After the decommissioning, these rifles they often was used for armed watchmans, yard keepers, etc. In the Russian language remains a popular expression: "storoz s Berdankoy" = "the guard with the Berdan rifle".
Ian, i would just like to say i love your channel. I have been watching for a long time. I like you because you seem like a nice, quiet, guy. Not your standard shoot-em-up-texas-drawl-get-some gun guy but a histoy buff that happens to like the story and mechanincs behiind such fascinating contraptions. You leave the drama, splosions and politics behind. I respect that! Kind regards from the Netherlands!
Huh. I'm surprised you didn't mention the "Cossack" variant. It was basically the same as the infantry variant, but with a button trigger and no trigger guard. Because...reasons.
It wasn't actually a button, rather a "reeded drum" as it's described in the manual. Cossacks always had their own model of firearm since their inclusion in the early 19th century. The original cosaack rifles were much like the ottoman "tufek" miquelets but much thinner stocks. These also had no triggerguards and "button triggers" and what we now know as mosin style sling slots that allowed them to be carried on the back without the trigger rubbing against them
Many of those after service were converted to other calibers (like for 16 gauge), and sold on civilian market. "Berdanka" ("берданка") for a while, at least for the first half of XX century was synonymous with cheap hunting rifle or shotgun.
@@nazarderkach9320 Not quite, the glock thing is a lack of knowledge the use of Berdanka in slavic lexicons is more to do with an evolution of language since in the modern day the word Berdanka is short hand for mid-tier bolt action rifles, usually ex-military ones that aren't mosins
"Berdanka" was definitely a thing. Hard to tell why and how people got the ammo. It was kind of a hunting rifle back in the days. Nobody in Russia knew who the hell Mosin was until forgotten weapons came about. All Russians knew is a "three line rifle". I never knew it was about the caliber until Ian pointed it out...
Funny thing, the affectionate name for this rifle "Berdanka" entered the russian language as a synonym for any lever/bolt/breach loading rifle/shotgun.
People often talk about bingeing on s channel - I'm pretty certain that Forgotten Weapons is the only channel that I truly binge on - endlessly fascinating content.
Some of these were given to Korean rebel groups by Imperial Russia in the 1900s and 10s. Alongside American Remingtons RBs and French rifles. There are beat up examples of them with that explanation in the South Korean War Museum in Seoul.
oh, how far firearms have come over the ages. now the US military is phasing in the next generation MX7 infantry rifles. they're standardizing the newly developed .227 fury round in all of their munitions. this means that between the rifleman & machine gunners, they'll be using the same rounds. imagine how much easier it would have been on logistics if they had that type of convenience during the world wars. one day, all of NATO will utilize one global, high-tec round. this is truly the future
The only antique firearm that I've hold and even dry fired.They was partially incorporated in the bulgarian army during the wars for national unification 1912-1918 besides the prolific and main armament - the steyr manlicher 1895.Thanks for the video.
They fired an 8mm Lebel cartirdge out of the Gras rifle without modifying the locking mechanism at all, just a single asymmetrical rear locking lug. Supposedly it was all right but that was with a 90-degree bolt throw.
Have to agree with other comments, been watching your videos since the first month they started popping up, anticipating each episode more than my weekly TV-shows :) Best channel on YT, by far!
Man, love your channel. I love Mosins, so this was very cool to see what they were using prior. Thanks a lot for doing what you do! When I have some spare cash I'll definitely be hitting up that Patreon. Take care!
Love these early bolt-action reviews. Just sent some partreon $$$ your way, Ian. Hope it helps with your future projects; like, you know, looking at some more Japanese weapons (like a Type 22 Murata that might be up in this auction, nudge nudge).
Slight correction here - [5:04] - Berdan №2 rifle has proven its highly-rated reliability and outstanding combat performance (that's how it ended up in the Imperial Russian army, after all). It took a minor part in Russo-Turkish war 1877-78 for only two reasons. First, there were simply not enough rifles for all line troops - mass production really took off in the mid-1870s, and by the time of war, there were just 253.152 rifles available (plus 103.616 in stock), these were all given to riflemen (experienced sharp-shooters operating in extended formations). Another reason - it was a brand new rifle with a brand new cartridge, on short commons, unfamiliar to vast majority of troops. So, instead, they were given a whole stash of elder rifles, ones they've got used to... By the end of war, 21 divisions were fully equipped with Berdan №2 rifles...
You forgot the coolest version: The Cossack pattern rifle with a button trigger and no trigger guard. It's fine, as this is the Forgotten Weapons channel. Big fan here, just being nerdier than thou. Carry on with the best gun channel on the 'tubes!
If you're referring to bolt action, it's still widely used to this day for some purposes. Hunting rifles for one thing, but in military service it's sometimes still used for sniper rifles, like the L96, SV-98, M24, and some anti-material rifles like the KSVK-12.7 and NTW-20. Even as militaries finally begin switching to semi-auto for sniper and anti-material rifles, tactical police forces still tend to like their bolt actions for sniping missions. They're just so simple and reliable and probably won't disappear at least in civilian use anytime soon and will still be used by police for quite a while too.
Good lord, that's a damn classic. The smokeless variants were used by security companies up until 90s. A lone warden with a Berdan is such a classic image, songs were written about it. 'Железнодорожник" by Nautilus Pompilius is a notable example.
Apparently US public opinion during the Crimean war was with Russia. During the US civil war, the Russians sent their flagship to a port-call in NY to show support. MAY have had some influence on why Russia sold Alaska to the US, rather than Canada/UK.
Nice example, and I'd bid on it if it weren't tied to four other rifles, which all have to be paid for and buyer's premium paid for them as well. I've bought quite a bit from Rock Island through the years, but not so much since they started getting carried away with these group lots.
I came across one of these for sale on Craigslist in NYC a few years back with Japanese symbols engraved into barrel and on the stock. I'm thinking a Russo-Japanese war capture. Unfortunately the owner wanted way more than I was willing to spend for it since I had no idea of it's value. He wanted $700, which I have no idea was a decent price or not.
Bizarrely enough, there's a Berdan II Dragoon variant with 0 matching numbers that keeps showing up in my shop like a bad penny. I've sold the critter 3 times so far and she keeps coming back to be resold. It's to the point that I'm debating just keeping it next time it shows up. On a semi-related note, there was a Blindee Berdan II (marked 7.92, not 7.62, and sporting a Belgian proof identical to the ones found on Blindee M91 conversions) walking around at the last Tulsa gun show. I believe the gentleman selling it was asking $4200. Infantry pattern, all matching serial numbers, stock actually had a crossbolt added to the wrist which was truly strange. I passed on it because it just reeked of fakery, but who knows... The Belgians did some strange things with Russian firearms.
I have one similar, but don't know were to go to sell it. A gift from a loved one that past away. I'm still paying for the cost of his funeral and would really help if I could find a buyer.
Ian, from what I understand, it was the Berdan I rifles used in the Russo-Turkish War, not the Berdan II. Unfortunately for the Russians, there Turkish opponents had Henry rifles along with their Martini's and the use of these against troops armed mainly with the Krnka trapdoor rifles and using obsolete massed charge tactics were devastatingly effective.
The Russian armay was equped in majority with Krnka Rifles caliber 15,24mm, Carl Rifle with papper ammunition ( like German Dreyse) and only the 10% of the tropps had the Berdan n°1 and N°2 rifles. The battle of Pleven was won by Russian with the help of the Romanian and Bulgarian allies because, finally, arrived enought Berdans to help the effort. The Russian production of Berdan n°2 rifle started after 1880 three years after Russian-Turckish war ;)
Speaking of american bolt actions that ended up in russia... I hope one day I get to see a Greene rifle on this channe. It's another civil war design, but a really weird one, a percussion bolt action, where you'd load two paper cartridges at the same time, and the nipple for the cap is on the bottom of the gun. The russians bought these in way higher numbers than the US military.
Hi I love your videos and watch them a lot. After looking at the Berdan 2, and the Gras, Mauser, and the kropatschek rifles It would seem to me that with its higher receiver walls, the Berdan 2 was most likely the strongest of the early bolt actions. And i am sure that it is at least as strong as the 1886/88/90 Mannlicher straight pull rifles, and these all shot the Austrian 8 x 50 Austrian cartridge Also we know that thousands Gras rifles were converted to fire the 8 x 50 lebel Given all of this If I were to attempt the conversion of an old Black powder bolt action in to smokeless rifle, The Berdan 2 would be the rifle, and Austrian 8x 50 would be the cartridge, or perhaps the original 7.62x54R loading. It might be easier to push a 205 grain .31 caliber bullet than a 244 grain .32 caliber one. Ps, I wish I had the time and money to play around with some of these old gals.
That rifle has a 'half cock' safety (like the SMLE) - hold the trigger down as you slowly close the bolt, feel the trigger slip past the full cock notch then release the trigger and the sear falls into the deep notch, the bolt can be closed on a round but not fired until the striker is pulled back to full cock. That is why so many bolt action rifles had large knobs or flanges on the striker (pre-1914 SMLE, 03 Springfield, Moisin-Nagant for example).
"If you want your gun to be on safe, just take the cartridge out" I love when gun designers try to explain away issues with their design by suggesting you just don't know what you really want in a gun.
Just curious. Do you have this knowledge of all these guns just in your brain or is it something you brush up on before you make a video on a particular gun? Impressive nonetheless.
At this time Russia was copying American designs en masse. The Gorlov was in reality the Gattling. Schofield was screwed over the deal on his revolver, the Maxim gun was also adopted and used well into WW2. Even the TT33 pistol betrayed American 1911 design.
From what I can find, the comparison is based on a statement in the memoirs of a single English commander serving in the Turkish army at the time of the Turkish-Russo War, who never actually explained specifically why the Martini-Henry was superior to the Berdan. My guess is he was biased as an Englishman. If anything, the Berdan was slightly superior to the Martini-Henry in terms of muzzle velocity and long-range accuracy.
Ian - I would like to ask if your voice is ok. There is a crackle to it lately that makes it sound as though you've recently gotten over a bad cold - but it has lasted for a while. Have you been doing a lot of lecturing or something?
+Heather Spoonheim I appreciate the concern, but I am fine. I film the auction house videos over the course of a couple days, so when I have a cold or a cut on a finger it looks like it lasts for a long time simply because the videos publish over a much longer period than it took to film them.
No, Tula plant was founded by Peter I in early 18th century and Izhevsk plant dates back to early 19th century. It's true though that both plants were restructured and upgraded for Berdan rifles production, and the legacy continues to this day.
+Ironstorm Rifle volley sights typical go out a lot farther than the regular sight - to 2500m or more. This requires mounting the front sight low on the gun and the rear sight high, in order to get enough upward angle on the barrel. It you were to build that into the regular rear sight it would be really outlandishly tall.
so i know that the mosin has no direct lineage to this rifel like different makers and everything but i can see where the makers of the mosin took alot of their design from this rifel
+kee1haul Going by the huge graduation, I assume it's a sighting system meant for large groups of soldiers firing in volleys over a great distance (like very jerry-rigged anti-personnel artillery).
@@ToastyMozart It occasionally saw use in colonial settings, where a large number of enemies might be sighted over a mile away, in close order and hence vulnerable, and since the rifles could reach that far, a company or more might use the volley sights and fire in unison at them. It might do some morale demage to natives to be hit even at that great distance. Volley sights were never as useful as to offset the trouble involved in manufacturing them, and in WW1 they ceased to be manufactured. The shorter distances but greater sophistication (dispersed order, digging trenches) made volley sights useless.
hmm was it the Berdan or the SVT-40 Tokarev that came before the Mosin? I guess both technically! the SVT-40 was supposed to replace the Mosin, but Russia switched back to Mosin part way through the war. P.S. I'd like to see an SVT-40 video!
After the decommissioning, these rifles they often was used for armed watchmans, yard keepers, etc. In the Russian language remains a popular expression: "storoz s Berdankoy" = "the guard with the Berdan rifle".
+Nikolay Krasilnikov Berdanka by itself is a humorous name for an old rifle or shotgun.
Nowadays is it "the guard with the Makarov pistol?"
+Nikolay Krasilnikov Or "babka s Berdankoy" = "granny with a Berdan rifle (or any old shitty firearm)"
+Nikolay Krasilnikov I also heard that those rifles were loaded with special salt (non lethal, but very painfull) cartridges.
Actually the "Berdanka" name was officially used for those single shot shotgun conversions, made out of written-off rifles.
amazing - Ian knows about the "line" measurement system and can actually pronounce "Izhevsk" correctly. I'm very impressed.
Alexander Ivanov arshins and lines.
AMAZING BRUH
Hes gun jesus for a reason
Ian, i would just like to say i love your channel. I have been watching for a long time. I like you because you seem like a nice, quiet, guy. Not your standard shoot-em-up-texas-drawl-get-some gun guy but a histoy buff that happens to like the story and mechanincs behiind such fascinating contraptions. You leave the drama, splosions and politics behind. I respect that! Kind regards from the Netherlands!
+Rob Feldkamp Thanks!
+Rob Feldkamp Ditto!
+Rob Feldkamp I agree, Tim from MAC is good. TFB TV also explores a lot of historical weapons.
Ian seems like he could be fun once he gets a couple of drinks in him lol.
Check out Chris Baker at Lucky Gunner!
Huh. I'm surprised you didn't mention the "Cossack" variant. It was basically the same as the infantry variant, but with a button trigger and no trigger guard. Because...reasons.
+Mad Mike
Probably so you could use it while wearing mittens or gloves.
It wasn't actually a button, rather a "reeded drum" as it's described in the manual.
Cossacks always had their own model of firearm since their inclusion in the early 19th century. The original cosaack rifles were much like the ottoman "tufek" miquelets but much thinner stocks. These also had no triggerguards and "button triggers" and what we now know as mosin style sling slots that allowed them to be carried on the back without the trigger rubbing against them
My guess is that they wore bulky gloves
Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe that was the dragoon version which he did mention
@@rebelfriend9949 i'm correcting you, you're wrong
Many of those after service were converted to other calibers (like for 16 gauge), and sold on civilian market. "Berdanka" ("берданка") for a while, at least for the first half of XX century was synonymous with cheap hunting rifle or shotgun.
Just like some uneducated folks in America call any semi-automatic pistol a "Glock".
@@nazarderkach9320 Not quite, the glock thing is a lack of knowledge the use of Berdanka in slavic lexicons is more to do with an evolution of language since in the modern day the word Berdanka is short hand for mid-tier bolt action rifles, usually ex-military ones that aren't mosins
I saw one 30 years ago in Paris, rebarrelled with a Chatellerault made barrel dated 1895, coming from a Mosin 1891. Strange indeed
"Berdanka" was definitely a thing. Hard to tell why and how people got the ammo. It was kind of a hunting rifle back in the days.
Nobody in Russia knew who the hell Mosin was until forgotten weapons came about. All Russians knew is a "three line rifle". I never knew it was about the caliber until Ian pointed it out...
Funny thing, the affectionate name for this rifle "Berdanka" entered the russian language as a synonym for any lever/bolt/breach loading rifle/shotgun.
Much more frequently it means any sort of old gun or a gun that is inadequate to the situation.
Love this channel! Its like the History Channel, but for gun nuts.
I hope you've subscribed to the C&Rsenal channel. Focusing on WW1 weapons right now in a cooperation with The Great War channel.
+Carolus Rex At least he is in a auction house.
+Carolus Rex Ahem. We. . .don't talk about aliens here.
I beg to differ. The History Channel is just crap nowadays and FW is definitely not just for gun nuts.
Calle Söderberg You nailed it, fellow country man! =)
People often talk about bingeing on s channel - I'm pretty certain that Forgotten Weapons is the only channel that I truly binge on - endlessly fascinating content.
Some of these were given to Korean rebel groups by Imperial Russia in the 1900s and 10s. Alongside American Remingtons RBs and French rifles. There are beat up examples of them with that explanation in the South Korean War Museum in Seoul.
You can really see the DNA of the Berdan II in the Mosin Nagant rifles, I didn't realize the Mosin borrowed so heavily from the Berdan II
Its a bolt action, you can only make so much variations 🌚
Allowed them to use the same tooling to make Mosins without much of an outlay in new machinery.
oh, how far firearms have come over the ages. now the US military is phasing in the next generation MX7 infantry rifles. they're standardizing the newly developed .227 fury round in all of their munitions. this means that between the rifleman & machine gunners, they'll be using the same rounds. imagine how much easier it would have been on logistics if they had that type of convenience during the world wars. one day, all of NATO will utilize one global, high-tec round. this is truly the future
@@SexyFace it's .277 caliber by the way
My great-grandfather likely carried one of these as a Russian conscript kidnapped as a boy and forced to fight in the Russo-Japanese War
oh dear, not the happiest thing to happen to someone
Could you please do a video series on gun manufacturing techniques over the years, how they changed and what these changes mean?
"dabbled" doesn't seem to fit for anyone who had a major power adopt one of their rifles
Two of his rifles.
Russia ordered 30,000 Berdan I trapdoor rifles from Colt's, before they adopted the Berdan II bolt action rifles as standard.
Finally! Been wanting to see a Berdianka for years. Thanks, Ian!
The only antique firearm that I've hold and even dry fired.They was partially incorporated in the bulgarian army during the wars for national unification 1912-1918 besides the prolific and main armament - the steyr manlicher 1895.Thanks for the video.
Liked this because of "Colt-Berdan I: Russia's First Military Cartridge Rifle" from 17 hours ago. 05/21
Anyone else?
I'm glad you said the redesigned the bolt, Imagining that action firing 7.62x54R scared the hell out of me! LOL!
They fired an 8mm Lebel cartirdge out of the Gras rifle without modifying the locking mechanism at all, just a single asymmetrical rear locking lug. Supposedly it was all right but that was with a 90-degree bolt throw.
The actual question which makes me wonder is how did this rifle got this unforgotten. It was widely used and saw some action in WWII.
Danglars are you sure you're not thinking of the Mosin? The berdan is a really old black powder gun
No. I'm talking about Berdan.
Have to agree with other comments, been watching your videos since the first month they started popping up, anticipating each episode more than my weekly TV-shows :) Best channel on YT, by far!
Man, love your channel. I love Mosins, so this was very cool to see what they were using prior. Thanks a lot for doing what you do! When I have some spare cash I'll definitely be hitting up that Patreon. Take care!
Love these early bolt-action reviews. Just sent some partreon $$$ your way, Ian. Hope it helps with your future projects; like, you know, looking at some more Japanese weapons (like a Type 22 Murata that might be up in this auction, nudge nudge).
+Edward Ross Thanks!
to me this wasn't forgotten I never heard of it Thanks for increasing my knowledge
Slight correction here - [5:04] - Berdan №2 rifle has proven its highly-rated reliability and outstanding combat performance (that's how it ended up in the Imperial Russian army, after all). It took a minor part in Russo-Turkish war 1877-78 for only two reasons. First, there were simply not enough rifles for all line troops - mass production really took off in the mid-1870s, and by the time of war, there were just 253.152 rifles available (plus 103.616 in stock), these were all given to riflemen (experienced sharp-shooters operating in extended formations). Another reason - it was a brand new rifle with a brand new cartridge, on short commons, unfamiliar to vast majority of troops. So, instead, they were given a whole stash of elder rifles, ones they've got used to... By the end of war, 21 divisions were fully equipped with Berdan №2 rifles...
Congrats on a million subs, Ian. Cheers from Canada
I never knew Hiram berdan was a weapons designer the only time I've ever heard that name was when he was in charge of the berdan Sharpshooters
You have to admire the simplicity of it.
You forgot the coolest version: The Cossack pattern rifle with a button trigger and no trigger guard.
It's fine, as this is the Forgotten Weapons channel.
Big fan here, just being nerdier than thou. Carry on with the best gun channel on the 'tubes!
I love you professionalism when it comes to firearms! You truly set yourself apart from all the other "gun channels". Keep up the great work!
Ian, I just watched the second time. This was outstanding, thank you.
as a note, several of these were used with fake magazines in early Soviet films in the place of Mosin-Nagants
Europeans really picked one mechanism in the 1870s and then stuck with it for another 70 years huh
If you're referring to bolt action, it's still widely used to this day for some purposes. Hunting rifles for one thing, but in military service it's sometimes still used for sniper rifles, like the L96, SV-98, M24, and some anti-material rifles like the KSVK-12.7 and NTW-20.
Even as militaries finally begin switching to semi-auto for sniper and anti-material rifles, tactical police forces still tend to like their bolt actions for sniping missions.
They're just so simple and reliable and probably won't disappear at least in civilian use anytime soon and will still be used by police for quite a while too.
Good lord, that's a damn classic. The smokeless variants were used by security companies up until 90s. A lone warden with a Berdan is such a classic image, songs were written about it. 'Железнодорожник" by Nautilus Pompilius is a notable example.
It's sad that the US and Russia used to get along so well back before 1917...
The US and Russia were close and trusted allies actually, from the very beginning of the US up until 1917 (the commie revolution).
American and Russian people get along just fine! It's their governments that don't get along.
The us cant really get along with anyone
Apparently US public opinion during the Crimean war was with Russia. During the US civil war, the Russians sent their flagship to a port-call in NY to show support. MAY have had some influence on why Russia sold Alaska to the US, rather than Canada/UK.
Communism ruins everything.
Nice example, and I'd bid on it if it weren't tied to four other rifles, which all have to be paid for and buyer's premium paid for them as well. I've bought quite a bit from Rock Island through the years, but not so much since they started getting carried away with these group lots.
I came across one of these for sale on Craigslist in NYC a few years back with Japanese symbols engraved into barrel and on the stock. I'm thinking a Russo-Japanese war capture. Unfortunately the owner wanted way more than I was willing to spend for it since I had no idea of it's value. He wanted $700, which I have no idea was a decent price or not.
Beautiful rifle.
There is one up here in Canada that has 7.62 marked on the stock for 650
Might have to pick it up
Bizarrely enough, there's a Berdan II Dragoon variant with 0 matching numbers that keeps showing up in my shop like a bad penny. I've sold the critter 3 times so far and she keeps coming back to be resold. It's to the point that I'm debating just keeping it next time it shows up.
On a semi-related note, there was a Blindee Berdan II (marked 7.92, not 7.62, and sporting a Belgian proof identical to the ones found on Blindee M91 conversions) walking around at the last Tulsa gun show. I believe the gentleman selling it was asking $4200. Infantry pattern, all matching serial numbers, stock actually had a crossbolt added to the wrist which was truly strange. I passed on it because it just reeked of fakery, but who knows... The Belgians did some strange things with Russian firearms.
I have one similar, but don't know were to go to sell it. A gift from a loved one that past away. I'm still paying for the cost of his funeral and would really help if I could find a buyer.
This is the gun Dersu Uzala carried, both on the silver screen and in real life
Fascinating! , and pre 1898 rifles are considered antiques in the US, not as controlled as 1898 on weapons
Is there such thing as a surplus berdan rifle? I would love to get my hands on one. Such lovely rifles:)
Ian, from what I understand, it was the Berdan I rifles used in the Russo-Turkish War, not the Berdan II. Unfortunately for the Russians, there Turkish opponents had Henry rifles along with their Martini's and the use of these against troops armed mainly with the Krnka trapdoor rifles and using obsolete massed charge tactics were devastatingly effective.
The Russian armay was equped in majority with Krnka Rifles caliber 15,24mm, Carl Rifle with papper ammunition ( like German Dreyse) and only the 10% of the tropps had the Berdan n°1 and N°2 rifles. The battle of Pleven was won by Russian with the help of the Romanian and Bulgarian allies because, finally, arrived enought Berdans to help the effort. The Russian production of Berdan n°2 rifle started after 1880 three years after Russian-Turckish war ;)
Speaking of american bolt actions that ended up in russia... I hope one day I get to see a Greene rifle on this channe. It's another civil war design, but a really weird one, a percussion bolt action, where you'd load two paper cartridges at the same time, and the nipple for the cap is on the bottom of the gun. The russians bought these in way higher numbers than the US military.
Hi I love your videos and watch them a lot. After looking at the Berdan 2, and the Gras, Mauser, and the kropatschek rifles It would seem to me that with its higher receiver walls, the Berdan 2 was most likely the strongest of the early bolt actions. And i am sure that it is at least as strong as the 1886/88/90 Mannlicher straight pull rifles, and these all shot the Austrian 8 x 50 Austrian cartridge Also we know that thousands Gras rifles were converted to fire the 8 x 50 lebel Given all of this If I were to attempt the conversion of an old Black powder bolt action in to smokeless rifle, The Berdan 2 would be the rifle, and Austrian 8x 50 would be the cartridge, or perhaps the original 7.62x54R loading. It might be easier to push a 205 grain .31 caliber bullet than a 244 grain .32 caliber one. Ps, I wish I had the time and money to play around with some of these old gals.
Wasn't there also an odd primer named after(designed by?) him that seems to be used in a lot of modern Tula rounds?
CrysResan yes, and if I'm right. Theyve been used ever since the mosin and are still being used today. I guess Russians just have to be special...
Good god there's so much sass in the comment above
Awesome thanks ian
I think it’s neat that it has lefty volley sights
We have Thorneycroft to SA80 and Chassepot to Famas, I hope we get Berdan to AK-74M
Universal Gun Disassembly Tool. I need to get one of those.
These guns helped Ethiopia save itself from the colonialism of Italy.
It would be interesting to see how to convert this to 2 locking lugs.
They should get this guy his own TV show
That rifle has a 'half cock' safety (like the SMLE) - hold the trigger down as you slowly close the bolt, feel the trigger slip past the full cock notch then release the trigger and the sear falls into the deep notch, the bolt can be closed on a round but not fired until the striker is pulled back to full cock. That is why so many bolt action rifles had large knobs or flanges on the striker (pre-1914 SMLE, 03 Springfield, Moisin-Nagant for example).
Would love to have one.
TIL something older than the Mosin can exist
1 arshin = 71.12 cm.
For the rest of the world.
I mean for 194 / 197 countries
thank you
72.2cm
Maxime Heylighen
Which countries used it besides the Russian empire?
No one now. In the past Ukraine and Belarus (as a parts of Russian imperia). Actually we do not use this metric system at least hundred years.
@@kurtvanduran7725 It is equivalent to pace which has been used also in the US. The US pace is 30 inches, an arshin 28 inches.
My favourite rifle
"If you want your gun to be on safe, just take the cartridge out" I love when gun designers try to explain away issues with their design by suggesting you just don't know what you really want in a gun.
YOOOO my dad gave me this rifle, i knew it was an old russian one shot, and i finally got to know the name of the gun
Винтовка Мосина это модернизированная винтовка Бердана 2. Сами смотрите как похожи формы затвора Бердана 2 и топорного мосинской винтовки)))
Just curious. Do you have this knowledge of all these guns just in your brain or is it something you brush up on before you make a video on a particular gun? Impressive nonetheless.
At this time Russia was copying American designs en masse. The Gorlov was in reality the Gattling. Schofield was screwed over the deal on his revolver, the Maxim gun was also adopted and used well into WW2. Even the TT33 pistol betrayed American 1911 design.
Watching this: oh, that’s a nice early design
Watching C&Rsenal fire it with the rim visible: eep
4:54 what made the martini-henrys markedly superior to the berdan?
From what I can find, the comparison is based on a statement in the memoirs of a single English commander serving in the Turkish army at the time of the Turkish-Russo War, who never actually explained specifically why the Martini-Henry was superior to the Berdan. My guess is he was biased as an Englishman. If anything, the Berdan was slightly superior to the Martini-Henry in terms of muzzle velocity and long-range accuracy.
See... five years earlier.
LOVE THE VIDEO! I JUST FOUND ONE OF THESE AND TOOK A GAMBLE!
Ah yes the pen cap: every rifleman’s best tool.
Was that an izhevsk arrow I saw on one of the barrel bands?
+jeff4952 Probably (I don't recall exactly).
Ian - I would like to ask if your voice is ok. There is a crackle to it lately that makes it sound as though you've recently gotten over a bad cold - but it has lasted for a while. Have you been doing a lot of lecturing or something?
+Heather Spoonheim I appreciate the concern, but I am fine. I film the auction house videos over the course of a couple days, so when I have a cold or a cut on a finger it looks like it lasts for a long time simply because the videos publish over a much longer period than it took to film them.
+Forgotten Weapons Ah, that makes sense. Take care of yourself (and your thumb)!
What a great lot, if it goes for that price. Wish business were a little more solid right now.
I so want this one!
Interesting bolt action design
awesome
Wouldn't having the bolt lock at 45 degrees obscure the sight picture?
what's the point of the volley sight though
+Michael King to be fired in masses, what produces a bullet rain
but i didn't think you aimed in a volley or that you just aimed normally
its more like a cross between mortar an maschinegun. pretty effectiv when fired against formations back in the day
Keep it up
Don't your hands get kinda sticky when you disassemble it like that?
You seem to imply the tula and ishevsk (sp?) plants started up 1871/78 and that the Berdan was its first product. Is that correct?
No, Tula plant was founded by Peter I in early 18th century and Izhevsk plant dates back to early 19th century. It's true though that both plants were restructured and upgraded for Berdan rifles production, and the legacy continues to this day.
@@_Thunderball_ thanks
those rifles actually where adapted for cossack use
So these are the rifles my Russian friends are so affectionate of. Interesting to see how much the Mosin-Nagant borrowed from this.
A great vid!!! Any of this berdans 2 was rechamber to 7.62x54r? just for curiosity.
+juan manuel marchioli That was mentioned in the video (5:34) - yes, about 200 000 of them were converted.
It almost looks like a single shot mosin prototype.
Why have a separate volley fire sight when you already have a ladder sight?
+Ironstorm Rifle volley sights typical go out a lot farther than the regular sight - to 2500m or more. This requires mounting the front sight low on the gun and the rear sight high, in order to get enough upward angle on the barrel. It you were to build that into the regular rear sight it would be really outlandishly tall.
Thank you for showing us this interesting gun.
Are ther Berdans with musket type trigger, I mean not curved?
There was also a Berdan carbine.
He did talk about it.
Berdan, Garbage officer just effing terrible, brilliant inventor and shooter. Man was an absolute paradox.
In depth Lebel please!
Is there any chance we'll ever see some weapons used by the Turks in the Russo-Turkish War?
Great video as always, Cheers!
+suddenwall they used Henry rifles, for example )
BERDAN 1889 what does it cost ???
What are the volley sights for ?
What is the point of the volley sighting?
overtonejunkie for firing in volley?
There are many stories about berdan in the civil war, that aren’t very flattering. Alleging that he tended to lead from the rear.
so i know that the mosin has no direct lineage to this rifel like different makers and everything but i can see where the makers of the mosin took alot of their design from this rifel
I was going to say the same thing. I thought this was an early mosin prototype by the look of the video icon
is berdan aloso the man who has inveted the primer ?
+raoul pabon Yes, the primer was used in the cartridge of this rifle.
hmmmm. I like the stock. wish this was in bf1 or 5
epic history
I don't understand what he means by volley sight.
+kee1haul Going by the huge graduation, I assume it's a sighting system meant for large groups of soldiers firing in volleys over a great distance (like very jerry-rigged anti-personnel artillery).
ToastyMozart very antiquated!
@@ToastyMozart It occasionally saw use in colonial settings, where a large number of enemies might be sighted over a mile away, in close order and hence vulnerable, and since the rifles could reach that far, a company or more might use the volley sights and fire in unison at them. It might do some morale demage to natives to be hit even at that great distance.
Volley sights were never as useful as to offset the trouble involved in manufacturing them, and in WW1 they ceased to be manufactured. The shorter distances but greater sophistication (dispersed order, digging trenches) made volley sights useless.
hmm was it the Berdan or the SVT-40 Tokarev that came before the Mosin? I guess both technically! the SVT-40 was supposed to replace the Mosin, but Russia switched back to Mosin part way through the war.
P.S. I'd like to see an SVT-40 video!
+Jeff K. I have an SVT-38 video coming in two days. :)
+Forgotten Weapons Oh God please YES!
...Finally i've got the opportunity to see the *infamous* SVT-38
+Forgotten Weapons cant wait
+Forgotten Weapons YOU are kidding! that's awesome!
+Forgotten Weapons awesome! looking forward to it! I'm about to check out your old SVT-40 video too. thanks for all the videos!