2023 KTM 300XC No Start AGAIN! | I Fixed It | Why Don't They Have Kickstarters? Highland Cycles
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2023
- My 23 300XC quit starting again! I think I have found the real problem now!
Fixed! No Start!
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Thats why im holding on to my 2019 XC, Carb and Kicker as stock
2019 KTM (TPI and carb) bikes are sweet as they get! Yes, hold on to her for sure...
yep their the best
not the tpi
This is why I’m getting the Beta 300 r, got to have a kick start when in the remote bush, stuff the added technology and electrics. I also own a new `KTM 1290 Super Duke and have had nothing but electrical issues, to much tech.
I was going to get a 2024 250xc but ended up getting a 2019 for this exact reason. I am a yz guy but wanted to make the switch to ktm but did not want Efi. I think I’ll be keeping the 2019 a while
Just bought a 2023 gasgas 300. I will be installing the kick-start. But I do love the old man push button. Great content man get out ride your dirt bikes
I have a lot of respect for filming while working on a bike...I have my hands full just trying to work on the bike, recording while trouble shooting my bike would short me out.
We have changed the harness so it doesn’t have power there and is covered. Happy to send you a new one. You can also just plug the connectors into each other to keep it protected.
It is not a bad idea to intall an extra ground wire from the battery to the motor. There is lots of chance for a bad connection going through the sub frame.
Good idea
Nothing better than your tech vids. Some how I always get something out of them. Great full brother 🇺🇸
Loved my 2017 KTM 300 but my next bike will be a Rieju 300 , kickstart, carb, KYB suspension and premix what was good in the past is still good
That's great Morgan, electrical connection is life on these bikes. KTMtalk guys posted locating the ECU connector under the number plate, removing the plug and putting silicone paste on the connector end to protect it from water. An easy way to add another ground point is run a longer colt through the coil mount so 1/4" sticks through the rt side,. That's enough thread to put another ground & nut back to the battery ground on the frame & send one to the starter mounter bolt.(double gd). Thanks again for posting. Last item for electrical maintenance on yuor bike DEOXIT - awesome connector cleaner for maintenance.
Good stuff! I use these to temporarily cover bullet connectors. For what it's worth. There's also a size that's perfect for plugging speedo gears, on front wheels, when not in use.
Not that you need to hear this, but I never allow any wires to dangle within the bike, even if I'm 100% sure they aren't live. All wires must always be plugged and taped, tucked away and zip tied as if they are live!
Great show as always, I love how you take your audience with you to figure things out and diagnose, you are a master tech for sure!
Yes, defiantly a good practice, but we all slip. Have you every heard the saying "The lawn guys lawn is always overgrown" Yep, same applies here I think.
Glad you figured it out!
By the way, alligator clips are your friend when diagnosing stuff. Doesn’t take 3 hands to hold the meter and do whatever you’re trying to do…
I've always added a ground wire from the battery negative to the coil ground on KTMs. I had similar problems years ago and that solved it so I've done it ever since.
If you hold kill switch a little longer when killing bike backfire wont happen. Just something i noticed on my tx.
Excellent work.
Hope ya got it ! Generally when electrical things act real wonky, like your fan was it’s tends to stem from ground circuit issues.
Nice find!! You're good to go.
Great tech vid.... I guess I need check the ground on my bike. Crazy stuff happening with displays and such, under voltage does that. Ground issues (high resistance = lower voltage) would certainly cause that. I would bet the fan issue was related to the ground. I've heard of the tusk controller having issues before. I've had no issues with my tusk fan, but I have had an issue with a dead battery once when I had not ridden in several weeks. Not sure it was the fan though. I bump started and had no issues the whole ride and not since. Nice find on the harness. I would just slather in di-electric and make sealed up dead end connectors for each lead for when you run the plate. Just toss in your tool box when you have the headlight.
TNM barrel connectors for the light switch is a way to install the switch, turning that current on-off. Just plug the male barrel into the female barrel completing that circuit without the switch. My TX has a TNM harness with a light on-off switch.
Gotta love aftermarket stuff... It's crazy to think that better connectors only cost slightly more than those old style but connectors, but companies still use them... I know I would pay an extra couple bucks for a product knowing it has quality plugs than pay less for junk... Thanks for sharing the diagnosing process though!
Boom! So nice to get it figured out. Those danglers will get ya...
Victory! Nice job finding the issue. Electrical can be frustrating.
Yep
Changing the game of working on them, no doubt!
Hahahaha
Had an 18 model with battery ground to the subframe which became an issue, ran a seperate 10 gauge wire from battery to frame, no more starting issues.
Morgan, Not that you need help or anything. But personally I've always disliked wrapping loose wire connectors in tape. Even if you use good tape there is always a transfer of the adhesive. And 4,5 6 times of wrapping and unwrapping always leaves them covered. Maybe it's not an issue for you, but I've always hated all of the dirt and grime that sticks to the adhesive. It just introduces another headache (cleaning the terminals). So typically, what I do these days is use 1/2 of a matching plug as a dead plug. In your case I would use the female end off of another plug. Silicone up the end and snap it on to keep the male end insulated. And when you need to use it again, just pop the plug off, plug everything up. No muss no fuss. And no dirt/adhesive to deal with LOL
Good fix 👍 and thx for the insight
Glad you figured it out!!! Maybe change the connection on that headlight leg to where both ends are shielded on the bike and color coded for hook up...?
Yep. I’m also thinking about a waterproof connector there that would be totally insulated when unplugged. The best way would be to have it be a switched ground so that it couldn’t have any issues.
Good find bud. A short circuit will absolutely cause a fuse to blow. Nothing a small piece of black electrical tape can't fix. Bad grounds cause all sorts of weird stuff so you may be on the right path for the fan issue. Or the cheap Tusk strikes again.
I have the tusk fan on my 2018 300 xcw. Same problems, fane came on in the garage for no reason, erratic temp readings. Every connection point was partially melted.... Cut off all connections and hard wire it "solder all connections" and problem solved. The connectors are junk and caused too major resistance.
Glad you found the problem. I always learn something from your video's. By the way, where can I get a Hard Enduro t-shirt like yours?
I don’t know. A friend gave it to me.
I have no wiring problems on my Sherco .Good video letting people know. 🤘🤘🤘
Nope, shercos have a bunch of other issues. 😂
Ya bro shrink wrap all that stuff.glad you’re good to go .I hate stuff like that .good luck at the enduro 👍👍👍👍👍✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️
that is exactly what happened on my tusk fan- the fan would randomly turn on and off and read weird temps- I have since to wired it to a switch man.
Despite what you have found, or are still chasing,I have made it a habit,to run an accessory ground,that is a stand alone wire from the battery, to the engine case anywhere. These newer bikes are notorious for not having adequate grounding, with aluminum and plastic subframes, dirt,moisture, and greased bearings and the like, as the bikes(or anything) are super sensitive, to a constant good ground. A poor ground affects charging,starting,fans,lighting,and a good time.
Great idea
Sounds like you may create the dreaded ground loop!
22 TE 300, they did a poor job of wire management behind the headlight mask. I have a feeling the harness is for more than
the North American market. I laid it down and smashed the the headlight and mask. As it pushed into the steering head a 6 pin
connector got smashed and one pin that was hot grounded out and blew the main fuse. That kills everything from the starter
relay to the EFI and pump. Everyone with these bikes should learn where the fuse is and have the tools with them to remove the
seat and have needle nose pliers to pull the fuse itself.
a reading of 500 from the fan might mean the thermistor for the fan could be going bad, might need to test at 72 degrees and look for a certain OHM reading.
I'm glad I made my own light harness instead of buying one! They want too much money to have a design flaw like that!
But ill trade you problems! I blew a coolant hose over the weekend and decided to pull my head and found a cracked cylinder! Waiting to hear back from KTM on it. Looks like im racing my 08 this weekend😢
Oh no!!!
I wish that the ktm motocross line had a kicker. And since I did the 36mm keihin carb swap it is a 1 good kick bike
Did you try doing a ground to ground voltage drop test? If the ground was the problem it would have shown volts on that side
The cable twitching is normal, just a little electromagnetism. You should see the battery cables jump when starting a big diesel on a 24volt system.
All my ktm Husqvarna I always run a 40 to 50 amp wire from the negative battery strait to the motor with good fittings on each end for stroke or two stroke some times to the clutch slave cylinder bolts will fixes lots of problems like starting battery charging an much more
Great tip
I would add another ground wire from Battery to frame at coil ground.
All since the Acerbis tank was put on seems like. Greased steering head bearings will not allow good ground through the triple clamps. Just put a rubber tubing over that male plug.
My very first thought would be the button or switch its self 🤷♂️.
Sooo back in 2019 when I had my 2019 xcw, I had a ground strap that got loose, and it was sporadic, started it to load the bike, started to get to the enduro line, flagger dropped the green flag, and nothing… I pushed it and jumped and I think my weight must have moved it and it it fired it up… continue with race and it would randomly bog out and come back on, eventually it got so loose that it died and wouldn’t restart… pulled seat and checked everything and sure enough ground was loose… snugged it up and never seen the issue again!!
i had the same problem with my tusk digital thermostat. i washed the bike and half hour after it was dry the fan came on at normal room temperature and went haywire not water resistant... ordered another dig.temp kit and back to normal. but always drains my battery if i don't have it on the charger daily.
same thing happen to a friends 450 xcf he ran a new ground problem solved
Hahah. I love the spark reaction. I do that alot hahaha. So to sum up the ish- you caused it ? 😅
Yep
If it matters I’ve found that if you make sure you hold the kill switch until it’s completely off it won’t backfire when you kill it.
interesting!
Yep did this all weekend, not one backfire.
Morgan, I heard you say you're going to add dielectric grease to the failed connection. I think I heard @TacoMike say that dielectric grease is not conductive. If thats the case, would it help in this situation? I'm trying to learn here along with you so any insights are welcome
Correct, it isn't conductive but it is protective so it will allow the metal on metal to stay that and keep any corrosion out.
My 21 had a problem with a broken wire that bends where it goes around the steering head. (It can intermittently make up and break open)
That sucks.
those tusk fans with the temp display are notorious for doing exactly that, reading crazy temp, and coming on when bike is off. running in the middle of the night killing batts. garbage.
That’s super dumb
Great stuff bro.
As a mech, I see a lot of guys rewiring all because they failed to have a solid ground and didn't need to.
Something so simple right?
Dont use loctite or die electric on those connections, let the threads if the bolt help with conductivity too. Dielectric is actually an INSULATOR! theres conductive pastes, but anti seize works well, and or seal clean connections with dielectric or better yet fluid film.
The dielectric is to keep it from corroding again. The filing and cleaning is to make it connect better. I should have explained that better
@@highlandcycles it really down nothing to make connect better, pack around pins after connecting to seal and insulate, not between the metal to metal. Clean, connect then seal for best connections
I'd put the stock ECU back in...if you have an aftermarket in place.
No, it is stock
1:12 I'm guessing a ground.... I haven't made it to the reveal yet. Wanna test my Mechanic skills after 2yrs of my son riding. I'm probably wrong too.
TBI’s backfire. Every one I’ve been around.
I'm at 10hrs and headed to the shop for a second time. Now it's a 3 long 7 short blink code. Supposedly an ignition coil code. If they can't reset and clear the code it wont be until the 20th before they can get to my bike for warranty work. Much more of this and I'll be back on a YZ.
I’ve had that code for 15 hrs now. I would worry about it.
@@highlandcycles would or wouldn't? And thanks for the response.
@@panic-revv85 would not worry. I had it cleared once and when I got the bike hot in some hard enduro stuff it came back. I’ve been riding like that since with no issue.
Mine backfires too.
Great find on the ground......gonna ck mine.
Hold your stop button down longer.
@@jamesavent3749 Will do!!
My bike blew the starter relay and popped a fuse. Also found battery was extremely dead and not able to hold charge. Do you think the battery jolted the starter relay causing it to fail, burn the fuse and relay? I changed the relay and battery and the bike started up. My bike is stock and has all the stock wiring behind the number plate. I checked the ground strap and it’s nice and tight.
Could be. I haven’t seen that before but could be.
My buddy has the tusk fan and it does the same thing. On and off with erratic readings. I think they are just junk.
Agree
The bike is always right! 🧐
Time for a new beta!
The aftermarket is going to need to come up with replacement wiring harnesses for these bikes in the future, or they will be throwaway bikes. The harnesses are poorly built for the conditions and vibration they encounter
Why dielectric grease? Pretty sure that is an insulator not a conductor. Meaning it doesn’t help with making a connection
It keeps things from corroding
That be a good bike to have out in the woods and a grizzly bear is coming after you and you have to start it and take off
Hahahaha
Yz250x seems better every day 👍
🔥heck ya, great problem solving man🔥👊🔥🔨⚙️🏍💯
Fan modules are low quality 2 failures in weeks. They just turn on by themselves run the battery down. that's why there 40 bucks. Keeping low V fan swapping plugs to a trail Tech module.
There's also an issue with a cross threaded bolt in the coil from the factory my 23 shuts off on the whoops. gonna start looking for that.
Hmmm. I have an ignition coil fault code. Wonder if that’s my issue
I've heard about it the cross treaded bolt a couple times. Must be influencing the coil ground but so odd. My xc 250 only does it under a real pounding. Or the equivalent to that from a washed up grey bearded 45yr old harescrable'er. Lol
I'm gonna take a peek at mine tomorrow after I clean it up from last week's race. Let u know what I find. Best regards
Marc Zanetti
Thanks for what you do.
@@zmanmz Thanks man. email me at morgan@highland-cycles.com if you find anything.
What temperature are you setting your fan to come on at?
200
@@highlandcycles Thanks for the reply!
Yes it does it, No i dont care. -Morgan LOL love that shit.
I'm having an issue with my 23 300xc... battery drain. It's like the ECM isn't shutting off. It's almost intermittent tho. Super annoying. Bike has 10 hrs on it.
Hmmmm, that’s a new one. Probably going to have to do a bunch of testing.
@@highlandcycles they're going to check it out since we are right at that 30 day mark. The map switch stays on, the FI light stays on until you actually start it, and the fuel pump intermittently runs.
I'm a big believer in keeping my bikes as stock as possible. I have friends who buy all the cool shit for their bikes and when they have a problem it's almost always the aftermarket parts that are the issue.
Yep. I just want a light on this thing so I have to do something.
The XC line up should have kickers.
More for the W. I plan on taking that thing a long way from the truck. Race bike never gets to far from help.
13.39 volts is Low. My oem 23 250xc is 13.99 after weeks at rest.
It is what it has been since new
@@highlandcyclesI think Antigrav batt nominal voltage is 13.2, but I don't know for sure, seems like 13.2 is low unless it has been sitting for awhile.
I have a 2023 fc250 16 hours, press the start button and nothing, I’ve cleaned all connections, the ground, replaced the start stop button replaced the starter relay, battery is good, and still nothing any ideas?
I can jump the starter relay and it turns over also and can bump start it and the stop button works.
Sounds like the start relay
Remove tank to replace fuse. Fix that!!!
Agree
Was in the performance business for a long time, and not that I’m against aftermarket components, but more times than not. They’re the least reliable thing on the vehicle.
Yep. I agree
👍👍
Just bought a 2024 husq 300 TE . Not even an hour on the bike and I go to start it up and it starts bogging down when I gas it. Now bike won’t start what so ever.
Try a new plug. And switch to the BR7EE
@@highlandcycles well I think I’m gonna take it back to the dealer shop tomorrow. Because the idle is not at 1400 to 1500 and my rear break is locked up. I know they’re not perfect but I don’t wanna mess up any warranty.
Totally, that sucks. @@cocas1080
replacement costs $39.99...rocky mountain
daisy's revenge - the sequel🤣
😂🤣
First year bikes...
KTM = Keeps Taking Money
Yamaha YZ250 = Starts every time, NO BUTTON.
I'll kick my bike and RIDE.
They can keep the button. I say this with ❤ 😊
Hahahaha. I know.
You running silver kings?
Yep
Hey what front brake rotor guard are you running in this bike?
System Tech Racing. Really cool.
Just buy a YZ250. THE MOST reliable bike money can buy. Ktms are cool…. But they are more money and the forks on the Yamaha are way way better. Yes you have to kick the yz and it vibrates more…. But it’ll always start.
My boys both rode YZ’s and they remind me of that often 😂🤣
@@highlandcycles lol!!! It’s just funny how good that old bike is.
Electrical demons can be tough to find and are very satisfying to figure out.
Mine only backfires when I don’t hold the kill switch long enough.
Get a TM
It turned out that it wasn't a bike issue, so how would a different bike be the fix? BTW - TM's have lots of issues and you can't find parts!
@@onthethrottle7104 what issues do they have? Haven't heard an owner complain about parts. Many say its not a problem. TM is doubling production capacity. Only 300 problem (which has been rectified) was PV reset.
It’s a ktm lol, enough said 😂
Too many mods = Too many problems 😂
Yep. That’s definitely a thing.
snap a female end on the male end when its not in use
Tusk fans have problems with their thermostat
fuel injection n wire dont belong in dirt bike
I told you whats wrong with it but you dont listen ;) you probly can't trust this machine
Hahahaha. I trust it. Now. It’s been pretty damn good for 90 hrs. And this was my fault.
Ok human problems are mostly easy to fix. If you trust it were all good then
Time for a Beta, KTM is not what it was.and you know it.
Yeah but this is still better in a lot of ways. I like the beta a lot. We will see.
So your only troubles are not KTMs fault………just sayin
Agree. I love my KTM
But, the only real thing I don’t like about the bike is 100% KTM’s fault. The fuel mileage and tank/pickup design are not good.
You need some test leads with alligator clips on the end maybe like 10 footers for testing stuff with your multi tool. Bye
I actually have some. Just didn’t get them out.