Overview of Choking Canopy Anchors. SRT Anchors that I like for Spar work
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I like to use an ISC Wizard with a rated gate, specifically to mitigate the concerns that you’ve highlighted here. The shape makes it very difficult to use incorrectly, and it’s a nice fat chunk of steel for whipping around
Great idea!!
That’s a great suggestion that I wish I would have covered in this clip :)
@@Stridertrees I’m honored. I’m also deeply grateful for all your videos. They’re some of the best on the subject and have been supremely helpful. I recently became a foreman for a company in Chico, and your words and visuals were a factor in my getting where I am as quickly as I have. Hope to see you around the block some time.
My favorite two are a Kong twisted steel carabiner with a rated gate or the quickie. However I use the quickie with the bow through the splice and the pin behind the working end of the rope. It’s much easier to make sure the pin is all the way seated and both spring pawls are fully engaged. I have had the pawls stick closed in heavy sap situations but a carabiner would struggle in that much sap as well.
How is this not a 250K+ subbed account, your videos are superb. You're a master at explaining and conveying information, thanks.
Love the time you devote to helping others with your craft. I’m a newbie tree climber who has learned a lot from yourself, August H and Buckin. Appreciate you Strider!!!
I have to admit hearing such an esteemed professional as yourself say "i'm scared of heights" was refreshing.
I'm super comfortable at 60ft in big decurrent trees. I'm at home there. Love swinging around like tarzan.
But get me the same 60ft up on a tulip poplar or other skinny spar and it's instant butterflies 😂
Always nice to feel a little validated. Thank you.
Other reasons to not like the quickie:
1. Notch released an instruction manual just now, after having the quickie in production for several years.
2. The quickie doesn’t have any form of serial number, meaning if there’s a production fault, there is no way to track what units are affected or how to fix the issue.
3. The company that makes the slic pins state that they are not to be used as PPE.
I love the lighting and the filming stability. Bowline gang!
I always use a steel carabiner for this application. Preferably the Petzl Oxan triple lock beacuase it's relatively compact and has a shorter spine than most of the other steel biners.
Love it! that Carabiner even comes with an ANSI Gate too.
I agree with you but i think instead of sliding your eye through the pin, if you tie something like an alpine it is much easier to see and hear the quickie close.
I appreciate not just this video but your content in general. I've a mountain climbing background and have applied those techniques to saddle hunting. It's helpful to see things through the arborist lens and you do a great job at teaching.
You are a great teacher and make various options easy to understand. Blessing to you.
I like putting a ring on the rope, pass the rope around the tree and then tie a bowline with Yosemite finish on that ring. Functions exactly like a running bowline but makes the retrieval a bit easier because there is no rope on rope friction at the cinching point.
As always very informative and well explained video , I always learn so much from your Tutorium. Thanks again for all your help.
I liked the demonstrations & it was easy to see the different configurations. With my linesmans attached around the trunk of a 🌳 & my climbing system attached with another lifeline hooked up to my 2nd redundant bridge I feel comfortable cutting @ any height. But I also do one more thing. I have a floater on my linesman. I've always called it a choker. With a prusik on one side & a self-locking carabiner on the other side of the 🌳 I can get my body into a perfect position. By just moving the prusik to the other side & doing the same with a carabiner i now can do the same to the opposite side. It has really helped me get a perfect hinge on a difficult cut.
One thing I do with a Pinto pulley is put the 2 eyes on like a 28" hitchcord inside the beckett of the Pinto & I lengthen my bridge so I can get a really smooth pull on a secondary rope with self tending. I truly dislike tending slack. Every thing I do with an open climbed system is done with a self tending design. Its my way of using the Pinto for some things since I'm usually using a split-tail or a Hitchclimber Eccentric. I'm going to try using that Pinto on a canopy anchor with a zipline for rigging numerous smaller branches to eventually remove the co-dominant side of an Ash. Take care Strider.
As with the Quickie or any other anchors.. everything should be done deliberately.. always look and always verify connections.
HUGELY helpful video dude. I’ve literally been thinking on some of these configurations recently and pros cons. I have started using the megawatt on your recommendation so this is all very relevant as I want the best cinching spar anchor for me. Many thanks.
I have been using the timber hitch for 15 years and would never change. It's simplicity is perfection.
I see what you mean about it,but I wouldn’t dislike it because it required an extra level of attention to use. Knots I would place in an even more specific attention requiring category, we have to remember to tie a knot, tie it correctly, tie it for the right application etc.
for example, if a running bowline and a half hitch were in order for a certain application in rigging and I forgot to put the half hitch on and the running knot didn’t cinch and slipped off, that would have required my attentiveness and experience/training for the application it was being used for, and that error still could have killed someone or put a hole in a roof. It’s a attention demanding job and I don’t think it’s a bad idea to automate some things like that, but at the same time, for the value the quickie adds to the flexibility and security of my tie in points, I think it’s worth the extra attention to make sure it’s done safely for me. I also know that the quickie probably wasn’t the entire purpose of the video, as you also show other methods too to keep that information going for us 😃
My biggest issue with using the Quickie in that configuration is the difficulty of opening. When the slic pin mechanism is concealed in the eye, it is difficult to release the pin and slide it out. If you must use a Quickie in this way, I recommend pushing the shackle through the eye and the running end captured by the pin. This will be more gentle on your rope, especially with the higher quality milled Quickie.
A carabiner is still better suited for this purpose, as you demonstrated. Just remember to use an ANSI rated carabiner loaded on the spine.
The Quickie is a great tool when used correctly, but isn't beginner friendly for the reasons you mentioned.
Yo Strider. Nevermind the detractors. Your efforts are always useful.
Your content is so ace! Keep it to buddy!
thank you for this safety informations
Very informative and helpful , Thanks !
I like it. Lol
Your not scared of heights. You're afraid of that sudden stop at the bottom.
When I first started out I used the quickie, I never had it come out like other people have, I always tied a alpine when I used the quickie. Sorry but you made me chuckle when you mentioned you are afraid of heights. Thanks for your vidjas and stay safe🌲🐀
Great video as usual.... I always use a steel carabineer. I presume it's much better on cross loading and it's a great weight for throwing to the next branch....
Thank you for the wonderful content as always, this is so informative, I was thinking of buying a quickie, now I am hesitant, thank you.
Buy one anyway, they’re badass..you just have to make sure it’s locked, like you already do with every other piece of equipment out there..there’s no excuse for him climbing with a half open notch, it’s super simple and intuitive and I’ve never had an issue with mine, I’d hang a dump truck from it..
Ya. His issue was with him not locking it properly as he said. It's bomber and easy.
Ooo the Bingham Boys will be after you! 😂 Nice vid with some worthwhile takes 👍
I know right! 'The notch quickie' ouch
Long live SINGING TREE
Solid thoughts dude. I’ve felt similarly, or quite as articulately though. 👌🏽👌🏽
Awesome video, even better instruction and explanation. Here I was thinking I was the only climber who is afraid of heights! I am also a certified MEWP instructor who trembles every time I am above 40-50’ on a 100’ type 3B MEWP.
A little bit of fear will keep us alive !
Ejoyed the video. I use a quick link most of the time. The rest of the time I use a Petzl Oxan steel carabiner.
Just watched your rope wrench video, try out the isc squirrel tether, ive had great success with it and it is my favorite rope tether in the market.
I have been using the quickie for several years, since I learned about cross loading caribeaners which I was using previously. However, I have never tried to push the pin through the eye of the rope, installing it wouldn't be so hard but getting those pins back through the eye to get it back apart, I just figured the pins would be hanging up on the fibers. I have always used a barrel knot tied into the curve and run my working end by the pin. Both sides are equally torqued in use either way and the pin rolls when retrieving the line reducing friction ever so slightly, and most importantly it is always captured and not going to fall off or get dropped. I use a small prussic loop beside my knot and run a separate retrieval line in it with a caribeaner so as to not confuse the working line.
I would also recommend using steel carabiner with a 35kn for your anchor. Just a thought
Really great video. I'm just getting into tree work in the UK from an IRATA background so it's great to pick up these industry specific tips. The use of a pinto like that is genius and I TOTALLY agree that any device, even if it's strong and designed for purpose, that isn't self-locking or at least self-closing is a bad idea. Do you ever use a karabiner and alpine butterfly configuration mid-kine so you can retrieve it from the ground?
Using a mix of texas tug, steel carabiner, and fimblclimb for removals... the quickie looks nice in theory, but seems to be hard to set up high in the canopy. Also not 100% comfortable with heights over 25 meters, but getting there. Once i sorted my workflow it just goes smooth :)
I also hate the quickie because it rotated in the butterfly on a base tie when I climbed above my tip and there was slack in the system. This put the pin against the trunk. Which I noticed after coming down from an 80 ft Pondo..
I keep wanting to use less knots & more manufactured devices, ( probably because they seem so popular & there must be something to them) but every time I watch a video about it, or talk with another climber about it, the trade offs are at least the same or worse than just using knots, which seem to have the only drawback of having to learn to tie & tend while working, and the % of strength lost because of the knot, which is usually insignificant for the work it is being used for & a strong understanding of this is at least the same as using a metal device.
Those devices do look shiny and cool though lol ! 😂
the idea of having the quickie as an anchor kinda seems a bit worrying to me as it also doesnt have the most rounded/smooth edge thats applying force on your rope.
I use the quickie but i pass the shackle thru the eye of my rope not the slic pin. Pretty much idiot proof at that point exactly what i need😅
I love the quickie! I use two for climbing and one dedicated for rigging. No, I think I'm going to be switching to the Siberian Hitch or I think it's called a a daisy chain as well much easier to undo than loaded up Alpine butterfly with quickie
I use the quickie as a retrivable canopy anchor, so with the tail to the ground. But. Getting it out isn't great. Could be the species of tree and the bark it has, could be the type of climbingline (in my case same as yours the woodpecker), could be the quickie which has a bit of an edge that prohibites the line to run smooth. So I only use the quickie as an anchor on spar work when I'm also chunking it down for firewood. So next I'll try the ring and blocking carabiner.
We could say that the Notch Quickie is for expert use only.
I use a butterfly knot with two carabiner thats never braking on me.
Teasing us with the Megawatt on your system, when are doing a full review of it ?
Love the content! Have you tried using a running butterfly knot with a Quickie?
It keeps the Quickie away from the trunk a little bit better
I like the idea, but I'll just use a bowline with a backup if I need to tie a knot. Its super quick.
2 x alpine butterfly’s next to each other with quickie up top and Texas tug below. Bombproof way to set a top tie
Better off with a pinto chinch than all that extra slop In your system.
What is the green and black rope "decender" your using on your rope
At 7:40 you are stating it is a routine way to use a ring in the mountain climing industry. I can't say I've ever heard or seen a ring used with a carabiner like this. In what situation would you use this in mountain climbing? Rings in general are not very common in mountain climbing either.
How about choking a sling on a smaller spar/limb?
great video... you've become a solid instructor.... I have never used one, but those problems are blatant... why would you ever use it?
With the ring put the life line through the snap just some extra redundancy
i like to stick with the adjustable friction savers
What, no duct tape??? Great video man
Have you tried the ISC Ultralink? Similar to quickie, but different locking mechanism.
No I haven't, but I like the concept! I think its a big improvement and would be much less annoying to use
The ultralink has only one locking mechanism that if it fails the entire shackle opens. It also has to be closed manually and is not spring locked. The quickie is one motion to lock, and four to open.. The ultra link is two motions to lock and 1.5 to open
Saya belum mengerti cara memasang tali pengaman nya,
Jadi agak takut kalo naik pohon menggunakan tali, takut lepas
How do u like the woodpecker rope..? What rope would u buy for mrs and srs with rope runner pro..
I really like the woodpecker, it's supple sliceable and holds round shape well, and the orange is good and visible in the trees. Its also super static so its efficient in SRT
I've always used a bowline with Yosemity. Would a timber hitch work? Thinking as a base tie in, I know it uses a lot of line and slower, but would it be safe?
no a timber hitch is not a knot
@christiancerri5410 why is it ok to rig with a timber hitch, not arguing, just curious.
those are my reasons at least. your bowline with a yosemite is great
Hang on…. How are you descending on the megawatt without working the handle?
So in my head the ring would work to choke drt right?
No, the moment you would descend, the ring would come away from the tree.
When you use the Quickie why not put the eye of your rope over the frame of the Quickie, not the pin. Let the working end of the rope ride against the pin as it can spin anyway.
not many anchors on here that are to manufacturers spec/a lot of side-loading. I don't expect every climber to abide by those specs but with your platform of 29k climbers, or interested climbers, i wouldn't cover what is not recommended just because its quick and will technically hold a climber. Know the influence you have by producing these youtube videos; it's already an industry that lacks safety and climbing standards.
I also don't like how sharp the catches are. They picked fibres out of my eye splice all to easily.
I think when he says “belay” he means “rappel”.
alpine butterfly pinto is the best
So you did something wrong but the gear is at fault? You keep saying how usages are 'manufacturer recommended'...well don't you think notch recommend you engage both pins!?! I mean how hard is it to engage both pins.....you wouldn't just be trying to get views with this title/video my man?? :)
You seemed to have missed the point. I’d prefer to have a system that is EASY to use in a safe way than one i have to pay more attention to. There are enough hazards to be aware of when climbing that I want to simplify anywhere possible. Obviously any equipment can be dangerously misused and my experience with the Quicky is that even when I was trying to install it correctly I still messed up accidentally on a couple occasions. That hasn’t happened with the other methods so I stopped using it for that purpose
Yup - I always feel uncomfortable about the idea of those little pins and all the things in the trees that could get stuck in 'em and stop them fitting into place completely...
Whaaatt?? Lol the reasons for not using a carabiner or running bowling are insane lol
I am suprised to see you advocate for violating the manufacturers' recommended use for so much gear. It also might be worth considering that a knot isnt self closing or autolocking, so if the quickie isn't for you, knots might not be either.
Its a complicated topic. The risks associated with a slightly misused piece of gear may be offset by the reduced risk associate with repeatedly tying a knot. The potential for human error is always present, so I prefer simple and good enough to some manufactures ideal. The little things we do over and over again in the tree become second nature but it only takes one slight error one time to be fatal. I try to pick methods that expose me the least to human error, which is why I tend to avoid gear that is easily misconfigured, or climbing on systems which require frequent knot tying and I am OK with using a carabiner in a manner which may reduce is overall strength by a small fraction so long as it is still PLENTY strong to catch me in any conceivable falling scenario. For someone else it may be worth the extra time setting up something else that makes them feel more comfortable.
@Stridertrees There is some fair logic in there. I think it's important to recognize that following manufacturers' instructions is also about leaving your loved ones with something in the event an injury or death occurs. If you misused it and it failed, they're on their own. If it failed under recommended use, they'll atleast have some compensation to live on while figuring things out.
@@zaccheus that is another consideration ! I tend to not consider mechanical failure under correct use as a possibility because my fear of heights demands I trust gear completely or it opens another can of worms for me to think about. At the same time I also wouldn’t intentionally “misuse” a piece of gear in any circumstance where I expect the gear to be the weakest link in the system, so I can still trust the gear. If that makes sense.
@Stridertrees Do you think your expectations for hardware performance outside of manufacturer recommended use exceeds the determinations of engineers, testing, and research budget, assigned to determining recommended use by a multi-million dollar gear manufacturer?
@@zaccheus So I worked for a German safety equipment manufacturer for a while and got the inside look at much of what goes into the equipment and design process and even how many of the employees themselves use the gear. What I am suggesting in this video would not cause any concern to them, and they are an extremely conservative bunch 😅
why not climb on a bowline?! I don't get the fear of bowline. so easy to tie and be super safe
I will occasionally use a bowline if I am only anchoring for a moment and not planning to traverse away from the anchor. Or I will back it up for a more secure attachment. I can tie a bowline faster than I can set up a quickie so I would be more inclined to do that unless i need a tricky retrieval. (where the friction would be too much) The danger of depending on a bowline for a personal anchor is that it can work itself loose easily enough with repeated cycles of loading/unloading.
This is the perfect example of why learning to tree..... or rock..... climbing just by watching RUclips. Without watching a video like this, an inexperienced climber doesn't realise that climbing anchors are not "one size fits all." This means that they could be using an anchor in totally the wrong way in totally the wrong tree. Please get some proper training BEFORE climbing a tree by yourself as mistakes in this business can cost lives. 👍👍👍👍👍
Really confusing and super frustrating!!! This same guy in his Strider Tree “3 Best Canopy Anchors” 2:54 into the video he says “my most preferred way to do it”, when demonstrating the use of a Notch Quickie for SRT.
After watching his earlier video praising the Quickie, I purchased four of them, and have been using them for well over a year. Now he hates them!!?? Sounds like Notch cutoff his compensation.
seriously, what's with the shenanigans, lol.
Here me out… alot can change/happen in 3 years of tree climbing. Just think about it. Smh at u🤦🏼♂️
I still prefer to use the quickie but some people and whole tree companies can be weird about them. I've seen carabiners open but never a quickie though. He didn't say it failed on him, which is most peoples fear with the pin part, he said he failed to use it properly twice so doesn't like it because of those bad experiences.
Just climb safe and use whatever you're comfortable with but don't get complacent.
@@SomeWhereIWander , thanks, well said!!!
It's unreasonable to expect people to never change their mind. It's sometimes the right thing to do as one learns new information and gains further experience.
So you just go around cross loading biners instead 😑
So you improperly used a piece of gear and therefore don’t like it because of that?
Fr quickie is a life safer on any spar or any canopy anchor
The reason he disliked it is because it’s not self locking and therefore you could POSSIBLY overlook properly closing it all the way. Stay safe
Lazy climbers and their spliced eyes tie an AB with a retrieval tail and move on. Sounds like a person problem not being able to get it in the hole.
🤣 💯💯💯
Lazy climbers and their spliced eyes 😂