You have to move up to the highest Snapdragon Elite SKU to get increased GPU clocks. And there are no Surfaces that use that SKU (the Surface Elite chip is the middle of the three Elite SKUs).. So far only the Samsung laptop has it.
@@dpodjasek Yea I’ve seen, just doesn’t make sense to me. Why give the base model the same gpu performance? They could lower the price even more and get even more competitive with Apple. Feel like they have way too many sku’s are screwing over consumers who want certain devices with certain chips.
and there isnt much in the cpu benchmarks either. The only thing i would question how the LCD compares to the OLED. On the video the Plus screen appears to have a warmer colour
This is the most complete video about comparing these 2 SKUs. I was looking for it since the launch. Thank you, keep going, you're doing great (just change the t-shirt, as it is not good with the microphone :p )
good review, really helped with my purchase decision! One comment regarding the production quality of your video: It is high with the exception of the mic - if you avoid touching it or manage to clip it in a way to avoid the rustling sound it will be even better!
Amazing review!! This is exactly what I was looking for to make a purchase decision. Thank you so much bro. Only one suggestion, get the f microphone out XD I like your beard but the scratches are too loud. Keep up the good work!
this answered all of my questions, thank you man, hope you get more recognition, I will wait for the second or third generation of these laptops/chips, but the plus is looking like a good value when compared to Elite.
What an excellent video 89 subscribers or not. As of right now I haven't seen any other video like this. It seems like this could be a good laptop to use the but overall it doesn't seem like any Snapdragon processor laptop should be anyone's main laptop for now
That is my initial thoughts as of now, I am going to try to get a more in depth testing with the 16gb vs the 32gb to see if they can handle a workflow, but no adobe products really hurts the device.
@@trevorhanson3489 I have the 32gb surface Laptop and Lightroom classic which isn't supported works ok. There bugs and sometimes the laptop can't handle it. My keyboard stopped working a few times and had to restart. I believe driver updates can help though
I only showed one bc I did both devices and did a side by side of listening and looking at the quality and there was no difference. I didn’t wanna bore y’all with extra footage of it wasn’t needed.
Really wanted this comparison so thank you! That being said - I already ordered the Snapdragon Plus so more out of curiosity after purchase. Appreciated the thorough testing. I’m happy as I won’t be pushing my machine that heavy anyway (load of spreadsheets).
one thing i notice, the OLEDd screens white tones are yellowish compare to the LCD screen. Usually the Oled is overall also darker and needs more brightness adjustment compared to the LCD. I I recon it must be QLED.
They both have fans, idk if they are the same size but they both sounded about the same when they did kick in. They are very subtle in the noise they produce.
They both started at 100% and although I plugged the charger in for those specific tests, i unplugged them right after. At the end They were both at the around 85% left after about 2 hours of testing. I'll ensure I include the battery life next time. Thank you!
Amazed how far Qualcomm has come since msft 2017 windows on arm initiative launch. Owned a HP envy x2 in 2018 was great for travel and basic msft apps then ... Just bought base spro 11 - it rocks! New era for Windows laptops has arrived!
Do you know which laptop was being used during that? I didn’t notice a difference, during benchmarks they all seemed to be around the same temp. The fans never ran during normal use unless it was video rendering and that’s only because nothing is optimized for it yet.
I don't see any vents on the back, ventilation is around the edges, and fans rarely ran while the tests were going. I would say it does not affect the performance, but I will stand them up on the next tests on the 32gb vs the 16gb.
@@trevorhanson3489 I've seen other times that the verticality of the Surface form factor actually allows for more airflow to cooldown the back of the Surface. Similar to what Asus used to do with the ergo lift thing where the keyboard raises a bit, but more, as it's completely standing/vertical. If otherwise it's flat on the surface of the table, most of the heat will escape through the fans/vents but some will stay there longer. The difference is probably negligible, as you said. But it would be an interesting test. Thanks!
I can't find the saphire or black for xplus 256gb. Or do certain colours come with different configuration. I only see surface pro 11 xplus with 16gb ram 256gb SSD with platinum why not saphire black or dune. Or Microsoft made the xplus with 256 GB only platinum. Also the SSD you are using for the devices compared is it 256 or 512
They are both 512gb, I just received my 32gb version and it has 1tb of ssd and is platinum. I’m guessing only certain trims have certain specs, as to why, I cannot answer that.
Best performance, but I did a fresh restart on these after I made the switch and it may have reset, the new tests coming out soon will guarantee to be in best performance
that's what I did on both, and on a fresh restart, maybe because it's a surface it did that, i'll retest that with the 16gb vs 32gb and will correct my mistake if that is so. Thank you!
Seems I found new small channel with good content. I like your comparsion side by side and plugged/unplugged. From what I heard about Snapdragon X,. Plus version is plenty for me, it is mre powerfull than my daily driver Macbook Pro, and even desktop gaming PC with 5800x3D. But I cant fully utilize even just 4yrs old base M1 :D I liked MacOS, but I realy like Windows 11 too, most time I spend on web and Office suite with some dev tools, so Windows is little bit better for me. I really considering switch from Mac to some Snapdragon X powered PC. Both surfaces and Yoga 7x are in my final list from I will choose. I like Surface Pro Form factor, but shortest battery live. Yoga x is not best build as Surface, but it is really "cheap" with great 3k OLED, haptic touchpad is really missing.. But now there is cashback for Yoga 32G/1000 model announced as in my country it will come to market in three weeks. I preoredered Yoga with 32GB RAM, cashback will reduce price to base version price.
Thank you, yea I have a good comparison that I’m currently working on comparing that base m1 MacBook Air 16gb of ram, and M1 Pro with 32gb ram with the x elite.
Hmm, I agree that it is hard in its current state, especially when an m1 macbook air is 4 years old and probably does exactly what the x plus can do and much more with how optimized apps are for it.
Not a beta ... Qualcomm has made ARM windows chips since 2017 microsoft arm initiative ... I owned the hp envy x2 in 2018 was a great mobile for European travel then - these new chips are AMAZING ... got the base model ... it rocks!
@@-The-Golden-God- I mean there are other ways on Mac to do the same thing. And you can’t really bash one OS because you prefer it over the other. I’m a lifelong windows user and as a software developer, I can 100% say things just work better on MacOS.
Yes, I didn’t want to waste the viewers time on webcams that were the exact same, if they were different I would’ve shown them as that would be a big factor to me as well on which device I should choose.
fixed , I will shift to surface pro type 2in1's with windows and these too good arm chips in future from m1 MacBook Air . just need more optimisation plus efficiency
Well looking at their release channel version 4.2.0 is the only arm version for windows at the moment and it is in Alpha. But I can definitely test it and see how it goes.
Uh yea, that is the mic picking it up, I have a new mic coming in to address some of the audio issues I have been encountering, so if not the next video, the video after should have those issues fixed.
tbh, oled is great but i've never considered it a deal breaker as most of my content is watched on my phone. I could see it being an issue for people that would actually utilize the screen.
It does have a fan but you rarely notice it until you give it an intense workload. Device resolve exporting is the only time I’ve ever really heard it and that could be because the app isn’t optimized for it yet.
@@trevorhanson3489 oh boy. Nothing is fanless in this world except macbook airs :( fans have a failure ratio. Oh well, seems like a good machine beacuse I need a fully versatile laptop with tablet for kids
I've watched about ten hours of video reviews on the newly released Snapdragon offerings. Broad and in-depth HP, Lenovo, Microsoft and Samsung reviews. I'll cut right to the chase. These laptops in no way match the marketing expectations and frankly, are a complete bust. For the same or less money you can buy better configured Intel/AMD/Apple laptop systems that will perform flawlessly without the emulation and compatibility problems. Best advice I've ever read regarding the purchase of a new laptop is, "Buy the system for what it can do now, not what the venders promise it may do tomorrow". Personally, I'll wait for the new AMD Zen 5 or the Intel Lunar Lake chipsets before making a major purchase. We should see those systems become available in the 3rd quarter of this year and there is every reason to believe they will deliver a much higher performance and compatibility expectation. I suspect that the Qualcomm Snapdragon systems will ultimately rank as the most over hyped laptop computers ever made.
I am in an agreeance on most of this, I feel like they had to push something of an arm chip to get their foot in the door. As of now they can't compete but perhaps in the near future they can provide some sort of arm competition with apple and give the consumers more options.
@@wheezel55, Yes. The battery life on these ARM based systems is very good and definitely superior to what you'll get in most Intel/AMD solutions. They are also very good in terms of performance when running many general purpose productivity applications. My disappointment, expressed in my earlier comment, was based on the reality of the system versus the marketing hype. To be clear, these new Snapdragon systems are, in fact, very good at what they do, but you need to be clear on the limitations and, in my humble opinion, the manufacturers should have been clear on those limitations from day one.
@@wheezel55 Well from my testing, (currently working on my full 2 week review) it has been amazing, I would say that it is about on part with the macbook air equivalent, but you also have to notice that the surface pro 11 doesn't have the same size as an actual laptop variants of the chip.
Thank you for the deep dive appreciate the effort that many didn’t do to provide useful information about these “revolutionary” chips. Sadly this won’t make anyone rush out to buy them at these prices with this performance and compatibility issues that still need to be resolved. And if they don’t exactly sell a ton of them, then developers won’t rush out to support them so it only makes the transition much slower. It’s clear today apple M much better if you care about bang for buck at higher performance and better package ( screen, battery, etc)
I agree, there had to be a rush for compatability since it was apple. MacOS is king in terms of productivity and if you don't have apps for it then you may lose money to a competitor that does make something that is compatable. I think this is a great step for windows laptops though, hopefully gives Apple more competition so that they also push to give us (the consumer) more performance. It'll be a win for everyone.
No difference in gpu clocks was all i needed to hear. I definitely won't regret my X plus.
Yea this surprised me quite a bit as well.
You have to move up to the highest Snapdragon Elite SKU to get increased GPU clocks. And there are no Surfaces that use that SKU (the Surface Elite chip is the middle of the three Elite SKUs).. So far only the Samsung laptop has it.
@@dpodjasek Yea I’ve seen, just doesn’t make sense to me. Why give the base model the same gpu performance? They could lower the price even more and get even more competitive with Apple. Feel like they have way too many sku’s are screwing over consumers who want certain devices with certain chips.
@@trevorhanson3489 only reason would be more ram ... 32gb ... otherwise base model is AMAZING!
and there isnt much in the cpu benchmarks either. The only thing i would question how the LCD compares to the OLED. On the video the Plus screen appears to have a warmer colour
This is the most complete video about comparing these 2 SKUs.
I was looking for it since the launch.
Thank you, keep going, you're doing great (just change the t-shirt, as it is not good with the microphone :p )
Thank you, yea I was upset going back over the footage bc there’s not much I could do about the scratching of the mic.
Are there any other videos??
@@adriandasilva2968 yes, currently getting the final full comparison with the 32gb model complete. Possibly be out later tomorrow or Monday.
This is an amazing test man.. Straight to the point and not trying to buy more views...
Great job 👌🏾
I appreciate you jumping right into the benchmarks
Thanks for this comparison, it confirms my decision of purchasing the X plus… $500 is not worth 10% performance increase and an OLED screen.
Been waiting for a review like this. Thank you.
Great review--both informative and concise. Subscribed!
good review, really helped with my purchase decision! One comment regarding the production quality of your video: It is high with the exception of the mic - if you avoid touching it or manage to clip it in a way to avoid the rustling sound it will be even better!
Thank you, yes I noticed it in post and was super upset.
😅The beard makes a sound when it touches the microphone
@@sclee807 fixing that for future videos 😁
Amazing review!! This is exactly what I was looking for to make a purchase decision. Thank you so much bro. Only one suggestion, get the f microphone out XD I like your beard but the scratches are too loud. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! I was so disappointed when I was going through the footage and noticed it as well. Will keep it adjusted in the future
Great review man. Absolutely what I needed.
this answered all of my questions, thank you man, hope you get more recognition, I will wait for the second or third generation of these laptops/chips, but the plus is looking like a good value when compared to Elite.
What an excellent video 89 subscribers or not. As of right now I haven't seen any other video like this. It seems like this could be a good laptop to use the but overall it doesn't seem like any Snapdragon processor laptop should be anyone's main laptop for now
That is my initial thoughts as of now, I am going to try to get a more in depth testing with the 16gb vs the 32gb to see if they can handle a workflow, but no adobe products really hurts the device.
@@trevorhanson3489 I have the 32gb surface Laptop and Lightroom classic which isn't supported works ok. There bugs and sometimes the laptop can't handle it. My keyboard stopped working a few times and had to restart. I believe driver updates can help though
Super helpful video, very to-the-point. Exactly the comparison i needed between the x plus vs x elite.
And we assusme the webcam and mic quality is the same on both devices? I mean you never know.
I only showed one bc I did both devices and did a side by side of listening and looking at the quality and there was no difference. I didn’t wanna bore y’all with extra footage of it wasn’t needed.
I have the Lenovo Uoga Slim 7X with the 78100 CPU and 16 GB RAM, and it runs Time Spy just fine.
Hmm, yea I think the surface is seen differently, even in adobe creative cloud is was recommending me to install the mobile version of certain apps.
Really wanted this comparison so thank you! That being said - I already ordered the Snapdragon Plus so more out of curiosity after purchase.
Appreciated the thorough testing. I’m happy as I won’t be pushing my machine that heavy anyway (load of spreadsheets).
You’ll really enjoy it as it is quite good a cpu focused tasks and the battery life is great for a windows machine.
one thing i notice, the OLEDd screens white tones are yellowish compare to the LCD screen. Usually the Oled is overall also darker and needs more brightness adjustment compared to the LCD. I I recon it must be QLED.
Did you do battery life test comparison?
Uh I did not do a full one, but I will in my next one thanks.
Do both Devices have a fan inside, or is one passiv cooled?
They both have fans, idk if they are the same size but they both sounded about the same when they did kick in. They are very subtle in the noise they produce.
Thanks for doing the comparison! What was the battery level at the end of the tests for both?
They both started at 100% and although I plugged the charger in for those specific tests, i unplugged them right after. At the end They were both at the around 85% left after about 2 hours of testing.
I'll ensure I include the battery life next time. Thank you!
Amazed how far Qualcomm has come since msft 2017 windows on arm initiative launch. Owned a HP envy x2 in 2018 was great for travel and basic msft apps then ... Just bought base spro 11 - it rocks!
New era for Windows laptops has arrived!
Yea if you’re only using Microsoft products it’s great!
Does the OLED screen look vastly superior than the LCD one?
I mean it’s oled, but I don’t think you notice it unless you consume a lot of content. Kinda like an iPad Air, really no complaints tbh.
which battery life lasts longer?
Both lasted about the same, pretty efficient, but if you’re doing heavier workloads the x elite dies slightly faster since it pulls more power
An honest review I appreciate it. I'm surprised, I thought the elite would boast much more power than the plus.
Thank you. I bought a Snapdragon x Plus model after watching the video.
It’s a great windows laptop, I hope you enjoy it!
Wish you would have done a heat test, read somewhere that the elite runs significantly hotter. Don't like fan noise.
Do you know which laptop was being used during that? I didn’t notice a difference, during benchmarks they all seemed to be around the same temp. The fans never ran during normal use unless it was video rendering and that’s only because nothing is optimized for it yet.
Did you run the benchmark with the Surface laying down on the table? Does that limit the performance due to not cooling as well as standing?
I don't see any vents on the back, ventilation is around the edges, and fans rarely ran while the tests were going. I would say it does not affect the performance, but I will stand them up on the next tests on the 32gb vs the 16gb.
@@trevorhanson3489 I've seen other times that the verticality of the Surface form factor actually allows for more airflow to cooldown the back of the Surface. Similar to what Asus used to do with the ergo lift thing where the keyboard raises a bit, but more, as it's completely standing/vertical. If otherwise it's flat on the surface of the table, most of the heat will escape through the fans/vents but some will stay there longer.
The difference is probably negligible, as you said. But it would be an interesting test.
Thanks!
I can't find the saphire or black for xplus 256gb.
Or do certain colours come with different configuration.
I only see surface pro 11 xplus with 16gb ram 256gb SSD with platinum why not saphire black or dune. Or Microsoft made the xplus with 256 GB only platinum.
Also the SSD you are using for the devices compared is it 256 or 512
They are both 512gb, I just received my 32gb version and it has 1tb of ssd and is platinum. I’m guessing only certain trims have certain specs, as to why, I cannot answer that.
Which Windows performance mode did you use while doing these tests?
Best performance, but I did a fresh restart on these after I made the switch and it may have reset, the new tests coming out soon will guarantee to be in best performance
Can you please do a side by side comparison rather than comparing one by one?
It's just not intuitive
I’ll remember that in future comparison videos, thank you!
you can get the same geekbench score of plugged in with battery if you set power mode to high performance.
that's what I did on both, and on a fresh restart, maybe because it's a surface it did that, i'll retest that with the 16gb vs 32gb and will correct my mistake if that is so. Thank you!
Seems I found new small channel with good content. I like your comparsion side by side and plugged/unplugged.
From what I heard about Snapdragon X,. Plus version is plenty for me, it is mre powerfull than my daily driver Macbook Pro, and even desktop gaming PC with 5800x3D.
But I cant fully utilize even just 4yrs old base M1 :D
I liked MacOS, but I realy like Windows 11 too, most time I spend on web and Office suite with some dev tools, so Windows is little bit better for me. I really considering switch from Mac to some Snapdragon X powered PC. Both surfaces and Yoga 7x are in my final list from I will choose. I like Surface Pro Form factor, but shortest battery live. Yoga x is not best build as Surface, but it is really "cheap" with great 3k OLED, haptic touchpad is really missing..
But now there is cashback for Yoga 32G/1000 model announced as in my country it will come to market in three weeks. I preoredered Yoga with 32GB RAM, cashback will reduce price to base version price.
Thank you, yea I have a good comparison that I’m currently working on comparing that base m1 MacBook Air 16gb of ram, and M1 Pro with 32gb ram with the x elite.
@@trevorhanson3489 Looking forward your new videos :)
Does the OLED model give less battery backup, I heard rumours of OLED display being less power efficient?
Uh after about two hours of testing the oled was at 84%, and the led was at 85%. I don’t think it’s that noticeable.
I wish you broke down the some of the terminology to basic English. Thank you!
Will keep that in mind for future videos, thank you!
given the state of the software, i would pay max 500 bucks to buy a snapdragon x plus product and be a beta tester.
Hmm, I agree that it is hard in its current state, especially when an m1 macbook air is 4 years old and probably does exactly what the x plus can do and much more with how optimized apps are for it.
Not a beta ... Qualcomm has made ARM windows chips since 2017 microsoft arm initiative ... I owned the hp envy x2 in 2018 was a great mobile for European travel then - these new chips are AMAZING ... got the base model ... it rocks!
@@-The-Golden-God- I mean there are other ways on Mac to do the same thing. And you can’t really bash one OS because you prefer it over the other. I’m a lifelong windows user and as a software developer, I can 100% say things just work better on MacOS.
Since they have different battery sizes, was expecting to see a battery life comparison between the two ):
Why did you only show one webcam from one of them? Are they both the same?
Yes, I didn’t want to waste the viewers time on webcams that were the exact same, if they were different I would’ve shown them as that would be a big factor to me as well on which device I should choose.
@@trevorhanson3489 ok thank you, it wasn’t specified so I was confused.
This video definetly failded mice test.
fixed , I will shift to surface pro type 2in1's with windows and these too good arm chips in future from m1 MacBook Air . just need more optimisation plus efficiency
Isn't there so supposed to be an arm version of blender ?!
Well looking at their release channel version 4.2.0 is the only arm version for windows at the moment and it is in Alpha. But I can definitely test it and see how it goes.
there is audio garbling/garbage, coming in at random times, literally sounds like someone is eating chips/packet crinkles.
Uh yea, that is the mic picking it up, I have a new mic coming in to address some of the audio issues I have been encountering, so if not the next video, the video after should have those issues fixed.
I can’t believe how yellow the lcd is compared to the OLED …😮
I don't think it's necessarily yelllow while using it, it is that noticable when sitting beside an oled screen
Thank you iv been looking for this video! I hate that they downgrade the screen 😒
tbh, oled is great but i've never considered it a deal breaker as most of my content is watched on my phone. I could see it being an issue for people that would actually utilize the screen.
please next video upload on adobe cc apps ... how to perform adobe cc apps..
Will do, hoping the Adobe lets us use them on the surface soon. Would love to give premiere pro a spin myself.
Would like too see that
thx for another proove that we dont need x elite model lol.
Does it have a FAN? I hate noise HATE It!
It does have a fan but you rarely notice it until you give it an intense workload. Device resolve exporting is the only time I’ve ever really heard it and that could be because the app isn’t optimized for it yet.
@@trevorhanson3489 oh boy. Nothing is fanless in this world except macbook airs :( fans have a failure ratio.
Oh well, seems like a good machine beacuse I need a fully versatile laptop with tablet for kids
nice
Snapdragon X Elite super chip❤❤
I've watched about ten hours of video reviews on the newly released Snapdragon offerings. Broad and in-depth HP, Lenovo, Microsoft and Samsung reviews. I'll cut right to the chase. These laptops in no way match the marketing expectations and frankly, are a complete bust.
For the same or less money you can buy better configured Intel/AMD/Apple laptop systems that will perform flawlessly without the emulation and compatibility problems. Best advice I've ever read regarding the purchase of a new laptop is, "Buy the system for what it can do now, not what the venders promise it may do tomorrow". Personally, I'll wait for the new AMD Zen 5 or the Intel Lunar Lake chipsets before making a major purchase. We should see those systems become available in the 3rd quarter of this year and there is every reason to believe they will deliver a much higher performance and compatibility expectation. I suspect that the Qualcomm Snapdragon systems will ultimately rank as the most over hyped laptop computers ever made.
I am in an agreeance on most of this, I feel like they had to push something of an arm chip to get their foot in the door. As of now they can't compete but perhaps in the near future they can provide some sort of arm competition with apple and give the consumers more options.
isn't the battery far superior tho or what
@@wheezel55, Yes. The battery life on these ARM based systems is very good and definitely superior to what you'll get in most Intel/AMD solutions. They are also very good in terms of performance when running many general purpose productivity applications. My disappointment, expressed in my earlier comment, was based on the reality of the system versus the marketing hype. To be clear, these new Snapdragon systems are, in fact, very good at what they do, but you need to be clear on the limitations and, in my humble opinion, the manufacturers should have been clear on those limitations from day one.
@@wheezel55 Well from my testing, (currently working on my full 2 week review) it has been amazing, I would say that it is about on part with the macbook air equivalent, but you also have to notice that the surface pro 11 doesn't have the same size as an actual laptop variants of the chip.
Thannks but more graphics and fluid editing 😂
Working on it, honestly lost a ton of footage and had to work with what I had.
Thank you for the deep dive appreciate the effort that many didn’t do to provide useful information about these “revolutionary” chips.
Sadly this won’t make anyone rush out to buy them at these prices with this performance and compatibility issues that still need to be resolved.
And if they don’t exactly sell a ton of them, then developers won’t rush out to support them so it only makes the transition much slower.
It’s clear today apple M much better if you care about bang for buck at higher performance and better package ( screen, battery, etc)
I agree, there had to be a rush for compatability since it was apple. MacOS is king in terms of productivity and if you don't have apps for it then you may lose money to a competitor that does make something that is compatable. I think this is a great step for windows laptops though, hopefully gives Apple more competition so that they also push to give us (the consumer) more performance. It'll be a win for everyone.