Ooh, I see somebody's a happy dupe - I love the "overjoyed" reactions Klei put in. I also love Pufts, as ridiculous as they are. Heck, I probably love them *because* they're ridiculous.
Okay, I agree with you, 100% automation must not include any dupe interactions, so no ranch can be fully automated. It then is the question of how close one can get to fully automated, i.e. how much dupe interaction is required. With ranches best case scenario involves only grooming and critter relocation tasks, which means your design is, indeed, as automated as possible.
Bravo Echo! I really admire how you can take a confusing looking system (automation baffles me) and explain it so clearly, step by step. I am pretty sure that one watch has given me the theory behind it all. I'd need to follow along to build one but I think I would understand most of it. The only bits that I am not 100% on still is the shipping count thing and maybe the counting bit. But if I played around with those things it would likely make more sense!
Yay! a new Echo video! I've messed around with puft ranches before but never quite got the results I wanted. Love to see your take on this and apply it to my own colony some day :D
If you have enough ranching dupes, you can create zones around each ranch allowing only one rancher. That way there is no way for them to steal puftlets from other ranches.
you mislabeled chlorine at 4:36, its Cl, not CL, yes, chemistry is like that, CL means carbon-"L", best example is Cu (copper) CU capitalized is Carbon-Uranium, or Co (cobalt) and CO (Carbon mono-oxide), i'd definitely rather have a kilogram of one over the other XD
1:16 that is due to a modism of repetition. It serves the purpose of emphasizing that the list is very big/long, and that you are skipping over the majority of it. the same thing applied to the "yada", where saying git twices, it gives the meaning that is a very long list of steps in a very tedious task.
I have been struggling this weekend trying unsuccessfully to get a Puft ranch going, and just like that you put out a tutorial JUST for me. Thank you Echo!
That said, efficiency wise it is best to restrict Puft movement inside the stable with pheumatic doors at the top and liquid locks at the bottom. Not only it keeps them closer to the grooming station, but unlike other critters, it also effects their metabolism. The more space Pufts have to move around, the less resources they will produce.
i like that you went over the top here, but it can be made way less complicated, depending on what it is your purpose is for the pufts. let me explain: 1. pufts break the need for meat and eggs, due to the 4kg per cycle of slime dusk caps require, and the waterweed which only require .5 kg per cycle of bleachstone. only 1 puft is needed to support 11 dusk caps. in other words, 5 pufts can support an entire colony on mushrooms alone. 2. you want to have one puft ranch and one puft prince ranch to keep pure eggs being laid, with single but separate incubator rooms, and a single large mixing room to allow for incubator room overflow to flow into. you won't need large scale squeaky puft ranching. only 2 pufts and a single chlorine vent is needed to support 114 waterweed plants. 3. the only exception to the rule is the dense puft. they have less production efficiency over the oxylite forge, so if you have no access to gold or plastic, then you would need to go this route with them.
I would recommend switching the timer with a cycle timer, so the system is lag proof; however it has been a few versions since i had problems with lag off-syncing timers, so take it with a grain of salt.
the chlorine vent has other major uses, sand production through table salt refinement, and oxygen production through the rust deoxidizer. the .5 kg per cycle from waterweed allow for 114 waterweed to be supported by 2 squeaky pufts, or 12 with puft princes, both of which can be supported by one vent.
I think the 15.4 eggs is not accurate for meat calculation. You have to round down to 15 because 0.4 of an egg is not an egg. Having 3 pufts is not going to result in a 46th egg.
Truth be told 15 isn't necessarily accurate either. The time the critter goes between grooming (and its reproduction being dropped) fluctuates total eggs as well. This is why I round in the end. For instance, if the final number is 2.6 dupes per ranch, I will only try to feed 2 or 2.5 dupes with it.
Yeah, you're right to do it this way. Start properly, step properly, end properly. While "good enough" is good enough for puft ranches in oni it's a bad marker for emulation, which makes a weird contrast with the educational feel of the channel.
My favorite thing about pufts algae. Algae production can simplify alot of of tasks in oni. With pufts, water purifier, distiller, and algae terrarium you can have oxygen forever. And an automatic way of removing co2.
I think I'm missing something with the counter+conveyor meter. The point is to keep exactly one puff prince egg in the incubation chanber, so can't you go filter -> drop-off -> evo chamber; then use the critter sensor to disable the drop-off?
Something I thought about when trying this out, the slime produced from the regular pufts can be used for Fungal Spores, if I did the math right 5 pufts + prince can support ~60 Fungal Spores. Slime produced: (47.5 * 5) + 3 = 240.5 kg per cycle Fungal Spore needs 4000 grams or 4kg per cycle: 240.5 / 4 = 60.125 Rounding down to 60 Fungal Spores, which produces a Mushroom every 7.5 cycles and a Mushroom can be cooked to Fried Mushroom gaining additional calories. A Mushroom is 2,400 and a Fried Mushroom is 2,800 calories. 2,400 * 60 = 144,000 calories of Mushrooms 2,800 * 60 = 168,000 calories of Fried Mushrooms Assuming you will always fry the mushrooms, dividing the total by 7.5 will give us a very healthy amount of calories per cycle. 168,000 / 7.5 = 22,400 calories per cycle Assuming I am doing the math right, 22 dupes worth of food seems to be a lot for just one ranch. Feels like am I missing something?
It gets even better though, when you add in the squeaky pufts you're going to get you can feed ~57 waterweed plants per puft. With that you can turn your fried mush into mushroom wraps and gain an additional 2000 kCal per unit of fried mush. All you need is chlorine and salt water. As a bonus you can go for a wide ranch and just use the extra non ranching floor tiles for said water weed plants, I mean you're flooding the floor either way so might as well. in the end though you turn that 168,000 kCal of Fried mush into about 288,000 kCals or about 38400 per cycle. So 2 ranches one of which is also a farm yields enough food for nearly 40 dupes per cycle!
Great to see this approach. One issue though, I think - if you choose to set the non-prince puft drop-off to 5, then the ranch will not be restocked to full capacity until shortly after the prince dies, and will soon drop to 5 as soon as the next non-prince puft dies. After playing with slime pufts in the base game, I picked up Spaced Out a few weeks ago and am currently in the middle of automating my dense puft ranches. I figured that instead of trying to rely on the egg chances swinging back and forth based on the prince's presence, I'd rather maintain 2 ranches - one 16-cell ranch with a single dense puft producing prince eggs, and one 96-cell productivity ranch with 5 dense pufts and 1 prince. I'm trying to figure out an arrangement where dupes can only access 1 of 2 drop-offs at a time - then, I'd switch between the drop-offs based on counting the meat leaving the ranch.
Great video. The only change I made was instead of a filter, use a element sensor and a shut-off with a NOT-gate to save on power. But them critters sure are finicky indeed. Was fun to try this for a first time with this video as a guide, as I've been kinda avoiding them myself.
This tutorial is a little old, but I have to point out the calculation of calories is wrong. With an adult life of 70 cycles and an egg-laying interval of 4.54 cycles, each puft will create 15 eggs, not 15.4 as the 0.4 of an egg is never realised. This means for the barbecue calculation, we would have 15 eggs transforming into 2400kcal of meat, which can then be cooked into barbecue for a 25% increase in calories over a 75 cycle period, equating to 400kcal per cycle per puft. Which is equivalent to 2400kcal per ranch per cycle.
Could the problems with multiple ranches for the same Puft type be solved by having one designated duplicant for each farm, so that only he can acces his designated ranch and incubator rooms? For example, you have 2 Puft ranches for Oxolite. You build both ranches and assign 2 ramchers. Rancher one can only go into ranch one and its incubators and rancher two can only go into ranch two and its incubators. In my mind that should work...
Bottling polluted water or stacking polluted dirt in storage containers/reservoirs and deconstructing/dropping them into a single debris/bottle is also incredibly efficient for offgassing purposes. There is a way using automation and a sweepy, plus some clever positioning to create an auto-bottling point where sweepy mops and a dupe empties the dock but gets forced to drop the bottle beyond their reach before getting to a liquid dropoff as a door shuts in their face, but you can manually just place, fill, and deconstruct reservoirs for bottling 5 tons at a time. The math for calculating off-gas rates for stacked polluted dirt or bottled polluted water is 4/99 * mass of the object which can result in very powerful offgassing potential up to a maximum of the 1.8kg/s that causes polluted objects to stop offgassing (somewhere around 45 tons in bottled polluted water, or dirt so 2.25 storage containers full or 7 liquid reservoirs built, filled, and deconstructed. These objects will offgas 1.8kg/s and stifle until air pressure is lowered from consumption. From there you only need to occasionally increase the mass via more dropoff of resources in the same tile to add to the debris object in question.
The polluted oxygen offgass amount is determined by the mass of the source cell of pwater. So to maximize offgassing have the trough bend 90degrees going up the right wall to insure th bottom tiles are always at least 1ton mass if po can't offgas up it will try to appear to the left of the tile.
I use doors on the bottom of my puft ranches with a bit of water, so that when the dupes go inside the ranch they don't wet their feet. Only three tiles out of 8 (or any number) are then "solid" and in need of bein sweeped manually. The oxylite / egg any debris fall right on the bottom of the door It works quite nicely, and the auto sweeper still does its job. It can also be used to keep eggs out of the ranch before having an autosweeper; this way the puft will never become cramped (and it's also a quite nice evolution box by itself, with very easy setup early game, of course the dupes have to actually go there to collect the meat, so upgrading to an autosweeper is preferable).
Just curious: with the extended pH2O for the regular pufts, it seems to be feasable to have several slime ranches. My curious brain however is wondering if that would require an incubation setup of it's own, or if one chamber could support two (or more) ranches. I know, I could do the math myself, but it's easier for me if someone else knows 😅 Great tutorial, as always, @EchoRidge. Easy to understand, and simple explanations without overcomplicating things. Keep'em coming ❤ see you in the VOD 😁
The area of polluted water is usually insufficient unless the farm is very, very wide. Adding pufts adds consumption, so no. But you can design a polluted water diffuser which maximizes offgassing, and pump or otherwise direct the pO2 into the ranch
@@leznets91 my question wasn't directed towards the use of polluted water, it was directed towards if one incubation chamber could support more than one ranch. The pufts and their consumption makes no difference, as the ranch itself can't be supported by the water alone. Supplemental gases would be required, as the extension of the water tank is required for the single ranch in the first place 😀
If you want to say etcetera, only one is needed. But if you want to say the same thing using the word "on", you gotta use more than one (e.g. on and on and on). Most people use 3 of these, but only 2 are actually needed.
I assumed the single et cetera was to conjure a container filled with more of the same general contents without going into detail yet, like character introduction. The second adds that there is at least one more similar container, or character, that is different enough to mention. The purpose being to show a certain overall level of complexity. Requiring either or both of repetitive motions and a range of disciplines. But i don't know. Lol.
you can also make small rooms with pufts, one for a puff prince and one for a puff prince breeder, every 75 cycles, this door opens up until the critter has left, utilizing a buffer gate and a critter sensor. Hopefully all the critters will have flown through the doorway and entered the room before the end of the day (which they probably garanteed will) you can use a dubble gate to ensure no pufts sneak into this room during the princey ritual day. This also would require less dupe labor. And since the critter does not need a feeder you can just leave them there. I don't know if this could effect your resorced negatively, but the glum debuff should help here. Let me know your thought.
You could have two critter drop offs in a ranch and set it to one prince and on the other five puff then you could have more then one ranch. I really like the set up I may try this in my colony but with my modification. let me know if you try it. love all your videos! @Echo Ridge Gaming I just finished the video and saw you added that lol
If critter drop offs worked like that there would be no reason for the automation. You could just ranch them normally. Sadly though, the critter drop offs count total critters in a stable, not the selected critter.
Quick question: Why the 2 critter dropoffs are set like that and not, for example, for 5 pufts and 1 puft prince? Wouldn't they be able to deliver the puft prince?
I wanted to point out that you said at 5:16 that you get 15.4 eggs. Which it can NEVER be the case. A puft will never lay that .4 egg, ever. So the math in this video of puft to bbq / omlette is over estimated and incorrect.
Much as I love automation, pufts make my head hurt lol. Dense pufts are oxidizing my rockets though so what I just do is any time I see a dense puft ranch with more than one prince, I just give attack orders to kill the elder. I also have puft princes & dense pufts kinda getting loose outside the ranches but I just consider the extra oxylite to be a tax writeoff lol. Got a storage bin errand to round up those loose ones.
You could do the conveyer system with only a shutoff and meter to save a ton of power. Put an element sensor before the shutoff and connect both the sensor and meter to an AND gate. There's no chance it'll ever back up and break the filtering
Ok so i have a question. What happens when your counter hits 70 and allows a puft prince egg through but all the eggs are in the evolution chamber? wouldn't you have to have a dupe go to the loader and manually scoop up an egg from the chamber?
so there at the end the puflet hatched, eventually hes gonna start flying around that incubation room, how do you move him then? no room in there for a drop off to have him picked up, and moving with the lures is so frustrating. we just kill it then i guess?
I scrolled through a couple dozen comments and didn't see anybody mention it, so I figured I should: stabled with only their own kind, pufts will lay prince eggs, and princes will lay puft eggs. If you don't want the other two types, you only need to segregate the stables as you would for any other critter morphs. =^.^=
How about trying to do an all natural colony? Using critters and plants for everything where possible. I think it would make an interesting challenge/series.
They've added a ton of critters and plants to the game to make such a "green" colony feasible. They even added those plug slug variants that can replace fluid pumps.
I think you should redo this because of the pick-up and drop off signs. I find them a little confusing, although I seem to be using them properly at the moment.
Could you get more offgassing by putting a 2nd water pool in the ranch half way up and adding a couple of rows of height instead of doubling the width? The tricky thing here definitely seems to be keeping the correct number of each. It feels like that could be done using counters though since we know we need 5 regular for each prince. I'll think on it a bit
Ok, so we have two tiny rooms next to each ranch. One gets a prince egg dropped in it, one a puft egg. A critter sensor in the room blocks new eggs dropping if an egg or critter is there. So they constantly keep a "spare" critter in them and hatch a new one if empty. As soon as the number in the ranch drops below 6< it triggers a counter. 5 times it will open the door to the ranch room until the critter leaves it (then closing the door as soon as the hatching room is empty and enabling the egg dropper again). 1 time it does that with the prince room. - then repeat with 5 normal again. How does that sound? Zero wrangling.
Cool video, never tried to counter automation before. Nice use case, although... I feel like it's kinda overthinking the whole process. I personally have had a ranch for each type and 1 extra with mixed puff and puff prince with a higher prority. I just use two evolution chambers. 1 for overflow eggs and 1 for babies from incubators that I don't have a place to put them. You get to the point that you're producing so many eggs of all types that automating it like this video is overengineering imo. Cool, but overkill. Although I might try the 2 Dropoff idea to get a one prince, 5 other idea. Figure it doesn't need absolute perfection to work.
They look at one drop off and say "I can drop off pufts here as long as there isn't anymore than 5 critters in this ranch". The other they say "I can drop off princes here as long as there isn't anymore than 6 critters here".
Gonna be honest, I just installed the mod that makes puft princes not be a thing. I don't see why we can't just put limits on individual species on the dropoff station, just say '5 puft 1 prince' sort of thing and be done with it. I mean I get that this would *only* help pufts from a gameplay perspective, but it would also be neat to have various critters in cross-species rooms without having to put in an unreasonable amount of effort.
Eggs calculation per puft looks wront, 15.4 eggs are actually 15 eggs for calories calculations. The .4 eggs won't ever exists the puft will die before laying the last egg
Found a issue: Automation to reset the conveyor meter will send two eggs, this is caused by the counter constantly sending a green signal until an egg is detected. I implemented two solutions on my end. First solution is to add another critter sensor detecting if there are more than 1 egg, so 2 or more egg to activate a sweeper to put the eggs into a conveyor loader. This solution helps when dupes delivery an egg instead of using the egg near the incubator as well. The second solution is to implement a rising edge detector to the green signal from the counter to reset the conveyor meter. In other words, a rising edge detector will just send a pulse of a green signal instead of constantly being green. Edit: Found another issue, more of a bug in the game. When loading into your save, your signal counters will be reset when they shouldn't, after looking around in forum posts it appears to be a issue with Critter Sensors and has been in the game for a while. In short, during the loading process Critter Sensor seem to be sending a green signal and because of how the automation is set, it will reset the counters. A solution to this problem is adding a filter gate to the wire connecting to the reset inputs for the counters. Keep in mind, when you load into your save the counters will be 0s but will return to their counts once you unpause the game.
Why don't u just keep 1 incubator inside the room and set it prince puft only that way prince egg will always hatch while every other egg gets shipped away. Altho sometimes u gonna get 2 prince inside. But it's much simple and brain saving.
Nice video. And very nice explanation. The math on kcal is a bit off, but it doesn't matter. Point is, it's not statistics. It's not like sometimes they lay 15 eggs and sometimes 16 and the average is 15.4. That .4 never happens, as the critter dies with 40% reproduction. So it's 15 eggs. Also, it's 1 egg every 4.5 cycles exaclty, that 22% is rounded. Again, not relevant as the result is still 15 eggs in a lifetime. Finally, since you do add puflets to the ranch (at various ages) you can't simply use 70 cycles as the time a critter spends in the ranch. Some of them will be added at age 1, maybe. Those spend 74 cycles in the ranch while still producing only 15 eggs. 15 * 1600 / 74 * 6 = 1946 kcal/cycle, a tad short of two dups per ranch, in kinda the worst case scenario. It's safe to assume that on average pufts are introduced at around age 3, so 15 * 1600 / 72 * 6 = 2000. That's 2 dups, 2.6 is quite off.
@@Serena-or7sl yes, there are builds that do that using critter sensors and one directional movement of adults (there are ways to force an adult critter out of something and not make it go back - speaking of hatches here tho, I'm not sure about pufts). You trap one adult in such place, and open a door as soon as one breeder dies. It doesn't matter if the adult in question is 20 cycles old. Again how that applies to pufts I don't know.
Anyone still got problem like me: the room is full of polluted oxygen (mostly from my 2 vents + extra from the polluted water), but the pufts still hungry/starve for some reason, the room is 96, with 4-6 pufts, groomed, someone on reddit said it might because we using speed up but when I set it to 1x speed pufts still not eating properly, I try move some pufts out (4-6 into 1-2) but it's still the same, I experience this problem both in spaced out dlc and vanilla
Pufts are really sad. so much effort for so little result - just like moos... That should be adjusted. What you have not covered is why we would want to ranch pufts. Oxilyte ist self explainatory, but how does it compare to a oxilyte refinery, what can you do with the slime or bleach stone?
you can feed slime to dusk caps, and bleach stone can be used to feed waterweed. dusk caps consume 4 kg of slime, and waterweed consumes .5 kg of bleachstone. 2 squeaky pufts and one chlorine vent can support 114 waterweed plants, and 1 standard puft can support 11 caps. in other words you can support 66 dusk caps with a full ranch of 6 pufts.
So at one point you say 16/96=6 and here I am "yelling" and the screen no Echo that's .166666666666. 😂 I know you meant 96/16 but just made me laugh and then wonder how many times you said it to get it wrong
Seems overcomplicated. All you want is a single pufflet in smaller ranch, without prince, so it makes price eggs, and you start incubating price earlier, so it's under one cycle in "child" form, delivered asap when old dies. This is nice, but have downtime. I love the timer, AND door locking, I might steal that. I tended to just YOLO it with eggs and butcher station mod.
its really not worth running these ranches. its better just to stick puffs in a polluted water storage off gassing box and let them make slime and convert it back to polluted water to recycle back in. they get fed almost free. then a small ranch for the dense puffs to make oxylite for rocketry. the food is not worth the hassle.
The automation of this does not make this worth it to me. Have never needed sustainability of any of these, which could not be made through another system that is 100x easier to do.
Echo, "I hate pufts". Also Echo:
In the same week.
Oh let’s be clear. I still despise puffs :)
So I hear we need to make this the most viewed video on his channel whom is with me
tbh I like this monstrosity better than using up my gold
@@EchoRidgeGaming Pufts suck 😁
Ooh, I see somebody's a happy dupe - I love the "overjoyed" reactions Klei put in. I also love Pufts, as ridiculous as they are. Heck, I probably love them *because* they're ridiculous.
Okay, I agree with you, 100% automation must not include any dupe interactions, so no ranch can be fully automated. It then is the question of how close one can get to fully automated, i.e. how much dupe interaction is required. With ranches best case scenario involves only grooming and critter relocation tasks, which means your design is, indeed, as automated as possible.
Bravo Echo! I really admire how you can take a confusing looking system (automation baffles me) and explain it so clearly, step by step. I am pretty sure that one watch has given me the theory behind it all. I'd need to follow along to build one but I think I would understand most of it. The only bits that I am not 100% on still is the shipping count thing and maybe the counting bit. But if I played around with those things it would likely make more sense!
I hope your editing tee was the absolute comfiest!
Thanks!
I really liked the cycle counter you made. The thought never crossed my mind to line them up together.
The egg automation is superb as well
Thank you
Yay! a new Echo video! I've messed around with puft ranches before but never quite got the results I wanted. Love to see your take on this and apply it to my own colony some day :D
If you have enough ranching dupes, you can create zones around each ranch allowing only one rancher. That way there is no way for them to steal puftlets from other ranches.
Hell yeah! Just what my Sunday needed!
Great. I was looking for this guide for a while.
you mislabeled chlorine at 4:36, its Cl, not CL, yes, chemistry is like that, CL means carbon-"L", best example is Cu (copper) CU capitalized is Carbon-Uranium, or Co (cobalt) and CO (Carbon mono-oxide), i'd definitely rather have a kilogram of one over the other XD
1:16 that is due to a modism of repetition. It serves the purpose of emphasizing that the list is very big/long, and that you are skipping over the majority of it.
the same thing applied to the "yada", where saying git twices, it gives the meaning that is a very long list of steps in a very tedious task.
This makes a lot of sense. Thank you :)
Etymology is awesome
I have been struggling this weekend trying unsuccessfully to get a Puft ranch going, and just like that you put out a tutorial JUST for me. Thank you Echo!
Good luck, let us know how it turns out!
This video is excellent! I learned so much!
Great to have some echo when I come back from a long weekend!
The standard has been set. All tutorial Dupes must now be named ' Echo' 🤣
Haha, I like it.
That said, efficiency wise it is best to restrict Puft movement inside the stable with pheumatic doors at the top and liquid locks at the bottom. Not only it keeps them closer to the grooming station, but unlike other critters, it also effects their metabolism. The more space Pufts have to move around, the less resources they will produce.
It is also a terrible fps killer if they have too much space.
That really is a cool design, thanks heaps for sharing!
Thank you.
*grumble grumble* puft ranches *grumble grumble*
Bingo
i like that you went over the top here, but it can be made way less complicated, depending on what it is your purpose is for the pufts. let me explain:
1. pufts break the need for meat and eggs, due to the 4kg per cycle of slime dusk caps require, and the waterweed which only require .5 kg per cycle of bleachstone. only 1 puft is needed to support 11 dusk caps. in other words, 5 pufts can support an entire colony on mushrooms alone.
2. you want to have one puft ranch and one puft prince ranch to keep pure eggs being laid, with single but separate incubator rooms, and a single large mixing room to allow for incubator room overflow to flow into. you won't need large scale squeaky puft ranching. only 2 pufts and a single chlorine vent is needed to support 114 waterweed plants.
3. the only exception to the rule is the dense puft. they have less production efficiency over the oxylite forge, so if you have no access to gold or plastic, then you would need to go this route with them.
I would recommend switching the timer with a cycle timer, so the system is lag proof; however it has been a few versions since i had problems with lag off-syncing timers, so take it with a grain of salt.
finally a use for the chlorine vent
the chlorine vent has other major uses, sand production through table salt refinement, and oxygen production through the rust deoxidizer. the .5 kg per cycle from waterweed allow for 114 waterweed to be supported by 2 squeaky pufts, or 12 with puft princes, both of which can be supported by one vent.
The possibilities this game offers never cease to amaze me!
I think the 15.4 eggs is not accurate for meat calculation. You have to round down to 15 because 0.4 of an egg is not an egg. Having 3 pufts is not going to result in a 46th egg.
Truth be told 15 isn't necessarily accurate either. The time the critter goes between grooming (and its reproduction being dropped) fluctuates total eggs as well. This is why I round in the end. For instance, if the final number is 2.6 dupes per ranch, I will only try to feed 2 or 2.5 dupes with it.
Yeah, you're right to do it this way. Start properly, step properly, end properly.
While "good enough" is good enough for puft ranches in oni it's a bad marker for emulation, which makes a weird contrast with the educational feel of the channel.
My favorite thing about pufts algae. Algae production can simplify alot of of tasks in oni. With pufts, water purifier, distiller, and algae terrarium you can have oxygen forever. And an automatic way of removing co2.
I think I'm missing something with the counter+conveyor meter. The point is to keep exactly one puff prince egg in the incubation chanber, so can't you go filter -> drop-off -> evo chamber; then use the critter sensor to disable the drop-off?
Something I thought about when trying this out, the slime produced from the regular pufts can be used for Fungal Spores, if I did the math right 5 pufts + prince can support ~60 Fungal Spores.
Slime produced: (47.5 * 5) + 3 = 240.5 kg per cycle
Fungal Spore needs 4000 grams or 4kg per cycle: 240.5 / 4 = 60.125
Rounding down to 60 Fungal Spores, which produces a Mushroom every 7.5 cycles and a Mushroom can be cooked to Fried Mushroom gaining additional calories. A Mushroom is 2,400 and a Fried Mushroom is 2,800 calories.
2,400 * 60 = 144,000 calories of Mushrooms
2,800 * 60 = 168,000 calories of Fried Mushrooms
Assuming you will always fry the mushrooms, dividing the total by 7.5 will give us a very healthy amount of calories per cycle.
168,000 / 7.5 = 22,400 calories per cycle
Assuming I am doing the math right, 22 dupes worth of food seems to be a lot for just one ranch. Feels like am I missing something?
Looks solid to me. Well done.
It gets even better though, when you add in the squeaky pufts you're going to get you can feed ~57 waterweed plants per puft. With that you can turn your fried mush into mushroom wraps and gain an additional 2000 kCal per unit of fried mush. All you need is chlorine and salt water. As a bonus you can go for a wide ranch and just use the extra non ranching floor tiles for said water weed plants, I mean you're flooding the floor either way so might as well.
in the end though you turn that 168,000 kCal of Fried mush into about 288,000 kCals or about 38400 per cycle. So 2 ranches one of which is also a farm yields enough food for nearly 40 dupes per cycle!
Great to see this approach. One issue though, I think - if you choose to set the non-prince puft drop-off to 5, then the ranch will not be restocked to full capacity until shortly after the prince dies, and will soon drop to 5 as soon as the next non-prince puft dies.
After playing with slime pufts in the base game, I picked up Spaced Out a few weeks ago and am currently in the middle of automating my dense puft ranches. I figured that instead of trying to rely on the egg chances swinging back and forth based on the prince's presence, I'd rather maintain 2 ranches - one 16-cell ranch with a single dense puft producing prince eggs, and one 96-cell productivity ranch with 5 dense pufts and 1 prince.
I'm trying to figure out an arrangement where dupes can only access 1 of 2 drop-offs at a time - then, I'd switch between the drop-offs based on counting the meat leaving the ranch.
Great video. The only change I made was instead of a filter, use a element sensor and a shut-off with a NOT-gate to save on power.
But them critters sure are finicky indeed. Was fun to try this for a first time with this video as a guide, as I've been kinda avoiding them myself.
This tutorial is a little old, but I have to point out the calculation of calories is wrong. With an adult life of 70 cycles and an egg-laying interval of 4.54 cycles, each puft will create 15 eggs, not 15.4 as the 0.4 of an egg is never realised.
This means for the barbecue calculation, we would have 15 eggs transforming into 2400kcal of meat, which can then be cooked into barbecue for a 25% increase in calories over a 75 cycle period, equating to 400kcal per cycle per puft. Which is equivalent to 2400kcal per ranch per cycle.
I have always wanted a puft ranch tutorial. I didnt know it gets this complicated!! Be careful what you wish for 😅
Could the problems with multiple ranches for the same Puft type be solved by having one designated duplicant for each farm, so that only he can acces his designated ranch and incubator rooms? For example, you have 2 Puft ranches for Oxolite. You build both ranches and assign 2 ramchers. Rancher one can only go into ranch one and its incubators and rancher two can only go into ranch two and its incubators. In my mind that should work...
Five minutes in and my brain is already fuzzy from all the numbers haha
imagine luring someone with their poop LUL
Hah, never thought of it this way, and now I always will.
Bottling polluted water or stacking polluted dirt in storage containers/reservoirs and deconstructing/dropping them into a single debris/bottle is also incredibly efficient for offgassing purposes. There is a way using automation and a sweepy, plus some clever positioning to create an auto-bottling point where sweepy mops and a dupe empties the dock but gets forced to drop the bottle beyond their reach before getting to a liquid dropoff as a door shuts in their face, but you can manually just place, fill, and deconstruct reservoirs for bottling 5 tons at a time. The math for calculating off-gas rates for stacked polluted dirt or bottled polluted water is 4/99 * mass of the object which can result in very powerful offgassing potential up to a maximum of the 1.8kg/s that causes polluted objects to stop offgassing (somewhere around 45 tons in bottled polluted water, or dirt so 2.25 storage containers full or 7 liquid reservoirs built, filled, and deconstructed. These objects will offgas 1.8kg/s and stifle until air pressure is lowered from consumption. From there you only need to occasionally increase the mass via more dropoff of resources in the same tile to add to the debris object in question.
The polluted oxygen offgass amount is determined by the mass of the source cell of pwater. So to maximize offgassing have the trough bend 90degrees going up the right wall to insure th bottom tiles are always at least 1ton mass if po can't offgas up it will try to appear to the left of the tile.
I use doors on the bottom of my puft ranches with a bit of water, so that when the dupes go inside the ranch they don't wet their feet. Only three tiles out of 8 (or any number) are then "solid" and in need of bein sweeped manually. The oxylite / egg any debris fall right on the bottom of the door It works quite nicely, and the auto sweeper still does its job.
It can also be used to keep eggs out of the ranch before having an autosweeper; this way the puft will never become cramped (and it's also a quite nice evolution box by itself, with very easy setup early game, of course the dupes have to actually go there to collect the meat, so upgrading to an autosweeper is preferable).
Just curious: with the extended pH2O for the regular pufts, it seems to be feasable to have several slime ranches. My curious brain however is wondering if that would require an incubation setup of it's own, or if one chamber could support two (or more) ranches.
I know, I could do the math myself, but it's easier for me if someone else knows 😅
Great tutorial, as always, @EchoRidge. Easy to understand, and simple explanations without overcomplicating things. Keep'em coming ❤ see you in the VOD 😁
The area of polluted water is usually insufficient unless the farm is very, very wide. Adding pufts adds consumption, so no. But you can design a polluted water diffuser which maximizes offgassing, and pump or otherwise direct the pO2 into the ranch
@@leznets91 my question wasn't directed towards the use of polluted water, it was directed towards if one incubation chamber could support more than one ranch. The pufts and their consumption makes no difference, as the ranch itself can't be supported by the water alone. Supplemental gases would be required, as the extension of the water tank is required for the single ranch in the first place 😀
If you want to say etcetera, only one is needed. But if you want to say the same thing using the word "on", you gotta use more than one (e.g. on and on and on). Most people use 3 of these, but only 2 are actually needed.
PUFT RANCHES! The things I always want builds for.
I'm building my first Hatch stable, thank you for these videos
Thank you, and good luck!
For barbecue math, shouldn't you assume that 0.4 of an egg will never be recovered, and round down to 15?
Very fair point. But the 15 isn't really correct either. The seconds they go in between grooming periods adds up too (when their reproduction drops).
I assumed the single et cetera was to conjure a container filled with more of the same general contents without going into detail yet, like character introduction. The second adds that there is at least one more similar container, or character, that is different enough to mention. The purpose being to show a certain overall level of complexity. Requiring either or both of repetitive motions and a range of disciplines.
But i don't know. Lol.
you can also make small rooms with pufts, one for a puff prince and one for a puff prince breeder, every 75 cycles, this door opens up until the critter has left, utilizing a buffer gate and a critter sensor. Hopefully all the critters will have flown through the doorway and entered the room before the end of the day (which they probably garanteed will) you can use a dubble gate to ensure no pufts sneak into this room during the princey ritual day. This also would require less dupe labor. And since the critter does not need a feeder you can just leave them there. I don't know if this could effect your resorced negatively, but the glum debuff should help here. Let me know your thought.
You could have two critter drop offs in a ranch and set it to one prince and on the other five puff then you could have more then one ranch. I really like the set up I may try this in my colony but with my modification. let me know if you try it. love all your videos! @Echo Ridge Gaming I just finished the video and saw you added that lol
If critter drop offs worked like that there would be no reason for the automation. You could just ranch them normally. Sadly though, the critter drop offs count total critters in a stable, not the selected critter.
@@EchoRidgeGaming aww yeah ok thanks!!
Isn't there a line from *The King And I* where Siam's king just likes the phrase "Et Cetera"?
Quick question: Why the 2 critter dropoffs are set like that and not, for example, for 5 pufts and 1 puft prince? Wouldn't they be able to deliver the puft prince?
I wanted to point out that you said at 5:16 that you get 15.4 eggs. Which it can NEVER be the case. A puft will never lay that .4 egg, ever. So the math in this video of puft to bbq / omlette is over estimated and incorrect.
This is the most virgin sentance I've ever read.
Much as I love automation, pufts make my head hurt lol. Dense pufts are oxidizing my rockets though so what I just do is any time I see a dense puft ranch with more than one prince, I just give attack orders to kill the elder. I also have puft princes & dense pufts kinda getting loose outside the ranches but I just consider the extra oxylite to be a tax writeoff lol. Got a storage bin errand to round up those loose ones.
I should be asleep right now, instead I’m watching Echo 😅
You need to round off the .4 on that reproduction math. The .4 egg is never laid.
Love this videos, tk ♥️
Thank you.
You could do the conveyer system with only a shutoff and meter to save a ton of power. Put an element sensor before the shutoff and connect both the sensor and meter to an AND gate. There's no chance it'll ever back up and break the filtering
Echo could you next tutorial be on the anti entropy thermo nulifier. I would really like to know how to you it the most efficiently. Love the video
I’ll add it to the list. :)
Is this still useful? New dropoffs resolve the Prince problem completely, right?
hol-up if i wanted multiple ranches of these how can i avoid prince thefts?
Ok so i have a question. What happens when your counter hits 70 and allows a puft prince egg through but all the eggs are in the evolution chamber? wouldn't you have to have a dupe go to the loader and manually scoop up an egg from the chamber?
why are my dupes not bringing the puft prince into the ranch? they just leave it there until it lets itself out
Why my critter drop offs don't have the auto wrangle option?
Pacu! Pacu!! Pacu!!!
Or maybe vole too;)
did something change on the incubator mechanics? do dupe now automatically bring the incubated egg in the correct stable without need to wrangle?
so there at the end the puflet hatched, eventually hes gonna start flying around that incubation room, how do you move him then? no room in there for a drop off to have him picked up, and moving with the lures is so frustrating. we just kill it then i guess?
I guess you can make the room a bit bigger to allow for a drop off
@@Serena-or7sl puffs can't be transported
I scrolled through a couple dozen comments and didn't see anybody mention it, so I figured I should: stabled with only their own kind, pufts will lay prince eggs, and princes will lay puft eggs. If you don't want the other two types, you only need to segregate the stables as you would for any other critter morphs. =^.^=
My puff dont eat, I have enough gas, but they just keep starving.🙃
How about trying to do an all natural colony? Using critters and plants for everything where possible. I think it would make an interesting challenge/series.
They've added a ton of critters and plants to the game to make such a "green" colony feasible. They even added those plug slug variants that can replace fluid pumps.
I think you should redo this because of the pick-up and drop off signs. I find them a little confusing, although I seem to be using them properly at the moment.
Nice, cant wait for the pokeshell new morph tutorial
Could you get more offgassing by putting a 2nd water pool in the ranch half way up and adding a couple of rows of height instead of doubling the width?
The tricky thing here definitely seems to be keeping the correct number of each. It feels like that could be done using counters though since we know we need 5 regular for each prince.
I'll think on it a bit
Ok, so we have two tiny rooms next to each ranch. One gets a prince egg dropped in it, one a puft egg. A critter sensor in the room blocks new eggs dropping if an egg or critter is there. So they constantly keep a "spare" critter in them and hatch a new one if empty. As soon as the number in the ranch drops below 6< it triggers a counter. 5 times it will open the door to the ranch room until the critter leaves it (then closing the door as soon as the hatching room is empty and enabling the egg dropper again). 1 time it does that with the prince room. - then repeat with 5 normal again.
How does that sound? Zero wrangling.
How come they just don't grab the puff from the other side that's not locked ?
oh boy
Puft slime!
When they expire. Lmao
Cool video, never tried to counter automation before. Nice use case, although...
I feel like it's kinda overthinking the whole process. I personally have had a ranch for each type and 1 extra with mixed puff and puff prince with a higher prority. I just use two evolution chambers. 1 for overflow eggs and 1 for babies from incubators that I don't have a place to put them. You get to the point that you're producing so many eggs of all types that automating it like this video is overengineering imo. Cool, but overkill.
Although I might try the 2 Dropoff idea to get a one prince, 5 other idea. Figure it doesn't need absolute perfection to work.
omg this is so complicated XD and all just to have some pufts
Finally ❤
Why when using the timer sensor it is being used in seconds mode and not in cycles mode?
I like the control of the seconds vs the blunt cycle timing.
Next tutorial ideas: Gassy Moo, Pachu, Pokeshells, and Volve (regolath munchers)
I may have missed it but what do you use bleachstone for
Personally not a lot. But you can geo tune water geysers with the bleach stone.
Counldn't you use a 3rd critter drop off set to only 1 puftlet prince/puft prince to avoid the whole 2 princes in 1 stable thing?
Critter drop offs indicate total critters in the stable, not the critter selected.
@@EchoRidgeGaming the how does it work with 1 drop off set to 5 pufts and 1 drop off set to 6 pufts and puft princes?
They look at one drop off and say "I can drop off pufts here as long as there isn't anymore than 5 critters in this ranch". The other they say "I can drop off princes here as long as there isn't anymore than 6 critters here".
Are puffs good for oxyillite creation for rockets?
Not in my opinion. But they could help if you didn't have any gold for a Oxylite Refinery.
the dense pufts are less efficient, but give cool oxylite if you want to avoid heat and power issues.
@@EchoRidgeGaming on thanks, I'm on cycle 90 and just got a spom, but I'm determined to get to space before buying the dlc
@@GimbleOnDew The space game is _very_ different on the DLC.
Any reason you use a Timer Sensor instead of a Cycle Sensor?
Nope, it does the same thing.
Naw, just personal preference. Since I use timer sensors in a lot of other areas of the game, they tend to be my go to.
Imagine if rover could actually groom critters
Gonna be honest, I just installed the mod that makes puft princes not be a thing. I don't see why we can't just put limits on individual species on the dropoff station, just say '5 puft 1 prince' sort of thing and be done with it. I mean I get that this would *only* help pufts from a gameplay perspective, but it would also be neat to have various critters in cross-species rooms without having to put in an unreasonable amount of effort.
I agree. Even this system in the video is a pain and the effort isn't worth it.
the automation on this makes my head hurt x.x
Eggs calculation per puft looks wront, 15.4 eggs are actually 15 eggs for calories calculations. The .4 eggs won't ever exists the puft will die before laying the last egg
"Hatches drops 3200 kilograms of meat" (O.o) ?
Quick tutorial for pacu pls 🥺
Found a issue: Automation to reset the conveyor meter will send two eggs, this is caused by the counter constantly sending a green signal until an egg is detected. I implemented two solutions on my end.
First solution is to add another critter sensor detecting if there are more than 1 egg, so 2 or more egg to activate a sweeper to put the eggs into a conveyor loader. This solution helps when dupes delivery an egg instead of using the egg near the incubator as well.
The second solution is to implement a rising edge detector to the green signal from the counter to reset the conveyor meter. In other words, a rising edge detector will just send a pulse of a green signal instead of constantly being green.
Edit:
Found another issue, more of a bug in the game. When loading into your save, your signal counters will be reset when they shouldn't, after looking around in forum posts it appears to be a issue with Critter Sensors and has been in the game for a while. In short, during the loading process Critter Sensor seem to be sending a green signal and because of how the automation is set, it will reset the counters. A solution to this problem is adding a filter gate to the wire connecting to the reset inputs for the counters. Keep in mind, when you load into your save the counters will be 0s but will return to their counts once you unpause the game.
I do not have the same issue on my side. Maybe the bridge not sending the overflow correctly?
Why don't u just keep 1 incubator inside the room and set it prince puft only that way prince egg will always hatch while every other egg gets shipped away. Altho sometimes u gonna get 2 prince inside. But it's much simple and brain saving.
...why DO we use 2x etceteras??? My mind is blown
lol :)
Nice video. And very nice explanation.
The math on kcal is a bit off, but it doesn't matter. Point is, it's not statistics. It's not like sometimes they lay 15 eggs and sometimes 16 and the average is 15.4. That .4 never happens, as the critter dies with 40% reproduction. So it's 15 eggs.
Also, it's 1 egg every 4.5 cycles exaclty, that 22% is rounded. Again, not relevant as the result is still 15 eggs in a lifetime.
Finally, since you do add puflets to the ranch (at various ages) you can't simply use 70 cycles as the time a critter spends in the ranch. Some of them will be added at age 1, maybe. Those spend 74 cycles in the ranch while still producing only 15 eggs. 15 * 1600 / 74 * 6 = 1946 kcal/cycle, a tad short of two dups per ranch, in kinda the worst case scenario. It's safe to assume that on average pufts are introduced at around age 3, so 15 * 1600 / 72 * 6 = 2000. That's 2 dups, 2.6 is quite off.
wouldn't this be fixed by only allowing adults in the ranch?
@@Serena-or7sl yes, there are builds that do that using critter sensors and one directional movement of adults (there are ways to force an adult critter out of something and not make it go back - speaking of hatches here tho, I'm not sure about pufts). You trap one adult in such place, and open a door as soon as one breeder dies. It doesn't matter if the adult in question is 20 cycles old. Again how that applies to pufts I don't know.
Anyone still got problem like me: the room is full of polluted oxygen (mostly from my 2 vents + extra from the polluted water), but the pufts still hungry/starve for some reason, the room is 96, with 4-6 pufts, groomed, someone on reddit said it might because we using speed up but when I set it to 1x speed pufts still not eating properly, I try move some pufts out (4-6 into 1-2) but it's still the same, I experience this problem both in spaced out dlc and vanilla
My pufts farm are for slime only, I don't care about the meat they drop because I got a lot from my shove vole farm
And for some reason squeaky puft doesn't have this problem, with decent amount of chlorine, they work properly
My only puff farm was accidental and they all died.
Pufts are really sad. so much effort for so little result - just like moos... That should be adjusted. What you have not covered is why we would want to ranch pufts. Oxilyte ist self explainatory, but how does it compare to a oxilyte refinery, what can you do with the slime or bleach stone?
Fair points. Definitely a missed opportunity.
you can feed slime to dusk caps, and bleach stone can be used to feed waterweed. dusk caps consume 4 kg of slime, and waterweed consumes .5 kg of bleachstone. 2 squeaky pufts and one chlorine vent can support 114 waterweed plants, and 1 standard puft can support 11 caps. in other words you can support 66 dusk caps with a full ranch of 6 pufts.
So at one point you say 16/96=6 and here I am "yelling" and the screen no Echo that's .166666666666. 😂 I know you meant 96/16 but just made me laugh and then wonder how many times you said it to get it wrong
Oh no... now I can't unhear it!
Seems overcomplicated.
All you want is a single pufflet in smaller ranch, without prince, so it makes price eggs, and you start incubating price earlier, so it's under one cycle in "child" form, delivered asap when old dies.
This is nice, but have downtime. I love the timer, AND door locking, I might steal that. I tended to just YOLO it with eggs and butcher station mod.
its really not worth running these ranches. its better just to stick puffs in a polluted water storage off gassing box and let them make slime and convert it back to polluted water to recycle back in. they get fed almost free. then a small ranch for the dense puffs to make oxylite for rocketry. the food is not worth the hassle.
It's 10 PM in here lmao
nice job. But Pufts were and still are not worth the pain.
Okay, those puff princes need _way_ too much work to manage.
They really aren't a good design decision.
I agree.
I just want to expalane 1.12 "etc" "etc etc" dfrints
Etc: a few other things
Etc etc: a lot of other things
Haha. Love it.
The automation of this does not make this worth it to me. Have never needed sustainability of any of these, which could not be made through another system that is 100x easier to do.
I agree.
he over complicated this. pufts are very easy to work with, outside of the dense pufts, which are the only ones that are complex.