The Downfall of Old School Hockey.
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You seriously talked about the increase in scoring without mentioning the removal of the 2 line pass in 2005-06. It caused the largest goals per game increase. Until then goals per game was on the decline. It spiked that year and pretty much leveled out until 2017-18 it started rising again.
I was going to say the same thing about the red line. Add in the combined with rule changes on defensive aggression penalties. Both together allow relly fast turnaround rush tactics, since long break out passes are now allowed, along with defenders not being able to rub up the non puck carrying attackers. Ie clutch and grab.
They also show a defined shift for what it means to be a power forward, something most teams used to have 4 or 5 of to today's game that most teams now only have 1 or 2 true power forwards on. And small and skilled is now more prized. Defenders are also trending to lighter personal as the game is more about blocking the lane or pass vs locking out the player.
He also doesn’t mention that a massive reason quick skill players had disadvantages in the dead puck was because refs weren’t calling obstruction calls as often like hooking. You can see this a little bit with ovechkin when he has some clips of him hooking people and very clearly pulling them to the ice. When he first started those weren’t getting called. Slashing someone’s stick between the hands as well has become something they call as well. Stuff like this required more physical size in order to avoid the obstruction plays that were very common but are now a days penalized.
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Most teams had 4 or 5 and now only have one or two?
As someone who massively followed the NHL from 97-2005, I can assure you that few teams had two power forwards at any time since before 97. If Brendan Shanahan, Jason Arnott, Bill Guerin, Owen Nolan, Jerome Iginla , Shane Doan, Keith Tkachuk and Adam Deadmarsh are the model…most teams were lucky to have one true power forward. There were lesser examples like McCarty, LaPointe, Darcy Tucker, etc but those players were basically grinders who would occasionally have a good year offensively.
Nowadays, there are far less guys who fit that model to the point that naming a few is tedious. Most the guys today who play that way are either smaller or less physical in their play. Tyler Bertuzzi being an example. Matt and Brady Tkachuk, O’Rielly, Ovechkin, and maybe only a couple more compare today to the power forwards of years past.
Ya and the obstruction/holding crackdown that same year. Opened the game right up.
Yup. The removal of the two-line pass. The shrinking of the Neutral zone. The abolition of passive interference. The addition of the trapezoid. Zero tolerance of obstruction. The '05-'06 rule changes totally transformed the game so that it favoured skilled and speedy players, yet doesn't even get a passing reference in this video. Curious. I guess you had to be there.
How many of us here remember hockey with the Two Line Pass rule? That rule was dropped in 2005 and pretty much put an end to trap defense. There is a big difference between breaking out with and without the 2LP rule.
NO the trap isn't gone and hasn't been. Applaud any effort to destroy cheating cowardice but not much accomplished in almost 30 years of buttman incompetence as worst commish any sport any era
Neutral zone trap isn't nearly as effective because the d-man can pass the puck to a forward skating at top speed at the blue line - which there is a lot of.
@@RJKYEGThe modern trap simply takes more effort and is harder for a team to master without the two line pass rule from years past. That’s why very few teams have won cups using it since the 2005 lockout. The only ones I can think of would be the Kings in 2012 and 2014 and the 2019 Blues.
The demise of the Neutral Zone Trap wasn't primarily due to players like McDavid; instead, it resulted from a combination of factors. Allowing two-line passes and reducing the size of the neutral zone played a more significant role in ending the Trap than the speed of players. I believe the New Jersey Devils were the first team to effectively implement the trap, particularly in the mid 90s, rather than the Los Angeles Kings.
this is the truth. this video is fine but its made by someone under thirty who never watched broduer grind the league down to rule changes
@@treavorthenusance Agreed. Brodeur, being a goalie with great puck handling skills, just made things tougher. Even if you thought about dump-and-chase to beat the Trap, he'd casually step out, grab the puck, and toss it right back into the neutral zone.
Hence the trapezoid being put in behind the net. You needed a perfect flip dump into the corner just to have a shot of beating Brodeur to the puck.
Yes, and New Jersey made NHL hockey very boring with their trap.
Yeah, it was Jacques Lemaire who started it and it helped them win their first Cup back in '95.
Are you serious?!? It isn’t a theory that the NHL is trying to raise scoring. It’s a fact. The NHL stated it several times over several years. The rules have been intentionally changed. 2 line passes, moving the goal line, moving the blue lines, goaltending trapezoid, delay of game penalty for clearing over the glass, instigator penalties, interference penalties, automatic icing and tons more. The league forced teams to change. It wasn’t organic like you state at all. It was curated. It wasn’t McDavid and Bedard, fast skilled players have always been around. The difference was league curated rule changes to make the game more high scoring to attract more casual fans. It’s about money.
The goon is a thing of the past. Also defensemen used to be bigger and slower because you could slash, hack and hold to your hearts content. Way more European players now. The game has changed on its own too. There’s just no room for tough guys that can’t also play the game. The complete removal of clutching and grabbing from the game pretty much eliminated an entire type of player from the league. It’s now basically open hockey with a little hitting and an occasional fight that gets broken up immediately, or somebody takes the guy to the ground as soon as he thinks he’s going to get hit.
Enlighten me if I'm wrong as I'm English but I read that in the goon era they scored more goals due to enforcers.
@@bobprobert353 I don't know the actual stats, but there were individual players that scored a lot more goals, not sure about the overall goal total in the league. Technically the goon era lasted into the 2000's. By the late 90's, there was not much scoring. Games were routinely 2-1, 1-0, 2-0, etc. With some rule changes and a general change of the game's style and philosophy, the NHL has completely changed after about 2005. If you watch a game from the 70's -90's, it doesn't look like the same game. It was legal to grab people to a certain extent. There was a lot of hacking and hooking. Faster, more skilled players were at a definite disadvantage during this time, with the exception of guys like Gretzky and Lemieux.
@@bobprobert353 Depends on which part of the goon era you're talking about. Scoring really started taking a decline in the 1990s, especially after New Jersey invented the trap. Scoring was highest in the 1980s, especially the early 80s. Its getting close to that again now, but still not there. But yeah, enforcers were still a thing throughout the 90s all the way up until mid 2010s a little, but their role was a steady decline throughout that period. But when McDavid entered the league, the first thing Edmonton did was pick up Milan Lucic for the sole purpose of protecting him. The game has changed too much though, and Lucic's lack of speed and production made him a liability on McDavid's line offensively.
I must not have been paying attention! You mean the rink is no longer lined 10-60-60-60-10?
Jacques Lemaire was the mastermind behind the neutral zone trap in 95.
Yeah, & shortly thereafter hockey went from one of, arguably, it's greatest eras to it's lamest. Early 90's up to the strike was my favorite era, it had a little bit of everything. Watching skill of the modern era is awesome, but it lacks the character of hockey past somewhat, but it seems to be moving in that direction so I'm hopeful.
@@chizoramaMid 90’s NHL was probably its worst era. The clutching and grabbing was completely out of control, then you saw the trap start to be implemented. Even worse was when Fox picked up the NHL rights. Glowing pucks and animated robots anyone?
@@mplslawnguy3389 I'll agree, it was the beginning of the end & the end came quick. Uggg, the glowpuck, I remember. I was like hell yeah, hockey's on saturday in the US! Then it got turned into a cartoon.
the same system that Claude Julien had success in boston. Julien in his first year in boston gave up 70 less goals than the year before with dave lewis. if you have the right players, and players buying into the system was very successful. but today's game, is all about skills and speed.
You mean Jacques Lemaire who played the same system in Montreal in the 60s? No, he just revived it in the 90’s.
Did you just call ‘02 wings “old school hockey” 😭
For the context of this video, I think their style of play was very different from the modern era
@@JonasHockeyZone very true. Pre lockout rules
@@JonasHockeyZone The Red Wings of that era was the most skilled, puck possession focused team in the league. The Russian Five brought the skilled puck possession style you talk about in this video to North America. You literally picked the very worst team to use to make your argument. It was the Wings' Stanley Cup Finals loss to the New Jersey Devils, the team that invented the neutral zone trap, that made Detroit fully embrace puck possession as the only way to counter the trap, and it worked.
You needed a picture of the Devils.
@@JonasHockeyZone …but to the point, "old school hockey" ended way before that Kings team. That's a glaring inconsistency in your video.
It's interesting that the picture that you use for historic old school hockey at the end was a picture of Scotty Bowman's Red Wings. I would challenge that Scotty Bowman never had an old school team. Professionalism wasn't high back in the day, but Scotty's team pioneered the concept of puck possession with the Russian 5. Modern teams are using this concept, but many could take notes from these guys. That and I doubt that Scotty's tactics wouldn't live up to modern standards. He didn't look for a groove, he looked to get other teams out of their groove. It's a reverse concept, you give us this, we give you that. If he saw teams come at him one way, he had something in his back pocket the next period.
Scotty coach of the 1970s Canadiens never had an old school team?
@@abj136 The Canadiens of the 1970s had defensemen who could move and control the puck: Larry Robinson, Guy Lapointe, Rejean Houle to name a few. Moving and controlling the puck dominated the old school dump and chase Flyers and Bruins in those days.
@@mikebodner1812 So true plus they had speed - they weren't called the Flying Frenchmen for nothing. They had great flow, the total opposite of grinder hockey.
He also used the "Left Wing Lock" -- which was basically the same as the Neutral Zone Trap, but since the Red Wings were popular, and the Devils weren't, it is the Devils who get the blame for defensive hockey. And when they met in for the Cup, the Devils swept with slogging wins like 4-2 and 5-2 (twice), which are terrible low scores that you never see in today's hockey. Not that I'm bitter about this. 🙂
Honestly, I love the way the game has changed. I also loved it during its defensive period. Hockey is hockey, even if different aspects of it get emphasis in different eras.
I am an old guy and I know the players today are faster, bigger, and in much better shape than my old hero's. What is miss is the end to end rushes where a Mahovlich, Richard, Sittler, Orr, Hull, and more could score. That was exciting as hell to watch.
Their smaller not bigger
Gary Bettman has been the worst thing for hockey since its inception. Just a few new rules away from ice golf
He works exclusively for the owners. His responability is to the owners. In that regard he has been the best commissioner ever as the game is bigger and more profitable than ever. His job is not to make the game better. His job is to make the game more lucrative.
Well said!
Well, he’s also made the game boring as hell. So, yeah, he’s the best at what he does alright.@@paulkellygolf3671
I agree that Bettman has been an outstanding commissioner for the NHL. The game has grown tremendously and revenue has skyrocketed during his tenure. Bettman gets blamed for a lot of things, like no Canadian team winning the cup since 1993, but that's nonsensical and inaccurate.
Bettman...the bain of nhl hockey...soon it will be a game in saudi arabia...hot climes is his agenda.
As much as I love the ethos of the old school tough guy in hockey, the end of the dead puck era was the best thing to happen to the sport.
Im not that long fan of hockey, but when I watch the old clips i feel it same way. It was much more predictable and with only one entrance to attack zone
I was a Flames fan in 2004, so seeing the league actively kill my team's playstyle was tough.
I think the 1980s had the best hockey. It was a good blend of physicality and speed.
@@timothymacdonnell9079NHL got really boring in the mid 90’s. College hockey was actually a superior product. It was pretty much all I watched after we lost our North Stars.
It's so much easier to do when you're a Gophers fan though. You guys always dominated that college hockey stuff. Signing off a DC area guy in Arizona.
Pavel Bure would consistently score 70 goals in todays league.
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The increase in goals is largely based on power play goals.
The adoption of the 1-3-1 power play formation creates more cross ice goals but also leads to short handed goals since there is only 1 defence back. I haven’t seen this since 2015-ish. Every team use to use 2 defensemen back.
Florida still uses old school hockey dump and chase and it got them to the finals.
Florida was probably the fastest team in 2021-2022 season. The style change after Maurice hire is a bit exagerrated. They are more fun team than something typically associated with "old school hockey"
correct !!!! and taking most of the fighting out means fighters or (policeman) replaced with more skilled players on the ice. and remember when they threw in all those rules to stop clutching and holding and interfering. (for a more europian style scating game. faster. allowing more skilled players to not worry about going threw the middle of the ice. or (no worry at all). now each team have 1 maybe 2 players that can drop there gloves (but r very good skaters). and can put some in the net. power forwards. 1 of the people with lots of power behind the scense was the great 1 !!!!!!!!! that pussy !!! he was always trying to get fighting out of the game. and he did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The NHL needs to find a way to bring more fighting and toughness back to the game. NHLers are no tougher than NBA and soccer players anymore. Bring the big boys back.
No thanks. Go watch beer league hockey if you don't like the modern game...
It is kind of sad by how soft the nhl has been since 2020 and how low the amount of physicality is int he nhl now to be really honest here. It hasn't been as fun as it was in the past like in the 2010s. In the 2010s and the 2000s it was so tough, physical and low scoring meaning very few people recorded 100+ points a year which was why it was fun to both play and watch. If you have too much speed, skill and agility and too little grit or depth than your chances of winning cups are slim. Like the reason why teams like the Lightning from 2015-2022, Blackhawks from 2009-2017, Red Wings from 1991-2013, Kings from 2011-2014, Bruins from 2010-2021, Penguins from 2008-2017, the 2011 Canucks and the 2018 Capitals is because they had everything all at once. Star power, skill, grit, defense and goaltending not just star power who only care about putting up individual points. They had blue collar styles of play that they wanted to pass on to their teammates and they did it together not single handedly.
Everything you said is wrong and is not backed up in reality. I am guessing you are Canadian and a socialist which makes sense.
no i am absolutely not canadian nice try @@ryanwarner5006
If you went to a game in that era, wear a Bruins sweater in MSG against the Rangers, then you would be involved in more physicality.
Bingo ! 🎯 you’re the first one to point this out and IT IS the main reason that hockey has become boring.
Everything he said is true. A socialist BTW would love today’s brand of hockey where there’s hardly any physical play anymore and so many penalties called that it’s unwatchable. You’re the one who sounds like a socialist snowflake.@@ryanwarner5006
I think the NHL is incredibly boring now. Clubs used to have personalities. The Flyers were tough, the Pens were fast, the Devils were defensive, and the players would have to fit into that mold. Now every team is the exact same, and I find it incredibly boring.
I agree. Every team plays very similar. Every goalie moves and looks the same.
"Now every team is the exact same, and I find it incredibly boring."
I used to like hockey in the 70s and 80s, the Islanders dynasty up to Lanny McDonald's goal against Montreal in 89.....
I watch now a bit, I've started following the Oilers since their streak began... What I have seen in the past few years is like they are trying to draw every play out like football, and I think to myself, 'have you guys ever played this game before?! Do you know what the f*** hockey IS?'
The coach should throw their sticks into the middle and then chuck them out to choose sides in training camp and just play shinny..... get creative, get open, like every generation of kids used to do playing street hockey.
And don't get me started on taking fighting out of the game. There are a lot of chippy players who never would have survived their first cheap shot if Probert or Gillies or O Reilly had gotten a hold of them.
I refer to today’s NHL as watching an All Star game on most nights. I only watch when my team plays because of an 60 + year allegiance ingrained in me. But I can’t watch other games. It’s like ballet on ice.
Not sure what planet u guys are living on.
@@robertgosselin14 Agreed hockey is very tame and lacks the truculence it once had. Too me the best period was 1985 through 1999. Remember the nhl was about to overtake the nba in popularity in the mid 90's. As mentioned the players and team had personalities "tough guys" policed the game not a lot of cheap shots on star players.
I'm 57, Today's game is almost unwatchable. No hitting, no fighting, no passion. It's just a business now. Not too long ago players would give their right nut to play. Today's game you've got a bunch of little kids playing with a whole lot of entitlement. Can you imagine mcgirlyman or Hughes skating like they do with a Scott Stevens or Chris Pronger just waiting for them. They would knock them into oblivion. Now when the once in a blue moon big hit happens the player has to look whos coming for them,stupid stufff. I get it this is what you guys believe hockey should be, fine. As for me I'll take the late 70s, 80s and till about 95 when devils trap came into play, that was hockey at its best.I feel so sorry for the guys who traveled by train and played with a concussion every other week, oh and had second jobs. They made this game what it was, just to watch a bunch of sissy la las who have to take time off because their feelings are hurt. Men were men then. Today's game isn't better, it's what money makers want it to be. I youtube 80s games just to keep my sanity.
True DAT
the worst thing aboot hockey today is the no check, football style zone defense, where all the defenders collapse on their own net and never throw a check on anybody. five on five looks like a PP and teams trade long possessions in each other's zone. you can stand in front of the net for an extended period of time and never get touched by a defender or his stick.
I miss the 1980s. The 60s and 70s were a lot of fun and culminated in the ultimate hockey of the 80s. The 90s started all the left wing locks and trap systems and really took a step back. I think the game now would be fantastic if Bettman hadn't legislated physicality out.
It seems that there's been changes in multiple professional sports that are intended to create higher-scoring games. While I understand why that is, and maybe some of those changes were needed, I wonder if they are an overcorrection. I'm not convinced that a game is necessarily better if scoring always increases.
Daryl Suter also turned Calgary into contender immediately after taking over! Players don't like discipline making Suter an easy target!
Exactly and the flames record after the removal of coach Sutter has been horrible. At the end of the day coach Sutter is a winner in any era...that group of flames players just didn't have it in them to do what it took to win
You never mentioned the biggest change in the game when they changed the offside rules. This one change changed everything as it ment that the defenseman could stay up in the attacking zone as much. They had to back off, making it much easier to move the puck up ice. Defencemen could now skate the puck up the ice again and the forwards could take passes on the fly much deeper than I previous years . This rendered the previous tactics usless and that is why the game has changed. The rule change did exactly what the league wanted, it made scoring much easier and when they limited the size of goalie equipment, that helped even more.
As for today I also think that the standard of the goales has dropped a bit. Don't get me wrong there are some excellent keepers today but the overall group of talent is just a bit lower.
Hilarious. Shows the team that is responsible for breaking the mold in the NHL and insinuating that they were and "Old School" style team. The Redwings were the first team to adopt the puck possession model that the NHL uses today. Scotty Bowman and those Wings teams of that era are the ones you can thank for the positive changes in the game today.
Especially thank the Russian Five for this. No NHL team had an effective counter for them. They brought the Soviet style puck possession to the NHL.
Wayne Gretsky said the average
NHL player is much better than in his day.
Better, faster more skilled harder working
player. The RUSSIANS changed up and down hockey to the Tic Tac Toe faster better offensive game. Watch the last Red Army Hockey team play in 1992.
See the Harlem Globe Trotters on ice.
See, the Red Wings "Russian Five"
@@lorenzo6mm I've been a Wings fan for over 3 decades now. I saw the first game the Russian five ever played together in the NHL. To me that was the point the rest of the NHL stood and took notice of how the puck possession style could work in the NHL. That game in Calgary was a shift in the NHL that is still being felt today.
This might be why some of the old NHL games feel so much better to play
The idea that Connor Bedard going 1st overall represents some sort of shift in drafting strategy is asinine. Bedard was SO FAR ahead of the competition, he would have been the easy #1 pick in any era of the game.
Thanks for putting up the 2002 redwings at the end one of the greatest hall of fame teams ever
Times change. Things change. Something that unfortunately most people in hockey don't understand or simply don't want to.
Doesn't mean it changed for the better, that's the difference.
So the trap was what was made famous by the devil's in the 90's. Literally made a rule because of Marty Brodeur being a sixth man.
They took out all clutching and grabbing plus any hard hit that resolves in an injury.
So I know everyone throws McDavid in as charging the game. Which no one can argue with.
But this was a direct result coaches adapting to rules.
With the salary cap teams can't afford to designate spots for them plus the need is lessened by the inconsistency of boarding, cross-checking and even hip checks. .
I taught a U13 team to never U13 team to never shoot from the bottom of the circle near the boards by giving them pucks at practice and seeing how many times they can even hit the net. Now they're one-timing them as their planned play. Insane
Old time hockey was when they had fights as part of their practices. The dead pick era will never be old time hockey as long as we pass the history and culture down. . Wtf do I know as a construction worker nearing 50 . Motley Crue is classic rock lol
Ur wise. Don’t doubt ur self. He barely even touched on old time hockey . Good video and all, but to sight the kings as the “trap” team? What about the devils? “ Old school hockey, Eddie shore! Gordy Howe!” - slap shot… I’m talking Tony twist and Francois lareau punch each other repeatedly until they’re blooding all over the ice. Don’t know if that’s
Good for the game that’s above my pay grade, but ya I dunno I forgot what
I’m talking about
Daryl Sutter played in the 80s, before the trap, so it's not like he hasn't seen wide open hockey. Also, the pool may be bigger now, but teams ALWAYS tried to draft speed.
…and the improvement he brought to the Kings was one of leveraging offensive mistakes of the other team more than the trap itself. They'd been playing the trap for years already. He upped their tempo.
What crap.
"Old School Hockey" never goes away. teams STILL play some variation of the trapping game and the likes of Carlsson were preceded by the likes of Orr, Coffey, Niedermayer, Potvin, Leetch, Mac Innis and Lidstrom. The D-man "joining the rush" is hardly a new phenomenon.
The increase in scoring as compared to the last expansion era in the 90's (because, really, this is what you are comparing) is not so much due to agility, increase in skill, and all the other baloney you've mentioned: it's due to the facts that a) recent expansion hasn't been as rapid as in previous years, meaning talent isn't diluted and b) the rules have been changed in favor of offense as against both defense and goaltending.
BTW, The Montreal Canadians, Detroit Redwings, Pittsburgh Penguins and New Jersey Devils all won Stanley cups in the same era -- with legendary scorers named Lemieux, Jagr, Hull, Mogilny and such -- while playing a NEUTRAL ZONE TRAP.
Anywhere Scotty Bowman or Jacques LeMaire went, the trap followed because that style of hockey -- play defense and counter-punch -- was what MADE ALL THOSE MONTREAL DYNASTIES POSSIBLE.
The pedigree of "the trap" begins In Montreal in the 1950's and 60's.
When did you start watching hockey? Last week?
Follow the puck. Casual fans want high scoring games, be it in soccer, football, hockey or basketball. Even in chess, my sport/art, blitz chess where the game is over in five minutes has become very popular.
Its when they started to enforce the rules for clutching, grabbing, holding, hooking, interference.
In the old days if you stood near the goal crease the goalie would slash your legs. Today they can't do that anymore. Now a forward may boldly stand near or in front of a goalie thereby improving his chances of scoring.
No more two line passes and all the ticky tacky penalties resulting in more power play opportunities may also have a lot to do with more scoring. With the reduction in physical play there are now more opportunities for taking more unimpeded SOG. I also believe that the sticks they now use may increase the speed of the shots.
As an old school puck fan, the pro game was a lot more fun in the old days. Sadly, those days are gone forever.
In the 2004-05 lockout season, the League’s idea to get rid of the two line pass rule was the greatest change that increased scoring. More breakaways meant increased scoring chances, and just the faster entrance into the offensive zone improved the scoring chances.
Also, getting rid of those cats that were simply enforcers, with no real offensive skills.
Another factor would have to be the OT shootout so now games get that added goal as the shootout winner.
Team speed and player skill level was always going to increase. Especially with the growth of hockey in the US and around the world.
Or maybe I’m an idiot.
The goal for shootout win isn't factored into the NHL's goals per game calculation, I'm pretty sure.
Freezing the puck used to be a common tactic when a team wanted to slow the game. This is no longer called so the game stays moving.
The sport has been evolving since mankind has been hitting rocks with sticks on the lake. The one constant is change.
Hockey is so much better to watch, now. It's like the 80s again but everyone is good, not just a few teams.
Yes and No... The lineups for the Canadiens of the late seventies, and the Islanders and Oilers of the eighties, were still a cut above any of today's teams... Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier ... Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, etcetera...
@@berryscott3590that was the last era where scoring was high.
Of course the reason why it was that high is evident if you watch the “goaltending”.
even the worst teams are a threat if you play half ass
I disagree. 70,80,90s the best Hockey
Way more European and Russian talent here now, plus the expansion of the game in the states. Just about every state produces hockey players now. When I was coming up it was just MN, MI, and MA that produced like 95% of the American born talent. Now we have a superstar from AZ. Go figure.
Fact check, the NJ Devils perfected the neutral zone trap on their way to winning the SC 1994-95.
Holy cow, that MacKinnon goal at 1:45 looked like 2x speed 🤯
You might want to ask old Lou and/or Larry about the perfection of the neutral zone trap. Sutter is a chump next to those 2!
Who knows how many talented players never got the chance they should've because they were "small" by whatever standards used in the past to draft lummoxes like Stojanov 7th overall because "size" was important not actual talent.
When I first started watching this video, I thought this Chanell had like a million subs but I realized you only had 100! your very underrated
Wow, thank you!
I think the influx of int'l players into the league also helped wean out a lot of the physical play.
Also, as mentioned earlier, removing the offside passing.
The rules are real strict on boarding because Sidney Crosby kept getting injured and old players similar to the NFL were coming out with CTE!!
You should see my latest video! Exactly on this issue…
Hockey today is painful to watch.
All sports are bread and circuses for the wee todded masses.
What no one talks about is how every ice surface today is exactly the same. Before each rink was unique with different boards, corners, size, etc. This added another dimension to the game with each franchise building their team to suit their home ice. This also separated the players who could play on the road in different rinks and those who couldn't.
Defensemen today are allowed to try to stick their sticks in the passing lanes, and little more. Playing defense is passe, and results in hurt feelings.
Lots more calls for sure!
The rule changes like no middle line for icing etc, the net placement, and especially the penalties for fighting etc. have all contributed. Its pushed focus to skill play, and i think it's just taken some years for the youth to grow up with it and excel.
Keep pumping these banger videos dude!
Thanks man!
The Daryl Sutter Kings were a Possession with a relentless forecheck team. He along with the team always preached having the puck.
Yup. They got a lot of goals off the forecheck, and a lot of goals off offensive zone time. In my opinion, and apparently many here, he should have chosen the Devils for his example. Of course, this was also when they allowed much more interference that went un-called.
Buttman allowed neutral zone crap. Buttman allowed 2 decades + of clutching and grabbing to go unfined. As in every player and every ref for every missed clutching, holding the stick, grabbing jersey interference like the new jersey devils guys did when treating skill players like sled dogs after 94 season.
The correct way to bring scoring and skill back is hard body checking,, poke checks, sweep checks, some fighting but otherwise destroy the NHL CORPORATE belief that cowardly trap and interference is acceptable.
Drag buttman from office and put the most intelligent explayers from the 1990-1993 era in charge to mimic that era of play AND UNIFORMS/LOGOS
Yo, this was an excellent video tbh. Really well edited and your commentary was awesome!! Only thing i would say is maybe is turn up ur voice just a smidget more. Not like the mixing was bad, but the music was kinda close to ur voice im terms of volume. Nonetheless, great job and look forward to seeing more content!!
Actually Jacques LeMaire (sp?).was one of the first coaches to initiate the "neutral zone 'trap' " when he coached the New Jersey Devils and it won their team the franchises first Stanley Cup in 1995 so much so the NHL more or less "banned" it with the now interference rule
Great Video. Loved all of them you've put out!
My first point of confusion was when you talked about 20 years ago-an era we all remember, in which they allowed clutching and grabbing and all sorts of interference they don't allow now-then you referred to the 2012 through 2014 Stanley Cup LA Kings team, which dominated _well after_ those rule changes that gave way to a rise in scoring. FWIW, that Kings team also emphasized offensive zone time, I believe frequently leading the league. One could argue that puck possession isn't as big a deal as it was then, and you could also argue that other neutral zone strategies are now more effective.
I only bring this up as a Kings fan, who's seen all these eras, and even saw the Kings and OIlers in the bygone era, do well anyway with the speed game. You might ask, "so why did such dominant teams (as the 2012 Kings) ultimately lose their edge?" The same way they all do in the salary cap era. They can't continually stack the talent on their teams. The Chicago Blackhawks were dominant at the same time using your strategy, and these teams met twice in the conference finals, and their time also passed.
Two photos of the Champiobship Red Wings when referencing "Old School Hockey". Those RW teams were the epitome of skill and puck possession.
Even those Red Wings enforcers could score, like Probert, and McCarty scored some seriously clutch goals even if he didn't score often.
They wanted to turn the NHL into roller hockey on ice. That’s what they got.
2016 Penguins won the Stanley Cup with pure speed and puck movement despite not having a real enforcer at all and getting hit, battered and bruised every game but they were just too fast. That was the real turning point imo. 8 years ago I would have said that the 2016 Penguins were the fastest skating team I had ever seen but I think the 2022 Avalanche would skate circles around them, for comparison and how the new style continues to one up itself
Great video. It means more to me considering I just read an article stating that a number of NHL "SKILL" players were advocating for the return of the two-line off-sides pass - including Sidney Crosby. Interesting stuff. I'd like to see the trapezoid go away. I never understood penalizing a goalie for being a good stick-handler. Cheers.
Great point!
You are right. The thing is, I hated watching the Devils play my Islanders. It was such a slow, low scoring game every time. Opening up the game by defeating the trap is better for the game.
As I write the 100th comment after 99 it's fitting to let you know the NHL's rules is the reason. Nowadays they're changing the rules to allow scoring, whereas when HE was playing they were changing rules to curtail it.
Dude, the 80s early 90s was GOALS GALORE.
The Kings weren’t only about the trap they made dump and chase an art form by the forwards hitting the blue line with speed while the d man hit the red line and flicked the puck into the corner. The Kings had big forwards so they could just grind down the d men of an opposing team with relentless pressure and hitting. It doesn’t hurt that they were if not the best then near the top of the league in face off winning percentage.
…and in offensive zone possession time.
Yes players are more skilled, but, as much as younger generations don’t want to admit, today’s players would not be as competitive in the 90s. It’s the game that has changed drastically over that period. It is not as physical, and they actually started calling holding, hooking, and interference calls. You needed much more size and strength back then to play. What you see today is a reincarnation of the 80s, but with drastically different rule enforcement.
Three things destroyed the game of hockey: (1) Allowing the forward pass; (2) Eliminating the Rover position; (3) Allowing goalies to drop to their knees. Putting that glass crap around the rink instead of chicken wire didn’t help, either.
Sutter won Coach of the year, the year before he got canned.
The only reason he was fired was because of Huberdeau's whining.
Yup, THAT sure is working well for the Flames.
Sutter wrecked the Flames and drove off 2 really good players. He probably wrecked Huberdeau too. He overplayed Markstrom. I was hoping he'd go to the Oilers.
Hanson: Eddie Shore?
McGrath: Piss on Eddie Shore!
Hanson: Old time hockey?
McGrath: Piss on old time hockey!
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Awesome! Thank you!
I would say Hasek changing the goalie mentality and the Devils ‘95 trap changed the mindset and goals dropped. In the 80s goalies tried to cut down the angle and would come WAY outta the net. That stopped in the 90s. And Bill Ranford was pretty much the last stand-up style goalie.
cheating used to be openly accepted in the NHL, and it killed scoring, plus made the game boring and frustrating. it was called The Slash and Grab Era
Probably the 3 on 3 overtime is what made the real difference in terms of goals scored.
There was also a big change after they made the goalie equipment smaller in 2018. The average starter goalie before was about .915 in saves, now it's around .910.
The style is different for sure. Now defensemen are used to bring the puck into the offensive zone and to keep the puck possession. So everything looks like a power play basically. Not sure they score much more doing that, but it's different.
main factors: sticks generate more power / speed on the puck. goalie pads were ridiculous in the dead puck era. gretzky and lemeux would have quite a few less points if they entered the league with goalies padd out like that and blocking a lot more of the net. Then, the elimination of the two line pass rule, which never should have been in hockey to begin with offside is enough we don't need another 2 line pass similar rule designed to punish fast players and crisp accurate passers. it's akin to the offsides rule in soccer, where you must stay in front of the defenders before receiving the ball, it also punishes fast athletes and good passers, brings everyone down to a lower level of skill and athleticism
I'm surprised the removal of the two line pass rule wasn't mentioned. That was huge for opening up the speed game.
Dilution of the latent pool due to rapid expansion. This happened in 99 when the league expanded aggressively. It happens every time a team is allowed to rob the league of its depth instead of creating a new club with new players. The fact is that players while being more athletic are not more talented. In the mid 90's the depth was so good on most teams they actually could put together a roster that could compete properly. Right now the NHL is experiencing what the 80's experienced. Massive expansion with most teams being as Gretzky would say, "Mickey Mouse." Also with aging talent fading like that of the early 2000's, you get an effect of young players with no experience coming in and old but talented players moving out. I also don't think it helps that the NHL is shifting away from men's sports. The man and the intensity has been taken out of the sport. A lot of these games are like watching golf. Players just going through the motions and players who would never have made it in the NHL in the 80's and 90's. Yes, they're athletic. But watching lately I see that defense is weak, the officiating is coddling and downright idiotic and the corporate culture is nurturing weakness. In the 90's you had 2 lines of intense, physical and also talented players on almost every team. Most teams don't have that anymore. They're all what would have been depth players on their old teams now playing in a league spread thin. The sport has gone from Men's hockey to more of a business where the human resources don't matter as much as the sustainability of each club to generate revenue for the owners and the league. Even if that means less entertainment and less competition. This is simply where the NHL evolved to. It's not a competitive sport like it once was. The teams don't hate each other anymore. There aren't any rivalries. It's very apathetic.
Except Sutter was a puck possession coach. However, the elimination of the 2-line pass, the equipment, goalie style and the fact that hockey is a rich family sport who’s kids play 360 days a year from the age of 4 and shelling out over 50k a year to play per kid is what changed the game
lovely video man i enjoyed the pace and the vibe of it. relaxing.
Glad to hear it!
Forgot Crosby in 2007-2008 really started the speed and puck possession ideology. Add in Mcdavid and it basically solidified it. Along with your point about defensemen. I really think the 08-12 penguins and the 15 sens maybe even throw in the Lightning in there and it solidified speed and puck possession are the top priorities outside of goaltending. Also with open ice hits being reduced heavily in the crosby era really contributed to players being able to throw themselves full speed at the blue line where in some of the old days that could be a career ending decision.
Funny how Tampa bay, St. Louis and Vegas have won cups recently with a heavy physical D and a ferocious fore check, June hockey will always a war of attrition, getting the puck behind the D and physically dominating the blue paint at both ends.
Well said. Every time Minnesota or New Jersey came to town I just shuddered because I knew it would be the most boring hockey game every played, with next to no shots, no chances and no forecheck. Suffocating trap hockey is extremely boring to watch. Thank god teams have found a way to put an end to it pretty consistently.
Yes, it's fun to an extent to watch old films of hockey games and perhaps long for how the game was played back then. However, the contrast of the speed and skill of today's players compared to players of years past is amazing. Currently, scoring is up, balance throughout the league is mostly good, and the playoffs appear wide open. In my opinion, there should be little complaining about the state of hockey in the NHL today.
Vegas averaged a whopping 4.00 goals scored per game in the '23 playoffs, and that made for some really exciting hockey.
While I like tough hockey, I do like the idea of smaller players being able to compete in the NHL. It’s more about talent than winning the genetic lottery with size. It makes the talent pool way bigger.
Love the video, man. Keep it up!
The new sticks (Old Wood Stick era dude) and the massive amount of force they are able to load up very quickly (Used to have to have a heavy Slap Shot to bend the stick to shoot, now a little snapper can get a 60 degree angel on the stick) have done away with a slap shot from the D at the Point. Plus the INSANE fell you have for the puck, its like you arent even holding a stick and could tell where it was manufactured by feeling the little letters on the side (for real had a little CANADA stamped into my lower back where my jersey came up and my pants ended and I caught a slapper with my back to the shooter during warm ups getting the pucks out of the net). JUST like in the NBA, Dunking the ball is over, now it's back up a step and take that 3 pointer.
Was a Kings fan beginning in the 74-75 "best franchise points" record season. Coach Pulford kept a disciplined defensive style of a mediocre team, but perseverance gave the Kings the 2nd highest point total in the NHL. Later Kings teams languished until Simmer came along, and by then the violent 70's climate was fading. After Gretzky came and went, I realized the great names of hockey were gone. The sport had lost its tradition and star players. After, I lost all interest in hockey, with only rare reminiscences of YT videos of the great 70's hockey.
Just my observations. The greatest practitioner of the NZT was Jacques Lemaire and the NJ Devils of the 90s. The Scotty Bowman Red Wings of the 90s/early 2000s played a more freewheeling style (if memory serves me right) as he would often use four forwards on the PP utilizing the many Russians on the team leading to the nickname of the Big Red Machine.And the Stars-Oilers rivalries of thar period were wild Western conference hockey.
Rubbish. New Jersey Devils perfected the trap. NHL changed a ton of rules. Players like Gretzky,Bure,Federov , always existed
Dude I’m sorry but you have no clue about sutter hockey. His teams play a fast heavy forchecking game. He didn’t even implement the trap for Calgary and for the kings every team played the trap back then lmao
I see all this as a natural progression of the game. The neutral zone trap died because players and coaches adapted to it. Also the rule changes favored more offense.
I grew up watching and playing hockey in the late 90's/early 2000s . I recently got back into watching hockey after taking a 10-ish year break from the game, and while I understand that the game has to evolve, I miss "old school" hockey as described in this video. There's more goals now, but it feels like it's always one team blowing out another team. I'd much rather have low scoring, tight games than what we have now, however, I know I'm in the minority. These new kids are fast asf though, which is cool.
I agree, but this is made possible not only by the speed and skill, but rather old school hockey allowed clutch and grab as well as some interference when skating into the zone. The NHL removed that, and that's what's allowing these players to do what they do, if they played back then with those rules, they wouldn't be able to achieve much. The game has changed because the NHL have changed the rules.
This is a very sad video.
I miss hockey the way it's supposed to be played. With heart and grit, not flash and flair.
Great video, loved the simple explanation especially since I am a new hockey fan.
Glad it was helpful!
Simple it’s because players want to play their own way and not actually buy into a structured system tht works.
I'm pretty sure Crosby came before McDavid. Imagine what scoring would be like today if Goalies were forced to stand and play like the style of the old days. Although, I bet Martin Brodeur would still give them a run for their money... I miss watching him play :(
Sutters teams are all based on puck possession yet you don’t talk about that
I think hockey goes through eras of more and less offense. The 1980s, for example, saw the greatest offensive dynasty in the Oilers. The league then went more defensive in the mid-90s with teams like Detroit dominating thanks to great defensemen and 2 way forwards. The league then became more offensive after the lockout and then defensive again with defensive play peaking around 10 years ago with the super low scoring Canadian National team winning the Olympic Gold Medal. The way I see it is that defensive and offensive coaches and players are continually challenging each other. It’s always one who has the upper hand for a period of 5-10 years then the other catches up and eventually surpasses them.
I would say that today's hockey is old school! My prediction is more puck possession and entering an leaving the offensive soon much more like 3 on 3 playing. No more dump and chase, just a lot of skating and much more fluent changes and no more fixed lines since possessions will last 2-3 minutes or more. Wearing out the defensive team by not allowing them to change. This will decrease the amount of goals. If it will create new rules, maybe?
to sum it up, European hockey took over
25% of games go to 3 on 3 OT/Shootout. Therefore teams have been loading up on skilled players that could excel at that.
Stick technology gives snap shots crazy velocity like never before.
Goalie pads have been shrunk
1-3-1 power plays
Refs call everything
It’s all added up to what we see today
Old school hockey had not Michigan goals. I don't like those types of goals, makes the game of hockey more like a circus.