that gets that reference?
*got
Fallout 3?
+ethan barry oh yeah,good job lol
+The Life Of Jascob haha lol
You need to change the name of your Channel it makes it look like you play cod for some reason
errr... no?
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Portrait_of_Cod.jpg
+norespawns ok sorry just an idea ya know
cod is great with chips
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-__- Ahh. I always hated the lighting range to light up to and the strength of it. Low, medium, high intensity should be for it. Skyrim 5 suffers from this a bit, but not as bad as Fallout 4. I hate it when places can't be lit up without a lot o lights. As a 4 length by 4 with, large wood floor, squared room size. I shouldn't have to have a light for every square. As if you do less there will be darkness. Also the old street lights in your main hero's town. Should be re makeable & look good to give wide area light. NOT rusted.