FOXTROT2R - The best compact light of 2023
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2023
- Shan tests the new Foxtrot2R in the lab and compares it versus the Streamlight TLR-7, which is the current reigning champ of compact weapon lights.
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We now are stocking the Foxtrot2R light, plus we continue to grow our support of holsters for this light. Check it all out at Werkz.com. Currently we have holsters for the Foxtrot2R with: P365 XMacro, P320, and now the Glock 17/19/45/etc family of pistols!
any plans for foxtrot2r holster support for a sig p365x?
Do you have holster that will fit the p365 axg legion with the foxtrot2r? I’m not having luck with ANY holster made for the macro or with a tlr7.
It looks like the foxtrot2r is a bit wider then the tlr7 and the rail on the axg is wider then the macro. I’m hoping to get one to work with.
I do not see the Foxtrot2r on your site; please advise.
I didnt see it either@@cnelson1106
That you get two batteries with the light is also great, because you can charge one battery when you swap to the other.
Yes!
Man been doing some gun builds lately and i have to say you are saving my ass right now your content deserves an award. I search a video and im bord out of my mind with other ppls mubble jumbo talking. Its a breath of fresh air to come listen to you speak and just get to the point with great extra info too, man you guys are are saving my ass right now thank you. You guys really do it all i love it. ❤️.
As always most illuminating content on RUclips!
Ha! Thanks much!
Thank you. I am now a huge fan of the Foxtrot2r. I have one on my P01, and I am ordering one for my WC. This light fits both firearms perfectly. I love the output. Will be ordering a new holster for the WC soon.
Glad you guys are making holsters! Was holding off on snagging this light as there was no support, but alas!
Yessir... we have holsters for the P320 and the P365 Macro.
I know im kind of late to the game seeing how I asked specifically for this review, but thank you! You're the #1 source I trust for light reviews because you actually give lumen/candela specs that you've found in your personal testing and dont just read the manufacturers' spec sheets.
The only reservation that I have about this light at all now is potential build durability with the mounting screw being seemingly easy to strip out, but there's really no way to know how it will fare the real world without people using it in the real world.
If they made the exact same light but out of aluminum it would be top dog in the compact pistol world (at least until cloud defensive release their lineup of pistol lights if they ever do at this point)
Looking forward to finishing my xMacro build with this light and putting it in one of your holsters and giving it some real world "testing"
Another great review Shan. I look forward to hearing your long term review of the Foxtrot2R. When I bought my Sig P320 X-Carry in 2019, Werkz was the only manufacturer that supported my pistol and the Olight PL-Mini Valkyrie 2 light I choose to run. I've been a dedicated Werkz customer since and look forward to new products as well as news, information and product reviews you, Jamison and the crew put out.
Randy, sorry for the slow response. Love having you as a familiar customer. I'm glad we can provide content that is valuable for you and the rest of the 2A community.
Yes, it is going to be my EDC for my XMacro.
Great review!
Thanks!
Good honesty about the run time drop off , I just need a light that locks off for a safe , many lights turn on too easy, melt down and burn out in safe, good mention for lefties as well, holsters that auto on and off or just auto off the light are pretty cool
This looks like a great light, and I may have to give it a go on my Arex Delta M Gen 2. Been running the Inforce Wild 1 on it, but this with two rechargeable sounds like a great deal!
Love that gun
Awesome review.
And I just looked on the website and you guys have the holster listed 👍(when you did the shorter video the site wasn't yet showing a holster for the Macro withe the foxtrot2R)
Glad you found it! Yeah, sometimes it takes a couple days for us to get the right stuff listed on the site. Thanks!
I have had one for a few weeks now. I like it a lot. My one gripe is the adapters. The 1913 adapter puts the rail section at the back because that works for SIGs. However, if you are using a Gen 5 Glock, Staccato, etc that has one rail slot up front it doesn’t work. You can use the Universal mount that does put the slot up front, but it’s thinner and there’s slack and the light can move somewhat.
What’s obnoxious is if you take the rail mount off, it should be able to be reversed because it will fit in the light the other way. However, there’s a radius on the bottom to account for the curve of the light body, and that radius is only on one side. Without that radius the metal screw can’t go through the adapter all the way. I found if I took a Dremel I could make my own radius in the rail adapter, meaning I could flip it back to front. This way you can have the 1913 rail section at practically any position you want when you couple that with the fact that the position can adjust slightly by design. It’s sort of unfortunate that SIG didn’t think of this as it would be easier to make as part of the injection mold and would make the light more usable across non-SIG products.
Sorry it took me so long to respond. This is great feedback. I wonder if Sig could update their injection mold for the adapter?
i went to buy this light and its still out of stock so other people must also like it thank you for making holsters
The lights they review well coincidentally go out of stock shortly following.
I think it's great if they have all these different lights that are creating competition and improving the entire industry. If it had a mix of both the foxtrot and the streamlights run time, that would be great
A rare sig product I’m very interested in. After letting it sit on the market for a little longer I’ll probably replace the TLR-7a on my PDP F 4”
I think it's a solid option. But I'll also be curious what advances others come up with.
Agree. I'm not a sig fan but have to admit this seems solid. Sometimes the pig finds the truffle as they say
I'd love to get this on my g19.5. Sometimes on the farm I need a little more push than I get with the tlr7a. I carry a strong handheld that I can go to but I find myself wanting more on the 19.
Good feedback... I suspect if the light continues to get traction we could very well support Glock.
I’ve been waiting for this. I am switching my department to G45 MOS handguns and want a compact light to take advantage of the new Rapid Force duty holsters for guns with compact lights. This appears to be suitable for duty use, unlike the TLR7. I’d love to have concealment holsters available for the G45/G19 series.
Good feedback... Glock is likely the most common request we would get for supporting the F2R.
Might I suggest that duty use should call for a full-power light?
@@TommyTombstoneI don’t disagree. However a full sized light requires a larger opening in the holster. I have 2 officers using the Rapid Force designed for full sized lights. It’s not hard to get a finger inside the holster and on the trigger. If I can reduce that weakness with a smaller light while retaining performance I want to explore that.
@@MichaelTravis12c27 John from PHLSTER famously said "what are you simulating by taking a fair amount of time and effort, in controlled conditions, to force a finger in there and maybe pull the trigger? What are you accomplishing?"
@@TommyTombstonewhat do you gain by having finger sized openings around the trigger guard?
Amazing. We always knew advancements would come and eventually the 7sub would be eclipsed, but 4ish times the candela while having better spill and more consistent higher lumen output within 8ish minutes, if I'm reading those charts right? That's pretty damned impressive. Now we just need to see how she does in longer-term use tests and durability stuff. I'm not quick to be optimistic given Sig's track record but they usually do pretty substantial improvements on gen 2-3 and onward on products.
As someone who loves his tlr1-hl dearly and laments having to go down to compact lights, this is now on my short list of things to try out. I don't mind getting another Werkz m6, I've liked mine well enough (I really wish y'all would offer dcc clips though, I've found them significantly better than the standard plastic clips incuded) to get a second one if I like the light performance.
DCC clips are definitely the standard. That's the most common upgrade I tell people to make to their CCW rig.
7:20... Excellent, regardless of your dominate side, having the same control operation is a MASSIVE plus !! IMHO.
Glad you picked up on that!
SA Echelon is my new potential daily carry gun and I would love to see a holster for the E with this light. I currently have one of your holsters for my Hellcat Pro with TLR-7 Sub which I LOVE.
I like the Foxtrot2R as well, however… I EDC a XTEN Comp, and the Foxtrot2R’s clamping mechanism strips out within two magazines fired! I’m in the process of returning the second Foxtrot2R to Sig for a replacement. Conversely, the Streamlight 7A and TLR-1 HL handles 10mm just fine… and I told this to Sig.
The Foxtrot2R could use a tad more Lumens/spill. Otherwise, it’s awesome!
Thanks for providing that info. I wasn't aware of that potential issue.
@@WerkzHolsters You’re welcome. Sig is sending me a replacement bolt and clamp, and I will send them my bolt and clamp so they may examine them. If they are procuring the parts from a subcontractor (SKTR), I want them to know of potential issues as well.
The way the switches work in terms of how/when momentary works etc, you can actually tap on the switches to change the program.
Man a steel or brass version would be awesome for recoil management. Also a 18350 version would be awesome.
The run time downside is easily overcome for me by the rechargeable battery, I can always have a topped off battery and still do low light dry fire drills on a whim in my house
And since it comes with 2 batteries you can always have one charged.
I'm about to buy another M6 because I'll be swapping out the grip module on my 365X for the Mischief Machine Commander XXL, and slapping a Foxtrot2R on it. MM says their 1913 rails are larger than OEM, but I'm hoping it'll fit anyway since light bearing holsters attach to the light...
*EDIT* Just got all the pieces together today. Mischief Machine Commander XXL was EEEEVER so slightly taller than a Macro, but all it took was a minute of $25 heat gun from Home Depot and voila! Fit in the holster so perfectly it might as well have been made for it. All I did was heat up the top portion that hugs the top of the slide
does foxtrot2r fit the holster?does your holster make to fit the foxtrot2r?
Best light hands down for the size.
Any chance you guys will make a holster for this with the M&p9 2.0 compact?
i would love to put this light on my cz p10c.
also could you test the output/runtime with cr123a?
And I would like to have a holster with the new Foxtrot for my Glock like Bul Armory Axe C Hatchet, and My Sig p320x Compact. Also my CZ p07.
I have a 365XL with an EPS Carry and TLR7-Sub, I have a WC frame for it just haven’t gotten around to trying it, and I think it has standard 1913. So in theory I could run this new light on that frame but then holster availability becomes the snag.
Seems that every grip module manufacturer places their rails at different distances below bore. This means that even though the rail may hold the light, a holster built for one grip module may not work with another. For instance, MM modules won't fit in holsters we build for the X-Macro.
I want a holster for this light on my wife's gun, the MP equalizer.
Good feedback thankis.
Will this fit on a Sig p229 legion?
Weird that its a Sig light, that can fit compact pistols, yet NOWHERE online can you find anyone pairing a foxtrot2 with a p229
I just ordered a sig p365 agx legion with the foxtrot2 light and I need a quality iwb holster . I briefly looked on your web sight and did not see a holster for this. Do you guys have one?
i have a suggestion. every time you test lights for their output and run time, you only test it being constantly on until the battery dies, right? when you leave it constantly running it's going to power down to prevent overheating. it would be nice to see how the light performs when turned on periodically. i imagine if you did the foxtrot at say 5 or 10 minute intervals it would probably keep up the 500+ lumens for much longer over the battery's life.
I like the suggestion. Yes, that would reduce thermal throttling. I used to perform a similar test for output consistency (one minute on, then one off, for ten cycles), but it was rather time intensive, and I'm not sure people were that interested. Thoughts?
I think that would be a good test particularly for this light. Considering that one of it's biggest weaknesses is the constant run time. That being said, I wouldn't want to sit around turning on and off lights for an hour either lol Great work as always, keep it up! @@WerkzHolsters
@@WerkzHolsters Yeah, this would be extremely valuable to me! Based on the comments, I appear to be the only one turned off by the sudden and drastic drop in output, especially by the 14 min mark! I think I'd rather have the consistency of the TLR. If the dramatic drop is due to thermal throttling, and the average lumen output over the life of the battery is more consistent, I'd be more inclined to consider the FT2R. I'm more likely to use this light in short multi-minute bursts, than a constant on for an hour. Maybe a test in 3-4 min intervals? Thank you for your content!
The foxtrot 2 on my x-macro was better than the tlr-7sub on my brothers x-macro when we compared them side by side. Im getting a 2R for my macro and sticking my old 2 on my 509c
The F2R is the first Sig light that I'm willing to run. I think they did a very nice job.
I have one on my P365 xmacro and I’m waiting for you to have a holster for it.
They already do. I have it for my XMacro Tacops and Foxtrot2R. And if I’m correct, they have it for the XMacro Comp with the same configuration. I love it, by the way
Freaking RUclips, I don't know how I missed this but I just got this video today and it's 7 months old. Do you still think the TLR 7 sub and the new Foxtrot are some of the top of the line?
Just ordered one for the xmacro tacops and then 15 minutes later I decided I wanted to buy the Icarus precision ace x macro grip module do you know if I’ll have a problem with fitment because of the gas pedals/finger indexing points they use on their frame?
I don't recall... probably best to email our customer service team.
Are these currently available on your shop I see that they are but I’m making sure it’s not a back order or waiting time
Do u make a holster for FN Tactical 45 . Does the light a
So fit on that gun .
Running a Shadow Systems CR920P…
Do you have a holster for this pistol and this new Sig light..? Cheers..!
365xl with TacDev Pro Ledge and running the Foxtrot2R. Noticed you still don't have an option for the Foxtrot2R yet. Is that still something that is in the..Werkz?
Do you offer a holster that will work with the P365 AXG legion with the foxtrot2r?
I'm carrying a shadow systems mr920
I’d like to put this night on my XL Spectre Comp. Do you all plan to make a holster for this configuration?
Need a torture test
Never over tight light screws, I learn the hard way 😖
Did they already discontinue the 2R?
Will this light fight my g29 tlr 7A werkz holster ?
Ive been trying to get my hands on this light i couldn't find one
Torrey, we have a case of them in stock now; should list them on the site in the coming week.
@@WerkzHolsters Yeah I just ordered one a few days ago...Now I'm looking to get a P320 X Compact holster I plan on making this my EDC light....Your website doesn't show Foxtrot holsters yet
@@WerkzHolstersCorrection I just found your Foxtrot 2R holsters on your website I just ordered one 😁
will this fit both the Steyr M9A1 and M9A2 MF and the Walther PDP?
How about a Sig p229 Legion SAO holster with the Foxtrot 2R.
5:06 Picatinny rail was stripped? Or the flashlight was stripped? Cause I have definitely stripped my 229 legion RXP with it.
Is it the same holster for the1X?
I just wish there were better lights for the standard P365 frame. I keep hoping Goonbeam will successfully mod the TLR7sub.
The TLR-7Sub is a pretty good light.
How about the fit on the Hellcat Pro?
Need Canik MC9 + 2R compatible holster 🤙🏽
Will this fit on my Czp10c?
Want to know if this will work for any of the SAR 9 pistols? Asking for a friend...😮
I think our support of SAR 9 so far is... well... nonexistent.
Need a holster for the p365 axg legion with the foxtrot 2r! Axg legion does NOT fit in x macro holsters as sig said they do.
The CRI+temperature is almost a deal breaker for me. I’ve become absolutely spoiled because I get Prometheus Lights handheld flashlights and his LEDs are 90+ CRI 4000-5000k. I’ve even replaced the emitters on my Alpha and Delta flashlights to improve the CRI and lumens years after I purchased them.
Sig sauer electro optics is having a holosun moment.
Will it fit on Canik elite SC?
It should fit... holster selection may be limited though.
Is the Foxtrot2R the same as a Foxtrot2?
Our data shows them to perform differently.
Will it fit a Glock 30/29?
I would consult Sig Sauer for that info, but I believe so! Good luck finding holsters though...
Not having a p365 version is a bummer
Yeah, rail mount only.
Man I wish it was shorter. Tlr7 is the longest I can go with p320 xcompact.
Just let it hang over a little bit... :)
How does this compare to the foxtrot 2
It's better.
Thanks for this! It basically confirms all my suspicions. I have also put the TLR-7 Sub away and carry the Foxtrot2R. Can't wait to get one of your presicion Holsters.
Here is my unboxing video:
ruclips.net/video/7b6jCHLym2Y/видео.htmlsi=iZEFtgnhIZUEGm7U
Here is a TLR-7 vs Foxtrot 2 short comparison..
ruclips.net/user/shortswCgd-hV2Zus?feature=share
Q2 2024 update - Sig seems to have completely killed production of this light as it's been OOS across the interwebs for months now. Such a shame as it's an incredible little light.
Vs tlr7 hl!!!
I’m in the market for an AIWB holster for my new “XTEN Comp.” With that, I’m looking for a small light to put on it - a 7A or something similar to keep it flush with the muzzle or less. I don’t want to put a larger/longer light on it as then I’d keep carrying my original XTEN with the TLR1-HL.
This light on an FN 509T Compact and Mid...
Preferably in FDE or Coyote...
🧐 🤔
And of course it doesn't fit the p365's and there's no adapter 🙄
I'm not impressed with the attachment on 7 sub, comes loose every box of ammo
Interesting I've not seen that on ours.
@WerkzHolsters is what it is I suppose
Terrible Background music. Had to stop viewing this video because of it.
Thanks for the feedback.
My friend Rafael Castrillo is a tlr sub fanboi. He is crying right now watching this video 😭
I have been, and continue to be, in favor of the TLR-7Sub. Though it's not got the candela of the F2R, it has much wider holster availability.
No thanks
lol sig light that does fit my sig pistol 😂
lol Sig light won’t for my sig pistol😂😂😂
Do you offer a sidecar holster that can use this with a P365XL Mischief Machine Commander and FDEZ XXL comp slide?