I’m 63 and still gig about every weekend, I have many top of the line tube amps, like a Fender 59 Bassman, Marshall JTM, Suhr Bella, 57 Tweed Deluxe, Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, etc…, but my main gigging amp is my Fender Tonemaster Deluxe, I gig with it mainly because of all the reasons you mentioned in your video. Thanks for the comparison.
That's an impressive list of gear. I gigged just about every weekend until COVID hit. Now I'm doing mainly sound gigs. If I were still gigging regular, I likely would have a Tone Master. 63, you're a baby. I'm 72.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer I've seen a few of these demos. I'll point to 2 things. Tube amps are not dead yet! Look at the price point of Tone masters . Roughly two thirds the cost of it's tube brother. One opinion suggests Fender do not want to wipe out the market for their tube amps! That's why it's not selling for $200. Plus they are built and made in the US or Mexico. Aside from the main amp section- but that's like most electronic goods today ..that adds to the cost.
Happy Blonde Tonemaster Deluxe owner here. I did upgrade the speaker to an Eminence GA-SC64 which sweetened the tone, but the biggest tone upgrade was replacing the knobs with cream knobs!
Thank you for your impressions. It's great to hear from someone who's been gigging a Deluxe Reverb for years, so is in a great position to make any kind of comparison.
Thinking of switching from my Roland Blues Cube Artist to one of these. I think the fender just edges it tone wise and looks so much nicer. Thanks for the great video... lovely playing.
Great comparison. Thanks for your video. I have been gigging my 2 x 10" Vibroverb, or my Lo-power 2 x 12" Tweed Twin. Both amps sound fantastic ! Watched a ton of reviews and have ordered a TM Blonde Deluxe. Hope it doesn't disappoint. Looking forward to a 23lb load in and still having great tone. Cheers, Gord
Hey Bob, excellent video. best sounding tone master i've heard. I tried the blackface version and did not like it. it sounded sterile, thin and pretty much like a solid state amp. perhaps i should give the blonde a try after your vid. what do you think of a tweed pro junior iv compared to a blonde tone master deluxe? I'm looking to buy an amp for my travels so it's a toss up between a tone master and a pro junior tweed iv. the tone master amps i am keen on is the blonde deluxe or princeton vs a tweed pro junior iv. what do you think?
The tweed amps are usually a completely different animal. Very little headroom in a tweed, usually. I've never tried the pro junior tweed, though. The deluxe is more of a clean amp, a great pedal platform amp. I do like the blonde tone masters better than the black ones I've tried.
Bob , i have an original 65 deluxe reverb but I’m tired to carry that thing around , i was thinking to get a Princeton tone master but I’m wondering whether it is loud enough without a PA
The TM Princeton is rated at 50w. It should keep up with an actual tube Princeton. No doubt tube amps are louder than solid state. I don't think it will keep up with a tube Deluxe. You might want to try the TM Deluxe. It's rated at 100w and should easily keep up with a tube Deluxe. Check out the new cream ones, they sound great. Those things are way lighter than a tube Deluxe. I guess it depends on how loud your band is. I've done gigs with a tube Princeton clone, but those were small band small club things.
I have a drip edge Vibrolux Reverb. Great sounding amp but heavy. Last time I used it regularly it rode in the truck and roadies did the moving. Once those days ended it was all head/cab for me. Now, I likely would have a cream TM Deluxe.
@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer Thanks! I was about 80% there, but your thoughts totally reinforced my feelings. Obviously I'll play it first, but I can't see me not taking it. :-) Thanks again for your video.
I was going to get a DR Tonemaster but ended up getting a Quilter Cub50 instead which I’m very happy with. It’s all analog and is the best SS amp I’ve ever played. It’s not a distortion monster but has plenty of headroom and takes pedals well, it has a nice tubish tone and feel. It’s a great amp I’m really impressed!
Nice video thanks. I enthusiastically bought the TM Twin Reverb when they came out, as an old TR and DR user for years, but it just didn't have the top end glassiness or transparency of the tube amp, especially noticeable in A/B tests I did with friend's amps. Did a few gigs with the TM but ended up selling it- good amp all the same. I tried the TMDRs and the same thing with the top end compared to tube versions, gigged and sold them too. I feel the TM amps are quite good neutral sounding guitar amps put in a Fender case, but the tube versions are noticeably a little better and more distinct. Love the lightweight of the TMs, but now I'm back to my Vox AC15, and a small hand trolley to lug the heavy little sucker around- it's worth it. Fender may still do more software development on the TMs to make that top end a little more natural? if so I think I could be tempted again.
You are bang on my friend....yes the TM's are crazy light, sound pretty good but they ain't the real thing. If you're super anal about tone, you will want the heavier tube amp.
A great side by side comparison Bob. I’m trying to go one step further and not use an amp at all and just run into the pa with stand alone modelers. There are some mighty good tones coming out of these things and MIDI controllers keep me from trying to step on a pedal all night.
@@justmehere6094 could be. They are both on carpet, the TM is on a piece of carpet, on top of carpet. I like them both, but the TM had to go back to the owner.
Hi! I have the Orange CR60, and I'm thinking the same thing , though I love the tones on my Orange I think it might be a nice upgrade, did you get the TM?
Thanks sooooo much for the excellent demonstration. I hate when people demo amps at only one level, loud as he'll and full distortion. If I can't get a clean sweet tone I don't want it. 👍
Im a working musician every weekend and i use a tonemaster deluxe reverb or flyrig direct, This is the best bang for buck sounding amp ive ever used and light too😁👍😊
The guitarist in the band I work for uses a TM Twin. Now that he is using in-ears, he sets it for 12w. That super helps the out front mix, and it sounds excellent.
I love mine. I own both the TM Twin and TM Deluxe. I mainly use the Twin for straight ahead jazz gigs where I need a lot of clean headroom and use the Deluxe for everything else. I don’t use much overdrive and like that on the edge tone that breaks up only when digging in. The Deluxe kills at that. The cab simulators cover live PA gigs and recording situations. I’ve sold most of my boutique tube amps and the rest just sit in a closet now along with my Kemper. Sound great and weigh next to nothing, they’re worth the money.
I have the black version tm dr for over 4 years now and it still works and sounds great , i did swap the jensen neo speaker for an jupiter 12 LC speaker and have done the firmware upgrade wich made the amp sound better and bigger/fuller . at least to my ears , i have owned many handbuild tube amps but i sold them all and kept the fender tm , it's just such a practical amp for home use ( you can also play silent if you use an behringer P1 with it ) and gigging ( good sounding direct out ) and with my bad back the weightfactor is a big thing .
Absolutely agree!! I own a clean birth year 71 deluxe that I had capped/retubed about 6 years ago. Bought the blackface tone master almost 2 years ago…..did the firmware update and put a celestion in it I had laying around. Did this same test with an A/b box…..was almost uncomfortable with how similar they are. Really really didn’t want it to be this good!! Is it 100% exact…..nope, but the difference is easily offset by the weight difference. I’m getting kinda vintage myself. 😢 It does have a slight cardboardy/sterile immediacy to it, but playing live and loud now when I bring an antique tuber I’m noticing more there are things that I don’t exactly love almost as much…….ie loading it in the SUV at 2:00 in the morning!! Well done review
I tried to get both amps to sound the same. I had to turn up the treble more in the TM to match them. On my DR I usually run treble 6-7ish bass 3-4ish with single coils. I don’t remember the exact settings. Maybe we see on the video.
I tried to get both amps to sound the same. I had to turn up the treble more in the TM to match them. On my DR I usually run treble 6-7ish bass 3-4ish with single coils. I don’t remember the exact settings. Maybe we see on the video.
Great idea. If I still had it here I would try it. I would think it would work great as your wet amp in a stereo pair, and would save a nice chunk of money.
Great video! Unless your Deluxe Reverb has been modified, isn't the bright cap in place? The Tone Master Blonde has it digitally removed. Would make a difference unless both are on 10.
Thank you so much for your review - Fender needs to hire you Hah! In all reality, not only are you a real gigging/studio pro (you can really play), but your review on this deluxe and also another I saw on the tonemaster Twin, also by you are by far the best I’ve encountered on RUclips. You sold me - I’m getting it👍🏻
Thanks much. If I were still gigging every weekend, I'd have either the Deluxe or a Twin. I can't justify the expense at this time. I'm doing mostly sound gigs.
I believe that the Tone Master is perfect for gigging, but I would have a tube amp for home purposes, love to have that perfect sound at home, gigging is different, the Tone Master is great bc of weight and sound, you can't tell the difference on stage with all the other musicians, sounds and guitarist concentrating on keeping it together! Tube at home were sound is what you live for, and great sounding stage solid state, light as possible amps for live work, my humble opinion.
The biggest differences you would be hearing would be because those blonde Tone Masters have a software change. With the original black Tone Master Deluxe, people complained that they wanted the simulated bright cap out of the circuit, and they wanted the reverb more mild. The Blonde TM represents a modified Deluxe. It also has a Celestion speaker instead of the proper Jensen (which is sacrilege to me). I bet if you had an original Black Tone Master to compare with that real one, the result would be much much closer.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayerIt's to listen to people's playing that I watch these videos. If I want to actually review gear I go do it for real, in person, where one can actually experience reality. Keep noodling..
The « real » Deluxe has more compression and sounds better to my ear. And nothing beats a real tube reverb, I love the one that’s on my Princeton 68´ Reissue 👍🏻, so musical ! But the Tonemaster is a good amp 👍🏻!
To really hear the difference, you need to be in the room. They do sound very much the same to me. I've not had a chance to use one on stage, which I think would really be defining. I certainly see the advantages, weight, direct out, and attenuation. I have a Mojotone Princeton clone which I love. It's my bowling alley gig amp.
Gigging wise, as a venue or musician carrying an amp I def. Prefer digital. I love my Boss Fender pedals into peavey or crate. If I had a jazz venue I would go towards Tone Master for the back line nowadays.
So you wouldn't have to listen to my lame doodling. I didn't set up any mics, so it would be just cell phone audio, which is little help. I have another video with actual audio comparisons.
Awesome demo!! Thanks for posting. With all due respect... during the 'hernia test', your body mechanics were hernia-causing no matter what the weight. Beyond the hernia... that is a recipe for disaster with your back-- think herniated or ruptured discs. Not fun. Take from one who is from a family of bad backs... my dad, 4 brothers and me. Lift with your legs, Hercules. Thanks again!! 🎸👍
I like how you put it in perspective of "gigging" . The hernia test made me laugh cause that is one of the reasons I bought a new rig . I have a Fender Hot Rod Deville and I swapped the stock speakers for Vintage 30's . That made the amp even heavier in weight . The handle is made out of hard rubber but over time I know what could happen LOL . There is a difference in tone and the Vintage Deluxe IMO sound better . But the compromises in tone for the weight and durability would make it worth it . Plus vintage Fender amps are going up in price . They are getting harder to find , especially in great shape like yours . Then there's the tube issues . But also , you want to enjoy you vintage amp . You could change it up now and then to lessen the wear & tear on your vintage . Great video , I just subscribed !
Thanks! I gigged with those old BF Fenders for decades. Lately I've been using a Dr. Z Carmen Ghia head/cab, and a 65Amps London Pro head/cab. Having the amp and speaker separate helps with the weight problem. I haven't been doing much gigging recently. mostly sound gigs.
The thing that does it for me is his real deluxe will pretty much last forever maybe with the odd repair. It sounds incredible too! In 5 years try getting parts for the tonemaster. If im going to spend money on something I want it to last. Real amp for me any day! Good vid!
Go with the hand wired if you can afford it. Those ones are easy to repair. It may cost you more in the long run, though. It all depends on how the TM holds up.
What you say is true only so long as tubes continue to be available in reasonable quantities and at prices the average player can afford. The future of tube production is uncertain at best. In the meantime, my Boss Katana 100 Mk 1, purchased in 2016, is still going strong and sounds as good as new. If it should ever become unrepairable, I can easily afford to buy a new one. (That's obviously not the case with Fender's more expensive Tone Masters.) I won't argue that digital solid-state amps sound quite as wonderful as high-quality tube amps, but they hold their own and are a lot more durable than tube aficionados generally give them credit for.
@@gordonlewis7570 Tubes are an expense you don't have with solid state. I am not familiar with the Boss. The TM is the first solid state amp I've tried that feels like a tube amp. One advantage I see with the TM is it should always sound like it has fresh tubes. Again, the big question is how long it will last before breakdown.
With the exce[tion of the DSP that is the 'engine; of the TOnemaster, the parts are all, pretty much off the shelf compnants, very easy to get ASSUMING China isn't boycotting us (which would make parts for the tube fender just as hard to get INCLUDING tubes). Parts wouldn't make the ToneMaster hard to fix, It's potentially how they were, or were not used. Surface mounted andmini componats, usually will make a tech not touch it. I have no idea what Fender has done, haven't seen the guts of one yet. I have digital amps and gear from the 80s, still work and sound like the day bought.
Well, you’ll be paying about 4x more for the real deal…maybe more. Do the math and add in repairs/maintenance and it doesn’t work. Upside is IF (or when) the ToneMaster doesn’t work and you feel like going tube, you can either run the TM as a cabinet or since it’s the same chassis as the tube one, you can have it built into a wired up custom tube amp. 👊😎
Wow. In this video, to me the tone master actually sounds better. Im sure its different in the room but Bluetooth through my phone, tone master sounds better.
I agree. It recorded better. If I had it longer, I would have tried both with the same speaker, etc. This test was just to see if it would be worth further investigation. It certainly is.
Weight shouldnt be a concern unless your old. Also qaulity american tubes have a rated run time of over 100,000 hours, they run forever. THe power scaling..you would be miles ahead with a real attenuator like a power station etc. all of this plus the real one sounds better! It will still be working in 50 years and handed down, the solid state one i highly doubt
I am old. Weight would be an issue for me if I were still carrying. My experience with this amp is mainly from a sound man perspective, and only with one band. The guitar player was using a vintage Deluxe, then got a TM Twin. It sounds just as good out front as his Deluxe. He now leaves his vintage amp at home in his studio and uses this TM on the road instead.
The audio is direct off of my iphone, no processing at all. other than whatever the iphone does with it. I don't think you could make a true judgement unless you were in the room with me.
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I’m 63 and still gig about every weekend, I have many top of the line tube amps, like a Fender 59 Bassman, Marshall JTM, Suhr Bella, 57 Tweed Deluxe, Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, etc…, but my main gigging amp is my Fender Tonemaster Deluxe, I gig with it mainly because of all the reasons you mentioned in your video. Thanks for the comparison.
That's an impressive list of gear. I gigged just about every weekend until COVID hit. Now I'm doing mainly sound gigs. If I were still gigging regular, I likely would have a Tone Master. 63, you're a baby. I'm 72.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer I've seen a few of these demos. I'll point to 2 things. Tube amps are not dead yet! Look at the price point of Tone masters . Roughly two thirds the cost of it's tube brother. One opinion suggests Fender do not want to wipe out the market for their tube amps! That's why it's not selling for $200. Plus they are built and made in the US or Mexico. Aside from the main amp section- but that's like most electronic goods today ..that adds to the cost.
Thank you for that great video. such a pleasure to get a no nonsense and straight to the point comparison.
Thanks! I'm trying.
Happy Blonde Tonemaster Deluxe owner here. I did upgrade the speaker to an Eminence GA-SC64 which sweetened the tone, but the biggest tone upgrade was replacing the knobs with cream knobs!
Ha! I did a similar thing with my old Les Paul. I replaced the black knobs with gold, just because.
thx Sir! finally a REAL sincere comparison, help me a lot.
Glad to hear that! Thanks for watching.
I just bought one. Thanks for the reassurance!
I think you'll like it.
Thank you for your impressions. It's great to hear from someone who's been gigging a Deluxe
Reverb for years, so is in a great position to make any kind of comparison.
Thanks for watching. I've never gigged with a TM, but I certainly think I could. I have a friend using a TM Twin and it sounds excellent on stage.
Also wanted to say that your amp sounds amazing. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching.
Best comparison review yet!
Thanks!
This is the best comparison on RUclips. Thank you.
Thanks much! I'm learning.
Thinking of switching from my Roland Blues Cube Artist to one of these. I think the fender just edges it tone wise and looks so much nicer. Thanks for the great video... lovely playing.
I really like it. I REALLY like the weight. I'm old.
Great comparison. Thanks for your video. I have been gigging my 2 x 10" Vibroverb, or my Lo-power 2 x 12" Tweed Twin. Both amps sound fantastic ! Watched a ton of reviews and have ordered a TM Blonde Deluxe. Hope it doesn't disappoint. Looking forward to a 23lb load in and still having great tone. Cheers, Gord
Sounds like a great collection! I think you will like Tone Master.
Hey Bob, excellent video. best sounding tone master i've heard. I tried the blackface version and did not like it. it sounded sterile, thin and pretty much like a solid state amp. perhaps i should give the blonde a try after your vid. what do you think of a tweed pro junior iv compared to a blonde tone master deluxe? I'm looking to buy an amp for my travels so it's a toss up between a tone master and a pro junior tweed iv. the tone master amps i am keen on is the blonde deluxe or princeton vs a tweed pro junior iv.
what do you think?
The tweed amps are usually a completely different animal. Very little headroom in a tweed, usually. I've never tried the pro junior tweed, though. The deluxe is more of a clean amp, a great pedal platform amp. I do like the blonde tone masters better than the black ones I've tried.
Bob , i have an original 65 deluxe reverb but I’m tired to carry that thing around , i was thinking to get a Princeton tone master but I’m wondering whether it is loud enough without a PA
The TM Princeton is rated at 50w. It should keep up with an actual tube Princeton. No doubt tube amps are louder than solid state. I don't think it will keep up with a tube Deluxe. You might want to try the TM Deluxe. It's rated at 100w and should easily keep up with a tube Deluxe. Check out the new cream ones, they sound great. Those things are way lighter than a tube Deluxe. I guess it depends on how loud your band is. I've done gigs with a tube Princeton clone, but those were small band small club things.
it's close but a wee bit compressed sounding over the real thing. Pretty nice though.
Definitely more compressed than the DR.
Really useful! I have a Vibrolux Reverb, but I'm seriously considering a DR Tonemaster for all the reasons you mentioned at the end.
I have a drip edge Vibrolux Reverb. Great sounding amp but heavy. Last time I used it regularly it rode in the truck and roadies did the moving. Once those days ended it was all head/cab for me. Now, I likely would have a cream TM Deluxe.
@hage713 Well, I just done a deal and am picking one up tomorrow :-) Swapping a P bass, which I never use, for it. Will be gigging it on Saturday. :-)
@@davehughes8212 Cool! Hope you like it.
@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer Thanks! I was about 80% there, but your thoughts totally reinforced my feelings. Obviously I'll play it first, but I can't see me not taking it. :-) Thanks again for your video.
I was going to get a DR Tonemaster but ended up getting a Quilter Cub50 instead which I’m very happy with. It’s all analog and is the best SS amp I’ve ever played. It’s not a distortion monster but has plenty of headroom and takes pedals well, it has a nice tubish tone and feel. It’s a great amp I’m really impressed!
We've got bunches of people using Quilter around here, even pedal steel guys. They sound great. Hope it serves you well.
Great video!
Thanks!
Nice video thanks. I enthusiastically bought the TM Twin Reverb when they came out, as an old TR and DR user for years, but it just didn't have the top end glassiness or transparency of the tube amp, especially noticeable in A/B tests I did with friend's amps. Did a few gigs with the TM but ended up selling it- good amp all the same. I tried the TMDRs and the same thing with the top end compared to tube versions, gigged and sold them too. I feel the TM amps are quite good neutral sounding guitar amps put in a Fender case, but the tube versions are noticeably a little better and more distinct. Love the lightweight of the TMs, but now I'm back to my Vox AC15, and a small hand trolley to lug the heavy little sucker around- it's worth it. Fender may still do more software development on the TMs to make that top end a little more natural? if so I think I could be tempted again.
I've never used one on stage, but as a sound man, I love them.
You are bang on my friend....yes the TM's are crazy light, sound pretty good but they ain't the real thing. If you're super anal about tone, you will want the heavier tube amp.
Bob love the video . 🤟
Thanks Nick! Have fun at Frankie I's.
A great side by side comparison Bob. I’m trying to go one step further and not use an amp at all and just run into the pa with stand alone modelers. There are some mighty good tones coming out of these things and MIDI controllers keep me from trying to step on a pedal all night.
I can do that in the studio, but on stage, I want an amp and a wedge. It's the old dog, new tricks thing.
Nice video. The amp sitting on rug will make a difference too.
Good point. I didn't catch that.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer I think it's why the Tonemaster had more bottom end, a little less top end presence, compaed to the legacy tube amp
@@justmehere6094 could be. They are both on carpet, the TM is on a piece of carpet, on top of carpet. I like them both, but the TM had to go back to the owner.
Switching from my Orange CR120 to the Fender Deluve TM. So excited
Hope you like it, Thanks for watching.
Hi! I have the Orange CR60, and I'm thinking the same thing , though I love the tones on my Orange I think it might be a nice upgrade, did you get the TM?
Thanks sooooo much for the excellent demonstration. I hate when people demo amps at only one level, loud as he'll and full distortion. If I can't get a clean sweet tone I don't want it. 👍
Thanks! I try to cover most of the basics.
Im a working musician every weekend and i use a tonemaster deluxe reverb or flyrig direct,
This is the best bang for buck sounding amp ive ever used and light too😁👍😊
The guitarist in the band I work for uses a TM Twin. Now that he is using in-ears, he sets it for 12w. That super helps the out front mix, and it sounds excellent.
LOL I thought you was actually playing your guitar that fast and then I realized it's in fast motion
Ha! Nobody needs to sit thru my lame noodling.
I love mine. I own both the TM Twin and TM Deluxe. I mainly use the Twin for straight ahead jazz gigs where I need a lot of clean headroom and use the Deluxe for everything else. I don’t use much overdrive and like that on the edge tone that breaks up only when digging in. The Deluxe kills at that. The cab simulators cover live PA gigs and recording situations. I’ve sold most of my boutique tube amps and the rest just sit in a closet now along with my Kemper. Sound great and weigh next to nothing, they’re worth the money.
Sounds like a very nice arrangement!
I have the black version tm dr for over 4 years now and it still works and sounds great , i did swap the jensen neo speaker for an jupiter 12 LC speaker and have done the firmware upgrade wich made the amp sound better and bigger/fuller . at least to my ears , i have owned many handbuild tube amps but i sold them all and kept the fender tm , it's just such a practical amp for home use ( you can also play silent if you use an behringer P1 with it ) and gigging ( good sounding direct out ) and with my bad back the weightfactor is a big thing .
Definitely the best sounding digital amp I've heard. Glad it's working for you.
Works after four years.... I'll try and check back in after 40.
@@williampimblott8373 Ha! Let me know. You'll need one of those ghost contacting people to get in touch with me.
Absolutely agree!! I own a clean birth year 71 deluxe that I had capped/retubed about 6 years ago. Bought the blackface tone master almost 2 years ago…..did the firmware update and put a celestion in it I had laying around. Did this same test with an A/b box…..was almost uncomfortable with how similar they are. Really really didn’t want it to be this good!! Is it 100% exact…..nope, but the difference is easily offset by the weight difference. I’m getting kinda vintage myself. 😢 It does have a slight cardboardy/sterile immediacy to it, but playing live and loud now when I bring an antique tuber I’m noticing more there are things that I don’t exactly love almost as much…….ie loading it in the SUV at 2:00 in the morning!! Well done review
Those vintage BF units do seem to get heavier at 2M. Thanks.
Born in 71 as well.
What did you have the tone knobs set on with the tonemaster
I tried to get both amps to sound the same. I had to turn up the treble more in the TM to match them. On my DR I usually run treble 6-7ish bass 3-4ish with single coils. I don’t remember the exact settings. Maybe we see on the video.
I tried to get both amps to sound the same. I had to turn up the treble more in the TM to match them. On my DR I usually run treble 6-7ish bass 3-4ish with single coils. I don’t remember the exact settings. Maybe we see on the video.
How is the tone master wet dry with a tube amp?
Great idea. If I still had it here I would try it. I would think it would work great as your wet amp in a stereo pair, and would save a nice chunk of money.
Nice Sir😊✌️🎸
Thanks!
One strum, everyone knows the rule. I give this Tone Master a 7.8. Barstool Music, Dave Fortnoy.
I'd go at least an 8, just based on the weight.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer
That’s funny! Well played!
Great video! Unless your Deluxe Reverb has been modified, isn't the bright cap in place? The Tone Master Blonde has it digitally removed. Would make a difference unless both are on 10.
If Fender put a bright cap in it, I would assume it's still there.
Boy, the TM sounded so quiet! That would make a big difference, especially on wedding, corporate and society gigs.
It is quieter than the tube amp, though not significantly.
Thank you so much for your review - Fender needs to hire you Hah! In all reality, not only are you a real gigging/studio pro (you can really play), but your review on this deluxe and also another I saw on the tonemaster Twin, also by you are by far the best I’ve encountered on RUclips. You sold me - I’m getting it👍🏻
Thanks much. If I were still gigging every weekend, I'd have either the Deluxe or a Twin. I can't justify the expense at this time. I'm doing mostly sound gigs.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer I feel ya - I do both gigging on guitar, and doing sound as well. Thank you for responding👍🏻
I believe that the Tone Master is perfect for gigging, but I would have a tube amp for home purposes, love to have that perfect sound at home, gigging is different, the Tone Master is great bc of weight and sound, you can't tell the difference on stage with all the other musicians, sounds and guitarist concentrating on keeping it together! Tube at home were sound is what you live for, and great sounding stage solid state, light as possible amps for live work, my humble opinion.
I totally 100% agree with your statements. You summed up my feelings way better than I did in my own video!
Totally agree!
Nice sound and .... Lol weight is a plus🎶👍
Weight is a big plus. How you doing Greggie?
The biggest differences you would be hearing would be because those blonde Tone Masters have a software change. With the original black Tone Master Deluxe, people complained that they wanted the simulated bright cap out of the circuit, and they wanted the reverb more mild. The Blonde TM represents a modified Deluxe. It also has a Celestion speaker instead of the proper Jensen (which is sacrilege to me). I bet if you had an original Black Tone Master to compare with that real one, the result would be much much closer.
Why is the playing sections on fast forward. I don’t get it?
To cover the lame noodling.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayerIt's to listen to people's playing that I watch these videos. If I want to actually review gear I go do it for real, in person, where one can actually experience reality. Keep noodling..
Seems the tube amp was set way louder
Could be. This was a first look to see if further consideration was deserved. It is.
To my ears, the TM doesn't have near the "presence" of the '66. Great comparison. It convinced me that I'm still better off with my vintage gear.
I'm still using my vintage combos. If I were lugging them around, hmm......
The « real » Deluxe has more compression and sounds better to my ear. And nothing beats a real tube reverb, I love the one that’s on my Princeton 68´ Reissue 👍🏻, so musical !
But the Tonemaster is a good amp 👍🏻!
To really hear the difference, you need to be in the room. They do sound very much the same to me. I've not had a chance to use one on stage, which I think would really be defining. I certainly see the advantages, weight, direct out, and attenuation. I have a Mojotone Princeton clone which I love. It's my bowling alley gig amp.
What’s up with the video/audio out of sync??
So you don't have to listen to as much of my lame noodling.
The Tonemaster Super Reverb is the best amp out of the Tonemaster series.
Could be. I haven't tried one. I like the TM Deluxe and Twin.
Not even close to the tube amp, but it is good enough for me.
A great stage amp. I still prefer my Dr. Z, and 65amps stuff.
subscribed. great vid
Thanks for the sub!
Twin reverb cranked to ten-itus!
Ha! Yep, I had it since those days.
@@TheGiggingGuitarPlayer enjoyed the video. Thanks !
Gigging wise, as a venue or musician carrying an amp I def. Prefer digital. I love my Boss Fender pedals into peavey or crate. If I had a jazz venue I would go towards Tone Master for the back line nowadays.
A Princeton TM would likely be my Bowling Alley gigging amp.
Why did you speed up the playing. Totally alters the sound. Just like if you speed up someone talking. Takes it towards chipmonk pitches
So you wouldn't have to listen to my lame doodling. I didn't set up any mics, so it would be just cell phone audio, which is little help. I have another video with actual audio comparisons.
Vale state is a Marshall
AH! You are correct. I forget the name of the Vox thingy.
Awesome demo!! Thanks for posting. With all due respect... during the 'hernia test', your body mechanics were hernia-causing no matter what the weight. Beyond the hernia... that is a recipe for disaster with your back-- think herniated or ruptured discs. Not fun. Take from one who is from a family of bad backs... my dad, 4 brothers and me. Lift with your legs, Hercules.
Thanks again!! 🎸👍
Ha! Advice taken. Thanks!
I like how you put it in perspective of "gigging" . The hernia test made me laugh cause that is one of the reasons I bought a new rig . I have a Fender Hot Rod Deville and I swapped the stock speakers for Vintage 30's . That made the amp even heavier in weight . The handle is made out of hard rubber but over time I know what could happen LOL . There is a difference in tone and the Vintage Deluxe IMO sound better . But the compromises in tone for the weight and durability would make it worth it . Plus vintage Fender amps are going up in price . They are getting harder to find , especially in great shape like yours . Then there's the tube issues . But also , you want to enjoy you vintage amp . You could change it up now and then to lessen the wear & tear on your vintage . Great video , I just subscribed !
Thanks! I gigged with those old BF Fenders for decades. Lately I've been using a Dr. Z Carmen Ghia head/cab, and a 65Amps London Pro head/cab. Having the amp and speaker separate helps with the weight problem. I haven't been doing much gigging recently. mostly sound gigs.
The thing that does it for me is his real deluxe will pretty much last forever maybe with the odd repair. It sounds incredible too! In 5 years try getting parts for the tonemaster. If im going to spend money on something I want it to last. Real amp for me any day! Good vid!
Go with the hand wired if you can afford it. Those ones are easy to repair. It may cost you more in the long run, though. It all depends on how the TM holds up.
What you say is true only so long as tubes continue to be available in reasonable quantities and at prices the average player can afford. The future of tube production is uncertain at best. In the meantime, my Boss Katana 100 Mk 1, purchased in 2016, is still going strong and sounds as good as new. If it should ever become unrepairable, I can easily afford to buy a new one. (That's obviously not the case with Fender's more expensive Tone Masters.) I won't argue that digital solid-state amps sound quite as wonderful as high-quality tube amps, but they hold their own and are a lot more durable than tube aficionados generally give them credit for.
@@gordonlewis7570 Tubes are an expense you don't have with solid state. I am not familiar with the Boss. The TM is the first solid state amp I've tried that feels like a tube amp. One advantage I see with the TM is it should always sound like it has fresh tubes. Again, the big question is how long it will last before breakdown.
With the exce[tion of the DSP that is the 'engine; of the TOnemaster, the parts are all, pretty much off the shelf compnants, very easy to get ASSUMING China isn't boycotting us (which would make parts for the tube fender just as hard to get INCLUDING tubes). Parts wouldn't make the ToneMaster hard to fix, It's potentially how they were, or were not used. Surface mounted andmini componats, usually will make a tech not touch it. I have no idea what Fender has done, haven't seen the guts of one yet. I have digital amps and gear from the 80s, still work and sound like the day bought.
Well, you’ll be paying about 4x more for the real deal…maybe more. Do the math and add in repairs/maintenance and it doesn’t work.
Upside is IF (or when) the ToneMaster doesn’t work and you feel like going tube, you can either run the TM as a cabinet or since it’s the same chassis as the tube one, you can have it built into a wired up custom tube amp. 👊😎
Tone and hernia are insuperable in mho. But the Tone Master sounds good.
Good tone is heavy and hard to carry, according to Uncle Larry. He's the master.
Wow. In this video, to me the tone master actually sounds better. Im sure its different in the room but Bluetooth through my phone, tone master sounds better.
I agree. It recorded better. If I had it longer, I would have tried both with the same speaker, etc. This test was just to see if it would be worth further investigation. It certainly is.
@@hage713 awesome. I think you've convinced me to take a hard look at a tone master deluxe or possibly a twin. Thanks for your videos.
"Just as good as a xerox"
Weight shouldnt be a concern unless your old. Also qaulity american tubes have a rated run time of over 100,000 hours, they run forever. THe power scaling..you would be miles ahead with a real attenuator like a power station etc. all of this plus the real one sounds better! It will still be working in 50 years and handed down, the solid state one i highly doubt
I am old. Weight would be an issue for me if I were still carrying. My experience with this amp is mainly from a sound man perspective, and only with one band. The guitar player was using a vintage Deluxe, then got a TM Twin. It sounds just as good out front as his Deluxe. He now leaves his vintage amp at home in his studio and uses this TM on the road instead.
Not true
Give me tubes....or not at all.
Understandable. I like the TM, but I am still using my tube amps. If I had to carry them around, though, I might reconsider. But, I'm old.
If tone master deluxe and blonde are good enough for Mike McCready, its good enough for anyone!
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Tube amp sounds way better. my Kemper sounds better than the tome master. Sorry you can't replace tubes with solid state.
Well to each his own. One of the beauties of music is its subjective nature.
Soooo much audio compression in this video skews what we are hearing.
The audio is direct off of my iphone, no processing at all. other than whatever the iphone does with it. I don't think you could make a true judgement unless you were in the room with me.
???????? What??????
SLOW DOWN- YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SHOWING OFF THE TONE OF THE AMP NOT YOUR CHOPS.
Why is he sped up???