OR…RDJ Doctor Doom is from the 838 Universe. He was part of the Illuminati as Superior Iron Man. After Wanda kills the Illuminati he seeks out the Darkhold, goes full on evil using tech and magic and becomes Dr.Doom.
What about 838 Mordo? Not only is he still alive, but as the active Sorcerer Supreme, wouldn't he possess the Eye of Agamodo (time stone) and could have possibly revive the already slained illuminati members?
@@mrmonte1975 He wouldn't do that because look at how he reacted to Strange using it to stop the dark dimension from entering our world. He is a "True Believer" in the rhetoric that the Ancient One taught. He believes it to go against his beliefs to use that power. It is to be guarded against not used.
I just don’t understand why Victor Von Doom has to be anything involved with Tony Stark period? Can he just be his own character (one that is infinitely better than Tony Stark)
Ok hear me out. I think it's Tony Stark from Earth-838 that got a hold of the Darkhold after Dr Strange took out Thanos. Tony's ego got the best of him and he prosued to find out how he could have been out bested by Dr Strange since he had already perfected the ultron program. He then studied the Darkhold and it consumed him.
@@ronthorn3 I don't think the Fantastic 4 takes place in Earth-616. Also the multiverse and time is kind of weird so we will see how that all works out.
@@autograph415 that would be terrible. There are much better choices for Victor von doom and I'm sure we will get the actual Victor but It makes no sense and will ruin the immersion if RDJ isn't Tony.
Man do I hope they nail this and straighten things out. I really, really wanna care again like I used to. My son is 5 now. Back when he was born, I was ecstatic about him growing up and watching all this stuff with me. But then everything fell apart. I have every Blu-Ray up until Shang Chi, and saw every movie up until that in the theater. But I haven’t been back since and haven’t bought a single blu ray after Shang Chi. My kid is close to being old enough to enjoy this stuff with me. He’s definitely a fan of many Marvel characters, but he doesn’t even know the MCU exists. It just hasn’t been something I cared about anymore since he’s been old enough to get it. But I’d be thrilled if they could fix things, I I could actually have the decade or two to enjoy it with my son like I envisioned back when he was becoming a reality in my life. I really want that excitement and enjoyment back…but I’d be embarrassed and ashamed to tell anyone, let alone my son, that I’m a fan of the miserable crap that they’ve put out the last few years!! It’s garbage and such a shame they allowed this to occur!! FIX IT NOW!!!😂😂
You can't fix stupid. Especially, when Hollywood refuses to talk to kirby's people/Children who holds the rights to storyboards of their fathers work. 😢. Therefore you are going to get a half-baked 😢version of Dr Doom
RDJ is not playing a Iron Man variant! He’s playing Victor Von Doom. He’ll have makeup or CGI and will be a whole other character. Y’all forgetting what kind of actor this guy is. Tropic Thunder.
@@darthbishop4543 makeup, cgi. A good actor doesn’t always look like themselves. I see it as a missed opportunity to NOT go this route and show off his acting abilities.
@@TheMindx1 i think your missing the impact of the scenes with our heroes seeing his face as the villain. Could you imagine the look on Peters face when he see that doom is a version of his mentor? Think about it.. what it seems like they are doing is that doom and Tony are actually the same person both went down different paths.
@@darthbishop4543 i agree with you. And if you think about it the Name Victor von Doom is kind of a silly Name. It’s a talking Name that gives a lot away about the Person. It makes more sense that Dr. Doom is only his made-up Name. Live Action Adaptations of Comic Book Charakters nowadays try to make silly parts in their kind of way logical….sorry if something wasn’t understandable, i‘m from Germany.
Please put Jonathan Majors as Kang in this movie even if he and his variants get defeated in the first 10 minutes of the movie. He deserves a 2nd chance ❤
Think this Doom origin may be pieced together from a couple of different stories. "Tony Stark" who finds out he was adopted by the Starks.. researches his lineage, finds out his mother was a gypsy from another country. Discovers has an aptitude for magic, combines with his tech prowess. If Wanda is involved... he Discovers here after losing his mother. Realizes science only cannot resurrect her... he hears of a book called the "darkhold". During his search, he finds wanda (already the Scarlett witch).... who teaches him the arts. It's a lot of ways Doom can emerge
This is so smart! Especially noting that Doctor Strange connecting with the Avengers earlier would have introduced him to Magic in a way that might have made him more receptive.
I think there’s one key thing everyone’s missing here, time, and connecting Doom with the F4, Tony turning into doom during age of ultron, just don’t see it. He had to have been turned way earlier. Idk, we literally have no idea.
Feige and Russo Brothers were ingenious with this move because it’s getting people excited again for the MCU we love and getting us talking again about these theories and crazy what ifs. I will enjoy the reveal when this movie happens as I honestly don’t know what direction they’ll go. I always go back to Age of Ultron with the moments of his visions that Wanda gave him and think that would be an excellent scenario, but honestly I’m just excited once again Russo Brothers are back to make the dream comic arch they’ve always loved.
One more theory is that she changed him , so that started Dr.doom ark, But when he snapped and died , all the infinity stone energy killed him in that form, and really woke up, Dr doom. This could explain why he needs the mask , His face is still messed up from the snap. Boom, Rdj Dr. doom , With magic .. just like the mind stone brought Wanda’s magic to life
This was my theory, She changed him , and it was a vision of secret wars that she showed him , When cap say “ you could’ve saved us”. That was battle world .
I like this theory but I think there were 5 different timelines that were created in the movie end game. They traveled back to four different points in the mcu past. 2012, 2013, 2014, and 1970. The fifth was created in 2018 when Clint Barton decided to test the time machine to see if it works. I think each of these points creates an important branch in time. 2012 Dr. Strange from 838 as an example, and the Tony Stark from 838 could also be the one to become Doctor Doom. Strange taps into the Darkhold to defeat Thanos and gets corrupted, maybe Tony talked to him at that point to where he shows Tony the power of the Darkhold and that's how Doom is created. I think if that's the case he'd combine magic from the Darkhold with technology to become Doom. So he can prevent whatever is coming... I also think that the 1970 branch is the timeline where the fantastic four ends up in. Maybe that branch being created is how they got in another universe to begin with.
IMO, AntMan's Pym particles is still the best solution to kill Thanos. The reason all of the experiments failed is that the organic materials didn't shrink in the same rate resulting in a popped zit. So What If Thanos got hit with the Pym particles, it would be a violet zit. Or AntMan goes inside Thanos and supersizes while inside.
At this point, I just think that RDJ is just going to portray Victor Von Doom, without any further explanation, other than the Multiverse, just like the (SPOILER ALERT)🔥in D&W. My theory is just that there are three types of variants: - Variant by identity - Variant by mantle - Variant by genes (which is the type of variant Tony Stark and Dr Doom will be to each other, the same genes but with different name, mantle and origin story)
Im going with a Tony Stark that is Doom in his Universe that defeated a Iromman or he is Victor Von Doom in his Universe and defeated Ironman or the Avengers in his Universe. I wanna see how are they going to assert his dominance in Doomsday to let the audience know how big and serious a threat he can be.....
Chris Evans is Captain America in one universe but he's also Human Torch in another, this is probably the same thing, we have Robert Downey Jr is iron Man in one universe and then he's Doctor Doom in another lol I think it's just that simple to be honest
What if there were two outcomes Doctor Strange foresaw during Infinity War where they won…but he chose to sacrifice Tony because of what he might become. What else would change Tony Stark from the point of surviving endgame into becoming Doom? Maybe in the alternative Universe, he quickly discovers about the multiverse through his time research but something happens, leading to the death of his own family. The kicker, maybe Pepper Potts is the anchor being, by failing to save her, he also loses his daughter and everyone he's ever known. Imagine after going through everything through the infinity Saga, only to discover when its too late that what stopped him from going over the edge was the anchor of his entire universe. This would be like Tony's grand idea for ultron but applied to everything under his rule. Orrr he's Victor Von Doom….and not Tony Stark. Thats a possibility…but Marvel tends to go for a blend of stories rather then strictly inspired by one comic story.
@@SamuelHereAmI politics bruh... Disney Marvel got Warner DC’s golden boy… Project Black Womb as part of an Origins: Sinister storyline to piece mutants in is nice too
Cool theory but given the fact that the Russo brothers said in a panel that he is playing Victor Von Doom, this theory gets shot down before it even gets off the ground. Your adoption theory fits so much better
Here’s my theory: Tony Stark is 616’s “anchor being”, or whatever. DOOM shows up from another universe, but 616 thinks it’s a Tony variant. DOOM Tony tells 616 that their universe is dying and tries convinces them to leave with him to a “safer universe”, or some shit. 616 doesn’t want to leave, so now DOOM Tony has to force them. They fight, DOOM wins, and takes 616 to Battle World. Cue the next phase of the MCU, in which all movies will take place in Battle World. Then this saga will end with Secret Wars as the final film. Or RDJ is a fake-out and I am completely wrong.
I think Fantastic 4 is under Wanda’s spell and that’s why they’re in a Wandavision like “universe”… I think IronMan didn’t die and he is also under Wanda’s spell in that reality so he becomes Doom but he’ll snap out of it and become IronMan again
No way bro they didnt think that far ahead...RDJ wouldnt be back yet if they hadnt been missing the mark for the last few years. And he said he liked complicaited characters???
I feel like its too weak of a moment to make a Stark become a Doom variant. I kinda want them to take a fresh approach with this backstory, no mirror of previous 616 events, have some gnarly backstory that makes people go "oh shit" when its revealed, id even take a storyline of him being from this F4 future 60s universe. I feel like a "the same thing happened from a previous movie but it made him more dark" is too easy
After WandaVision I went back n watched Age of Ultron. I think my favorite scene might be when Wanda sees Tony's vision. It changed my initial feelings on the movie. I've come to really like Age of Ultron, and if I had a ranking, it would have climed the rankings ffsho. I would love it, if this moment has an effect on this DooMStark
Just pointing out, Tony & Bruce had already made Ultron when the magic visions happened. Ultron escaped Avengers tower, and the team found him at the shipyard, where Wanda then magicked them, causing the Hulk's rampage.
This would also mean 2012 in doom verse there’s a different hulk from the 838 maybe the fantastic 4 post credit scene is the 616 and 838 clashing together and Doom right there with Bruce banner looking at the 616 to get revenge
I think were going to learn that the “Sacred Timeline” is a post House of M Timeline and Doctor Strange is gunna find RDJ Doom and Wanda chillin at Castle Doom
I personally expect that this will be a variant of Stark where him and the actual victor von doom of his timeline ended up getting mixed up at birth. He then goes on with his life assuming the role of victor von doom only to eventually discover the truth and when he does, he murders the actual victor von doom (who believes he is tony stark) and then will end up with some iron man tech or smth that he makes into the doom armour (mainly bc i have a feeling that Tony ending up with a suit of armour would be one of those cannon events/ absolute points from what if/ spiderverse) and that way, he would be doom, whilst also technically being Tony which would explain the casting but he would remain as victor bc that is the life he lived and the name he was given. Eventually some time after secret wars, i imagine we will get an actual victor von doom from the mcu main timeline who is inspired by either photos/ videos of or parts of armour from this version of doom but the mcu one will be much less of a multiverse level threat.
That's a great theory, but if you think the DEI writers will be able to give it that deep of thought and generate an organic story, your trippin😆 I'm right there with ya though👍 amazing theory and great story potential
Its gon be way more simple.. marvel said RDJ is playing Doom, they didnt say Tony is back yo become Doom .. much like Brolin playing both cable and Thanos.. No hoopla .. here the longest shot .. they brought him back for his range as an actor and prolly wont look like the “tony” we saw in an way shape or form
No, Doom uses the Infinity Stones to make himself look like Tony Stark. Remember, Doom believes he has been disfigured. So going into a new universe with a metal mask or a disfigured face could create problems. So he used the stones to look like a hero of the world he's from (possibly 616)
Attention class. There is zero chance that this is not a Stark variant. Any scarring will be minimal. Just like the comics. Why? Because they're going to use the fact that Doom has Stark's face for a ton of serious character moments. He's a Stark variant who, for some reason, is named Victor Von Doom. Besides, it's not like Marvel has never lied or tried to misdirect the fan base. They literally put out fake leaks for DP3. Them calling him Victor on stage just means that's what they want our line of thought to be. Nothing more.
Wrong! Its a Howard Stark variant that survived the Bucky assassination, pretended to be dead and watched his wife die. Decided to change name and live another life in Latveria where Howard learned magic.
I think he's just from the universe that they're going to come from and he's Doctor Doom in that universe I don't think he has any ties to iron Man but I could be wrong Im Just Saiyan HGD✌️
It has to be Doom changing bodies with Toney to have access to his money and power. Nothing else makes sense. I guess he could be Doom with no reason he looks like Toney but i hate that.
Everybody is looking for the connection with the 616 or 838 universe but I think it's gonna be a universe we never seen yet with a whole different origin like swaps brains with Doom or we never see his face cause of the mask and his face is disfigured anyway so maybe on camera ge looks nothing like RDJ
Where are the DEFENDERS? That Electra needs to be cannon along with that Iron Fist, That Luke Cage, and in connection that Ghost Rider . We need those chess pieces on the board.
It was a desperate move by Marvel, my friend. There’s no way you can look at this casting and say to yourself it was planned damn near the very beginning.
Where did they state that? The only 'evidence' of that is them saying on stage before RDJ came out.... but they aren't going to spoil it before the reveal are they? They wanted a huge reveal of who is Dr Doom.
Why does it have to be a stark variant??? We have captain America as Chris evans and human torch as Chris evans… why can’t it just be doom who looks like stark?
5:10 let's be honest Doctor Strange would have done a spell right there to reflect everything coming at him back at the people in front of him and would have been the only Survivor of the Illuminati in that universe
So do we not get a victor von doom? Its just a tony stark from some other universe as doom? Or is it simply that this version of Victor Von Doom looks identical to tony stark?
Why does it have to be Iron Man Tony Stark turned at some point into Doom? Why can't he be Victor Von Doom from birth. An ancestor who would have become a Stark perhaps instead never immigrated to the US and stayed in Eastern Europe, the family line attaining the title Von Doom at some point.
It wont be Tony Stark. its the dumbest thing. Dooms mask is fused to his face so we wont see that, change his face with prosthetics for the small scenes without it (origin) and boom. RDJ playing a new character. he has the chops to do it.
What you believe is wrong. I have it on very good authority that RDJ will simply play Doom. That is all. He's not going to be a multiverse varient thing or some other thing. Nope RDJ is just going to take on another Marvel character and that is that. Just like Chris Evans playing the role as Human Torch and then later Captain America. So get a grip go outside and touch grass and most of all just Deal with it.
Tony Stark never died in Endgame. Because Doctor Dooms origin is that he was born in like a Nazi Germany type of country and his parents died. He went to study and learn at Empire State University. Then he started to experiments on his body to become a body and human like Captain America to overthrow the government and kill the dictator. But the experiments failed which caused his whole body to scar ( like deadpool ). Then he went to Tibet where monks melted and welded and made his helmet and suit. Then he went and killed the dictator and overthrew the government. But my theory comes into play. Tony Stark never dies because I think he follows Doom’s origin and turns into a monster. Then the now modern avengers are gonna be like. WHAT THE HELL Btw the new Avengers are: - Deadpool - Wolverine - the new black panther - Kate Bishop And more And Kang is related to this movie as well 🛑🛑SPOILER ALERT🛑🛑 If you don’t want to see some Deadpool and Wolverine spoilers Pls don’t read Basically Deadpool gets taken to the TVA and sees some content he should not see. Like Thor crying over Deadpool’s death bc he is linked to upcoming movies. At this point Loki doesn’t own the TVA yet I think But the movie tells us about an anchor being which means that if this unknown person dies, the timeline dies. There’s been rumours and jokes and here are the suspects and worked out ones : Confirmed : - Wolverine Rumours: - Doctor Strange - Spider-Man - Scarlet Witch - Loki Jokes : - Ned ( Spider-Man’s pookie ) And in Wolverine and X-23 ( idk know the name ). Wolverine dies my impalement and failed regeneration because of old age 🛑🛑SPOILER ALERT🛑🛑 Deadpool digs up Wolverine at the start of the movie. But Deadpool goes through timelines ( I think ) and finds different variants of Wolverine. Until he finds the real one the restore the anchor I forgot to say but the Anchor Being can be different variants of that character Another theory of mine that was popped into my head at 02:14AM Is that in series 2 of Loki. Loki gets the time stone and manages and controls timelines. So this could mean that since Loki has tampered with these timelines Deadpool and X-Men combined then now X-Men and Avengers. Also Kang has started his own courts of his variants So this could mean these tamperings could have happened way before anything else in the MCU So Loki started before the whole MCU to then combine other universes and timelines into one And going back to Endgame Doctor Strange saw 14,000,605 outcome of the fight with Thanos. 14,000,604 loses 1 win But theories have shown that Doctor Strange was lying because two rumours I heard was Number 1: Doctor Strange saw one possibility and that was time travel since he knew that Ant-Man was about to enter the Quantum to do something for a task or smt and you only have 10 Seconds in the Quantum so Doctor Strange had a 10 Second window of time to hand the infinity stone to Thanos, snap. And put Ant-Man into a time vortex which would have invented time travel and that would’ve gained that one chance of victory Number 2: In the first Doctor Strange, when the Ancient One died, Doctor Strange went into soul form and talked to The Ancient One and gave him life skills ( care about other more than yourself and that ). And at that moment he saw the possibility of a win he knew he had to sacrifice something so he gave up the infinity stone to Thanos to save Iron Man and then Thanos snapped which then dusted Doctor Strange but before Strange died, the rumour said he thought of a loss-win strategy which he went on to do. And there was another rumour thinking of like Marvel and DC coming to together because at that time of that video I watched being released it was probably a year ago or more ( Covid time). So basically DC are now in a reboot phase and Marvel have lost economically. So thought of Marvel X DC is still a big though with Kevin. Now Deadpool and Wolverine is the last Marvel related movie made by Fox 20th Century so now Deadpool and X-Men is now Marvel. So this takeover could be covere up by an idea of Loki tampering timelines and connecting them. Also the TVA has more victims than you think because the TVA is for people who have tampered time. So these people are victims: Loki Deadpool Cable Doctor Strange Syllvie Captain America Ant-Man ( possible ) Iron Man And more So that would make sense for the Ice Box and the TVA to be connected because in Deadpool 2 this kid and Wade is transported to an isolated prison. The police used demutantising collars produced for mutants and it’s for preventing mutants powers. This type of collar was used on Loki. And plus the fact that they look the exact same but a little different design But after the Kang stuff I have another theory at 02:36AM So basically at the end of Shang Chi. Shang and his friends are talking to Captain Marvel about the Ten Rings and then they realise that the rings are sending a message. Kang’s world or planet is full of rings similar to Kang’s. Now Galan, now Galactus the Destroyer of Worlds has a scout. I now think that this scout is Kang. I think Galan and Kang have formed to then attack against the avengers. This is where doom comes back into play Doom and Loki are going to come together and be like Doom : we are cooked Loki : I agree let’s get all the villains and hero’s and beat him up Doom : okay Then spend a whole movie getting all the people next movie strategy then fight. But I think someone like Loki goes to far in the timelines and interconnects to whole different timelines so I’m talking DC, Harry Potter and that stuff. So Loki is going to ponder into the Justice League room and fight the Justice League and say that we are cooked and to come help and it’s basically Team 1: Marvel Hero’s Marvel Villians DC Hero’s VS Team 2 Kang Galactus DC Villians Anyway I think Galactus is going to travel along a timeline into the TVA, beat the hell out of Loki and kill him again. Then reverse time back until the Big Bang then unreverse it and make triple the variants and add the Quantum plus the current Earth which will then combust together to make a combination of just chaos. Then, 💥 Annihilation happens now it’s Everyone vs Annihilation Then it’s going to add dead and current Villians to the same universe and the same for hero’s and just complete immortal war between the two sides. But then Galactus who ran off after he ate a time line and a little fight comes back with his type 5 diabetes with a massive asteroid belt of planets around his belly comes and eats those variants That should take about 10 years to make
He’s from the same universe as Reed Richards (the smartest man in the world). He would *NOT* turn to Stranger, when Reed is right there. Waste of time.
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OR…RDJ Doctor Doom is from the 838 Universe. He was part of the Illuminati as Superior Iron Man. After Wanda kills the Illuminati he seeks out the Darkhold, goes full on evil using tech and magic and becomes Dr.Doom.
This makes so much sense bro!!!!!
What about 838 Mordo? Not only is he still alive, but as the active Sorcerer Supreme, wouldn't he possess the Eye of Agamodo (time stone) and could have possibly revive the already slained illuminati members?
@@mrmonte1975 He wouldn't do that because look at how he reacted to Strange using it to stop the dark dimension from entering our world. He is a "True Believer" in the rhetoric that the Ancient One taught. He believes it to go against his beliefs to use that power. It is to be guarded against not used.
Josh is adamant about not accepting this theory.
I just don’t understand why Victor Von Doom has to be anything involved with Tony Stark period?
Can he just be his own character (one that is infinitely better than Tony Stark)
Thanos also called Tony out, saying he knew of him I think that’s an important plot point that we don’t realize
“Stark?” “ you know me ?“ “You’re not the only one cursed with knowledge “
Ok hear me out.
I think it's Tony Stark from Earth-838 that got a hold of the Darkhold after Dr Strange took out Thanos. Tony's ego got the best of him and he prosued to find out how he could have been out bested by Dr Strange since he had already perfected the ultron program. He then studied the Darkhold and it consumed him.
I think this doom variant might happen way before thanos, especially if they want to tie him with the fantastic 4.
@@ronthorn3 I don't think the Fantastic 4 takes place in Earth-616. Also the multiverse and time is kind of weird so we will see how that all works out.
or hear me out, hes dr doomm, vic von doom
@@autograph415 that would be terrible. There are much better choices for Victor von doom and I'm sure we will get the actual Victor but It makes no sense and will ruin the immersion if RDJ isn't Tony.
A hold of the Darkhold lol
Man do I hope they nail this and straighten things out. I really, really wanna care again like I used to.
My son is 5 now. Back when he was born, I was ecstatic about him growing up and watching all this stuff with me. But then everything fell apart. I have every Blu-Ray up until Shang Chi, and saw every movie up until that in the theater. But I haven’t been back since and haven’t bought a single blu ray after Shang Chi.
My kid is close to being old enough to enjoy this stuff with me. He’s definitely a fan of many Marvel characters, but he doesn’t even know the MCU exists. It just hasn’t been something I cared about anymore since he’s been old enough to get it. But I’d be thrilled if they could fix things, I I could actually have the decade or two to enjoy it with my son like I envisioned back when he was becoming a reality in my life. I really want that excitement and enjoyment back…but I’d be embarrassed and ashamed to tell anyone, let alone my son, that I’m a fan of the miserable crap that they’ve put out the last few years!! It’s garbage and such a shame they allowed this to occur!!
FIX IT NOW!!!😂😂
only good part in the past couple years was wanda vision and doctor strange movie
You can't fix stupid. Especially, when Hollywood refuses to talk to kirby's people/Children who holds the rights to storyboards of their fathers work. 😢. Therefore you are going to get a half-baked 😢version of Dr Doom
They said Dr Doom is Dr doom. Not Tony Stark is iron man becoming Dr Doom
I hope so
oh yeah that's true and they would Never lie to us.
0:05 I believe they should of casted someone else other then iron man
RDJ is not playing a Iron Man variant! He’s playing Victor Von Doom. He’ll have makeup or CGI and will be a whole other character. Y’all forgetting what kind of actor this guy is. Tropic Thunder.
@@TheMindx1 but they wouldn’t bring him back and cover his face. When doom takes off that mask for the first time it will RDJ’s face.
@@darthbishop4543 makeup, cgi. A good actor doesn’t always look like themselves. I see it as a missed opportunity to NOT go this route and show off his acting abilities.
@@TheMindx1 i think your missing the impact of the scenes with our heroes seeing his face as the villain. Could you imagine the look on Peters face when he see that doom is a version of his mentor? Think about it.. what it seems like they are doing is that doom and Tony are actually the same person both went down different paths.
@@darthbishop4543 yea I don’t see the appeal in that.
@@darthbishop4543 i agree with you. And if you think about it the Name Victor von Doom is kind of a silly Name. It’s a talking Name that gives a lot away about the Person. It makes more sense that Dr. Doom is only his made-up Name. Live Action Adaptations of Comic Book Charakters nowadays try to make silly parts in their kind of way logical….sorry if something wasn’t understandable, i‘m from Germany.
In the What If comics, Doom stole Stark's body in order to steal his stark fortune. I think that's the way they are going.
Hope not
I like the earlier theory about him being adopted in the 616 a bit more than this one. Still cool though.
I put on age of ultron the other night and when that part came on i was like ooooohhhh maaaaaan
Please put Jonathan Majors as Kang in this movie even if he and his variants get defeated in the first 10 minutes of the movie. He deserves a 2nd chance ❤
Think this Doom origin may be pieced together from a couple of different stories.
"Tony Stark" who finds out he was adopted by the Starks.. researches his lineage, finds out his mother was a gypsy from another country. Discovers has an aptitude for magic, combines with his tech prowess.
If Wanda is involved... he Discovers here after losing his mother. Realizes science only cannot resurrect her... he hears of a book called the "darkhold". During his search, he finds wanda (already the Scarlett witch).... who teaches him the arts.
It's a lot of ways Doom can emerge
This is so smart! Especially noting that Doctor Strange connecting with the Avengers earlier would have introduced him to Magic in a way that might have made him more receptive.
Super neat theory, speculation is some of the most fun stuff building up the hype
I think there’s one key thing everyone’s missing here, time, and connecting Doom with the F4, Tony turning into doom during age of ultron, just don’t see it. He had to have been turned way earlier. Idk, we literally have no idea.
Feige and Russo Brothers were ingenious with this move because it’s getting people excited again for the MCU we love and getting us talking again about these theories and crazy what ifs.
I will enjoy the reveal when this movie happens as I honestly don’t know what direction they’ll go. I always go back to Age of Ultron with the moments of his visions that Wanda gave him and think that would be an excellent scenario, but honestly I’m just excited once again Russo Brothers are back to make the dream comic arch they’ve always loved.
One more theory is that she changed him , so that started Dr.doom ark, But when he snapped and died , all the infinity stone energy killed him in that form, and really woke up, Dr doom. This could explain why he needs the mask , His face is still messed up from the snap. Boom, Rdj Dr. doom , With magic .. just like the mind stone brought Wanda’s magic to life
If this ends up being Doctor Doom's backstory, they should use Sounds of Silence as his theme song. Read the lyrics.
This was my theory, She changed him , and it was a vision of secret wars that she showed him , When cap say “ you could’ve saved us”. That was battle world .
I like this theory but I think there were 5 different timelines that were created in the movie end game. They traveled back to four different points in the mcu past. 2012, 2013, 2014, and 1970. The fifth was created in 2018 when Clint Barton decided to test the time machine to see if it works. I think each of these points creates an important branch in time. 2012 Dr. Strange from 838 as an example, and the Tony Stark from 838 could also be the one to become Doctor Doom. Strange taps into the Darkhold to defeat Thanos and gets corrupted, maybe Tony talked to him at that point to where he shows Tony the power of the Darkhold and that's how Doom is created. I think if that's the case he'd combine magic from the Darkhold with technology to become Doom. So he can prevent whatever is coming... I also think that the 1970 branch is the timeline where the fantastic four ends up in. Maybe that branch being created is how they got in another universe to begin with.
I could see RDJs character being there when they fought Thanos in 838 and him and Strange learned the same Dark magic
IMO, AntMan's Pym particles is still the best solution to kill Thanos. The reason all of the experiments failed is that the organic materials didn't shrink in the same rate resulting in a popped zit. So What If Thanos got hit with the Pym particles, it would be a violet zit. Or AntMan goes inside Thanos and supersizes while inside.
amazing theory, for real
You know I got a lot going on in my life rn sonits nice to get my brain to go on a need out like this so seriously thank you for what you do
Fascinating im on board
At this point, I just think that RDJ is just going to portray Victor Von Doom, without any further explanation, other than the Multiverse, just like the (SPOILER ALERT)🔥in D&W. My theory is just that there are three types of variants:
- Variant by identity
- Variant by mantle
- Variant by genes (which is the type of variant Tony Stark and Dr Doom will be to each other, the same genes but with different name, mantle and origin story)
Im going with a Tony Stark that is Doom in his Universe that defeated a Iromman or he is Victor Von Doom in his Universe and defeated Ironman or the Avengers in his Universe. I wanna see how are they going to assert his dominance in Doomsday to let the audience know how big and serious a threat he can be.....
The Russo brothers said this guy was always Victor Von Doom. That means if it is a Stark variant, something happened when he was an infant.
this whol thought process gets me so fucking hyped for doomsday
Chris Evans is Captain America in one universe but he's also Human Torch in another, this is probably the same thing, we have Robert Downey Jr is iron Man in one universe and then he's Doctor Doom in another lol I think it's just that simple to be honest
It would be insane if Dr Strange seen this in the 1million+ outcomes🤮
What if there were two outcomes Doctor Strange foresaw during Infinity War where they won…but he chose to sacrifice Tony because of what he might become.
What else would change Tony Stark from the point of surviving endgame into becoming Doom? Maybe in the alternative Universe, he quickly discovers about the multiverse through his time research but something happens, leading to the death of his own family.
The kicker, maybe Pepper Potts is the anchor being, by failing to save her, he also loses his daughter and everyone he's ever known. Imagine after going through everything through the infinity Saga, only to discover when its too late that what stopped him from going over the edge was the anchor of his entire universe.
This would be like Tony's grand idea for ultron but applied to everything under his rule. Orrr he's Victor Von Doom….and not Tony Stark. Thats a possibility…but Marvel tends to go for a blend of stories rather then strictly inspired by one comic story.
Dope
If Ultron didnt go bad in the other universe, why would Wanda be a villian or have the need to show Tony his future.
Wanda shows him the vision before he makes Ultron. It's the last thing that convinces him to do it.
#SinisterCavill before SecretWar
I love Sinister, and that could be dope, but I'd prefer Cyclops
@@SamuelHereAmI politics bruh... Disney Marvel got Warner DC’s golden boy… Project Black Womb as part of an Origins: Sinister storyline to piece mutants in is nice too
Cool theory but given the fact that the Russo brothers said in a panel that he is playing Victor Von Doom, this theory gets shot down before it even gets off the ground. Your adoption theory fits so much better
I think it was strange when he saw all the possible outcomes. He chose another route
I love this theory 🥳👌🏼
I seriously hope doom is Victor von doom and not a tiny stark variation
Here’s my theory:
Tony Stark is 616’s “anchor being”, or whatever. DOOM shows up from another universe, but 616 thinks it’s a Tony variant. DOOM Tony tells 616 that their universe is dying and tries convinces them to leave with him to a “safer universe”, or some shit. 616 doesn’t want to leave, so now DOOM Tony has to force them. They fight, DOOM wins, and takes 616 to Battle World. Cue the next phase of the MCU, in which all movies will take place in Battle World. Then this saga will end with Secret Wars as the final film.
Or RDJ is a fake-out and I am completely wrong.
I think Fantastic 4 is under Wanda’s spell and that’s why they’re in a Wandavision like “universe”… I think IronMan didn’t die and he is also under Wanda’s spell in that reality so he becomes Doom but he’ll snap out of it and become IronMan again
No way bro they didnt think that far ahead...RDJ wouldnt be back yet if they hadnt been missing the mark for the last few years. And he said he liked complicaited characters???
I feel like its too weak of a moment to make a Stark become a Doom variant. I kinda want them to take a fresh approach with this backstory, no mirror of previous 616 events, have some gnarly backstory that makes people go "oh shit" when its revealed, id even take a storyline of him being from this F4 future 60s universe. I feel like a "the same thing happened from a previous movie but it made him more dark" is too easy
After WandaVision I went back n watched Age of Ultron. I think my favorite scene might be when Wanda sees Tony's vision. It changed my initial feelings on the movie. I've come to really like Age of Ultron, and if I had a ranking, it would have climed the rankings ffsho.
I would love it, if this moment has an effect on this DooMStark
Just pointing out, Tony & Bruce had already made Ultron when the magic visions happened.
Ultron escaped Avengers tower, and the team found him at the shipyard, where Wanda then magicked them, causing the Hulk's rampage.
This would also mean 2012 in doom verse there’s a different hulk from the 838 maybe the fantastic 4 post credit scene is the 616 and 838 clashing together and Doom right there with Bruce banner looking at the 616 to get revenge
I think were going to learn that the “Sacred Timeline” is a post House of M Timeline and Doctor Strange is gunna find RDJ Doom and Wanda chillin at Castle Doom
I can't do theories..ugh. I'll wait
I personally expect that this will be a variant of Stark where him and the actual victor von doom of his timeline ended up getting mixed up at birth. He then goes on with his life assuming the role of victor von doom only to eventually discover the truth and when he does, he murders the actual victor von doom (who believes he is tony stark) and then will end up with some iron man tech or smth that he makes into the doom armour (mainly bc i have a feeling that Tony ending up with a suit of armour would be one of those cannon events/ absolute points from what if/ spiderverse) and that way, he would be doom, whilst also technically being Tony which would explain the casting but he would remain as victor bc that is the life he lived and the name he was given. Eventually some time after secret wars, i imagine we will get an actual victor von doom from the mcu main timeline who is inspired by either photos/ videos of or parts of armour from this version of doom but the mcu one will be much less of a multiverse level threat.
That's a great theory, but if you think the DEI writers will be able to give it that deep of thought and generate an organic story, your trippin😆 I'm right there with ya though👍 amazing theory and great story potential
I've noticed that nothing has been as good as the 90s, though. There's definitely more characterization back then.
always lookin for a reason to complain huh
Its gon be way more simple.. marvel said RDJ is playing Doom, they didnt say Tony is back yo become Doom .. much like Brolin playing both cable and Thanos.. No hoopla .. here the longest shot .. they brought him back for his range as an actor and prolly wont look like the “tony” we saw in an way shape or form
Casting Robert Downey Jr as Doom is like bringing Matthew Lillard back to Scream
Please tell me you are not one of these stu macher is alive fools.
No, Doom uses the Infinity Stones to make himself look like Tony Stark. Remember, Doom believes he has been disfigured. So going into a new universe with a metal mask or a disfigured face could create problems. So he used the stones to look like a hero of the world he's from (possibly 616)
One thing I remember them saying is that this is Victor VonDoom he's playing. So does he change his name?
Attention class. There is zero chance that this is not a Stark variant. Any scarring will be minimal. Just like the comics. Why? Because they're going to use the fact that Doom has Stark's face for a ton of serious character moments. He's a Stark variant who, for some reason, is named Victor Von Doom. Besides, it's not like Marvel has never lied or tried to misdirect the fan base. They literally put out fake leaks for DP3. Them calling him Victor on stage just means that's what they want our line of thought to be. Nothing more.
Wrong! Its a Howard Stark variant that survived the Bucky assassination, pretended to be dead and watched his wife die. Decided to change name and live another life in Latveria where Howard learned magic.
I think he's just from the universe that they're going to come from and he's Doctor Doom in that universe I don't think he has any ties to iron Man but I could be wrong Im Just Saiyan HGD✌️
What if Tony’s variant is victor and he snaps when Loki tries to take over and ends up killing Loki and the green cloak he wears is from Loki
i thought we had a different theory elsewhere hahaha
Then he mixes technology and magic to keep himself alive
He was the villain the whole time
I absolutely hope not. Have him be Victor Von Doom or recast him
How could he cause incursions from dream walking? I thought that was just his version seeing things in their world through their dreams.
Great theory brother!
That is my theory. I had to watch AGE OF ULTRON AGAIN..after he said new mask same task
Awesome
It has to be Doom changing bodies with Toney to have access to his money and power. Nothing else makes sense. I guess he could be Doom with no reason he looks like Toney but i hate that.
This Dr Doom is old man nobody wants 60%40
Everybody is looking for the connection with the 616 or 838 universe but I think it's gonna be a universe we never seen yet with a whole different origin like swaps brains with Doom or we never see his face cause of the mask and his face is disfigured anyway so maybe on camera ge looks nothing like RDJ
This’ll be horrible if it’s true. Doom needs to be Victor. Not Tony.
Where are the DEFENDERS? That Electra needs to be cannon along with that Iron Fist, That Luke Cage, and in connection that Ghost Rider . We need those chess pieces on the board.
Marvel Studios isn’t as smart as you or Me……don’t ever forget that…we’re destined to be let down
It was a desperate move by Marvel, my friend. There’s no way you can look at this casting and say to yourself it was planned damn near the very beginning.
Marvel Studios stated RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom. Not Iron Man turned Dr Doom. Please just stop.
Right! Alot of these RDJ Dr Doom videos often leave that part out.
Where did they state that? The only 'evidence' of that is them saying on stage before RDJ came out.... but they aren't going to spoil it before the reveal are they? They wanted a huge reveal of who is Dr Doom.
You gotta be starting something 🎶🎶
@@willfield9881”where did they state that” then proceeds to tell when it was stated.
Yea, it was reported that the Russo brothers were on record saying it after the Comic-Con panel. It was reported that same week.
Why does it have to be a stark variant??? We have captain America as Chris evans and human torch as Chris evans… why can’t it just be doom who looks like stark?
0:09 SOLD!!!
Doom is the goat
After the snap and he burned his body to a crisp
It’s easier than all this…von doom is using Tony’s face to gain affection
It's simple though, this is just Doom light, to wrap up everything with big dramatics. Real Doom comes later. Respect, but RDJ can't do Doom justice.
Multiverse! I don't think this is the same Tony. Just like Captain America was really Johnny Storm.
Josh are you gonna do a video on the craven trailer with rhino in it?
I really want it to be earth 616 Tony Stark fuck it let's get real dark
5:10 let's be honest Doctor Strange would have done a spell right there to reflect everything coming at him back at the people in front of him and would have been the only Survivor of the Illuminati in that universe
Idk bro, that Tony is dead. The Dr Doom that were gonna see is gonna have a back story that's gonna blow our minds!!
So do we not get a victor von doom? Its just a tony stark from some other universe as doom? Or is it simply that this version of Victor Von Doom looks identical to tony stark?
Why does it have to be Iron Man Tony Stark turned at some point into Doom? Why can't he be Victor Von Doom from birth. An ancestor who would have become a Stark perhaps instead never immigrated to the US and stayed in Eastern Europe, the family line attaining the title Von Doom at some point.
Bruh they said he's playing victor von doom
can we just stop the damn theories that its a varient of stark, until they make any hints, hes doom
It wont be Tony Stark. its the dumbest thing. Dooms mask is fused to his face so we wont see that, change his face with prosthetics for the small scenes without it (origin) and boom. RDJ playing a new character. he has the chops to do it.
bro really said this was the strongest theory he’s ever made then continues to lay out the most mediocre argument for it possible
except Marvel says he's playing Victor Von Doom??
What you believe is wrong. I have it on very good authority that RDJ will simply play Doom. That is all. He's not going to be a multiverse varient thing or some other thing. Nope RDJ is just going to take on another Marvel character and that is that. Just like Chris Evans playing the role as Human Torch and then later Captain America. So get a grip go outside and touch grass and most of all just Deal with it.
What if he read the darkhold… simple
Tony Stark never died in Endgame.
Because Doctor Dooms origin is that he was born in like a Nazi Germany type of country and his parents died. He went to study and learn at Empire State University. Then he started to experiments on his body to become a body and human like Captain America to overthrow the government and kill the dictator.
But the experiments failed which caused his whole body to scar ( like deadpool ). Then he went to Tibet where monks melted and welded and made his helmet and suit. Then he went and killed the dictator and overthrew the government.
But my theory comes into play.
Tony Stark never dies because I think he follows Doom’s origin and turns into a monster.
Then the now modern avengers are gonna be like. WHAT THE HELL
Btw the new Avengers are:
- Deadpool
- Wolverine
- the new black panther
- Kate Bishop And more And Kang is related to this movie as well
🛑🛑SPOILER ALERT🛑🛑
If you don’t want to see some Deadpool and Wolverine spoilers
Pls don’t read
Basically Deadpool gets taken to the TVA and sees some content he should not see. Like Thor crying over Deadpool’s death bc he is linked to upcoming movies.
At this point Loki doesn’t own the TVA yet I think
But the movie tells us about an anchor being which means that if this unknown person dies, the timeline dies.
There’s been rumours and jokes and here are the suspects and worked out ones :
Confirmed :
- Wolverine
Rumours:
- Doctor Strange
- Spider-Man
- Scarlet Witch
- Loki
Jokes :
- Ned ( Spider-Man’s pookie )
And in Wolverine and X-23 ( idk know the name ). Wolverine dies my impalement and failed regeneration because of old age
🛑🛑SPOILER ALERT🛑🛑
Deadpool digs up Wolverine at the start of the movie.
But Deadpool goes through timelines ( I think ) and finds different variants of Wolverine.
Until he finds the real one the restore the anchor
I forgot to say but the Anchor Being can be different variants of that character
Another theory of mine that was popped into my head at 02:14AM
Is that in series 2 of Loki. Loki gets the time stone and manages and controls timelines.
So this could mean that since Loki has tampered with these timelines Deadpool and X-Men combined then now X-Men and Avengers.
Also Kang has started his own courts of his variants
So this could mean these tamperings could have happened way before anything else in the MCU So Loki started before the whole MCU to then combine other universes and timelines into one
And going back to Endgame
Doctor Strange saw 14,000,605 outcome of the fight with Thanos.
14,000,604 loses
1 win
But theories have shown that Doctor Strange was lying because two rumours I heard was
Number 1:
Doctor Strange saw one possibility and that was time travel since he knew that Ant-Man was about to enter the Quantum to do something for a task or smt and you only have 10 Seconds in the Quantum so Doctor Strange had a 10 Second window of time to hand the infinity stone to Thanos, snap. And put Ant-Man into a time vortex which would have invented time travel and that would’ve gained that one chance of victory
Number 2:
In the first Doctor Strange, when the Ancient One died, Doctor Strange went into soul form and talked to The Ancient One and gave him life skills ( care about other more than yourself and that ). And at that moment he saw the possibility of a win he knew he had to sacrifice something so he gave up the infinity stone to Thanos to save Iron Man and then Thanos snapped which then dusted Doctor Strange but before Strange died, the rumour said he thought of a loss-win strategy which he went on to do.
And there was another rumour thinking of like Marvel and DC coming to together because at that time of that video I watched being released it was probably a year ago or more ( Covid time). So basically DC are now in a reboot phase and Marvel have lost economically. So thought of Marvel X DC is still a big though with Kevin.
Now Deadpool and Wolverine is the last Marvel related movie made by Fox 20th Century so now Deadpool and X-Men is now Marvel.
So this takeover could be covere up by an idea of Loki tampering timelines and connecting them.
Also the TVA has more victims than you think because the TVA is for people who have tampered time.
So these people are victims:
Loki
Deadpool
Cable
Doctor Strange
Syllvie
Captain America
Ant-Man ( possible )
Iron Man
And more
So that would make sense for the Ice Box and the TVA to be connected because in Deadpool 2 this kid and Wade is transported to an isolated prison. The police used demutantising collars produced for mutants and it’s for preventing mutants powers.
This type of collar was used on Loki. And plus the fact that they look the exact same but a little different design
But after the Kang stuff
I have another theory at 02:36AM
So basically at the end of Shang Chi. Shang and his friends are talking to Captain Marvel about the Ten Rings and then they realise that the rings are sending a message.
Kang’s world or planet is full of rings similar to Kang’s.
Now Galan, now Galactus the Destroyer of Worlds has a scout. I now think that this scout is Kang. I think Galan and Kang have formed to then attack against the avengers.
This is where doom comes back into play
Doom and Loki are going to come together and be like
Doom : we are cooked
Loki : I agree let’s get all the villains and hero’s and beat him up
Doom : okay
Then spend a whole movie getting all the people next movie strategy then fight.
But I think someone like Loki goes to far in the timelines and interconnects to whole different timelines so I’m talking DC, Harry Potter and that stuff.
So Loki is going to ponder into the Justice League room and fight the Justice League and say that we are cooked and to come help
and it’s basically
Team 1:
Marvel Hero’s
Marvel Villians
DC Hero’s
VS
Team 2
Kang
Galactus
DC Villians
Anyway
I think Galactus is going to travel along a timeline into the TVA, beat the hell out of Loki and kill him again.
Then reverse time back until the Big Bang then unreverse it and make triple the variants and add the Quantum plus the current Earth which will then combust together to make a combination of just chaos. Then,
💥
Annihilation happens now it’s
Everyone vs Annihilation Then it’s going to add dead and current Villians to the same universe and the same for hero’s and just complete immortal war between the two sides.
But then Galactus who ran off after he ate a time line and a little fight comes back with his type 5 diabetes with a massive asteroid belt of planets around his belly comes and eats those variants
That should take about 10 years to make
NOPE… just… nah 😂😂😂 I’ll keep watching in case there’s a Tom Cruise Ironman shoutout in it 😂
No bro this is Victor not Tony
Your adoption theory makes more sense and is better.
He’s from the same universe as Reed Richards (the smartest man in the world). He would *NOT* turn to Stranger, when Reed is right there.
Waste of time.
Wanda uses Witchcraft, not Sorcery. Lame