I had this amazing teacher who pretty much when he said the guitar being a tempered instrument (which it is lol) when I was tuning up once said to me "you're trying to be too" exact haha
Tim I’m so glad that you use the word “sweet”” in describing guitar strings being in tune. For some reason I think it’s a great discipline to think about where the sweet note is in any song being composed. It’s great to find out that I’m not alone and crazy.
My Les Paul tormented my OCD so badly, always (seeming) out of tune. Intonation after intonation. It has been shelved from my rig for years. Tim's description of tuning compromises has totally changed my approach and thought process. So glad I found his videos. Hello from another Albuquerque guitar slinger...I remember seeing you at Ned's on the Rio Grande with Peter Parnegg about 20 years ago. A 'stage' I played on for many years after you (and pretended to be THE Tim Pierce). You certainly inspired my brother as an Albuquerque native that took a leap and made it, as he is now a successful bass player in Nashville. Of course, the Tim Pierce signature OD is my go-to, which I still use at the local ABQ bar gigs (pre-COVID) in your honor. :-D Thanks for the inspiration and insight!
Thank you for mentioning temperament and the tuning of 3rds on guitar - it's not often talked about how people go about making them work on guitar. I'd love to see you discuss this further (different inversions/amounts of gain/chord progressions with various shapes that are difficult to tune).
It is bullshit to do so on a guitar that is both in tune and properly intonation. Trying to extremely gently bend a string to go from well-tempered tuning to some true temperament tuning is absolute nonsense.
@@Prometheus4096: I believe he is referring to the very subtle tuning issues of guitars with certain scale lengths--such as Gibsons. Rick Beato did a video about Gibsons recently and they touched on this very subject: ruclips.net/video/9_Xi9GQ48iY/видео.html Starting around 31:00. It has to do with the intervals between notes and the length of the fret board (scale length)--it all comes down to mathematics.
Definitely F#-7/E9sus4 on the 2nd chord. The Motley riff is definitely not pushed.... very much on the beat. Easy to forget when explaining it 25 years later....lol. Love the lessons Tim!
Awesome lesson and history behind this Tim!......I'm still amazed after watching all your videos at how much equipment you neatly tuck away in that room..... :)
Tim you were the most important teacher who pushed me to "jump over" that stair which blocks guitar playing progress and you are still great inspiration. Thank you! PS. Sorry for my "English". :)
dude your home studio is so perfect as a video recording spot, AND IM SURE AUDIO IS A NO BRAINER... Every time i watch your videos your equiptment slowly changes/moves around, again slowley in to they;re perfect spots. Killin it.
What a great story to share, Tim, many thanks. I've said it before and will say it again, there are many great guitar teachers on RUclips, but you're the most thorough and patient when it comes to getting the music across. Cheers to 2017!
It is a play on the Dr Feelgood riff. Crue tuned to D, the order of the chords are flipped, similar shuffle feel... hit me today in the car that's the riff he was inspired by!
@@kyussvegas 3 years late but he said in another video Michael wanted it to feel like Dr. Feelgood. Heavily paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact story but I remember something about him liking the song and wanting that feel
Fascinating story Tim, thanks for sharing. It shows that playing simple rhythm WELL is not easy! Shame that fast lead break is almost buried in the mix. Still I guess you're glad it was included, and you were credited. Thanks again Tim
Isn't it interesting how a real pro who is seriously good is so much more down to earth, understanding, and accommodating than some of the jerks on RUclips who act like they're somebody?
YOU worked on the Toy Matinee LP??? WHOA...that is one of the greatest produced records of ALL time! folks...this is what a PRO looks like! I thought the Bill part was Lukather...being a pro studio cat is like a MLB relief pitcher...you must be consistent whether you are "feelin" it or not...there are a lot of guys that can throw a 97mph fastball, but consistent location under pressure is a whole other matter.
Oh man, can you please do a Toy Matinee episode? I would love to know what parts you did on some of that album, especially how to get tones and play some of the parts from "Last Plane Out"
Happy New Year Tim!! Thanks for embarking on this RUclips venture. Perhaps it's time for a RUclips or MasterClass contest in which the prize is a Skype lesson with the master himself?
Great bunch of videos Tim. Long way from Mrs Pacheco"s chorus class at Wilson Middle School! If you get a chance it would be cool if you could do some Hughie Thomasson style lesson. Congrats on the RUclips Channel. You're killin' it as always.
I know it would be a hell of a long list, Tim, but is there somewhere we can see a list of all your parts/songs? I can only imagine how many parts you’ve laid down that I’ve loved over the years...
1:35 Eddie Van Halen did that a lot, especially in songs like Unchained, in order to get the chords to sound "in tune" while being slightly out of tune!
You are a really good guy. Too bad I didn't know you and your theory of The Well Tempered Guitar when I decided to play a 12 string D-28 in 1969. Kottke ruined my life. All the best.
Hey Tim Pierce can you do a favourite/basic chord lesson? I feel like I'm getting really comfortable with the fretboard with basic major-minor stuff but I'm still a bit anxious about notation and basic chords and I would Love to hear what you have to say about this, I could just google top 20 chords or something but I thought I might ask as well because you're amazing and I love you're lessons and value you're insight :)
Sometimes, if I hit a string pretty strong enough, the notes sharpens also a bit, therefore that Eadd9 can be somewhat a little more in tune than it usually should.
I love Tim, fantastic teacher and excellent deliver, but to check out two other legendary session players, Tommy Todesco "the father of session players" watch the movie the Wrecking Crew, then he passed the torch to Steve Lukather.
i was never much of a Crue fan never got their massive popularity, though dont get me wrong they had a handful of pretty badass songs mostly earlier on. now if you had said Michael was in love with RATT at that time i would get it. just my personal opinion.
Jan Tscherry I heard him say something about how he didn't play the riff that most people think about. No idea where to find that interview but I do remember he said that... So then... what did he play???
You, sir, demonstrate *basics* that most guitar players have never even _thought_ about. Kudos!
I had this amazing teacher who pretty much when he said the guitar being a tempered instrument (which it is lol) when I was tuning up once said to me "you're trying to be too" exact haha
"Michael was in love with Mötley Crüe at that time..." you just made my day!
Toy Matinee is one of my favorite albums of all time... big Kevin Gilbert fan too
Tim I’m so glad that you use the word “sweet”” in describing guitar strings being in tune.
For some reason I think it’s a great discipline to think about where the sweet note is in any song being composed.
It’s great to find out that I’m not alone and crazy.
Apologies for stating the obvious but this guy is a SERIOUSLY good guitarist.
Chris James well yeah, he's Tim Pierce!
Ed Berger that’s blasphemy lol
@Ed Berger derp. The guy in the clip and whose name is the channel name.
@Ed Berger Look up Dunning Kruger Effect and read it to a mirror for 10 minutes, mouth breather.
@Ed Berger You didn't look it up, did you? Not surprised. Ignorant and lazy tends to keep fools like y'all EXACTLY that. Y'all can FO now, tool.
Tim shredding the F**k out of this song !!!!! That was awsome !!!!
Really good to see a genuine guitar man being entrepreneurial and independent, an example to us all!
My Les Paul tormented my OCD so badly, always (seeming) out of tune. Intonation after intonation. It has been shelved from my rig for years. Tim's description of tuning compromises has totally changed my approach and thought process. So glad I found his videos. Hello from another Albuquerque guitar slinger...I remember seeing you at Ned's on the Rio Grande with Peter Parnegg about 20 years ago. A 'stage' I played on for many years after you (and pretended to be THE Tim Pierce). You certainly inspired my brother as an Albuquerque native that took a leap and made it, as he is now a successful bass player in Nashville. Of course, the Tim Pierce signature OD is my go-to, which I still use at the local ABQ bar gigs (pre-COVID) in your honor. :-D Thanks for the inspiration and insight!
Ahh, Toy Matinee! R.i.p Kevin Gilbert, such a genius.
Tim Pierce, certified guitar player. ;)
Thank you for mentioning temperament and the tuning of 3rds on guitar - it's not often talked about how people go about making them work on guitar. I'd love to see you discuss this further (different inversions/amounts of gain/chord progressions with various shapes that are difficult to tune).
I agree, tuning issues are my biggest frustration in recording guitar and I often find myself re-tuning for every different position on the neck.
It is bullshit to do so on a guitar that is both in tune and properly intonation. Trying to extremely gently bend a string to go from well-tempered tuning to some true temperament tuning is absolute nonsense.
@@Prometheus4096: I believe he is referring to the very subtle tuning issues of guitars with certain scale lengths--such as Gibsons. Rick Beato did a video about Gibsons recently and they touched on this very subject: ruclips.net/video/9_Xi9GQ48iY/видео.html Starting around 31:00. It has to do with the intervals between notes and the length of the fret board (scale length)--it all comes down to mathematics.
I love the stories behind the songs. Great video
Sweet! Thanks for this, Tim - what a piece of musical history!
Definitely F#-7/E9sus4 on the 2nd chord. The Motley riff is definitely not pushed.... very much on the beat. Easy to forget when explaining it 25 years later....lol. Love the lessons Tim!
Awesome lesson and history behind this Tim!......I'm still amazed after watching all your videos at how much equipment you neatly tuck away in that room..... :)
Tim you were the most important teacher who pushed me to "jump over" that stair which blocks guitar playing progress and you are still great inspiration. Thank you! PS. Sorry for my "English". :)
dude your home studio is so perfect as a video recording spot, AND IM SURE AUDIO IS A NO BRAINER... Every time i watch your videos your equiptment slowly changes/moves around, again slowley in to they;re perfect spots. Killin it.
Loved the Toy Matinee album!!!!!!! Stellar playing!!!!!!!
What a great story to share, Tim, many thanks. I've said it before and will say it again, there are many great guitar teachers on RUclips, but you're the most thorough and patient when it comes to getting the music across. Cheers to 2017!
Wow ... tempering... what a great term, and overlooked on guitar.
you're a legend Tim
whew! right out the gate! 👊🤘🤘🤘
Thanks Tim for de-cloaking another rock classic with your trade secrets shared freely!
WHAAAAAAAT!!! The most amazingly versatile player...:)
Holy s**t! BLAZING licks from Mr. Pierce!! Awesome :)
Tim! Tim! I love the facial expressions! Great feel and tone!!!
Tony Fuentes If you want facial expressions?...see Mark Day guitar ! I
Best clean tone ever
Love your style Tim. I can see why you have done such great things as a guitarist. Keep well sir!
Great video and a cool insight in to the world of studio work with the heavyweights. More of the same please Tim.
Ha ha, great stuff. Tim should do more lessons from his innumerable session appearances on famous tracks, he's a walking anthology of guitar history.
Sounds like the Dr. Feelgood main riff, so maybe that's what you thought about when referencing Motley Crüe!
It is a play on the Dr Feelgood riff. Crue tuned to D, the order of the chords are flipped, similar shuffle feel... hit me today in the car that's the riff he was inspired by!
listen to 'night of the long knives' by ac/dc
I forgot about this song! Definitely a similar shuffle, and nearly a decade before Dr. Feelgood.
@@kyussvegas 3 years late but he said in another video Michael wanted it to feel like Dr. Feelgood. Heavily paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact story but I remember something about him liking the song and wanting that feel
i am NO Crue expert but i was thinking of kickstart my heart. at least on those opening hammer pulls.
wow amazing lesson , very accurate riff ...thks and inspirated me a lot ...
Awesome story with riff lesson
great lesson Tim and love the tip about making one string slightly flat so the triad rings sweeter
Listen to this man on tuning.
Hey Tim! Could you talk about Kevin Gilbert at some point? I would really love that!
Tim, you're SHRRRRRRRREDDING!!!!!
Truly great guitar lesson
Tim ripping it up love the Anderson axe and he is a great dude by the way amp sounds so good
Wow, man that Intro Music is awesome. Wonderful agressive Rock-Tone!
Incredible
Great licks....and what a fabulous story. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
Legend Tim
love that opening solo part on the vid 🖒
Awesomeness
Fascinating story Tim, thanks for sharing.
It shows that playing simple rhythm WELL is not easy!
Shame that fast lead break is almost buried in the mix. Still I guess you're glad it was included, and you were credited.
Thanks again Tim
Isn't it interesting how a real pro who is seriously good is so much more down to earth, understanding, and accommodating than some of the jerks on RUclips who act like they're somebody?
Awesome lesson! Thank you!
Motley crews doctor feel good that’s where you got that riff. 😆
YOU worked on the Toy Matinee LP??? WHOA...that is one of the greatest produced records of ALL time! folks...this is what a PRO looks like! I thought the Bill part was Lukather...being a pro studio cat is like a MLB relief pitcher...you must be consistent whether you are "feelin" it or not...there are a lot of guys that can throw a 97mph fastball, but consistent location under pressure is a whole other matter.
Cheers tim, look forward to the new yr. all good wishes.
Wow that intro was sick! Great playing
Good info....I thought it was Slash the whole time. Luv Pierce and his videos. Monster player!
Your heavy metal riff is reminiscent of DR FEELGOOD!
That's exactly why I scrolled down, during the video. Glad to see I'm not alone.
It reminded me more of Girls, Girls, Girls, but I can hear the Feelgood in there, too.
JOHN PIOTROWSKI
If you like Dr Feelgood
Please check out
the heavy intro on
an earlier recording
by Thin Lizzy:
The Holy War
I thought i was the only one. Reminiscent? He even says a po[.pular song no the radio. Its absolutely DR FEELGOOD!!!!
yep, we should use this guy.
really super Tim.....!
Tim you are a great player, & a cool guy! Love your lessons sir! Have a great new year!
Oh man, can you please do a Toy Matinee episode? I would love to know what parts you did on some of that album, especially how to get tones and play some of the parts from "Last Plane Out"
Thank you!!
great riff that we can't forgot and good lesson too , thank you for sharing;)J-pascal
Whoa Tim
the solo in the beginning sounds fabulous. whole lot of energy, i like that. it's a pity it did not make it on the album that way.
#legend
Thank you!
That third did sound pretty smooth 🤔. I always thought of slightly "flattening" my B string for that purpose. This was a great video! 😎
You're awesome!
Been a fan of yours since the release of Living in Oz. Thanks for the lessons 👍
Tim ...thank u
THe riff is sick BUT lets face it, you gave him the riff of Dr Feelgood! ist awesome though!
Happy new year.You are a Legend sir.Great show.
you are a walking music history encyclopedia !!
Nah...He's what's contained upon the pages
Thanks for sharing the story!...
The last part of the chorus of Dr Feelgood!!!...
I always thought this was Slash for some reason!!!!!
This old dude can shred
Tim great video !!! The riff is kind of like Dr. Feelgood.
This is 8 seconds Tim Pierce on Black or White... still great! (from 2.31 until 2.39)
Happy New Year Tim!! Thanks for embarking on this RUclips venture. Perhaps it's time for a RUclips or MasterClass contest in which the prize is a Skype lesson with the master himself?
Great bunch of videos Tim. Long way from Mrs Pacheco"s chorus class at Wilson Middle School! If you get a chance it would be cool if you could do some Hughie Thomasson style lesson. Congrats on the RUclips Channel. You're killin' it as always.
tdhop1 the outlaws are so underrated especially here in the UK.
TIM, THANKS FOR THE VIDEO AND THE INFO, EVERY TIME I WATCH ONE OF YOUR VIDEO'S , I WANT TO GO GRAB MY GUITAR, LOL, AND I DO, COUSIN FIGEL
...good stuff Tim.... Thx
I know it would be a hell of a long list, Tim, but is there somewhere we can see a list of all your parts/songs? I can only imagine how many parts you’ve laid down that I’ve loved over the years...
It's totally Dr. Feelgood! :-)
1:35 Eddie Van Halen did that a lot, especially in songs like Unchained, in order to get the chords to sound "in tune" while being slightly out of tune!
You are a really good guy. Too bad I didn't know you and your theory of The Well Tempered Guitar when I decided to play a 12 string D-28 in 1969. Kottke ruined my life. All the best.
Cooool!
Hey Tim Pierce can you do a favourite/basic chord lesson? I feel like I'm getting really comfortable with the fretboard with basic major-minor stuff but I'm still a bit anxious about notation and basic chords and I would Love to hear what you have to say about this, I could just google top 20 chords or something but I thought I might ask as well because you're amazing and I love you're lessons and value you're insight :)
Tim, thank you SO much for this video! Is it the same guitar you used for recording that session?
The part of Mister Bill Bottrel is fast like the song Hurt So Good of John Mellencamp.
Smoking hot guitarist 🎸 ✌🏼
Hi Tim, Wow !! Great ,impeccable playing , tone and clean infinite sustain..MJ knew what he was doing when he chose you to do this..
Awesome as usual Tim! I think you might be referencing the Motley Crue song Dr. Feelgood?
sure he does, it's quasi the same riff :)
Dr. Feelgood has a similar riff.
It must have been great to work with Michael Jackson, his music is timeless. I also checked out wikipedia and yeah, your name is up there, awesome :p
Sometimes, if I hit a string pretty strong enough, the notes sharpens also a bit, therefore that Eadd9 can be somewhat a little more in tune than it usually should.
It's such a Keith Richards type of riff, I've always wondered why he didn't use an open G tuning.
E7 # 9
2 , 3 & 6 are either maj or min
Aug a& Dim are only on the 4 & 5
Where is this solo in Black or White, I've listened to a few youtube versions, and can't find it?
Awe inspiring video, btw. Love the channel.
I love Tim, fantastic teacher and excellent deliver, but to check out two other legendary session players, Tommy Todesco "the father of session players" watch the movie the Wrecking Crew, then he passed the torch to Steve Lukather.
i was never much of a Crue fan never got their massive popularity, though dont get me wrong they had a handful of pretty badass songs mostly earlier on. now if you had said Michael was in love with RATT at that time i would get it. just my personal opinion.
Thought that was played by Slash?!
Nice Guitar, sounds great!
Jan Tscherry I heard him say something about how he didn't play the riff that most people think about. No idea where to find that interview but I do remember he said that... So then... what did he play???
Slash plays part of that intro. Botrell plays the main riff and acoustic guitar and some keys I believe and Mr. Pierce plays what he shows here.
Great song. And the guitar play in it. Does this vid go over the rap? I didn't see the whole thing.