Ian, whenever you think to yourself "gee I might be rambling about the backstory or nuances of this firearm a bit too much" don't ever stop, just keep going down that rabbit hole, its awesome when you do.
There's an ironic alternative understanding of the joke, mind you. There's a number of forum topics/photo comparisons on the internet between the RSC 1917 and the M1 Garand, pointing at the strange similarities of the two designs. Who knows what our Gun Jesus had in mind when praising Mr Garand's genius? ;) More seriously though, @Forgotten Weapons: that's a video I'm dreaming of, a comparison between the two guns (RSC 17/18 & Garand M1), and more importantly the explanation of the improvements. Keep it going, those are fascinating videos from a mechanical engineering point of view :)
This really is the best channel. I’m not that particularly into guns, but I love engineering and history. These explanations are clear, simple and sober but still fascinating. I wish every topic had such a wealth of videos produced to this standard.
The problem is that engineering and history don't get along very well, since the art of engineering often gets overlooked by historians because of the politics involved with it or any other reason (or basically any person without an extraordinary liking in engineering). Rather stick to just the engineering part and you will find some gems on youtube ;D.
I still believe Garand's genius was his ability to understand the logistics of production, he designed tooling and assembly/production procedures for the manufacture for his designs. without a doubt 'the man for the job' title at play.
When Ian talks about the research he does for videos I imagine him donning a robe and walking down to a cave under his house filled with bookshelves of ancient tomes and obscure manuals
He literally does this. There is a bunker with his favorite guns and books safely stored underground complete with comfortable chairs for him to sit in with his leisure robe.
There is a temple where he goes in a robe, that temple has a secret staircase that leads to a giant room where the Ancients sit: Thompson, Garand, Colt, Winchester, Smith, Wesson, Maxim, all sitting on tall thrones in a circle. Ian descends the secret staircase, when he is in front of the Ancients he bows, head down. "Why did you come here, Father McCollum?" They ask. "I am here to gain informations, to enhance my knowledge" Ian says to the Ancients. "The sacrifice", Maxim says, looking at Ian from the top of his high throne. Ian pulls out of his pouch a broken ancient Webley Bulldog Revolver, then proceeds to disassemble it and put all the parts in a bowl under every throne. The parts of the revolver start floating into the air, then shine of proper light, before being absorbed to the Ancients. "Our hunger has been satisfied. You can proceed to the path for knowledge, Father McCollum" Maxim says, a moment after the whole dungeon starts shaking, then the thrones unite, forming an arc under which a corridor opens, enlighted by torches. "I thank you for your kindness, Ancients" Ian says, before standing up and entering the Room of Knowledge, where in the middle stands a table with a candle and a chair. Ian pulls an ancient tome from the bookshelf, then sits and starts reading. After having his knowledge enlarged Ian puts the tome back where it was, removes the bullet from a cartridge, then lights the powder inside with a flint and steel, reciting ancient spells, after all this leaves, while the Ancients are choring. Ian leaves the temple and goes back home, recording a new video
First thing I noticed was the shape of the pistol grip and how comfortable it must be to hold. This thing has absolutely gorgeous lines. I bet it's a complete joy to shoot! Great vid as always Ian, keep it up!
Glad I scrolled down.... absolutely exact words I was set to type. Before Ian commented I thought, "That pistol grip and stock looks 300% better than the M1 Garand and super fine design!" The military chiefs who adopt must not listen to the shooters and think comfort and ergonomics are just whinny bullshit.
Hope it's not to cringe to suggest that the grip reminds me of my Kel-tec SU16C. Hey, don't knock it till you shove 8,000 rounds of steel cased Tula through it without a hitch. ( No,not all in one day)
You are the man Ian. People up here always say that I am weird for watching gun videos and then I show them your videos. They can't help valuing your engineering interest in how all these things work. Thank you for making guns more than just guns=)
There are two classes of gun channels; there's the pandering overblown and eye-catching sort and the calmer ones about gun history. I infinitely prefer the latter over the former and the former is mostly unappealing to me and very appealing to the sorts of people I don't particulaly like.
This was one of those mornings, you know how they go, yesterday it was 104 F and our air conditioner could hardly keep up. Bad sleeping in the hot old bedroom, kind of slow on the get up, sore all over from trying to get comfortable in bed as our bedroom has no AC. Then this video! WOW, I have read about this gun years ago back when I was studying to be a gunsmith, but to see it WOW, woke me right up, got my old heart a pumping again, gave me back a spring in my step, and put a smile on my face. What a wonderful old firearm, and the presentation was all that I have learned to expect from your wonderful videos. Thanks a MILLION for making my day!
Beautiful gun, especially the other-than-typical lines at the wrist and pistol grip. It looks like it would be so easy and comfortable to hold and fire.
I thought the grip was goofy until you wrapped your hand round it and saw the near perfect finger placement, pity you can't put a few clips through it without a heavily modified delorean.
Since this was a stripper clip firearm, the clips were only an aid to loading, so it would theoretically be possible to fire it with modern reloads. I have no idea what the burn rate of the original IMR powder would have been, but one could start with IMR 3031, which is designed for 30-06 cases and work to faster burning ones like IMR 4198 or IMR 4227 to see if the pressure allowed the rifle to function. Possibly reduced loads of SR 4759 ( a "sporting rifle" powder discontinued a few years ago) would produce a sufficiently high peak pressure to work the action. Probably no one would be willing to try it, however.
Just out of curiosity, would a magnum primer help? I have talked to people who have had to use mag primers in place of standard ones for their reloads and they compensate for the hotter primer by backing off on the powder a bit.
Easily the best "Back to the Future" reference in the comment section of a RUclips video about U.S. prototype, semi automatic, primer-actuated firearms that I have ever seen.
That forestock sure has taken a cooking. Can imagine the test firer just waiting for it to catch fire on the next clip. Must have drove the armorer nuts, trying to figure out where the BBQ was, whenever they turned that weapon back in.
What I enjoy the most about this channel is seeing the progression of development. When we think of a great designer and their iconic guns, we tend to think of the design coming to them in a great epiphany. In reality, it is a slow progression of ideas and incremental improvement, and often includes a fair amount of failure.
Never apologize for taking more time to explain history or features of the firearm you're featuring. Listening to you nerd out on guns is a huge part of what makes your videos so great.
Christopher Whitaker I was happy to be an M1 carbine, 1887 shotgun, and P-14 Enfield in Bioshock Infinite. Then I saw the C96 and Colt cap and ball revolver. That game is a gun nerds dream.
Still, I dont understand why that gun had stripper clips when a few years after the war it got a normal magazine (M14) I just dont get why that gun is so famous and why it is so cool when in would call it plain dumb to not have a real magazine and you could hurt yourself when you were stressed...
Dennis Hakkie: one, the m1 used en- bloc clips(not stripper clips), also the m14 still used stripper clips because, they were much lighter to carry than carrying tons of magazines. And the reason why the garand Action is very famous today is because, it’s a good reliable action, it was the first semi automatic rifle that the us adopted, and like what Ian said it was truly the first successful semi auto rifle that worked, and it was used for a very long time from WW2- to even to the Vietnam War
Dennis: I believe Garand wanted to have a removable magazine, but the Army insisted on an internal mag. I'm no expert, so maybe others will respond to you.
John Simpson well he was right tho either way you spell it it sounds the same way when you say it but no en bloc clip so no ping it’s sad :( the gun looks so familiar I want to say looks like some Japanese converted or re-engineered rifle but it is an original design
Wow... that is cool. I am impressed that you had the opportunity to bring this rifle to us. It's evident that you enjoyed making this video. Among your best work. Thank you.
I've come to notice through all the guns I've shot the most comfortable guns are the ones that I end up shooting incredibly well, a good crisp 4.5lb trigger with no post travel and a good short reset is great but if the gun doesn't feel comfortable I won't shoot it worth a damn.
I'm always astounded by the inventive ingenuity of people like Garand, Browning, Maxim and so many others. I'm also in awe of the craftsmen who machined these works of art. The only thing I've ever been able to make is a bloody mess. But I have been told that I was a good medic. So that's handy then.
BigSwede7403 that is not really a mechanically interesting revolver either it's just a slide system, Not to mention it looks like it's just your basic S&W
Very cool rifle design. The internal workings are very interesting. Although I am happy that the US military changed the ammunition specs. The M1 Garand of WW2 is a hard rifle to beat in reliabilty and accuracy.
This video has done wonders for my soul. The M1 Garand in, in my opinion, the perfect auto rifle. And while rambling about in this video, I found myself clinging desperately to every word you said. Never apologize.
Genius, to even conceive of this mechanism (or series of interfacing mechanisms), especially considering the era, staggers the imagination, beyond next level engineering, Pedersen too, and that wood is still gorgeous, a truly beautiful machine
Just having Ian handling, disassembling and producing a video on an individual firearm should increase its value by 20% with a half of that going towards Ian's productions.
Primer-activated. It's like the hybrid of advanced primer ignition and hesitation locked. I've never thought someone would show this rifle. I've only seen it from the diagrams. (not so coincedentaly as I've been studying both hesitation delayed and primer activated mechanism for this hybrid between the two I was thinking of, for some shotgun design I've been busy with for a couple of years)
This channel is like antique roadshow for real men. This should be on PBS on Sunday early morning when only dad's are up making coffee ( between 4-6 am ).
If not for issues with ammunition interchangeability between this rifle and other small arms (BAR, 1917 Browning, 1903 Springfield to name a few) do you think this would viable as a issue rifle, and how do you think this stacks up against the final issue M1 garand?
No primer actuated gun is ever going to go into military service. This is as close as one ever got. It's amazing Garand made it work as well as he did. Fortunately he wasn't stubborn like some other designers (Hugo Borchardt comes to mind) and was able to modify some bits, throw some other bits out and continuously develop his ideas into the M1.
@@wingracer1614 Fantastically accurate reference. Hugo immediately comes to mind when thinking of gun designers whose bull-headed nature contributed to their ultimate downfall.
@@SlimRhyno Ultimately, someone realized that a Primer-Actuated rifle means that there's an inevitable chance that the primer itself will not be extracted, and can become lodged inside the weapon, since they're kinda small. Now imagine shooting a few volleys of rounds in battle, and having to field strip to clear jammed, used primers from mechanisms. 😂😭😅
bless the 6 month during witch I lived with a british guy, thanks to them I understand english enough to enjoy this channel (witch has no equivalent in my country) greatest thanks from France!
knate44 I can't say I'm a Garand fanboy. It's an old rifle, it's obsolescent. However, it's not obsolete. If I was being told "you get one rifle and as much ammo as you can carry" without any knowledge of where I'd be going, the Garand is higher in the list than any other rifle from the 30's. Actually it's the only rifle from the 30's on my list. I'd probably take an M1 over a G3.....maybe.
YOU ROCK MR.IAN Thank you for this historic info . I would love to see some vids and info on all the developmental and experimental rifles and accesories for them for the rifles between the M1 and the M14, like the T44, T44E4 "m14 rifle", T44E5 "M15 rifle", T44E6 "lightweight m14, early composit stocks, folding stocks, and especially that very odd looking stock "looks upside down" that resembled the shoulder fired M79 grenade launcher. Even if you just talked and showed pics from the net, that would be fine as this info is not known by many and is very hard to find reliable information and specs on. Yes, you are my favorite firearms content producer by far. Keep up the excellent work sir. You have set the bar very high for anyone else that wants to do what you do. Thank you for that because it does make others' content even better than it would have been had you not been making these vids and inspiring them to attempt to achieve what you do. What you do is ROCK!!!
That rifle doesn't look like a prototype at all. It looks like a standard production rifle, with one tiny modification for an experiment (the oiling pads, which as you noted, *were* an experiment applied to a rifle not designed for them.) Trés cool. Also, that pistol grip and trigger geometry look *better* than the M1, and I already LOVE the feel of the M1 pistol grip and trigger. All.in all, a fantastic rifle, and thank you for this video.
Interestingly a version of primer locking was used on the spotting rifle of the now obsolete UK 94mm AT weapon. This had a prepackaged semi auto ranging rifle firing a ballistically matched 9mm tracer projectile. To obtain the somewhat weird ballistics, the round used a crimped off .22 Hornet case as part of a hi-low firing system. This case was allowed to recoil out of the main cartridge case to unlock the breech.. I suspect the designer had just let his copy of Chinn open up where it lay and went from there...
Maybe the hole and geometry in the follower were intended for some kind of magazine cut off? As usual, Ian, this video made for time well spent. Thank you!
Gee that's even more than what i though! And this is the price estimate mind you so the thing will probably go for even more than that maybe reaching the 100k!
When you said "peg" i was reminded that just a few weeks ago i learned the saying was "a square PEG in a round hole" instead of 'a square PIG in a round hole" because of my family and our strange accents that are a cross between scottish and northern canadian they are pronounced the same
Self loading r1fle 😮 Seems like it's technically locked but the system would unlock at or even before the highest pressure? Super beautifully made and designed no question about that.
I've had M-14's hot enough that the fiberglass handguard was gooey, but to actually char a wooden fore arm and handguard would take a very large amount of ammo in a short amount of time.
Ive always loved the m1 garand ive never owned one sadly but i was fortunate enough to hold one. It was a beautiful gun and surprisingly it wasnt shot out. I was friends with the shop owner and had him grab me a 30-06 cartridge to check and see. I wasnt able to tell if it was military issue or not im not knowledgeable enough to differentiate between faked or otherwise. But from outward appearances it looked it had some wear but otherwise good shape.
How cool would it be for forgotten weapons to collaborate with iv8888 on an actual firearm design? Ian would handle firearms design, Eric and Chad would handle ballistics! How incredible would that be?
I understand that the M16 jammed when it was new because the government used older dirtier gun powder than what Stoner designed his gun for. Primer activated actions sound like asking for trouble... Oh, amazing video as always!
"I understand that the M16 jammed when it was new because the government used older dirtier gun powder than what Stoner designed his gun for." No, it was like he said - improper burn rate. It caused too much pressure at the gas port, which resulted in the action cycling too quickly and ripping the base off cartridges instead of extracting them. To this day, you can still go buy powder that technically will work in 5.56 and load up some ammo on your own that will do exactly what I describe.
Don't be ashamed to be a grand fanboy there's many of us out there and I am definitely one of them! I'm currently trying to find a parts diagram of some sort or blueprint of the complete parts and working order of this particular rifle. I own a small machine shop and am trying to build a replica rifle for my own personal usage. I don't have 200 Grand to buy an original so I'm going to use my knowledge and skill as a gunsmith to make one and I can tell you it is not an easy task. John Grande was a Firearms genius along the same lines as Jonathan Browning!
when you mentioned the 3 crimps on the back of the primer, I went and grabbed my M1 rifle bandoleer and peeled off a round of surplus greek .30-06, and sure enough, there's 3 crimps on the rim of the primer holding it in place. useless information isn't useless if it's entertaining.
Yes, down the rabbit hole, Never stop telling us these detailed little things down the rabbit hole. I watch as much of your stuff as I can find. I watch for the Is Built-in history of metallurgy mechanical thinking tactics It's lost ideas that might have been and crazy ideas that somehow got into production. For instance I know I would've rather carried a 38a baretta machine gun. It's not because of build quality or steadiness It's but because of rate of fire which I learned from Ian. In other words human adaptability 2 machines. 600 rounds Versus over a 1000 Round From some machine guns. I found that fascinating. Thanks
Ian, whenever you think to yourself "gee I might be rambling about the backstory or nuances of this firearm a bit too much" don't ever stop, just keep going down that rabbit hole, its awesome when you do.
I fully support that statement
One of the reasons I like his videos is the detailed history he gives on these guns, so I totally agree.
Predatron AU Agreed, well said! Have my like!
Totally agree, Ian is a great story teller and his passion for the subject really comes through. Love these vids!
I think the number of thumbs up on this comment says it all. Personally I could not agree more.
Ian nerds out over a non-French firearms design... *checks where John Garand was born... French Canada
HAACKER45 that technically doesn't count considering he was still born in Canada.
emile berthier did nothing wrong
Vive le Canada! Vive la France! :)
There's an ironic alternative understanding of the joke, mind you. There's a number of forum topics/photo comparisons on the internet between the RSC 1917 and the M1 Garand, pointing at the strange similarities of the two designs. Who knows what our Gun Jesus had in mind when praising Mr Garand's genius? ;)
More seriously though,
@Forgotten Weapons: that's a video I'm dreaming of, a comparison between the two guns (RSC 17/18 & Garand M1), and more importantly the explanation of the improvements.
Keep it going, those are fascinating videos from a mechanical engineering point of view :)
That’s because French firearms are weird.
This really is the best channel. I’m not that particularly into guns, but I love engineering and history. These explanations are clear, simple and sober but still fascinating. I wish every topic had such a wealth of videos produced to this standard.
The problem is that engineering and history don't get along very well, since the art of engineering often gets overlooked by historians because of the politics involved with it or any other reason (or basically any person without an extraordinary liking in engineering). Rather stick to just the engineering part and you will find some gems on youtube ;D.
Im in the same boat as you bud. I cant stand violence but to see the development of military technology and ideas is absolutely fascinating
You should also check out C&Rsenal
@@alexguymon7117 Imho, guns prevent more/worse violence than they create. In the civilian world guns are used defensively far more than offensively.
The reason it's so good is because he's paid. Which is a good thing. It creates incentive to do better.
I still believe Garand's genius was his ability to understand the logistics of production, he designed tooling and assembly/production procedures for the manufacture for his designs. without a doubt 'the man for the job' title at play.
When Ian talks about the research he does for videos I imagine him donning a robe and walking down to a cave under his house filled with bookshelves of ancient tomes and obscure manuals
What are you removing?
He literally does this. There is a bunker with his favorite guns and books safely stored underground complete with comfortable chairs for him to sit in with his leisure robe.
Dont forget the house shoes and fancy tobacco pipe 😂😂
There is a temple where he goes in a robe, that temple has a secret staircase that leads to a giant room where the Ancients sit: Thompson, Garand, Colt, Winchester, Smith, Wesson, Maxim, all sitting on tall thrones in a circle. Ian descends the secret staircase, when he is in front of the Ancients he bows, head down. "Why did you come here, Father McCollum?" They ask. "I am here to gain informations, to enhance my knowledge" Ian says to the Ancients. "The sacrifice", Maxim says, looking at Ian from the top of his high throne. Ian pulls out of his pouch a broken ancient Webley Bulldog Revolver, then proceeds to disassemble it and put all the parts in a bowl under every throne. The parts of the revolver start floating into the air, then shine of proper light, before being absorbed to the Ancients. "Our hunger has been satisfied. You can proceed to the path for knowledge, Father McCollum" Maxim says, a moment after the whole dungeon starts shaking, then the thrones unite, forming an arc under which a corridor opens, enlighted by torches. "I thank you for your kindness, Ancients" Ian says, before standing up and entering the Room of Knowledge, where in the middle stands a table with a candle and a chair. Ian pulls an ancient tome from the bookshelf, then sits and starts reading. After having his knowledge enlarged Ian puts the tome back where it was, removes the bullet from a cartridge, then lights the powder inside with a flint and steel, reciting ancient spells, after all this leaves, while the Ancients are choring. Ian leaves the temple and goes back home, recording a new video
Momo Kawashima yea that sounds bout right
First thing I noticed was the shape of the pistol grip and how comfortable it must be to hold. This thing has absolutely gorgeous lines. I bet it's a complete joy to shoot! Great vid as always Ian, keep it up!
Glad I scrolled down.... absolutely exact words I was set to type. Before Ian commented I thought, "That pistol grip and stock looks 300% better than the M1 Garand and super fine design!" The military chiefs who adopt must not listen to the shooters and think comfort and ergonomics are just whinny bullshit.
Hope it's not to cringe to suggest that the grip reminds me of my Kel-tec SU16C.
Hey, don't knock it till you shove 8,000 rounds of steel cased Tula through it without a hitch. ( No,not all in one day)
"R1FLE"
TIL: Garand was also a linguistics pioneer and originally started the "l33t" speak
Or an older machinist picking out the stamps
You are the man Ian. People up here always say that I am weird for watching gun videos and then I show them your videos. They can't help valuing your engineering interest in how all these things work. Thank you for making guns more than just guns=)
Those who say you are weird simply do not know the glory of Gun Jesus, Hallowed be His Name.
There are two classes of gun channels; there's the pandering overblown and eye-catching sort and the calmer ones about gun history. I infinitely prefer the latter over the former and the former is mostly unappealing to me and very appealing to the sorts of people I don't particulaly like.
This was one of those mornings, you know how they go, yesterday it was 104 F and our air conditioner could hardly keep up. Bad sleeping in the hot old bedroom, kind of slow on the get up, sore all over from trying to get comfortable in bed as our bedroom has no AC. Then this video! WOW, I have read about this gun years ago back when I was studying to be a gunsmith, but to see it WOW, woke me right up, got my old heart a pumping again, gave me back a spring in my step, and put a smile on my face. What a wonderful old firearm, and the presentation was all that I have learned to expect from your wonderful videos. Thanks a MILLION for making my day!
Beautiful gun, especially the other-than-typical lines at the wrist and pistol grip. It looks like it would be so easy and comfortable to hold and fire.
I thought the grip was goofy until you wrapped your hand round it and saw the near perfect finger placement, pity you can't put a few clips through it without a heavily modified delorean.
Since this was a stripper clip firearm, the clips were only an aid to loading, so it would theoretically be possible to fire it with modern reloads. I have no idea what the burn rate of the original IMR powder would have been, but one could start with IMR 3031, which is designed for 30-06 cases and work to faster burning ones like IMR 4198 or IMR 4227 to see if the pressure allowed the rifle to function. Possibly reduced loads of SR 4759 ( a "sporting rifle" powder discontinued a few years ago) would produce a sufficiently high peak pressure to work the action. Probably no one would be willing to try it, however.
Just out of curiosity, would a magnum primer help? I have talked to people who have had to use mag primers in place of standard ones for their reloads and they compensate for the hotter primer by backing off on the powder a bit.
Easily the best "Back to the Future" reference in the comment section of a RUclips video about U.S. prototype, semi automatic, primer-actuated firearms that I have ever seen.
That forestock sure has taken a cooking. Can imagine the test firer just waiting for it to catch fire on the next clip. Must have drove the armorer nuts, trying to figure out where the BBQ was, whenever they turned that weapon back in.
What I enjoy the most about this channel is seeing the progression of development. When we think of a great designer and their iconic guns, we tend to think of the design coming to them in a great epiphany. In reality, it is a slow progression of ideas and incremental improvement, and often includes a fair amount of failure.
From an engineering point of view that's actually kind of brilliant. I can see why it didnt become popular. But still a really great idea.
Never apologize for taking more time to explain history or features of the firearm you're featuring. Listening to you nerd out on guns is a huge part of what makes your videos so great.
I've been watching your channel for many years. This may be the single most interesting rifle you have ever looked at
19:14 lol
Ian is in euphoria. But my god the detailed machining and precise moving parts.. remember, this was purely hand machined.
Any fans of the Bioshock series here? This gun looks like it would fit in that universe quite nicely. Great aesthetics.
Have you seen the Pederson rifle?
Definitely, and I know where you're going :)
Christopher Whitaker I was happy to be an M1 carbine, 1887 shotgun, and P-14 Enfield in Bioshock Infinite. Then I saw the C96 and Colt cap and ball revolver.
That game is a gun nerds dream.
Absolutely! Not to mention the fluidity of the animations and the overall aesthetic in those games just made them so pretty as well, lol.
Nice rifle, but I’m still betting on that the M1 Garand Serial # 1,000,000 that was own by Garand will sell more in the up coming auction.
I'm certain it will as well. Any guesses on the final bid?
Well RIA estimate around $225,000 - $375,000 so I’m guessing maybe a little bit higher
Still, I dont understand why that gun had stripper clips when a few years after the war it got a normal magazine (M14)
I just dont get why that gun is so famous and why it is so cool when in would call it plain dumb to not have a real magazine and you could hurt yourself when you were stressed...
Dennis Hakkie: one, the m1 used en- bloc clips(not stripper clips), also the m14 still used stripper clips because, they were much lighter to carry than carrying tons of magazines. And the reason why the garand Action is very famous today is because, it’s a good reliable action, it was the first semi automatic rifle that the us adopted, and like what Ian said it was truly the first successful semi auto rifle that worked, and it was used for a very long time from WW2- to even to the Vietnam War
Dennis: I believe Garand wanted to have a removable magazine, but the Army insisted on an internal mag. I'm no expert, so maybe others will respond to you.
Amazing design for 1924, true craftsmen.
Does it ping?
ruclips.net/video/wshyX6Hw52I/видео.html
Indeedy. Yes indeedy.
No. It doesn't use N-Block clips, which is the pinging part on the M1.
"en bloc" actually.
John Simpson well he was right tho either way you spell it it sounds the same way when you say it but no en bloc clip so no ping it’s sad :( the gun looks so familiar I want to say looks like some Japanese converted or re-engineered rifle but it is an original design
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(firearms)#En_bloc
Wow... that is cool. I am impressed that you had the opportunity to bring this rifle to us. It's evident that you enjoyed making this video. Among your best work. Thank you.
It's a really sleek and resolved design for what was, at the end of the day, just a prototype.
I think your videos on old rifles with cool mechanisms and dissasemblies are my favourite
THE MAN
who says Garand's name
the way Garand himself did
Wow, that is an absolutely beautiful rifle. Hopefully we can get some footage of it in action one day.
I've come to notice through all the guns I've shot the most comfortable guns are the ones that I end up shooting incredibly well, a good crisp 4.5lb trigger with no post travel and a good short reset is great but if the gun doesn't feel comfortable I won't shoot it worth a damn.
I'm always astounded by the inventive ingenuity of people like Garand, Browning, Maxim and so many others. I'm also in awe of the craftsmen who machined these works of art. The only thing I've ever been able to make is a bloody mess. But I have been told that I was a good medic. So that's handy then.
I'm hoping we find out what's in that case with the green lining at top left...
looks like it's just a revolver
Yeah, but is it "just a revolver" like the pair in the top center case?
to me revolvers aren't really interesting they don't really have anything mechanicallyh interesting to them
*Webley-Fosbery Self-Cocking Automatic Revolver glares at you in .455*
BigSwede7403 that is not really a mechanically interesting revolver either it's just a slide system, Not to mention it looks like it's just your basic S&W
Very cool rifle design.
The internal workings are very interesting.
Although I am happy that the US military changed the ammunition specs.
The M1 Garand of WW2 is a hard rifle to beat in reliabilty and accuracy.
Don't think I've seen Ian this excited about something for a long time. Dude's gushing about this thing. I 100% agree too. Fascinating.
This video has done wonders for my soul. The M1 Garand in, in my opinion, the perfect auto rifle. And while rambling about in this video, I found myself clinging desperately to every word you said. Never apologize.
I can’t believe how much I love this video I’m awed by the design and the infancy of the garand
Genius, to even conceive of this mechanism (or series of interfacing mechanisms), especially considering the era, staggers the imagination, beyond next level engineering, Pedersen too, and that wood is still gorgeous, a truly beautiful machine
Nothing like watching a video about a rifle I've only ever read about and figured that I'd never see live/in video...
Keep up the good work!
What a beauty. The mechanical elegance of these early semi autos is truly outstanding.
The video subtitle should be "Ian gets giddy over a Garand prototype." Great video and an amazing rifle.
I wonder if Ian bumped into the Chieftain while he was at RIA??
Unfortunately, no - our visits didn't quite overlap.
Forgotten Weapons shame, that would be an interesting video
Not yet...
Please do a collab.
Anti tank rifles would be perfect for such a collaboration.
Ian, best video of the year. Thanks for bringng it to us!
Ian seems to be fawning over this rifle and so am I. Its super good! Keep it up man!
Just having Ian handling, disassembling and producing a video on an individual firearm should increase its value by 20% with a half of that going towards Ian's productions.
Activate the actuated activation actuation action!
Ian I suggest that threaded hole in the follower is to lock it into a jig to machine that part on a shaper back in those days.
Primer-activated. It's like the hybrid of advanced primer ignition and hesitation locked. I've never thought someone would show this rifle. I've only seen it from the diagrams.
(not so coincedentaly as I've been studying both hesitation delayed and primer activated mechanism for this hybrid between the two I was thinking of, for some shotgun design I've been busy with for a couple of years)
Really nice work Ian. Your passion is obvious and so are your teaching skills.
This channel is like antique roadshow for real men.
This should be on PBS on Sunday early morning when only dad's are up making coffee ( between 4-6 am ).
"somebody shot the me out of this rifle" - Gun Jesus viewing the burnt offerings.
Grand was a magician. He made something beautiful out of his mind, I know that's simplistic. But it's beautiful
If not for issues with ammunition interchangeability between this rifle and other small arms (BAR, 1917 Browning, 1903 Springfield to name a few) do you think this would viable as a issue rifle, and how do you think this stacks up against the final issue M1 garand?
No primer actuated gun is ever going to go into military service. This is as close as one ever got. It's amazing Garand made it work as well as he did. Fortunately he wasn't stubborn like some other designers (Hugo Borchardt comes to mind) and was able to modify some bits, throw some other bits out and continuously develop his ideas into the M1.
@@wingracer1614 Fantastically accurate reference. Hugo immediately comes to mind when thinking of gun designers whose bull-headed nature contributed to their ultimate downfall.
@@SlimRhyno Ultimately, someone realized that a Primer-Actuated rifle means that there's an inevitable chance that the primer itself will not be extracted, and can become lodged inside the weapon, since they're kinda small. Now imagine shooting a few volleys of rounds in battle, and having to field strip to clear jammed, used primers from mechanisms. 😂😭😅
@@wingracer1614 Technically there is a primer actuated rifle in service with armed forces.
The spotting rifle on the SMAW is primer actuated.
bless the 6 month during witch I lived with a british guy, thanks to them I understand english enough to enjoy this channel (witch has no equivalent in my country)
greatest thanks from France!
Ian, if you sounds like a Garand fan boy, I can pretty much Garand-tee that the rest of us are too. This is a safe space friend.
knate44 I can't say I'm a Garand fanboy. It's an old rifle, it's obsolescent. However, it's not obsolete. If I was being told "you get one rifle and as much ammo as you can carry" without any knowledge of where I'd be going, the Garand is higher in the list than any other rifle from the 30's. Actually it's the only rifle from the 30's on my list. I'd probably take an M1 over a G3.....maybe.
YOU ROCK MR.IAN Thank you for this historic info .
I would love to see some vids and info on all the developmental and experimental rifles and accesories for them for the rifles between the M1 and the M14, like the T44, T44E4 "m14 rifle", T44E5 "M15 rifle", T44E6 "lightweight m14, early composit stocks, folding stocks, and especially that very odd looking stock "looks upside down" that resembled the shoulder fired M79 grenade launcher. Even if you just talked and showed pics from the net, that would be fine as this info is not known by many and is very hard to find reliable information and specs on.
Yes, you are my favorite firearms content producer by far. Keep up the excellent work sir. You have set the bar very high for anyone else that wants to do what you do. Thank you for that because it does make others' content even better than it would have been had you not been making these vids and inspiring them to attempt to achieve what you do. What you do is ROCK!!!
Magnificent weapon. Very beautiful to look at the design, particularly the front grip layout.
OK, have to ask. BANG!... now we have a case and a primer... case gets ejected... where does the primer go?
this some x-files shit
Bogdanoff henchman spotted
He commented?, Activate it.
Looks like we got ourselves a time theif here.
I wish I hadn't googled Bogdanoff. Nightmare material.
I love having a new Forgotten Weapons video to listen to every morning while I’m driving.
That rifle doesn't look like a prototype at all. It looks like a standard production rifle, with one tiny modification for an experiment (the oiling pads, which as you noted, *were* an experiment applied to a rifle not designed for them.) Trés cool.
Also, that pistol grip and trigger geometry look *better* than the M1, and I already LOVE the feel of the M1 pistol grip and trigger.
All.in all, a fantastic rifle, and thank you for this video.
On of your very best videos, and there is huge amount. Anybody that shoots WWII rifles should be a Garand fan boy.
Ian, you can talk and digress and ramble as much as you want, we all love you. :)
Interestingly a version of primer locking was used on the spotting rifle of the now obsolete UK 94mm AT weapon. This had a prepackaged semi auto ranging rifle firing a ballistically matched 9mm tracer projectile. To obtain the somewhat weird ballistics, the round used a crimped off .22 Hornet case as part of a hi-low firing system. This case was allowed to recoil out of the main cartridge case to unlock the breech..
I suspect the designer had just let his copy of Chinn open up where it lay and went from there...
I love that stock and pistol grip. I'm sure there was a reason that the M1 didn't have a similar one but damn, that would be nice.
the beauty of smiths and machinists.......their designs no matter how bad, never stay on paper.
I expected it to be a bit more complex, because i have that expectation with early semi autos.
It's easy to be a fanboy of a genius.
John Garand, or Gun Jesus?
104thDIVTimberwolf yes
"Carbine Williams" would be proud ;) Thanks Ian, this is a cool design.
Truly this was a forgotten weapon.
Maybe the hole and geometry in the follower were intended for some kind of magazine cut off?
As usual, Ian, this video made for time well spent. Thank you!
Well thank god he didn't go with the bullpup design.
I don’t think he would have even known about the concept, as (if I am not mistaken) the bullpup only existed on a few British rifles.
me me 458 Sodom in afganistan?!?! Im calling bullshit!
Fantastic, fascinating video. It’s videos like these that keep me hooked on Forgotten Weapons.
something tells me this is going to go for an obscene amount of money
MANDRAC $50k - $75k!
Gee that's even more than what i though! And this is the price estimate mind you so the thing will probably go for even more than that maybe reaching the 100k!
173k
I miss how he used to put what the auction price was. The fg42 was like 35 grand if I remember correctly. This channel is watched at least once a day
I've been waiting for the return of the forgotten weapons precision disassembly tool!
When you said "peg" i was reminded that just a few weeks ago i learned the saying was "a square PEG in a round hole" instead of 'a square PIG in a round hole" because of my family and our strange accents that are a cross between scottish and northern canadian they are pronounced the same
I like how sealed up it looks.
Kind of a shame that that didn't carry over to the M1. But I'm going to guess it's a bit for simplicity's sake.
Garand thumbs everywhere give this comment a thumbs-up :)
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Once. That's all it took to.learn how not to load the M-1.
The charging handle sliding far out of the rear of the receiver required redesign. Far too vulnerable to breakage...
As a reloader with tons of reloadable surplus ammo, crimped primers are the bane of my existence.
I don't even need to hold it to know it would fit perfectly in the hand. It looks very satisfying
Self loading r1fle 😮
Seems like it's technically locked but the system would unlock at or even before the highest pressure?
Super beautifully made and designed no question about that.
I've had M-14's hot enough that the fiberglass handguard was gooey, but to actually char a wooden fore arm and handguard would take a very large amount of ammo in a short amount of time.
The powder was changed to extruded granules and was developed by and was labeled DuPont. Decades later it was labeled IMR.
Ive always loved the m1 garand ive never owned one sadly but i was fortunate enough to hold one. It was a beautiful gun and surprisingly it wasnt shot out. I was friends with the shop owner and had him grab me a 30-06 cartridge to check and see. I wasnt able to tell if it was military issue or not im not knowledgeable enough to differentiate between faked or otherwise. But from outward appearances it looked it had some wear but otherwise good shape.
Hey love the channel but this is without a doubt the coolest video to date. Keep up the amazing work Ian!
How cool would it be for forgotten weapons to collaborate with iv8888 on an actual firearm design? Ian would handle firearms design, Eric and Chad would handle ballistics! How incredible would that be?
This is like an early manlicher straight-pull bolt locking system, but autoloading. Very cool!
I understand that the M16 jammed when it was new because the government used older dirtier gun powder than what Stoner designed his gun for. Primer activated actions sound like asking for trouble... Oh, amazing video as always!
"I understand that the M16 jammed when it was new because the government used older dirtier gun powder than what Stoner designed his gun for."
No, it was like he said - improper burn rate. It caused too much pressure at the gas port, which resulted in the action cycling too quickly and ripping the base off cartridges instead of extracting them. To this day, you can still go buy powder that technically will work in 5.56 and load up some ammo on your own that will do exactly what I describe.
Ian's Universal Disassembly Tool strikes back.
Wow.... never thought I’d see the model of 1924 taken apart.. this rifle will set records ..just amazing
You can see the quality of fit and finish just from the bolt handle lol. Cheers Ian.
Ian, this has to be one of the coolest videos yet. We all do love unicorn guns but a Garand unicorn well...........................
I love the "semi pistol" grip on this rifle, would love to see more rifles with this exact style grip.
Love that grip urgonomics, I would love an alternate timeline where that grip and only that grip stay on the ww2 garands
Don't be ashamed to be a grand fanboy there's many of us out there and I am definitely one of them! I'm currently trying to find a parts diagram of some sort or blueprint of the complete parts and working order of this particular rifle. I own a small machine shop and am trying to build a replica rifle for my own personal usage. I don't have 200 Grand to buy an original so I'm going to use my knowledge and skill as a gunsmith to make one and I can tell you it is not an easy task. John Grande was a Firearms genius along the same lines as Jonathan Browning!
Primer actuation came back for another try in the SALVO/ SPIW program. some of AAI's offerings utilized it.
when you mentioned the 3 crimps on the back of the primer, I went and grabbed my M1 rifle bandoleer and peeled off a round of surplus greek .30-06, and sure enough, there's 3 crimps on the rim of the primer holding it in place.
useless information isn't useless if it's entertaining.
I had to remind myself that this was 1924 and judge it by that time. Much more current than it's date would have one believe.
THAT GUN LOOKS FANTASTIC
This is the first time I've seen stitching with wire. Very cool.
I must admit that I was always puzzled by that primer-setback initated unlocking mechanism, this answers how it actually works.
Yes, down the rabbit hole, Never stop telling us these detailed little things down the rabbit hole. I watch as much of your stuff as I can find. I watch for the Is Built-in history of metallurgy mechanical thinking tactics It's lost ideas that might have been and crazy ideas that somehow got into production. For instance I know I would've rather carried a 38a baretta machine gun. It's not because of build quality or steadiness It's but because of rate of fire which I learned from Ian. In other words human adaptability 2 machines. 600 rounds Versus over a 1000 Round From some machine guns. I found that fascinating. Thanks
this rifle is strikingly cool to me, more so than basically all others ive seen here
Did Saive have a look at this when he was designing the FAL? The way the locking surface is placed into the receiver is suspiciously similar.
Ian,you ever get curious on what the tooling looks like to carve out that reciveir