drill instructor: *You will treat your rifle with utmost respect! It will keep you alive!* also drill instructor: just launch it into the pavement, it looks cool
My Drill instructor,"Hit that fore end like you want to knock it off!" Me,"hmmmm", rigs fore end to come off when slapped. Drill Instructor, "What kind of smart ass are you Private? Drop and keep pushing until I get tired."
"Express sights: for rapid sight ranging changes for charging animals danger close." [He must have hunted a lot of cheetahs, to need express sights out to 500 yds!]
"[Charles Ross] retired in St. Petersburg, Florida where he was known for wondering around wearing pajama bottoms and a pith helmet and recklessly driving a Chrysler Imperial. He died in 1942 with the last words being to his nurse 'get the hell outta here'" -C&Rsenal
Thank you for the work you put into these beautiful Canadian rifles. It's so uncommon to see anyone pay attention to Canadian... Well... Anything; we're so often a Forgotten Country. I, like most Canadian kids, grew up hearing how terrible the Ross Rifle was and how it was responsible for so many Canadian WW1 deaths. What we DIDN'T learn was how loved it was by sharpshooters, how the worst malfunctions were due to poor field fuddling done by ignorant soldiers and how wonderful they really were to shoot by those who understood them. Thanks, Ian; your videos have restored a bit of honour to what's often a black mark on Canada's history.
As an Aussie who lived in Canada for a while, I for one will never forget you, I think we have a lot in common and have never felt more at home overseas.
One of the things [that I'm sure Ian will explain in the Mk3 vid] that worked against the Ross in field service during WW1 (as explained in _The Ross Rifle Story_ book Ian reviewed several months ago) as incorrect chamber-reaming in combination with out-of-spec wartime ammo production. Basically, Ross [being an avid sportsman & marksman] had all the rifles chambered tightly, for maximum accuracy potential. Combine that with rapid fire [barrel heats up, metal expands at different rates] and ammo that's at the large end of tolerance (or beyond) and the potential for jams should be obvious. Let's not forget mud and the Ross' infamous potential for incorrect reassembly leading to injury [mostly resolved by the time of the Mk3 as I understand its history, but nothing can ever be made foolproof, for as soon as one tries, a more accomplished fool is uncovered...] The Ross was adequate as a specialist's weapon, but it clearly did not display the best set of attributes as a general issue implement of battle.
To be fair, a lot of people went into WW1 thinking it was going to be a noble sporting event. It would have been hard to forsee that entire armies would be sitting in mudd puddles for 5 years straight.
Exactly, WW1 was started back when people still had the idea that wars were glorious battles where men fought each other over honor. What we got instead was a senseless bloodbath in the mud, waged over ridiculous senses of obligation and a desire to test out the fancy new weapon technology.
Ww1 British commanders what oh lets attack with those colonials, ie australians,new Zealand and Canadiens at what was it called....oh yes Gallipoli LEST WE FORGET
@@scottorgan2255 Far more british died than 'Colonials' at Gallipoli. Huge amount of those colonials were also originlly born in Britain (upto 80% in some Canadian regiments). Plenty of decent British commanders as well, particularly Allenby
@@scottorgan2255 Ironically, when the Royal Navy scouting force saw Gallipoli was virtually undefended, they could have sent a few squads of Marines ashore to hold it while they sent for some reinforcements from Egypt [two days sailing away.] A year later when GB *finally* mounted the official operation, the opportunity had been well & truly lost...
If galipoli was a succes it would have been called a british victory just like damascus anzacs always getting fucked over but happened abit less when monash started pushing hard
My grandfather had a Ross rifle and a Lee rifle. But sadly my grandmother house was robbed in the early 90s. But I did shoot them when I was about 11 or 12 and they we're awesome to shoot. As a Canadian always good to learn about Canadian history
That’s what they said about the model 70 Winchester.... “not tough enough for a sniper/marksman platform, why don’t we put a 2x scope on a Garand?” You’ll never convince me the pre 64 rifles weren’t tough enough for marksmanship roles.... I don’t have any time on a Ross so it’s. But they are intriguing
My great grand father fought in the 38th battalion out of OTTAWA in WW1 . They did not like Ross rifles they much preferd Lee Enfield I think due to mud . He fought in Vimy ridge and was stuck in the mud over night during that battle as that particular section was bogged down so they could not advance. I have a Ross rifle butt stock that has beautiful carvings on it that he carved during the war in the trenches (while things were quite obviously). I think that's probably the best thing they used the Ross for lol ,they were hated rifles I'm told . Now to watch the video ! Thank you for making this.🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
I was so surprised to see Hartford, Connecticut stamped on the receiver of a Canadian rifle. As someone who's lived in Connecticut my whole life, I can't tell you how many times I've seen vintage and antique firearms that were developed all over the world, and are attributed to so many different countries, yet have a large portion of their manufacture in Connecticut.
I live in Québec City, Canada, where the Ross Rifle Company made these rifles, on the Plains of Abraham. I regularly walk where the factory once stood! Nice rifle, strange history.
A story from the Canadian trenches of WWI that may or may not be true... A soldier was returning from no-man's land one night after being sent out by his sergeant to do a little reconnaissance. He came back and was found to be without his Ross rifle. "Where in hell is your god damned rifle, private?" thundered the red faced sergeant. - "I didn't take it, sergeant." "You went out without your rifle, you sunofabitchin' idjit?" - "Well sergeant, I figured I was safer without it."
My grade 9 history project keeps finding ways to haunt my ass. I looked up 1 video 5 years ago, and I'm still getting recommendations about the Ross Rifle to this day. RUclips can't recommend stuff i watch every day but it can sure as hell recommend something related to what I watched once five years ago.
You should consider looking into '' Alfred Tremblay '' who was used as an advertisement for the Ross during his Arctic Expeditions and then went to war , tried to modify the Ross and went on to build a lost machine gun ....
Canada- Hey Britain, you know those wars we keep fighting with you? We need some more guns to keep that up, I've got my cheque book here somewhere. Britain- No Canada-.......
Random Scottish lad: I can build my own factory pro bono and start building these rifles that I developed and it will employ Canadian labor if you will buy them! Canada: Sounds great! How soon can you start? Britain: Hey! You promised to use OUR rifles! Canada: Well sell me some then? Britain: .......... eh, no.
To be fair, the idea of Canada joining Britain in wars as a large expeditionary force was literally new in the Boer War. Before then, Canada's armed forces were specifically to defend Canada and only Canada. Great Britain had little reason to consider arming Canada a priority as it had a lot of serious problems with its own military to sort out. The Boer War had severely stressed British society and its weapons were all were proving disappointments despite years of expensive development. Canada coming along and demanding new weapons precisely when the British are panicked that they may have to literally scrap all their own rifles was not going to have a positive result for Canada.
In all fairness to Canada, though, I think the British deserve some shade for their failure to properly respect the Canadians for their enthusiastic services in the war as well. Faults on both sides for sure: Canada for expecting a little too much of the British at a bad time and the British for not doing more to find a reasonable compromise.
8:18 AM, exams are on the way ... quite a big breeze when your discord tells you that Gun Jesus released a video about the original Ross rifle. Remember, a surge of gun porn never hurts.
You need to get in touch with Rob at British Muzzleloaders, he has recently acquired a MkIII Ross and is producing his usual awesome videos about same.
My Grandfather and two Great-Uncles were members of the 100th Battalion of the Winnipeg Grenadiers and shipped overseas in 1915. All three would have been issued Ross MkIII rifles. Unfortunately, only my Grandfather survived the war with one brother being killed when acting as an observer in an RE8 aircraft and was shot down on April 13th, 1917 during 'Bloody April' and his other brother was grievously wounded during the battle of the Somme at Maquet Farm by shrapnel. He was invalided home only to succumb to Influenza just weeks before the end of the war. It was very important for me to have a Ross MkIII in my collection. I've looked for years for a Ross in excellent condition and passed on many in average condition until just recently when near mint British Home Guard MkIII came up for auction. That rifle now resides in a place of honor on my Man Cave wall.
What caliber is the sporting rifle? How much did Ross' ammo inspire/contribute to the development of the cartridge for the P-13? Great video per usual. Thank you
It's really odd that Ross went from two locking lugs on MkII to interupted screws on the MkIII. Not only that but also going from a double stack magazine to a single stack between the MkII and MkIII. It makes no sense!
He was obsessed with target shooting and his rifles reflected that. He was trying to achieve maximum straight line rigidity in the bolt assembly. The Mk III has much more locking surface area and is stronger and more stable under recoil. Early straight pulls and some bolt action designs had zeros that wander over time because the bolt or the bolt head takes a set. The more rigid you make the whole assembly the more predictably accurate it will be.
The magazine is simply a case of making a gun easier to produce and use/maintain. The change is locking style is beyond me, but both seem to function just fine
Are you going to do anything in regards to the Ross Mrk 2? I've recently picked up a sporterized one and I'm about to start to process of restoring it but I want more information on said rifle before I start.
First rule of restoring Rosses: don't, unless you are willing for it to cost more than purchasing an unshorn original. The missing parts were usually thrown out en masse and are not to be found for any reasonable price these days. Some inroads have been made to making reproduction parts, but it is a treacherous path.
@@RussianBlue4S I paid 140 bucks and everything on it was good besides the barrel and furniture so I'm looking at having a total investment of around 800ish (including what I paid) if my Canadian to American dollars is right.
Way back in the 1970's when I started buying old military rifles because they were really cheap then everyone said to not every fire one of the Ross surplus rifles because if not assembled correctly it might kill you so I never bought one even though I could of picked one up for $40 or so back then from a local gun shop that specialized in surplus & antique firearms.
Ian's got an older video up (June 16th, 2013) where he fires one of those improperly-assembled Ross MkIIIs (set on a holding frame, of course) and yeah, it fails pretty spectacularly. Would literally have put someone's eye out.
10:10 Canada: "Hey britain, can we buy some more guns from you?" Britian: "Erm, no." Canada: "'k, we have make our own then, eh?" Britain: "Objection!" me: "ok, that...no, I got nothing..."
The straight pulls are at great disadvantage compared to turn bolt designs but these straight pulls represent would have seen an obvious developmental path to gas or recoil operated semi automatic actions. If Ross had pursued a semi auto rifle his Ross MK I & II could have been a good place to begin.
I really would have liked to see you demonstrate the activation and workings of the magazine cutoff. It is somewhat different from other cutoff methods.
For some reason, I have never owned a straight-pull rifle. They seem to be a fantastic design. Can you please tell me what you believe their downside is?
*Not our (Canadian, if I may) 'first' per se, but I see what you did there, I clicked and commented... and how could I be mad at GunJesus? Love your work, thanks for highlighting so much regional history.
@@narcoleptic8982 Exactly. It was an "area denial" tactic that to my knowledge, was never actually utilized by corps of riflemen, yet saw extensive implementation with machine guns during WW1, hence the complicated mounts seen for the water-cooled "HMG"s of the period...
We were taught in history class these rifles were terrible and Canadian troops would drop them and pick up a Lee Enfield off of a fallen British ally at the first chance. Also the guy who sourced these rifles for Canada provided horses painted black too for lack of actual black horses
I always thought that the Canadians didn’t have the option of using an American rifle because of American laws forbidding the sale of weapons to any other country, including Canada.
I though the loose bolt issue extended to firing the rifle. I've heard stories of troops firing it and having the assembly fly out and hit them in the face.
He did a vid on that years ago. It was more a problem of the rifles being easy enough to assemble incorrectly such that it looked right, but would fire out of battery.
45k views, 3.3k Likes... and only 14 Dislikes. On RUclips. On a historical video about a Canadian military firearm. If that isn't absolute proof that Ian is in fact the one true Gun Jesus, I don't know what is. A fascinating video as always, Praise Him, Amen.
Man I wish they still made cases like that for modern guns. Would be amazing to buy an AR-15 and get it in a nice tweed case with my name embossed on it.
Not being trivial, but why do you use the colloquial term 'nose cap', instead of the more technical 'upper band'? This is serious question. A suggestion for a future video (as if you need one) would be various terms for the same item/part.
Actually, I think the reassembly issues only became an issue when they went to the interrupted-thread bolt design? Because the threads' engagement was shorter on one side than the other. The Mark 1 double-lugged bolt would have been immune, if I understand it correctly? Ian will surely reveal all in due course...
I know windage and elevation is an important factor but are you suppose to be firing a rifle or an artillery piece with that rear sights? I really like your Winter accommodations, Ian. They looks o formally cozy. Just need a polar bear in the background. Eh.
Cartouche is impressed or engraved [nor necessarily round,] while a roundelle is a round badge that is painted or otherwise attached to a surface? Just guessing here, I can't be arsed to go look it up...
Clearly visible at 13:18 there is what looks like at knurled nut in front on the rear sight on the bottom rifle. It's a change between the mark 1 and the mark 1 star. What is that all about? Great video, as a Canadian it's nice to see some Canadian content, even if it is about one of our more embarrassing screw ups.
Too bad the Canadian government forgot about the lessons of adopting a rifle originally designed for civilian use in its military when they adopted the C14.
Harry Secombe the entertainer use to tell the story if how early after Dunkirk he and others in his unit were issued Ross rifles on guard duty one night the Officer did an inspection Harry came smartly to attention slamming his rifle butt on the concrete at which point, according to him "it went bang" he claimed the bullet just missed his ear on its way through the guard post roof. He then claimed he was put on a charge for discharging his weapon without permission and destruction of military property to whit one guard post roof. Old wives tale or comedic overkill?
drill instructor: *You will treat your rifle with utmost respect! It will keep you alive!*
also drill instructor: just launch it into the pavement, it looks cool
My Drill instructor,"Hit that fore end like you want to knock it off!" Me,"hmmmm", rigs fore end to come off when slapped. Drill Instructor, "What kind of smart ass are you Private? Drop and keep pushing until I get tired."
That's what macho manliness does, its stupidly such a meme lol
"How many express sights do you want?" "Yes."
"Express sights: for rapid sight ranging changes for charging animals danger close." [He must have hunted a lot of cheetahs, to need express sights out to 500 yds!]
Not gonna lie, I thought they were a Picatinny rail for a second
@@CaptainGrief66 LOL
@@CaptainGrief66 BRUH
@@CaptainGrief66 Same, thought it was modified, or this guy was very forward thinking.
the more you described mr. ross my mental image of him turned more and more into groundskeeper willy
Only add a big potbelly; Willy is a bit wiry, whereas Ross ran to being stout. But yeah, same irascible nature...
"[Charles Ross] retired in St. Petersburg, Florida where he was known for wondering around wearing pajama bottoms and a pith helmet and recklessly driving a Chrysler Imperial. He died in 1942 with the last words being to his nurse 'get the hell outta here'" -C&Rsenal
herr Hauptman, I know who is in the trenches on the other side, It´s the Canadians. I can hear curse words in english and french.
And Scottish.
TABARNAK!
ESTI DE BOUETE A MARDE de sAINT CIBOIRE DE CALISS
Mainly cursing over their rifles
@@someguyfromquebec2302 I like to think that's what a lot of Québécois said verbatim in the trenches back in the day.
"No errors just happy litle accidents"...Bob Ross ...coincidence??
LUIS ANTOLA FRANCIS I think not
@@enigmaticl7 jjajaja Hi L L ! just kidding!!
Thank you for the work you put into these beautiful Canadian rifles.
It's so uncommon to see anyone pay attention to Canadian... Well... Anything; we're so often a Forgotten Country.
I, like most Canadian kids, grew up hearing how terrible the Ross Rifle was and how it was responsible for so many Canadian WW1 deaths. What we DIDN'T learn was how loved it was by sharpshooters, how the worst malfunctions were due to poor field fuddling done by ignorant soldiers and how wonderful they really were to shoot by those who understood them.
Thanks, Ian; your videos have restored a bit of honour to what's often a black mark on Canada's history.
As an Aussie who lived in Canada for a while, I for one will never forget you, I think we have a lot in common and have never felt more at home overseas.
@@Kipplauf It isn't misspelling. It is English (British) English and they have "u" in some words that isn't written in American English.
@@spac3fr0g smile. there is an invisible humour sign in that comment.
One of the things [that I'm sure Ian will explain in the Mk3 vid] that worked against the Ross in field service during WW1 (as explained in _The Ross Rifle Story_ book Ian reviewed several months ago) as incorrect chamber-reaming in combination with out-of-spec wartime ammo production. Basically, Ross [being an avid sportsman & marksman] had all the rifles chambered tightly, for maximum accuracy potential. Combine that with rapid fire [barrel heats up, metal expands at different rates] and ammo that's at the large end of tolerance (or beyond) and the potential for jams should be obvious. Let's not forget mud and the Ross' infamous potential for incorrect reassembly leading to injury [mostly resolved by the time of the Mk3 as I understand its history, but nothing can ever be made foolproof, for as soon as one tries, a more accomplished fool is uncovered...] The Ross was adequate as a specialist's weapon, but it clearly did not display the best set of attributes as a general issue implement of battle.
@@spac3fr0g Being sarcastic bro, making fun of the U in British English that they throw in Honour and Colour and a few others..
To be fair, a lot of people went into WW1 thinking it was going to be a noble sporting event. It would have been hard to forsee that entire armies would be sitting in mudd puddles for 5 years straight.
Exactly, WW1 was started back when people still had the idea that wars were glorious battles where men fought each other over honor. What we got instead was a senseless bloodbath in the mud, waged over ridiculous senses of obligation and a desire to test out the fancy new weapon technology.
Ww1 British commanders what oh lets attack with those colonials, ie australians,new Zealand and Canadiens at what was it called....oh yes Gallipoli LEST WE FORGET
@@scottorgan2255 Far more british died than 'Colonials' at Gallipoli. Huge amount of those colonials were also originlly born in Britain (upto 80% in some Canadian regiments). Plenty of decent British commanders as well, particularly Allenby
@@scottorgan2255 Ironically, when the Royal Navy scouting force saw Gallipoli was virtually undefended, they could have sent a few squads of Marines ashore to hold it while they sent for some reinforcements from Egypt [two days sailing away.] A year later when GB *finally* mounted the official operation, the opportunity had been well & truly lost...
If galipoli was a succes it would have been called a british victory just like damascus anzacs always getting fucked over but happened abit less when monash started pushing hard
To quote Othais about Ross himself, "He is a majestic, majestic creature in history."
I thought it was "lovable son of a bitch."
lol
My grandfather had a Ross rifle and a Lee rifle. But sadly my grandmother house was robbed in the early 90s. But I did shoot them when I was about 11 or 12 and they we're awesome to shoot. As a Canadian always good to learn about Canadian history
We have those thieves over here as well; the ATF.
A good rifle crippled by scandal and corruption and actually having to fight a war
It was a great target/hunting rifle...but should have never seen combat.
@@AtholAnderson back in the day a hunting rifle was better than the guns used in war
@@jonathanlunger2775 Mauser rifles: are we jokes to you?
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I humbly request the source for the touching of tips story.
That’s what they said about the model 70 Winchester.... “not tough enough for a sniper/marksman platform, why don’t we put a 2x scope on a Garand?” You’ll never convince me the pre 64 rifles weren’t tough enough for marksmanship roles.... I don’t have any time on a Ross so it’s. But they are intriguing
My great grand father fought in the 38th battalion out of OTTAWA in WW1 .
They did not like Ross rifles they much preferd Lee Enfield I think due to mud . He fought in Vimy ridge and was stuck in the mud over night during that battle as that particular section was bogged down so they could not advance.
I have a Ross rifle butt stock that has beautiful carvings on it that he carved during the war in the trenches (while things were quite obviously).
I think that's probably the best thing they used the Ross for lol ,they were hated rifles I'm told .
Now to watch the video !
Thank you for making this.🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Vimy*
Come on, dude; get it right.
@@JTViper Wups, I'll fix it
I was so surprised to see Hartford, Connecticut stamped on the receiver of a Canadian rifle. As someone who's lived in Connecticut my whole life, I can't tell you how many times I've seen vintage and antique firearms that were developed all over the world, and are attributed to so many different countries, yet have a large portion of their manufacture in Connecticut.
I live in Québec City, Canada, where the Ross Rifle Company made these rifles, on the Plains of Abraham. I regularly walk where the factory once stood! Nice rifle, strange history.
I just watched your old video on the Ross Mark 3 yesterday, talk about timing!
A story from the Canadian trenches of WWI that may or may not be true...
A soldier was returning from no-man's land one night after being sent out by his sergeant to do a little reconnaissance. He came back and was found to be without his Ross rifle.
"Where in hell is your god damned rifle, private?" thundered the red faced sergeant.
- "I didn't take it, sergeant."
"You went out without your rifle, you sunofabitchin' idjit?"
- "Well sergeant, I figured I was safer without it."
My grade 9 history project keeps finding ways to haunt my ass.
I looked up 1 video 5 years ago, and I'm still getting recommendations about the Ross Rifle to this day.
RUclips can't recommend stuff i watch every day but it can sure as hell recommend something related to what I watched once five years ago.
just clear your history lol
Very cool. I loved seeing that Kynoc .375 flanged(rimmed) ammo box. I didnt see of it was the steel jacketed bullets or not.
Very interesting stuff!
You should consider looking into '' Alfred Tremblay '' who was used as an advertisement for the Ross during his Arctic Expeditions and then went to war , tried to modify the Ross and went on to build a lost machine gun ....
I wonder if this is why we still have a domestic rifle factory to this day.
Awesome video, can’t wait for more!
Canada- Hey Britain, you know those wars we keep fighting with you? We need some more guns to keep that up, I've got my cheque book here somewhere.
Britain- No
Canada-.......
Yeah it was a bit dumb
Random Scottish lad: I can build my own factory pro bono and start building these rifles that I developed and it will employ Canadian labor if you will buy them!
Canada: Sounds great! How soon can you start?
Britain: Hey! You promised to use OUR rifles!
Canada: Well sell me some then?
Britain: .......... eh, no.
To be fair, the idea of Canada joining Britain in wars as a large expeditionary force was literally new in the Boer War. Before then, Canada's armed forces were specifically to defend Canada and only Canada. Great Britain had little reason to consider arming Canada a priority as it had a lot of serious problems with its own military to sort out. The Boer War had severely stressed British society and its weapons were all were proving disappointments despite years of expensive development. Canada coming along and demanding new weapons precisely when the British are panicked that they may have to literally scrap all their own rifles was not going to have a positive result for Canada.
@@genericpersonx333 that is a reasonable point
In all fairness to Canada, though, I think the British deserve some shade for their failure to properly respect the Canadians for their enthusiastic services in the war as well. Faults on both sides for sure: Canada for expecting a little too much of the British at a bad time and the British for not doing more to find a reasonable compromise.
Lovely examples. I can see that keeping the bolt near the rifle would be important in combat. Maybe even while on the range... Thanks again Ian!
These videos just NEVER get boring 👏🏿
8:18 AM, exams are on the way ... quite a big breeze when your discord tells you that Gun Jesus released a video about the original Ross rifle.
Remember, a surge of gun porn never hurts.
Always remember to give thanks to gun jesus, our lord and savoir.
@@Roguephilsopher Amen.
@@Roguephilsopher Amen, as always.
Thats the most beautifully finished service rifle I've ever seen
More Ross rifle vids plz . Can't wait to put them all in a playlist.
Thanks from Alberta Canada
You need to get in touch with Rob at British Muzzleloaders, he has recently acquired a MkIII Ross and is producing his usual awesome videos about same.
My Grandfather and two Great-Uncles were members of the 100th Battalion of the Winnipeg Grenadiers and shipped overseas in 1915. All three would have been issued Ross MkIII rifles. Unfortunately, only my Grandfather survived the war with one brother being killed when acting as an observer in an RE8 aircraft and was shot down on April 13th, 1917 during 'Bloody April' and his other brother was grievously wounded during the battle of the Somme at Maquet Farm by shrapnel. He was invalided home only to succumb to Influenza just weeks before the end of the war. It was very important for me to have a Ross MkIII in my collection. I've looked for years for a Ross in excellent condition and passed on many in average condition until just recently when near mint British Home Guard MkIII came up for auction. That rifle now resides in a place of honor on my Man Cave wall.
Just after I finish reading the quickstart guide for Ross Rifles (the WWI based tabletop RPG). Damn nice timing there :P
Ross sounds like a boss character
Jeez Ian, 1.38 million subscribers! Good for you friend.
Always nice to learn somethink new. Thank you.
Yay for more Ross videos!
Watching exactly a year later on October 28th 2020.
🍁🍁 Right on, Ian... I appreciate the background history on the Ross... 🍁🍁
What caliber is the sporting rifle? How much did Ross' ammo inspire/contribute to the development of the cartridge for the P-13? Great video per usual.
Thank you
Another good video with the bonus of a splendid staircase.
Creed: BOBODY, BO. BODY.
Ian: B O L T B O D Y
It's really odd that Ross went from two locking lugs on MkII to interupted screws on the MkIII. Not only that but also going from a double stack magazine to a single stack between the MkII and MkIII. It makes no sense!
He was obsessed with target shooting and his rifles reflected that. He was trying to achieve maximum straight line rigidity in the bolt assembly. The Mk III has much more locking surface area and is stronger and more stable under recoil. Early straight pulls and some bolt action designs had zeros that wander over time because the bolt or the bolt head takes a set. The more rigid you make the whole assembly the more predictably accurate it will be.
The magazine is simply a case of making a gun easier to produce and use/maintain. The change is locking style is beyond me, but both seem to function just fine
Are you going to do anything in regards to the Ross Mrk 2? I've recently picked up a sporterized one and I'm about to start to process of restoring it but I want more information on said rifle before I start.
Yes, I have videos coming on the MkII and MkIII.
First rule of restoring Rosses: don't, unless you are willing for it to cost more than purchasing an unshorn original. The missing parts were usually thrown out en masse and are not to be found for any reasonable price these days. Some inroads have been made to making reproduction parts, but it is a treacherous path.
@@RussianBlue4S I paid 140 bucks and everything on it was good besides the barrel and furniture so I'm looking at having a total investment of around 800ish (including what I paid) if my Canadian to American dollars is right.
Forgotten Weapons Thank you very much. I’m hoping to get a MK II in the RIA November auction, and would love more information on it
@@RussianBlue4S Sometimes its not about money, its about saving history
Way back in the 1970's when I started buying old military rifles because they were really cheap then everyone said to not every fire one of the Ross surplus rifles because if not assembled correctly it might kill you so I never bought one even though I could of picked one up for $40 or so back then from a local gun shop that specialized in surplus & antique firearms.
Ian's got an older video up (June 16th, 2013) where he fires one of those improperly-assembled Ross MkIIIs (set on a holding frame, of course) and yeah, it fails pretty spectacularly. Would literally have put someone's eye out.
Cool video thanks for the work you do
if you ever get the chance to look at one could you explain how the mechanism in the GSh-23 cannon works?
10:10
Canada: "Hey britain, can we buy some more guns from you?"
Britian: "Erm, no."
Canada: "'k, we have make our own then, eh?"
Britain: "Objection!"
me: "ok, that...no, I got nothing..."
"If you knew what we have in store for you, you'd know why we don't want you to have guns (yet)."
Of course you need to standardize with us, but we won't sell you any rifles.
they will sell Sniders and Martini-Henries. Those fit imperial standards.
It's a wonder they didn't just ask Canada to stand in a queue.
The straight pulls are at great disadvantage compared to turn bolt designs but these straight pulls represent would have seen an obvious developmental path to gas or recoil operated semi automatic actions.
If Ross had pursued a semi auto rifle his Ross MK I & II could have been a good place to begin.
that's the most rectangular goatee i've seen
I really would have liked to see you demonstrate the activation and workings of the magazine cutoff. It is somewhat different from other cutoff methods.
Ian's doppleganger has something to add at 5:19
at 1:26, if you look close, you can see a ghost coming out of the close. happy Halloween!
For some reason, I have never owned a straight-pull rifle. They seem to be a fantastic design. Can you please tell me what you believe their downside is?
*Not our (Canadian, if I may) 'first' per se, but I see what you did there, I clicked and commented... and how could I be mad at GunJesus? Love your work, thanks for highlighting so much regional history.
GunJesus is most accurate...
What is the round black circle near the end of the bolt? Plastic or bedding material for bedding purposes?
Ross had great-ish ideas, if only he had the dedication to see his projects through
That and to realize that 99% of the users are mere human beings who probably can't hit man size targets at 2,000 yards over iron sights.
@@grimlock1471 even with today's hypertech we can barely hit anything past 1.2km
@@grimlock1471 It's called volley fire for a reason.
@@narcoleptic8982 Exactly. It was an "area denial" tactic that to my knowledge, was never actually utilized by corps of riflemen, yet saw extensive implementation with machine guns during WW1, hence the complicated mounts seen for the water-cooled "HMG"s of the period...
We were taught in history class these rifles were terrible and Canadian troops would drop them and pick up a Lee Enfield off of a fallen British ally at the first chance. Also the guy who sourced these rifles for Canada provided horses painted black too for lack of actual black horses
Funny that this would come out with Halloween around the corner :^)
I always thought that the Canadians didn’t have the option of using an American rifle because of American laws forbidding the sale of weapons to any other country, including Canada.
No full disassembly?
Groovy background. Something different and not a sheet on a wall yet again.
Something about that rifle is particularly pretty
That's a really nice staircase.
I though the loose bolt issue extended to firing the rifle. I've heard stories of troops firing it and having the assembly fly out and hit them in the face.
He did a vid on that years ago. It was more a problem of the rifles being easy enough to assemble incorrectly such that it looked right, but would fire out of battery.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm interested in Canadian military history
And so are you
45k views, 3.3k Likes... and only 14 Dislikes. On RUclips.
On a historical video about a Canadian military firearm.
If that isn't absolute proof that Ian is in fact the one true Gun Jesus, I don't know what is.
A fascinating video as always, Praise Him, Amen.
Man I wish they still made cases like that for modern guns. Would be amazing to buy an AR-15 and get it in a nice tweed case with my name embossed on it.
So, physically imposing, strong, charming, and had a hell of a temper to him? So, basically, just like most of the Scots in my own family.
Only dislike is Sir Charles Ross
I have a Ross 1905-E MK-II in .35 Winchester
That sounds a bit like chambering a Garand in .223 Rem; way more gun that the cartridge demands. I guess the idea was ammo availability?
Cool are you going to have a shooting video on it?
Pretty rifle. Though I don't understand why Canada didn't just buy Springfields or setup an Lee-Enfield Factory instead.
Australia tried that, they have written books about it. Maybe Ian will do a video of the stuffup.
Not being trivial, but why do you use the colloquial term 'nose cap', instead of the more technical 'upper band'? This is serious question. A suggestion for a future video (as if you need one) would be various terms for the same item/part.
God damnit Ross.
Are these the "use-your-face-as-a-bolt-stop"-rifles?
Actually, I think the reassembly issues only became an issue when they went to the interrupted-thread bolt design? Because the threads' engagement was shorter on one side than the other. The Mark 1 double-lugged bolt would have been immune, if I understand it correctly? Ian will surely reveal all in due course...
I know windage and elevation is an important factor but are you suppose to be firing a rifle or an artillery piece with that rear sights?
I really like your Winter accommodations, Ian. They looks o formally cozy. Just need a polar bear in the background. Eh.
M& D is for "Militia and Defence" a pre-war military acceptance for the Dominion of Canada
I guess you could say Ross was... inSTEYRed. I'll show myself out.
Hey Ian, were any of those rifles chambered in .280 Ross? I'm very interested in that cartridge but, can't seem to find much information about it.
No. The .280 Ross cartridge was the hunting round made for the sporting rifle in 1906.
Sam Hughes
They may have problems, but they sure were pretty.
Sounds like Mr.Ross was the biggest Chad circa 1900
Very beautiful.rifle.
Lee, Lee, Lee, Lee , Ross - C-c-combo breaker!
Beautiful rife...but what does it have to do with Bergman?
The Ross rifle was so awful it wasn’t good enough to be used in WW1, yet the Canadians used it during WW2.
not overseas, what made the rifle awful was the auful 303 bullet of ww1
Does the ross shoot bullets with "sorry" etched on it?
What is the difference between a cartouche and a roundelle?
Cartouche is impressed or engraved [nor necessarily round,] while a roundelle is a round badge that is painted or otherwise attached to a surface? Just guessing here, I can't be arsed to go look it up...
Canadian military procurement in the period was really... something
Still is
what type of bayonet do these take? a standard british one or something canadian made?
Clearly visible at 13:18 there is what looks like at knurled nut in front on the rear sight on the bottom rifle. It's a change between the mark 1 and the mark 1 star. What is that all about?
Great video, as a Canadian it's nice to see some Canadian content, even if it is about one of our more embarrassing screw ups.
How does this rifle compare to the Ross rifle in the movie Joe Kidd with Clint Eastwood
Too bad the Canadian government forgot about the lessons of adopting a rifle originally designed for civilian use in its military when they adopted the C14.
Huh, Othais lost weight.
Not a bad rifle but not ready to be a service rifle.
The most Chad riffle known to man
Needs a lot of improvements.
Cuthbert, eh?
Harry Secombe the entertainer use to tell the story if how early after Dunkirk he and others in his unit were issued Ross rifles on guard duty one night the Officer did an inspection Harry came smartly to attention slamming his rifle butt on the concrete at which point, according to him "it went bang" he claimed the bullet just missed his ear on its way through the guard post roof. He then claimed he was put on a charge for discharging his weapon without permission and destruction of military property to whit one guard post roof. Old wives tale or comedic overkill?
Kebec is the way you should say it... not qwebec... not looking down on you ian its just for your personal info .. thank you for this from quebec
It’s calice un tabarnacle
At least be accurate
"Always remember your rifle was built by the lowest bidder"
Dropped yer bolt, ehhh.