Serbian 1899 Mauser - Like Boers in Europe
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Serbia in the 1890s was not a large or wealthy kingdom, and they had no domestic arms manufacturing capacity - but they did appreciate a good rifle and a good cartridge. The Serbian Army was armed with their M1880 rifle, which was a slightly improved Mauser 1871 single shot design, chambered a the Serbian-designed 10.15mm cartridge. By the mid 1890s this was seriously obsolete, and Serbia began to look for ways to replace it.
In 1898 they were able to secure a loan from the Austro-Hungarian Empire to purchase new rifles, and they chose the 1895 pattern Mauser, in 7x57mm. However, Mauser was at that time at full capacity making rifles for Turkey, and had to hand the Serbian order off to DWM. By the end of 1900 the full order of 90,000 rifles (plus a stockpile of ammunition) had been delivered, and most of the Serbian first Ban forces were back on technological par with the rest of the world. These Model 1899 rifles would be followed by the 1899/07 and the Model 1910, both of which were basically the same action in the same caliber.
In World War One, the Serbs with their Mausers would make a good first showing against (ironically) the Austro-Hungarians forces, but they did not have the stamina or resources to repel a second major offensive in 1915, when the Serbian Army was routed and forced to evacuate to the Greek island of Corfu. Most of their arms were lost in the process, and the Serbian Mausers would see no more organized use in the Great War (the army was re-equipped with French rifles instead).
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The successful production of four four-pound cannons and two short howitzers on October 27, 1853 is date of foundation of Zastava Arms in Kragujevac. Between 1856 and 1860, the facilities in Kragujevac received many upgrades to its manufacturing system, eventually allowing the plant to produce weapons with full parts interchangeability. In 1878, one of the main priorities became the modernization of armaments. Serbian rifle „Piboduša“ Model 1870 Peabody became obsolete with their large 14,9mm caliber.[3] After a research project and a competitive tender in 1879, a new model rifle was chosen as the replacement. The first domestic-made repeating rifle, a derivative of the Mauser Model 1871 bolt-action rifle, was designed in 1880 by Kosta Milovanović and was named Mauzer Milovanović M. 1880, known as "Mauser-Koka" or "Koka's Rifle", after its designer. The weapon was first manufactured in Germany and was called the Mauser-Milovanović M1878/80, cal. 10,15mm.[4
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Says Turkey, means Serbia
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Nah, everyone likes the Gun Jesus.
too true
This is how the third world war will start
It's okay he can use their own weapons against them ;D
gavrilo princip coming from the grave
Phenomenal review and very educated presenter. Greetings to Serbia. Serbians are very brave people and a tough breed. Long live Serbia.
Thank you friend. God bless you.
Long live Serbia
Lmao seethe
Thank you, brother. We are very brave when it comes to protecting the homeland, families, Church and the land. Our ancestors protected it and died for it, that's why we have such a large moral, ww1 shows it.
Thank you friend! May Jesus bless people like you!
I have a 1895 Chileno in 7mm Mauser that I bought surplus in 1977 that always impressed me in how well it shot. The ballistics for the 7X57 depending on the loading would give about a 3-4 inch drop at 300 yards. It had less terminal energy than the 30-06 but was a flatter shooting cartridge. The weight of the 1895 model when combined with the 7X57 made for a very pleasant shooting rifle.
My response to Vettekid
My other response to an online video titled, "Elk Castle Shooting Sports: Winchester 7x57
Mauser".
This posted four years ago in 2015 in regards to Winchester's new Model
70 bolt action sporting rifle in this caliber. Too bad Ruger's bolt action American rifle isn't
chambered in 7mm Mauser (7x57). Both Ruger's M-77 and M-77 Mark II bolt action sporting rifles were
formerly chambered in 7mm Mauser. Also, the Interarms Mark X, the Parker Hale built in
Birmingham, England, and also the Swedish Husqvarna. Read on.
The 7mm Mauser (7x57) was developed originally in 1892 as a military caliber,
primarily for Spain, Mexico, Central America, and half of South American governments.
Their Armies (soldiers) utilized it extensively. In addition to being
chambered in Mauser
bolt action rifles, the 7mm Mauser was even chambered in machine guns. In fact, in 1913
during the Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) a version of the Japanese Arisaka bolt action
rifle was produced for the Government of Mexico. This caliber also saw extensive use
during the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) by both Fascist and Republican factions. No doubt
the 7mm Mauser even saw some, but limited use, during both World War 1 (1914-1918)
and World War II (1939-1945). Not to mention the Spanish American War (1898),
and South Africa's Boer War (1899-1902). So much for the military history on
the 7mm Mauser.
Sporting use: The 7mm Mauser (7x57),along with the .30-06 Springfield and .375
Holland and Holland Magnum historically, is a world caliber. Africa, India, Europe,
North America, and elsewhere it's seen over a century of use hunting big game of
the world. Even today (2015) the 7mm Mauser would be an ideal classic dual
purpose* "deer/elk" caliber for the average North American hunter who wishes to
fill the family freezer with fresh venison and elk meat. A quality bolt action sporter
such as this gorgeous Winchester Model 70 chambered in 7mm Mauser, topped
with a good 4x scope, and carry sling would give an entire lifetime of service
to it's owner. This is one caliber that deserves to be far more popular than it is.
It's also highly useful to both sexes, including youth who desire a rifle with lethal
killing power on big game, yet has noticeably less recoil than a .30-06 and .270.
---James A. "Jim" Farmer
Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County)
*The 7mm Mauser (7x57) would likewise be highly effective against both caribou
and moose in Canada and Alaska. The late Jack O'Conner (1902-1978): Arms and
Ammunition editor of Outdoor Life Magazine and prolific American gun scribe, expert,
and writer had a chapter on the 7mm Mauser in his 1970 book: "The Hunting Rifle."
Chapter was titled, "Big Punch In A Little Case."
All rifle calibers are considerably improved ballistically over what they were generations
back due to modern bullets, powders, and primers. This likewise includes the old
classic calibers from the past: .300 Savage, .30-40 Krag, .303 British, .35 Remington,
7.62 (.30 caliber)/ 7.62mm x 54R Russian (Mosin-Nagant) etc. Also, why do we have
today five times more rifle calibers than we need? Many over-lap each other ballistically.
Example: The .270 Winchester vs. the .280 Remington. Why can't things be kept simple,
basic, and practical? Sometimes less is more as this greatly simplifies ammo and caliber
logistics. "Keep It Simple Stupid" remains a sound sane moral principle badly needed today!
Soldiers actually cried when they where ordered to swap these rifles for the French ones.
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@@moviesinclusive yes i completely agree with him
Бог је Србин
Ljubo Mauzer
Panteri
Bilo je junaka. Bilo i bice...
@@AKK5I Sunce slobode sada nam sviće
@SerbAviator al jedan je mauzer
It would be really nice if whoever wins the bidding for this gun immediately packs it up and ships it off to C&Rsenal, this is probably an important stepping stone in order to talk about the Serbian pattern 1910 Mauser.
Hear "God is a serb" in the distance.
hahaah Bravo sir xD
♪Zagreb is far away, Sarajevo even further, so the Serbs greet you by shelling.♪
Wait, totally wrong war.
Tupac is here in Serbia
Shitposter in New Zealand tried to ruin the song by association - but Serbia too stronk.
@cody sonnet please stop poluting the net with your idiocy.
Добар је Ијен, пратим га дуго, у праву је када помиње историјске контексте, не само у вези Србије него и других земаља , поздрав из Србије
That moment when you are Austro Hungary, you loan Serbian to buy weapons, and with those weapons they will kick you ass at the Battle of Cer And other battles 😂
Serbia strong meme intensifies
🎶 Bilo je junaka, bilo i viće
I only scrolled down to the comments for the Serbia Strong jokes. Little did I realize I would look no further than the first one! :D
Arnant Phongsatha I on će nas čuvati!
Samo Slago Srbina Spazava!
Rock Island Auction Company je Srbija!
Greetings to the Gun Jesus from Serbia! :)
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@@Mnj.1 ma kakvi partizan
hi Ian, been watching your videos for about 2 years now. I think you have managed to create the perfect formula for the type of content that you create. I am very happy this channel exist and i hope you manage to keep on going even though youtube has insane and somewhat fascist rules and ways of handling things. cheers!
Axel another one who doesnt understand where fascism is in the political spectrum...
Chinese Sparrows actually sounds like you don't know what fascism is because what youtube is doing in terms of gun channels is very much what fascism does the suppress and control things they are opposed to
This is nothing like that at all ultraboi222 this is more like a park kicking you out because you're protest of lecture is opposite to theirs imagine if say Yellow Stone kicked you out because you brought up conservationists Or a free speech zone kicked you out for using free speech to defend free speech
I would be a sad Serb if I survived through 1915 in part because I had one of the best rifles in the world then had it replaced with a Lebel or Berthier.
They felt also miserable after their standard green uniform was replaced with French blue, but they did not had choice.
I think they were given only Berthies. It was also a nice rifle except for the small 3 bullet mag. On the plus side, a few thousand soldiers (one of my great great grandfathers among them) were given the Chauchat light machine guns (almost proto assault rifles).
As for the uniforms - some got blue French uniforms but some got British khaki uniforms. All with French-style Adrian helmets with Serbian coat of arms.
Logistics necessity.
I love these old guns. I can smell the cosmoline.
I sleep better now knowing how much safer the world is since Ian can no longer link directly to the auction listings. Thank you RUclips for watching out for us...
rdgipson It sucks seeng Ian having to tiptoe around youtube's policies. RUclips seems to constantly be getting worse.
As half greek-serbian of course i loved ths video its very nice to see the armory of smaller countries i would also like to know if you can get your hands in greek army weaponery back then the greek army used mannlicher rifles 1903/4 i think it would be great a video like this one i dont know if you have already made one!!Thanks for your effort and work keep it up
I think its important to note that what also brought down Serbs was a spread of Typhus,that killed a 1/3 of its soldiers,and of course our Bulgarian friends pulled their national signature move,the backstab!
@Timothy Dexter War against Serbia was postponed from 1912 to 1014 because Austrian army was not ready for it. There are hundreds of documents planing the war. As far as the Europe goes, the Austrian knew very well that they will have to fight other countries. The leaders of Austria, France, Russia, Germany were second cousins addressing each others on first name basis. It was a grand plan of attacking a sovereign that have treaties with other nation i.e Russia and France. Just like Hitler did at start of WWII by attacking Holland.
This video has a most elite runtime.
Marlo Gonzales beat me too it!
leeG maybe? i don't get it
@@danielwhitmee8256 the time "13:37" looks a lot like "leet" (shortened and grammatically broken form of elite in gamer speak) if you convert the number shapes to letter shapes. It is kind of in the same vein as spelling things on a calculator.
ex: type 07734 on a desk calculator and turn it upside down. You may find that it looks like the word "hello" depending on how the numbers are presented.
Anyway, hope this helps.
all your bases belong to me
A beautiful example of modern history. Thanks Ian!
Me, every time: "I won't watch the whole video I'll get on with other things before then"
Me, every time, at the videos end: "Well that was quite a great watch"
I love all your videos gives me something to watch at work
BTW the most impressive and hardy countries I have ever known in history are the pols, serbs, and the brits; good lord they held out for a looooooooooong time. That's real gusto.
Also a derivative of the Spanish 1893 that trumped the Americans in Cuba in 1898. The original 1893 also had the same problems with that rear sight. The Spaniards hold their rifles French-style and the rear sights tend to stick to their uniforms and eventually wear out. During the Philippine Insurrection in 1899, the Americans reported that Filipinos had their rear sights of their captured Spanish 1893s removed because it interfered with their sight picture. That would have been a dumb idea but most of the 1893s they captured from the Spanish already had broken rear sights and they chose to remove them because theyre no longer usable, only creating further problems in accuracy. But they did not do this on their older Remington Rollingblock rifles.
.Between this episode, and The Great War, I am now wondering what the Serbian WWI service pistol was.. :) ?
They used short barrel revolvers of diferent tipes. I know that beacuse I'm Serbian :D
Service pistol was a nearest stone you can throw at the Austrian
Mostly Gasser M1870/74 and Nagant M1891 but also had some Mauser C96. Serbian officers before ww1 bought their own sidearm. After 1916 they were armed with Saint-Etiene revolvers and Ruby 1914 pistols
Probably whatever they could get their hands on.
Weird watching this being half Afrikaans, half Serb
Interesting story behind this one and a nice way to work within RUclips’s insane link rules.
Is it a funny bit of irony that it was Austria-Hungary that ultimately gave Serbia the loan for military arms?
Tursi they had this whole 100 year plan to integrate serbia and the other balkin states into the austro-hungarian empire that did not work one bit
Like how the Taliban got m16s, humvees and stingers...
Chinese Sparrows or ak47s, rpg-1 and BTR-152s
Chinese Sparrows and that tour around DC for their leaders, just about two years before 9/11
Well at the time of the loan Serbia and Austria-Hungary had very decent relations. It wasn't until 1908 and the Austrian annexation of Bosnia that the tensions started
I hope you cover the Serbian 1899c in the future.
I own one myself and I can't find alot of details on it.
Yay! I’ve been waiting on one of these to pop up since I stumbled across my Chilean Mauser a couple months ago. Wish it was every remotely numbers matching, but oh well.
Wish I saw a review of a model 1924 Mauser type carbine.
About that all french arms, serbian soldiers were complainig hell of a lot, some even kept their old rifles and just carried french one because they were requred to have it.
Mozda ne znamo napraviti kompjuter ali za oruzje smo od davnina u svjetskom vrhu!
Uvek smo na vrhu
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I find it interesting how these early modern firearms still look like 18th century muskets.
Thanks Ian!
Thank you for this wonderful review :)
can't find any for sale in the Jungmann cartridge...
(The specs sure as hell look like the Jungmann Cartridge)
Wow what a story!
Damn, i love this channel
I train martial arts with a serb and, according to his family's past, its pretty likely they would've used this rifle. So STRONK!
Mauser is household appliance name in Serbia
sorry Scott, very sad situation
Really enjoy the content of your channel. Is there any way to add the locations and production processes used in the manufacture of the items you review?
Good stuff. It looks like the rear sight is missing a small block that anchors its forward end when it's flipped down. You can see the hole for it in the video. It's interesting that the sight had the reputation for being fragile. My 1895 Chilean has a similar sight but with a spring-loaded tab on both ends of the slider. Fun fact: the notches in that slider are not directly opposite each other, so one tab or the other is always "out of battery."
It's interesting that the Yugoslavs went back to the Mauser after WW I. I wonder if that was due to the French not wanting to supply arms post-war, or to the Serb experience with these Mausers, or perhaps a bit of both.
PS: to give the Serbs their due (and as another poster has noted), their collapse in 1915 was due as much to the Bulgarians entering the war on the side of the Central Powers that it was to any Austo-Hungarian military successes. Given that the Serbs had open supply lines to the French and British through the Adriatic, it's possible that they could have held off the Austro-Hungarians indefinitely if Franz Josef hadn't gotten some help.
"Pretty good relationhip"? Serbia's arms procurer, Milanovitch, was married to Paul Mauser's sister!
Are you going to do a video on the PTRS-41 ?
Nice video length
3:30 Wow, I'm from Austria and studied history with focus on Alpine WW1, but the info, that A-H loaned Serbia the money to arm themselves is completely new to me... TY, Ian!
It ofc fits perfectly into the dove-falcon dilemma of the late monarchy.
Prior to the coup in 1903, the Austro-Hungarians dominated Serbian politics through the House of Obrenović’s, so it’s unsurprising that the Austro-Hungarians would loan what they probably viewed as a Slavic buffer to their south
Then you know about great serbian General Borojević in Austrian army
Ian by 1900 Ludwig Lowe/DWM owned Mauser and unfortunately Paul Mauser was a paid employee of his own company. This was due to some back door dealing between the Veirensbank of Stuttgart and Ludwig Lowe who when Mauser received the 1887 Turkish contract they need to expand to meet the Turkish order. Lowe convinced the bank not to loan Mauser the money so Lowe offered to loan Mauser the money so long as they maintained controlling stock.
This made Paul Mauser very bitter but it was a way to keep the Mauser company a float. When the name of Ludwig Lowe and Co changed completely to DWM was around the beginning of WWI. By then DWM owned Mauser, FN and the old Lowe facilities in Berlin, several munitions factories.
P.S. I know this is an old video and you probably learned all this thru the extensive research you do now. I love your videos which are 99% factual. You miss a few points every once in a while seldom. Keep up the good work.
finaly serbian guns
Actually it's german
He actually made a similar video recently, featuring an entire book about Serbian Arms. Great stuff :D
Soundwave 47 why do you have to be such an ass
It is even mentioned in the video. Obviously. I mean its called "Mauser", but by this logic every AK-47 is Russian?
Correction: The AK-47 is Russian hahaha, I wanted to say every AK-like weapon.
Ljubgo Mauzer is proud
Did it again, Another great video.
Hah. Ian used the word egregious describing the example of the sight. So I looked up the definition in my 1905 dictionary.
Distinguished, in a bad sense.[egregius, chosen out of the flock. grex, gregius, a flock.]
Cf. Gregarious.
A perfect use for the word,but a stand of arms is a good plural. A flock of sights ? I guess the chickens came home to roost on that particular piece of ironmongery.
Do not get your feathers ruffled that I had to look up the actual definition of a word I have seen many times. At least I did not suggest I learned this by way of a hen party.
One particular collective plural I am enamoured of is a murder of crows. Somehow appropriate, that. Cheers. Well done Ian.
One thing I hate about Mausers is the minimum sight setting is always 2-300 meters. Makes it so I can't shoot them for shit at 50 or 100 yards unless I aim like 2 ft. below the target. Only ones I know of that have a 100 meter setting is the Kar98k.
Do a review of a Mauser-Koka serbian rifle more famous as “Kokinka” model m80
Also, wasn't the M1899 chamber different from any other Mauser action of that time?
Yes, they introduced the enhanced chamber with an extra "ring of steel".
Hey Ian have you heard of the 8.15x46mm? Very little info about it and I have an old rifle in that caliber.
03:20 I believe 2nd call of the army were called "uncles" due to older age 😅
Anglo-Boer war: 2000 boers dead, 50 000 English dead.
Don't anger a South African Farmer.
Timothy Dexter They spoke Afrikaans, not Dutch... They were Afrikaans, from Dutch origin.
You're welcome to come over to South Africa and tell anyone you meet on the street that. Also not all the Boers were of Dutch origin. There were Afrikaneers who spoke a daughter language of Dutch but included small contributions of several other European origins. These people were African in the same way you are American, Timothy Dexter.
Dutch*
As Mark would say that rifle is in need of some deferred maintenance.
From developing advanced cartridges in 1880's to adopting 7,62×54R in 1980's, oh how the mighty have fallen!
We’re actually back to developing unique stuff lol. Just recently Zastava built a assault rifle chambered in 6.5x39mm. Not exactly brand new, but definitely different!
@@sasamihajlov2862 I've heard about these, yes, the armour-piercing ammunition certainly looks like something nobody tried with this cartridge. It's good to hear that Serbs are once again venturing forth instead of just adopting others' outdated solutions.
@@F1ghteR41 we have focused mostly on UAVs and Artillery in the past decades but have recently started small arms as well. I’d say this is a huge renaissance for our arms industry. My favorite serbian military product is definitely the MGS-25 Alexander howitzer!
Anyone else keep trying to blow away that hair on the side of the gun ?
I kept waiting for him to pick that hair out of the gun, because it was bothering me for some reason.
Cool old gun for sure.
The serbs were so badass in ww1. They decimated the Austro-Hungarian army TWICE!! Even when they faced Austria-Hungary and Germany from the front, it took a Bulgarian attack from the rear to finally force them to retreat.
Serbia creamed Austria Hungary in battle until Austria whined to Bulgaria and Germany.
You have some anger issues, did Serbs give your grandmother a bad touch?
Soundwave 47 Not really. Austria Hungary constantly and consistently failed in battle in the first world war. They got creamed by the Russians in the Carpathians, got shat on in Cer And Kolubara by Serbia and (when Cadorna wasn't fucking around) got creamed by the Italians. The entire Austrian army was a logistical nightmare and very few of the the Hungarian or Slavic soldiers spoke German. Austria Hungary in WW1 is a model of what NOT to do in war.
Fact is that Austro-Hungarian army was really shitty throughout entire WW1.
They couldn't even defeat Serbia without serious German and Bulgarian help.
Actually they were incapable of doing anything without Germany.
Always nice to see tribalism about something that happened a hundred years ago.
Thank Conrad for that
Almost looks like it has some kind of laminated Steel barrel
This seems to follow along with the episodes that Gun Moses has just show recently..lol
Hey Ian, why was it that it seems only very few countries in Europe saw how great the 7x57 was and is? The Latin American countries figures it out.
But why are all these European countries during this time making big bore .30+ or 6.5 and taking a ton of time developing them when they can just go, “hey this calibers great, we’ll take it.”
Brendon Burns cause it didnt work
Daniel Vedberg Sekulic what didn’t work? The 7x57?
Brendon Burns bpth the french and German had used bpth higher then 7mm prior and smaller during the war the french tried making a sinilair cartridge but it proved subpar to the 8mm and later 6.5mm label in use aswell as german 7,92mm mauser it wasent enough in the eyes of the superpowers. The yanks and Brits did experiment with similairly nut found their .30-06 and .303 respectively to be more then enough. The 7.57 was also not a round that the doctrine at the time in europe found useful, most rifles where built around providing long range accurate fire and the bullet thusly was made to suit this. The French whould end up adopting the 7.7mm as an intermidiate beetween there two but that only happend after ww1.
Testing at the time really showed the ineffectiveness of the 7.57 if compared to existing munitions. It lacked the power wanted. And only the cavalry had carbines. Most european nations strategically thought war whould be an affair of moving lines of riflemen or trench warfare. The invention of the machinegun and more then apperant issues with long rifles in trenches whould change the mind of most european states however the calibres used whouldnt change due to both logistical issues aswell as the fact that they found anything smaller then the 6.5mm inpractical as an rifle round.
Daniel Vedberg Sekulic now I’m a little confused. The French never used a 7.7? And neither the French or Germans made and 6.5. And the merits of the 7x57 on the battlefield have been proven time and again. The Spanish used it extensively, most famously against us Americans at kettle hill. And the boars shredded the Brits in SA using there 7x57 mausers. Again i don’t get it. The Americans and British both got smashed by the 7x57 and looked and said “must be the rifle” instead of going “must be the caliber”
Brendon Burns the french used a 7.7 during world war 1* as mentioned but experimented with the calibre during the time of ww2, germans never used 6.5 i made it clear that it was onöy the french who used such an calibre in the war. Germans used the 7.92 or 8mm during the war. That being said the carbine was the rifle of the cavalry not infantry. The riflemen where issued longrifles or compact long rifles. Because again tactics at the time dictated such there was no real massive natural barriers like jungles in Europe so shortrifles was never really considered before the war broke out. The merits of the short rifle did evolve during the war due to the nature of Trench qarfare however save the french most nations had one calibre and it was enough to use. The French had logistical nightmare supplying all manners of munitions during the war. They found the calibre to be to small to get the job done.
Thank you for speaking about about my country.
12:20 Not the second, but the fourth. And not only Austro-Hungarian attack, but also German and backstabbers Bulgarians. We are militarily strong enough. Before WW1 we were as much as Italians, now, there is only some 7-8 mil of Serbs here. Damn wars...
Love my Serbs
*Hey , we need 130 thousand rifle for our soldiers.*
*Oh wait... we don't have money.*
Btw , finally Serbian *guns* after a million Serbian books. Thanks Librarian Jesus.
These videos are frickin’ amazing; Ian should be the highest paid teacher ever.
Mauzer
Wait wait wait wait, Austro-hungary gave Serbia a loan for 90,000 mauser rifle? In 1899.... Less than 20 years before well, you know. *historical irony intensifies*
Anyone know how much a Serbian 1899 rifle or 1908 carbine go for ? been looking for either one for a little while and nothing. they must be pretty rare
I love how they took a loan from the Austrians hahah
Hahahah da
Ian, my apologies for being a grammar nazi but it is incorrect to say Serbians. It's Serbs.
Serbia did that again, bought SCAR from Belgium :)
Im no half boer serbo-croatian Silly Ian!
Need to do the Serbian 1899c variant
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Can we get your opinion on the Belgian 1889 mausers
I wouldn't be surprised if that rifle was used right through the Second World War as well as World War Two.
Do you mean the First World War and World War Two?
Actually yes, I'm rereading my statement and I see the mistake. I should have said World War One and World War Two. Considering the desperate circumstances both wars placed on the country it wasn't unlikely these guns ended up being used in both wars.
schizoidboy Ah I understand, happens to everyone
Chetniks used it in ww2 to fight germans communist and ustaše.
Serbia withstood second attack but didn't withstand third one where Bulgarians attacked from behind and germans jojned Austrians. Both first and second Victory in ww1 by allies was done by Serbia.
СРБИЈА БРАТЕ!
Does it have the gas deflector?
We were making gunse before some of our "friendly rival neighbors" didn't even exist
Theres no link to the RIA page. Interested so it would be appreciated
RUclips rules say no. Go to the link to ForgottenWeapons in the description, and there is a link there.
Drink a shot of vodka every time he says mauser
Totally out of subject question but my local auction company has a military sale and they have a Colt Navy 1861 by F. Pietta... I saw online that it was a reproduction of the original one but I'm still interested in it. How much is it approximately worth and how high can I go on this auction if I want it to be a "good deal" ?
Asking because I'm a newbie in the firearms collection and I thought this place could be the best one to ask haha.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer my question :)
Buck Berthod Thank a lot for your answer ! I was too thinking about paying no more than 350/400 on this one. From the pictures I saw it's in pretty good condition but I will only be able to see it the morning before the sale.... hoping it don't get too pricy hahaha
If I don't win on this sale I'll look up for used model from Uberti on the internet
Thank for your helpful answer
Considering you can buy a brand new one from Dixie gun works for about $325.00, I wouldn't bid over 250.
Buck Berthod I'll think about it.... like I said if it don't get too pricy I'll try and go for 300 maximum
Bob Rees Thinking about going for maximum $300
Given that Serbia is land locked & that c.1900 it's relationship with its neighbours is not that great, is there any information as to how the guns where transported from Berlin.Even with modern boarders would be at least 3 countries.
Paul O'Brien Austria-Hungary I guess... I mean, they're the ones that gave Serbia the loan and withholding the shipments and free trade is basically an act of war
Paul O'Brien They probably came through Austra-Hungary, after all Serbian-Austrian relations varied a lot.
Real tensions with Austria Hungary started to mount after dinasty change in 1903.
@@robrob9050nope before that austrohungary helped coup of may in secret,but you wont learn that in this conventional history
I hope you do a video on the Serbian 1899c because there is jack crap on info for that gun I hope you can find some and tell us
The Model 1899c is an arsenal reworked 1899 to Model 1924 specs. Rechambered for 8mm Mauser (7.92mm), with sights and barrel length to a Model 1924 so that overall it's much like the Model 1924 but with the royal Yugoslav crest over the chamber. The "c" in the Model 1899c stood for "Serbian" (Cyrillic case "c" is the Latin case "s") and gave identification to the pedigree of the rifle.
@@alexzujovich5826 thank you for this information
Most of these guns that survive are rifles from the Austrian order that were not delivered at the start of the first world war! The austro-hungraian army took them into service ironically to fight the Serbs!
Wtf I just got an ad for the daily wire.
lenght of the video : 13:37...nice
I am Serbian ad I know very good Mauser rifle models coz ex Yugoslavia made Mausers from WW2(used by German army In WW2)till 1956(we had Yugoslav model M-56 and I shoot from it In my highschool)But I always wanted to ask and find why not a single army(even US army)didnt used Winchester model of rifle but all of them used some kind of Mauser models(British Enfield also had "Mauser system"only magazine in Enfield can be load with 10 and standard Mauser magazine can be load with just 5 bullets but system is the same!Im asking this coz for me Wichester rifle is really most beautiful but also magazine in Winchester can have 15 bullets and that system of reloading and put new bullet in the barrel is faster from "Mauser"system!I know that Winchester didnt had log barrel and probably calibre was too small for army riffle but it wasn't too heavy to make true Wichester army rifle with bigger calibre,longer barrel and space for bayonet!So Im asking why Winchester didnt made rifle with that system as army rifle for US ad European armies who could match with Mauser,Enfield and others I WW1(but also WW2)?
Not durable enough for military use. Also a lot of lever actions, especially earlier designs, couldn't handle the high-pressure cartridges which militaries of the time wanted for rifles.
The Russians DID use a Winchester as a military rifle though. I think it was the model 1895 in calibre 7.62x54R, but I could be wrong.
Vojske su koristile Vinčesterke pa tako i vojska Kneževine Srbije koja je zarobila jedan broj polužara od turaka 1878. (ne sećam se tačno koji je model u pitanju - odavno sam čitao o tome u Kalibru).
Praise be Gun Jesus.
Mauser/Turkey+debts even if not monetary=history of interest.
I'm more of a Maths guy that loves rotation, cams, circles and catenary curves that also make ballistic curves. I just love curves.
S#it, I'm sorry o like firearm engineers and their history.
serb stronk AND smart. serb no need mag stop for 5 shot gun because serb can count
Ian took this rifle *blayt* to the future.