@@LowEndMarauder well in that case wouldnt they have actually achieved being a real life no homers club. As they literally did form a new league to keep one person out
Thanks for this. Joe Hall passed away from complications due to influenza after the Canadiens and the Metropolitans played arguably the greatest hockey game ever. Players weren’t allowed to be substituted due to non-injuries. Game four of the 1919 Stanley Cup ended in a tie, with all of the players lying on the ice, due to exhaustion, after two OT periods.
Hi, how are you? Comment ca va? Although I was aware of the Seattle Vs.Montreal cup final, Joe Hall's passing R.I.P.) and the "O.G. Covid/influenza epidemic." Aka, "The Spanish Flu," Which in of itself was a misnomer because the Flu did not Start in Spain, or was it caused by the beautiful Spanish people, who's only "crime" was trying to warn the world about the danger! Most other countries just lied and said it was blown out of proportion and not a big issue. Back to Hockey! I was aware that the series was 2-2-1 , when it was canceled. What I did not know, was the specifics of the tie. Merci for that. I would like to ask you what book this information came from? So I could buy it myself and read more about this important and tragic event. If someone has a link, that would also be welcomed. :) I guess there is some info, that the ""NHL Guide and Record book" is lacking ;) Thanks for your time and to anyone else that can help. Also, I need to thank the creator of this mini Documentary. It has already proovided me with information, that I was not previously aware of. Cheers from Montreal Merci, et bon soir :)
Thanks for your quick reply. I was really hoping, someone like Brian McFarland had wrote a book about it :( Regardless, now I have a opening to the rabbit hole! Thanks for sending me in the right direstion. Cheers.
Low attendance in the inaugural season was due in part to WW1. The history of hockey is fascinating, and it would be another 50 years before it started to resemble the game we know today.
Indeed. That's why I don't put too much stake in fans who claim their team has won multiple Stanley Cups. Like, did you win them in the modern era, or when there were only 5 other teams?
Or was it raining outside?Was it on a Monday? Did the puck have a microchip in it? Did player A, sleep with player B's wife? You can go on for a long time, talking about the era"s, or amount of teams. The key thing to remember, is that regardless of all the different factors, through the years, All teams in that era, played by the same rules. So whoever won the cup, in whichever Season, deserves the win, unless there was some form of cheating, taking place. There are no asterisks, egraved on the Stanley Cup! Cheers from Montreal. Stanley Cup!
Hi again. I just wanted to throw in one more big change, throughout the years. From the time the NHL went from 20 to 21 teams, 16 out of 20, or 16 out of the 21 made the playoffs. Those are pretty good odds, that your team, would at least make the playoffs. 80% of them would at least have a shot at glory. Since San Jose got a franchise, the % has only gone down. Down to where, yout team's odds of making the playoffs, has fallen, to 50%. Now, does the team, who won Last year, Las Vegas, get a special * because there were more teams in the league when they won? Of course not! That would change the NHL record book into an 11 year old girls diary! These aeguments can be fun, in the bar, or a buddies man cave. The record book can be argued about, by fans. But the majority of fans, do realize, that the information in that book, is "etched in stone" and will not be changed" Cheers P.S. During the time of rhe "Original six" , guess what the odds of maing the Playoffs were? The answer is 4 out of 6 and the percentage, was 66.6. Please also remember, that although those early years, had less teams. The smaller amount of teams, meant that only the Top players, In North America will be playing. We can only imagine, how many great players, never got a chance to even show their skills :(
@@Pocketrocket-pj1uslol you need some history. WW1 started in July 1918, first nhl game was December 1917. Low attendance was due to split between the two game, plus many fans loyal to the nha
Can I imagine a time when players didn't wear helmets? I don't have to, that's how I grew up watching hockey. I started paying attention to hockey with the creation of the Buffalo Sabres in 1970. Only a few players wore helmets; goalies wore face-fitting masks rather than caged helmets, and there were still a few maskless goalies; no names on the back of sweaters; the goal crease was a rectangle instead of a half circle. I've seen a lot change since the early 70s.
I started watching hockey in 2000 and when a helmet fall off during play they continued on without it and always thought it was cool looking even though the new rule is for the best of course. As a kid seeing clips of Craig MacTavish be the last player to be allowed to play without a helmet because of being grandfathered was just a whole nother level of crazy
The first year I remember watching the NHL was the 1996-97 season. My family had just moved to the St. Louis area so I watched a lot of blues hockey. I remember there was one player, Craig Mactavish, who was still playing without a helmet. He retired at the end of the season as the last helmetless player. I didnt realize the significance of it at the time since I was so young, but I'm glad to say I got to see the very end of an era as a young kid.
Well said! I think overall, there have been so many changes in Hockey, we might as well find a new name for the sport! Lol One of the reasons the Goalies could "survive" without masks for so long, is because the Slap Shot was not commonly used until the later 50's and early 60's, with Boom Boom Geffrion and Bobby Hull, utilizing it on a normal basis!! But some goalies were still, Crazy like a Fox and wouldn't wear a mask, even when they looked worse than someone who fought Mike Tyson!! Lorne "Gump" Worsley was afraid of flying but never wore a mask, (as far as I know). But since you are older than me, (which makes me Jealous, as a Montreal fan. What I wouldn't give, to have been born in 46 or 47!). Sorry for the tangent. So I was going to ask you, if you ever saw "Gump" play with a mask?? I know in photos and Hockey cards, he was always, without protection. ;) But you saw much more than me so, If you get the chance, please let me know. Salut from Montreal :)
@@Pocketrocket-pj1usAccording to Wikipedia, Gump wore a mask only for the last six games of his career. As for my age, I was nine when the Sabres first hit the ice.
The reason the Habs arena burned down twice is because it was an unlikely duo of Brad Marchand and Auston Matthews going back in time trying to eliminate the Canadiens before they got big
This may be the first time since the 90's, that an (assumed) Bruin's fan has made me laugh! Lol for you sir. My best friend in high school, was a Bruins fan and this was right around 86 to 94!! One of the greatest eras, in the Bruins & Canadiens rivalry. Especially if you consider the playoff, head to head matchups! I believe 2 of those matchups went the full 7 games. As I'm guessing you know, the Canadiens had beat the Bruins, over 30 times in a row, in Playoff matchups, heading in to the 88, 2nd round series!!! So when the 88, 90, 91, 92 and 94 matchups, were all Bruins wins! I was shocked!! I think 86, 87 and 89, were the only Montreal victories, against the Bruins, in the 86 to 94 span. It was a crazy time, for both teams, with Montreal & Boston also representing the Prince of Wales Confrence, in the Stanley Cup finals, a total of 5 times during the years of 86 to 94 The Canadiens went 2 and 1, splitting the 86 and 89 finals against Calgary and beating the Kings, in 93. The Bruins had tough Luck, losing in the finals, both times, against the Superpowered, Oilers dynasty. They got swept both times, with 1 tie ;) I'll let the new fans look that one up, although I will say, it was a dark time. People still argue to this day, if Patrick Roy could have beaten the Oilers...or Penguins, in 93. Just to let you know. All of my information is from memory. So if there is an error, in my recollections, I apologize. So I'll stop here, thank you again for the great Joke. I also toast you, with hope and anticipation, for the next chapter, in Hockey's greatest rivalry! :) Cheers from Montreal P.S. My best friend, who was a Bruins fan, landed up showing his real colors, in 1993, only to prove he was a bandwagon jumper, in 94. There's nothing like a Cup win, to bring a city together. P.P.S. My favorite Baseball team, is The Boston Red Sox and that fandom only got stronger, in 2004. So I do Love the city of Boston, Fenway park and the green monster!!!
Thanks for using a picture of my great grandfather Louis Berlinguette! He's the stern looking fellow at 4:18 unimpressed by two Montreal arenas burning down. Never got to meet him, but always cool to bump into him in videos like these.
Great job on this one. Would love to see a video on the wild 1924-25 NHL season, including the rise and fall of the Hamilton Tigers and the Stanley Cup triumph of the Victoria Cougars, the last non-NHL team to win the Cup.
Welcome! Bienvenue! "To the greatest show on earth." How are you doing? Hopefully enjoying the last weeks of Summer and as you said, getting ready for the hard hiting Action, only Hockey can give! My name is Steve. I've been a fan since 1985 and I'm a few years from 50. I was unlucky and lucky enough, to be born in the most happening Home of Hockey, since the days of les Habitants, Montreal, Quebec Canada. Do you have a favorite team, or has a team adopted you. LoL By that I mean, if you grow up in certain areas of North America, your family may have passed on their favorite music, movies, video games and of course, Sports! Some kids will naturally rebel from having anything pushed upon them, without much of a choice. Me? My Grandparents had me loving Baseball, before I could talk and that's the unfortunate part! (Of being born here. LoL). Considering how long it's been, since our team left. There are now teenagers that were born after MLB & Baseball had left it's dirty cleatprints on our fine city! (To keep this short(er). I'll spend only a bit more time with 'Nos Amours.' The Montreal Expos started play in 1969 and I left the last official home game, in 2004. In Montreal some of us say the following, about MLB and their "League of Nightmares" 'Thank you, Fukc you, C'est tout.' The french part means, 'That's all folks!' So luckily for us, even though we had one of the least successful Baseball teams of all time....with Hockey it was the complete opposite. I won't go into stats and details but I did want to tell you, that Hockey is in our Blood. It's also our religion and lately, (the last 30 years!! Lol) we have had a crises, of "biblical proportions" but there is some Sun, streaking through the clouds, dekeing and dangling it's way through. Like most of the older fans we take things in stride but there are only so many 5 year plans and soft reboots a fan can take, before our patients runs out. But to say hope will one day run out, is just a bunch of dumb pucks! ;) To borrow from Baseball, 'On opening day, we are all (tied) for first place!!' "And the only place to go, is down." Lol ;) The last part, was not part of the original quote. I added it, for pessimistic purposes. So, if you're still here. Thanks for reading and I hope I did not scare you away, from the fastest game around! Please feel free to write me back if you want. Sometimes it might take some time to respond. But just like, Les Canadiens, we'll get BACK as soon as possible ;)
No need to imagine hockey played sans helmets. Some of us saw and did it that way. I miss the time when the boards were just plain white and more. Nice job, keep it up!
And now they've added advertisements to the jerseys?!? I always knew it would get there, I just didn't think it would go so smoothly. I expected some backlash. But to be honest. I have not been paying too much attention, over the last few years because of illness and just a lack of passion. Maybe there were protests about tha advertisements. Please let me know, if someone has that nfo. Cheers from Montreal
I'm old enough (I have been saying this far too often lately!) to remember when players didn't wear helmets. It really wasn't all that long ago. Lots of players who joined the league before 1979 were not wearing helmets well into the 1990s. Craig MacTavish didn't wear a helmet in the 96-97 season!
Yeah, Craig MacTavish was the last player not wearing a helmet, and I also remember seeing Harold Snepsts and Doug Wilson didn't wear helmet either which surprised me a bit when I first stared to watch NHL games in 1990.
In baseball's NL the 1899 St. Louis Perfectos (Cardinals) and Cleveland Spiders (disbanded after 99) were owned by the same brothers. They dumped all of Cleveland's best players into St. Louis to try and build a 'perfect' club. The Perfectos finished I believe 4th. The Spiders earned the worst record of all time at 20-134.
@@johnburns9634 New York Rangers were the first visiting team to win in the Forum in 1928, beating the Maroons! The Forum was home to both the Maroons and Canadiens.
@@johnburns9634 correct, although it was the Maroons that lost at the Forum in 1928 not the Canadiens, the forum was home to both teams, until the Maroons folded. But they won in 1926 in the forum as the home team, Canadiens 3rd cup was their first in the forum in 1930 vs Boston.
It’s funny that the NHA had an issue with Livingstone owning 2 teams. When the League started in 1909 Ambrose O’Brian controlled 4 clubs (Renfrew, Cobalt, Haileybury and the Canadians)
Livingstone apparently was also feuding with the Senators' owner and was generally just disliked by the other owners, they were looking for any excuse to get rid of him
Good video, but one minor correction: the PCHA never had 6 teams at once. New Westminster moved to Portland, while Victoria moved to Spokane for one season, then were dormant for a season, and returned to Victoria. Thus in 1917-18 there were only 3 teams competing (Vancouver, Seattle, Portland).
@@tygrkhat4087 Pretty much, though initially was 7 because of the Wanderers. The Quebec Bulldogs would also return to join the NHL the following year to bump the NHL back to 4 teams, and then they'd move to Hamilton for a few years. Also notable fact about the PCHA, Seattle were the first team from that league to win the Stanley Cup (and I think might've been the only one, the league folded after the 1925-26 season so they weren't competing for too long). And when the league did fold, the Victoria Cougars and Portland Rosebuds merged their contracted players with two newly formed NHL teams, the Detroit Cougars and Chicago Black Hawks. It's really crazy to look back and see how much that league had its own influence on the NHL, too.
Awesome info, that I was not aware of. Did your info come from Wikipedia, a websire, or a specific book? I'd really like to learn more about the Western side of hockey, back then. So any info would greatly appreciate it. Cheers from Montreal
This is a very cool video. You should do more comparisons like early 1900's sticks compared to today's sticks and talk about how different the game was back then. For example before the zamboni was invented most people used a barrel full of hot water on a sled or on wheels that one or more men would pull. It was called a hand flooder. Some were more handmade than others which were well-welded things. The barrel was made to leak on purpose and the water would end up in a net that would spread the water more-or-less evenly. Some other guys had to use brooms to work on the imperfections of the ice. My grandpa did all this back when he was young in the 40's and 50's, he ended up being in charge of his hometown's arena and in the 60's the Leafs would come here to practice before a game against the Canadiens because the ice was ready before other nearby arenas and the team could practice without fear of being spied on. That was back when Punch Imlach was coaching. We had no zambonis over here up until the 70's. My grandpa is 85 and still kicking.
I'm 33 and I played with a wooden hockey stick during my childhood, the new sticks came out when I was around 13 so its only been the last 2 decades of the new sticks. Damn I am old...
The Toronto Arenas only became known by that name later. Originally they were just the Toronto hockey team, made up of former players of the Blue Shirts. They became known as the Arenas because of the rink they played in -- Arena Gardens.
To also note, Defenceman Dave Ritchie of the Montreal Wanderers is credited for scoring the first goal (against the Toronto Arenas) in the history of the NHL! The Wanderers would beat the Arenas 10-9.
That's crazy!! ,I mentioned in another post, how the Wanderers only won 1 game. I did not know, it was the 1st game played, in the league! Thanks for the info! Cheers from Montreal
I love when kids are like, could you imagine a time before this? Yea? Most modern stuff is pretty new. Mandatory helmets are pretty new and mandatory visors are really new haha. Just a funny thing I noticed. Cool video
Anyone else want a Montreal Wanderers jersey? That’s a cool old school logo. Also, “using sticks as swords” is a good way to get me to watch your video.
It wasn’t that long ago that visors were required. I still remember watching players who were grandfathered in the helmet rule and were still helmetless
Was it ever concluded what made the two arenas burn down? With the very limited information I have, I can't help but wonder if Eddie Livingstone had something to do with it...
I don't know the exact year helmets became mandatory, but a lot of players started wearing them after Minnesota North Stars center Bill Masterton died after hitting his head on the ice during a game in 1968. The Bill Masterton Memorial trophy is named in his honor.
Great video! A bunch of info, in a short documentary. 'A beauty' I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this yet but just in case... When their arena burnt down and they became a team without a home, nomads or literally, "Wanderers" (too soon? ;) They had only 1 Win, to show for their time in the new League. The logistic problem was, what to do about the 'Wanderer's' remaining games on the schedule?? The answer, was nothing exciting. Each of the teams, with games remaining against the defunct team, would be awarded with 2 points and one W. Like I said, not groundbreaking info but just the final nail, in a sad teams coffin :( The only good news, was that there were many, many more teams that called Montreal home. With one of these teams, winning a Stanley Cup while in the NHL, (The Maroons). The city also won a bunch of Coupe Stanley's, with other teams, before the creation of the NHL. There were the Montreal A.A.A. , which stood for, Amateur Athletic Association and who were the first winners of the Stanley Cup, in 1893. There were also the Victorias, Shamrocks and Arenas. These "other" Montreal teams, accounted for 16, Stanley Cup victories, in all!!! This was all before the first NHL game was played! There is one other Cup win, by a Montreal team, that is normally Not included, on this list. The Montreal Canadiens Won their very First Stanley Cup, 1 year before the formation of the NHL. This is why, some say the Canadiens have won 23 cups. If the pre NHL cup is included, (because it was won by the same franchise.) The total is 24. Merci from Montreal P.S. Please feel free to send me a message, as I am a Hockey nerd and can talk, or type until, 'The Cup Comes Home.' ;)
Why was Don Marshall's picture shown (3:17) while you are discussing the 1910-20 era of the NHL? Donny broke into the league in 1951 and played to 1972.
The Original Six era actually started with the 1942-43 season after the Brooklyn Americans (previously the New York Americans) folded after the 1941-42 season.
Yup, the original six aren't actually the original teams (except Montreal). The term actually refers to the teams before the 67 expansion doubled the six of the league.
@@rbourne35 Also Toronto Arena is Toronto Maple Leafs, they just did not have any name at that time. And also they kinda are the same team as Toronto Blue Shirts because all the Blue Shirts players just jumped to NHL and Arenas instead of not playing against anybody in NHA. But as a legal entity they are different organization.
Imagine playing without helmets. Yeah, like when I was a kid. Less than 50 years ago. There are active coaches in the league who played when most players still didn't wear helmets (Lindy Ruff, Rick Bowness), though they were younger players at the time so did wear them. Also arenas and stadiums burning down was pretty common before around 1920. Most famous was the fire that destroyed the Polo Grounds, home of the NY Giants, during the 1911 season. It was rebuilt in time for the Giants to play the second half of the season, and the World Series, there. They worked fast in those days.
NHL history is super facinating. I actually like the history more than the present! lol! It's neat when you know who the historic players are before the video even says! Yeah, those sticks cracked a lotta skulls. Check out "The Richard Riot". A grisley event that ignited on ice, but spread off ice and had huge cultural ramifications. "The Rocket" is the best player I've never seen! (live as a player) \m/
I know it late but the reason the goalies can drop their knees to save the puck bc they response to the Sens goalies (Clint Benedict) who always falling to make a save. And Quebec Bulldogs not join first season because their player are from EU and they are joining the WW1 so they choosing to skip the season until return on 18-19 season.
Look at that flex on Matthews twig, lol... It's ridiculous.... Look, as a hockey fan I have sticks from all eras and those old wooden straight-blade sticks - I don't know how guys played with them. I've tried to give them a go but they're just shit - but I respect the history of the game, look you have to start somewhere... Also, back then there was no forward passing (same for NA football too) so forwards had to carry the puck into the zone and if they wanted to move the puck they would have to pass behind them.. Which of course is why they had "rovers" - yes - they had a 6th "attacker" that was like a 3rd defenseman.... Man, the game has changed a lot since 1917 and the game we know and love today wasn't really born until the Original 6 - before that the Stanley Cup was a "challenge cup" and it was for the taking by any team from any league.... Hockey history is fascinating, eh?
...and let's not forget that the answer to "what team in the NHL won only one game in it's entire inaugural season?" kelly bundy: "the montreal wanderes, won their home-opener, lost the next seven then their stadium burned down" alas, even this knowledge did not help al bundy become a winner, as kelly got the wrong answer to "name the polk high football superstar who scored four touch-downs in a single game." kelly: "uh....red squeeze buzzer?" poor al........
You forgot to mention that at that time, there was an extra skater on the ice known as the "rover". Unlike the other players, the rover did not have a set position and roamed the ice at will, going where needed, much as a midfielder in association football.
I believe the rover remained in the PCHL into the 20’s but never made it to the NHL. Not sure how they navigated this during Stanley Cup contests though
It’s the erly days of professional sports what to expect You can have sports teams in the middle of no where in the biggest towns you never heard of, you can get out for a injured thumb stuff like that
While I'm sure there were more injuries because of the lack of helmets and masks. However, no blade was curved and the slapshot was not used. So the puck wasn't exactly flying around like it is today.
and now we live in a time when the cup is determined by a regions tax status combined with the teams closeness to the equator, which is directly correlated to the leagues willingness to put up the the LTIR loophole abuse. What a time to be alive. Canadian teams struggle to keep players because we tax people for things like roads, health care and living in a society and have weather conducive to having ice some times of the year (for now, at least.) What an unreal ride the NHL has had.
I was actually getting into this video until 6:15 when we literally skipped 60 years of changes and the video ends ☹ Would have been cool to go decade by decade talking about changes, expansions, rules, equipment etc.
I wouldn't go so far as to say there are NHL teams having an occupying presence over ALL of North America, just the U.S. and Canada. I once heard a rumor of a Mexican hockey club, but they are perished aboard the team submarine due tot he screen door hatch--something along those lines.
This is a pretty good history lesson
With terrible production quality: A Canadiens logo that's pixelated, and the fake film effects through the whole thing. Lame.
@@Paul_Halickiyour such a goof😂
It will never cease to amuse me that the NHL's founding was a half-step away from being a real life No Homer's Club situation.
They’re only allowed to have one.
Not a big simpsons guy but i saw that episode for sure. Still dk what u mean specifically
@@zkid001 Making a club or in this case a new club specifically to exclude one person
@@LowEndMarauder well in that case wouldnt they have actually achieved being a real life no homers club. As they literally did form a new league to keep one person out
@@zkid001. A no HomerS club can have one homer.
Thanks for this. Joe Hall passed away from complications due to influenza after the Canadiens and the Metropolitans played arguably the greatest hockey game ever.
Players weren’t allowed to be substituted due to non-injuries.
Game four of the 1919 Stanley Cup ended in a tie, with all of the players lying on the ice, due to exhaustion, after two OT periods.
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Although I was aware of the Seattle Vs.Montreal cup final, Joe Hall's passing R.I.P.) and the "O.G. Covid/influenza epidemic." Aka, "The Spanish Flu," Which in of itself was a misnomer because the Flu did not Start in Spain, or was it caused by the beautiful Spanish people, who's only "crime" was trying to warn the world about the danger! Most other countries just lied and said it was blown out of proportion and not a big issue.
Back to Hockey! I was aware that the series was 2-2-1 , when it was canceled.
What I did not know, was the specifics of the tie.
Merci for that. I would like to ask you what book this information came from? So I could buy it myself and read more about this important and tragic event. If someone has a link, that would also be welcomed.
:)
I guess there is some info, that the ""NHL Guide and Record book" is lacking ;)
Thanks for your time and to anyone else that can help. Also, I need to thank the creator of this mini Documentary. It has already proovided me with information, that I was not previously aware of.
Cheers from Montreal
Merci, et bon soir :)
@@Pocketrocket-pj1us
Wikipedia 1919 Stanley Cup Final Game Four.
Thanks for your quick reply.
I was really hoping, someone like Brian McFarland had wrote a book about it :(
Regardless, now I have a opening to the rabbit hole!
Thanks for sending me in the right direstion.
Cheers.
Low attendance in the inaugural season was due in part to WW1. The history of hockey is fascinating, and it would be another 50 years before it started to resemble the game we know today.
Yep, that and the Spanish flu didn’t exactly help either. 😊
Indeed. That's why I don't put too much stake in fans who claim their team has won multiple Stanley Cups. Like, did you win them in the modern era, or when there were only 5 other teams?
Or was it raining outside?Was it on a Monday? Did the puck have a microchip in it? Did player A, sleep with player B's wife?
You can go on for a long time, talking about the era"s, or amount of teams.
The key thing to remember, is that regardless of all the different factors, through the years,
All teams in that era, played by the same rules. So whoever won the cup, in whichever
Season, deserves the win, unless there was some form of cheating, taking place.
There are no asterisks, egraved on the Stanley Cup!
Cheers from Montreal.
Stanley Cup!
Hi again.
I just wanted to throw in one more big change, throughout the years.
From the time the NHL went from 20 to 21 teams, 16 out of 20, or 16 out of the 21 made the playoffs.
Those are pretty good odds, that your team, would at least make the playoffs. 80% of them would at least have a shot at glory.
Since San Jose got a franchise, the % has only gone down. Down to where, yout team's odds of making the playoffs, has fallen, to 50%.
Now, does the team, who won Last year, Las Vegas, get a special * because there were more teams in the league when they won?
Of course not! That would change the NHL record book into an 11 year old girls diary!
These aeguments can be fun, in the bar, or a buddies man cave.
The record book can be argued about, by fans.
But the majority of fans, do realize, that the information in that book, is "etched in stone" and will not be changed"
Cheers
P.S. During the time of rhe "Original six" , guess what the odds of maing the Playoffs were?
The answer is 4 out of 6 and the percentage, was 66.6.
Please also remember, that although those early years, had less teams. The smaller amount of teams, meant that only the Top players,
In North America will be playing.
We can only imagine, how many great players, never got a chance to even show their skills :(
@@Pocketrocket-pj1uslol you need some history. WW1 started in July 1918, first nhl game was December 1917. Low attendance was due to split between the two game, plus many fans loyal to the nha
Can I imagine a time when players didn't wear helmets? I don't have to, that's how I grew up watching hockey. I started paying attention to hockey with the creation of the Buffalo Sabres in 1970. Only a few players wore helmets; goalies wore face-fitting masks rather than caged helmets, and there were still a few maskless goalies; no names on the back of sweaters; the goal crease was a rectangle instead of a half circle. I've seen a lot change since the early 70s.
I started watching hockey in 2000 and when a helmet fall off during play they continued on without it and always thought it was cool looking even though the new rule is for the best of course.
As a kid seeing clips of Craig MacTavish be the last player to be allowed to play without a helmet because of being grandfathered was just a whole nother level of crazy
The first year I remember watching the NHL was the 1996-97 season. My family had just moved to the St. Louis area so I watched a lot of blues hockey. I remember there was one player, Craig Mactavish, who was still playing without a helmet. He retired at the end of the season as the last helmetless player. I didnt realize the significance of it at the time since I was so young, but I'm glad to say I got to see the very end of an era as a young kid.
I started as a young boy sitting on my grand father's knee watching the Sabres in the early 70's. Peter Puck!
Well said! I think overall, there have been so many changes in Hockey, we might as well find a new name for the sport! Lol
One of the reasons the Goalies could "survive" without masks for so long, is because the Slap Shot was not commonly used until the later 50's and early 60's, with Boom Boom Geffrion and Bobby Hull, utilizing it on a normal basis!!
But some goalies were still, Crazy like a Fox and wouldn't wear a mask, even when they looked worse than someone who fought Mike Tyson!!
Lorne "Gump" Worsley was afraid of flying but never wore a mask, (as far as I know). But since you are older than me, (which makes me Jealous, as a Montreal fan. What I wouldn't give, to have been born in 46 or 47!). Sorry for the tangent. So I was going to ask you, if you ever saw "Gump" play with a mask?? I know in photos and Hockey cards, he was always, without protection. ;) But you saw much more than me so,
If you get the chance, please let me know.
Salut from Montreal :)
@@Pocketrocket-pj1usAccording to Wikipedia, Gump wore a mask only for the last six games of his career. As for my age, I was nine when the Sabres first hit the ice.
The reason the Habs arena burned down twice is because it was an unlikely duo of Brad Marchand and Auston Matthews going back in time trying to eliminate the Canadiens before they got big
This may be the first time since the 90's, that an (assumed) Bruin's fan
has made me laugh! Lol
for you sir.
My best friend in high school, was a Bruins fan and this was right around 86 to 94!!
One of the greatest eras, in the Bruins & Canadiens rivalry. Especially if you consider the playoff, head to head matchups! I believe 2 of those matchups went the full 7 games.
As I'm guessing you know, the Canadiens had beat the Bruins, over 30 times in a row, in Playoff matchups, heading in to the 88, 2nd round series!!!
So when the 88, 90, 91, 92 and 94 matchups, were all Bruins wins! I was shocked!!
I think 86, 87 and 89, were the only Montreal victories, against the Bruins, in the 86 to 94 span.
It was a crazy time, for both teams, with Montreal & Boston also representing the Prince of Wales Confrence, in the Stanley Cup finals, a total of 5 times during the years of 86 to 94
The Canadiens went 2 and 1, splitting the 86 and 89 finals against Calgary and beating the Kings, in 93.
The Bruins had tough Luck, losing in the finals, both times, against the Superpowered, Oilers dynasty. They got swept both times, with 1 tie ;) I'll let the new fans look that one up, although I will say, it was a dark time.
People still argue to this day, if Patrick Roy could have beaten the Oilers...or Penguins, in 93.
Just to let you know. All of my information is from memory. So if there is an error, in my recollections, I apologize.
So I'll stop here, thank you again for the great Joke. I also toast you, with hope and anticipation, for the next chapter, in Hockey's greatest rivalry! :)
Cheers from Montreal
P.S. My best friend, who was a Bruins fan, landed up showing his real colors, in 1993, only to prove he was a bandwagon jumper, in 94.
There's nothing like a Cup win, to bring a city together.
P.P.S. My favorite Baseball team, is The Boston Red Sox and that fandom only got stronger, in 2004. So I do Love the city of Boston, Fenway park and the green monster!!!
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@@Lady_Graham cringy kid
@@Lady_Grahambro literally explode. That guy is having fun and you're being a jerk
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Thanks for using a picture of my great grandfather Louis Berlinguette! He's the stern looking fellow at 4:18 unimpressed by two Montreal arenas burning down. Never got to meet him, but always cool to bump into him in videos like these.
That's amazing!
He's my dad
Great job on this one. Would love to see a video on the wild 1924-25 NHL season, including the rise and fall of the Hamilton Tigers and the Stanley Cup triumph of the Victoria Cougars, the last non-NHL team to win the Cup.
More of these please. New hockey fans (like myself need to watch these) can’t wait for Oct.
Welcome!
Bienvenue!
"To the greatest show on earth."
How are you doing? Hopefully enjoying the last weeks of Summer and as you said, getting ready for the hard hiting Action, only Hockey can give!
My name is Steve. I've been a fan since 1985 and I'm a few years from 50. I was unlucky and lucky enough, to be born in the most happening Home of Hockey, since the days of les Habitants, Montreal, Quebec Canada.
Do you have a favorite team, or has a team adopted you. LoL
By that I mean, if you grow up in certain areas of North America, your family may have passed on their favorite music, movies, video games and of course, Sports!
Some kids will naturally rebel from having anything pushed upon them, without much of a choice.
Me? My Grandparents had me loving Baseball, before I could talk and that's the unfortunate
part! (Of being born here. LoL).
Considering how long it's been, since our team left. There are now teenagers that were born after MLB & Baseball had left it's dirty cleatprints on our fine city!
(To keep this short(er). I'll spend only a bit more time with 'Nos Amours.'
The Montreal Expos started play in 1969 and I left the last official home game, in 2004.
In Montreal some of us say the following, about MLB and their "League of Nightmares" 'Thank you, Fukc you, C'est tout.'
The french part means, 'That's all folks!'
So luckily for us, even though we had one of the least successful Baseball teams of all time....with Hockey it was the complete opposite.
I won't go into stats and details but I did want to tell you, that Hockey is in our Blood. It's also our religion and lately, (the last 30 years!! Lol) we have had a crises, of "biblical proportions" but there is some Sun, streaking through the clouds, dekeing and dangling it's way through.
Like most of the older fans we take things in stride but there are only so many 5 year plans and soft reboots a fan can take, before our patients runs out. But to say hope will one day run out, is just a bunch of dumb pucks! ;)
To borrow from Baseball,
'On opening day, we are all (tied) for first place!!'
"And the only place to go, is down." Lol ;) The last part, was not part of the original quote. I added it, for pessimistic purposes.
So, if you're still here.
Thanks for reading and I hope I did not scare you away, from the fastest game around!
Please feel free to write me back if you want. Sometimes it might take some time to respond.
But just like, Les Canadiens, we'll get BACK as soon as possible ;)
No need to imagine hockey played sans helmets. Some of us saw and did it that way. I miss the time when the boards were just plain white and more. Nice job, keep it up!
And now they've added advertisements to the jerseys?!? I always knew it would get there, I just didn't think it would go so smoothly. I expected some backlash.
But to be honest. I have not been paying too much attention, over the last few years because of illness and just a lack of passion.
Maybe there were protests about tha advertisements.
Please let me know, if someone has that nfo.
Cheers from Montreal
I'm old enough (I have been saying this far too often lately!) to remember when players didn't wear helmets. It really wasn't all that long ago. Lots of players who joined the league before 1979 were not wearing helmets well into the 1990s. Craig MacTavish didn't wear a helmet in the 96-97 season!
Yeah, Craig MacTavish was the last player not wearing a helmet, and I also remember seeing Harold Snepsts and Doug Wilson didn't wear helmet either which surprised me a bit when I first stared to watch NHL games in 1990.
Love seeing the Metropolitans finally mentioned!!!!! So cool how the Kraken paid respect to that as well!!!!
A legend in the making got ‘em old ass skates shaking and ‘em limbs breaking, ‘plus ‘em….
(Continue please…)
Great video. A historical look at Hockey is always a treat.
Fascinating piece of sport history! Thanks Livingstone for being such a personality that drove other team owners away and creating NHL. :)
A fire starting in the ice making plant is the most ironic thing I've heard in some time lol
In baseball's NL the 1899 St. Louis Perfectos (Cardinals) and Cleveland Spiders (disbanded after 99) were owned by the same brothers. They dumped all of Cleveland's best players into St. Louis to try and build a 'perfect' club. The Perfectos finished I believe 4th. The Spiders earned the worst record of all time at 20-134.
This makes the 2024 white Sox being 37-120 even funnier, they were like trying to win
Montreal Maroons won the cup in 1926, first team to raise the cup in the Forum!
Calgary Flames were the second visiting team to do it in 1989.
@@johnburns9634 New York Rangers were the first visiting team to win in the Forum in 1928, beating the Maroons! The Forum was home to both the Maroons and Canadiens.
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But the Canadiens only lost the Cup at home twice.
@@johnburns9634 correct, although it was the Maroons that lost at the Forum in 1928 not the Canadiens, the forum was home to both teams, until the Maroons folded. But they won in 1926 in the forum as the home team, Canadiens 3rd cup was their first in the forum in 1930 vs Boston.
@@amsro9094 Canadiens also won the Cup before the NHL. They knew hockey!
Awesome video!!!can you do a video about the 1905 Stanley cup finals between Ottawa senators and the Dawson City Nuggets
I’ll definitely do more historical videos!
@@HecticHockey that 1905 is wild the journey the Dawson City team had to make to get to Ottawa. There should be a movie about them
It’s funny that the NHA had an issue with Livingstone owning 2 teams. When the League started in 1909 Ambrose O’Brian controlled 4 clubs (Renfrew, Cobalt, Haileybury and the Canadians)
Detroit and Chicago were owned by the same family/corporation for most of the 40's and 50's? Why nobody complained is a mystery.
Livingstone apparently was also feuding with the Senators' owner and was generally just disliked by the other owners, they were looking for any excuse to get rid of him
Good video, but one minor correction: the PCHA never had 6 teams at once. New Westminster moved to Portland, while Victoria moved to Spokane for one season, then were dormant for a season, and returned to Victoria. Thus in 1917-18 there were only 3 teams competing (Vancouver, Seattle, Portland).
Ah thank you!
So for most of the 1917-18 season, there were only six teams between the NHL and PCHA?
@@tygrkhat4087 Pretty much, though initially was 7 because of the Wanderers. The Quebec Bulldogs would also return to join the NHL the following year to bump the NHL back to 4 teams, and then they'd move to Hamilton for a few years.
Also notable fact about the PCHA, Seattle were the first team from that league to win the Stanley Cup (and I think might've been the only one, the league folded after the 1925-26 season so they weren't competing for too long). And when the league did fold, the Victoria Cougars and Portland Rosebuds merged their contracted players with two newly formed NHL teams, the Detroit Cougars and Chicago Black Hawks. It's really crazy to look back and see how much that league had its own influence on the NHL, too.
Awesome info, that I was not aware of. Did your info come from Wikipedia,
a websire, or a specific book?
I'd really like to learn more about the Western side of hockey, back then. So any info would greatly appreciate it.
Cheers from Montreal
@@LordPichuPalI’m pretty sure Vancouver won one in that time too but it was pretty nhl dominant
Well done. Informative, with some witty commentary. Far superior to most "sports" videos on RUclips.
Thank you!!
Joe Malone doesn’t get enough reconnaissance for his amazing scoring ability.
Greatest goal scorer to ever play.
Recognition?
Good video! Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
At 6:50 nice clip of Winnipeg’s
CPR station and the Royal Alexandria Hotel.
3:31 "The fire started in the ice making plant" Is a WILD sentence LMAOO 🤣
just found this channel and already love it!! great content 💯
Glad you enjoy it!
The Wanderers played in the Westmount Arena, which is a suburb of Montreal.
This is a very cool video. You should do more comparisons like early 1900's sticks compared to today's sticks and talk about how different the game was back then. For example before the zamboni was invented most people used a barrel full of hot water on a sled or on wheels that one or more men would pull. It was called a hand flooder. Some were more handmade than others which were well-welded things. The barrel was made to leak on purpose and the water would end up in a net that would spread the water more-or-less evenly. Some other guys had to use brooms to work on the imperfections of the ice. My grandpa did all this back when he was young in the 40's and 50's, he ended up being in charge of his hometown's arena and in the 60's the Leafs would come here to practice before a game against the Canadiens because the ice was ready before other nearby arenas and the team could practice without fear of being spied on. That was back when Punch Imlach was coaching. We had no zambonis over here up until the 70's. My grandpa is 85 and still kicking.
Did anyone ever suspect Livingstone was the one setting these fires? Really interesting stuff, hope you continue this series!
I'm 33 and I played with a wooden hockey stick during my childhood, the new sticks came out when I was around 13 so its only been the last 2 decades of the new sticks.
Damn I am old...
I truly didn't expect to laugh during this.
But i definitely did especially with the shots fired on the coyotes. Great stuff dude.
The Toronto Arenas only became known by that name later. Originally they were just the Toronto hockey team, made up of former players of the Blue Shirts. They became known as the Arenas because of the rink they played in -- Arena Gardens.
A Toronto team, playing at the Garden!?? That won't catch on! Never ;)
Cheeers :)
"Two men used their sticks as weapons and were ultimately arrested in Toronto" making them both finalists for the Dino Ciccarelli trophy.
Great video. I dare you to do a video on George Hainsworth and other early goalie records.
That could be interesting
or Joe Malone scoring 7 goals in a single game
The Toronto Blue Shirts how creative 🤣
To also note, Defenceman Dave Ritchie of the Montreal Wanderers is credited for scoring the first goal (against the Toronto Arenas) in the history of the NHL!
The Wanderers would beat the Arenas 10-9.
That's crazy!! ,I mentioned in another post, how the Wanderers only won 1 game. I did not know, it was the 1st game played, in the league!
Thanks for the info!
Cheers from Montreal
I'm a big fan of Canada and USA having combined sports. But it is funny how football we have our separate leagues
I love when kids are like, could you imagine a time before this? Yea? Most modern stuff is pretty new. Mandatory helmets are pretty new and mandatory visors are really new haha. Just a funny thing I noticed. Cool video
5:21 Canaries. As in the bird. They were dubbed that because they wore bright yellow sweaters.
7:05 "All of North America" Imagine if Mexico had a team in the NHL. The Tijuana Chiclets
The NHA changed to the NHL to get away from Toronto....learned this in University.
Anyone else want a Montreal Wanderers jersey? That’s a cool old school logo. Also, “using sticks as swords” is a good way to get me to watch your video.
If I'm not mistaken, the wanderers arena is where the Westmount arena is now
Joe 44 goals and 4 assists "My teammates suck" Malone.
It wasn’t that long ago that visors were required. I still remember watching players who were grandfathered in the helmet rule and were still helmetless
Was it ever concluded what made the two arenas burn down? With the very limited information I have, I can't help but wonder if Eddie Livingstone had something to do with it...
I don't know the exact year helmets became mandatory, but a lot of players started wearing them after Minnesota North Stars center Bill Masterton died after hitting his head on the ice during a game in 1968. The Bill Masterton Memorial trophy is named in his honor.
Why did you do the time conversion for the damages to the arena but not for players salaries?
Ah didn’t think of that
@@HecticHockey haha fair enough
Great video! A bunch of info, in a short documentary. 'A beauty'
I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this yet but just in case...
When their arena burnt down and they became a team without a home, nomads or literally, "Wanderers" (too soon? ;)
They had only 1 Win, to show for their time in the new League.
The logistic problem was, what to do about the 'Wanderer's' remaining games on the schedule??
The answer, was nothing exciting. Each of the teams, with games remaining against the defunct team, would be awarded with 2 points and one W.
Like I said, not groundbreaking info but just the final nail, in a sad teams coffin :(
The only good news, was that there were many, many more teams that called Montreal home.
With one of these teams, winning a Stanley Cup while in the NHL, (The Maroons).
The city also won a bunch of Coupe Stanley's, with other teams, before the creation of the NHL.
There were the Montreal A.A.A. , which stood for, Amateur Athletic Association and who were the first winners of the Stanley Cup, in 1893.
There were also the Victorias, Shamrocks and Arenas. These "other" Montreal teams, accounted for 16, Stanley Cup victories, in all!!!
This was all before the first NHL game was played!
There is one other Cup win, by a Montreal team, that is normally Not included, on this list.
The Montreal Canadiens Won their very First Stanley Cup, 1 year before the formation of the NHL.
This is why, some say the Canadiens have won 23 cups. If the pre NHL cup is included, (because it was won by the same franchise.) The total is 24.
Merci from Montreal
P.S. Please feel free to send me a message, as I am a Hockey nerd and can talk, or type until,
'The Cup Comes Home.'
;)
this is such a good video - never knew i wanted to know this history
3:18 I think you meant to put the Toronto team logo on the bottom right, not the Quebec team logo.
I’ll be honest I don’t watch a ton of hockey, but this video was really fascinating
How does a fire start in an ice making plant?
Why was Don Marshall's picture shown (3:17) while you are discussing the 1910-20 era of the NHL? Donny broke into the league in 1951 and played to 1972.
very hard to find old pictures!
Cool vid, very interesting. A couple interesting facts I was unaware of!!!
Glad you enjoyed!
My minds been blown because I always remember the “original six” which makes it seem like that was the beginning not this 😮
The Original Six era actually started with the 1942-43 season after the Brooklyn Americans (previously the New York Americans) folded after the 1941-42 season.
Yup, the original six aren't actually the original teams (except Montreal). The term actually refers to the teams before the 67 expansion doubled the six of the league.
@@rbourne35 Also Toronto Arena is Toronto Maple Leafs, they just did not have any name at that time. And also they kinda are the same team as Toronto Blue Shirts because all the Blue Shirts players just jumped to NHL and Arenas instead of not playing against anybody in NHA. But as a legal entity they are different organization.
I remember goin to the games as a young adult. Fun times.
Imagine playing without helmets. Yeah, like when I was a kid. Less than 50 years ago. There are active coaches in the league who played when most players still didn't wear helmets (Lindy Ruff, Rick Bowness), though they were younger players at the time so did wear them. Also arenas and stadiums burning down was pretty common before around 1920. Most famous was the fire that destroyed the Polo Grounds, home of the NY Giants, during the 1911 season. It was rebuilt in time for the Giants to play the second half of the season, and the World Series, there. They worked fast in those days.
Anyone got a link to the duel?
NHL history is super facinating. I actually like the history more than the present! lol! It's neat when you know who the historic players are before the video even says! Yeah, those sticks cracked a lotta skulls. Check out "The Richard Riot". A grisley event that ignited on ice, but spread off ice and had huge cultural ramifications. "The Rocket" is the best player I've never seen! (live as a player)
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Great job, my friend. Really. 👍
Always love me a hockey History Lesson!
Fun factoid--- the trophy is not ! really "' the Stanley Cup ""--- its officially called the Dominion Challenge Cup!
As a huge hockey fan, vintage stuff fan and comedy fan, this video was such a blast to watch. Thank you 🏒 👏🏻
I know it late but the reason the goalies can drop their knees to save the puck bc they response to the Sens goalies (Clint Benedict) who always falling to make a save.
And Quebec Bulldogs not join first season because their player are from EU and they are joining the WW1 so they choosing to skip the season until return on 18-19 season.
Look at that flex on Matthews twig, lol... It's ridiculous.... Look, as a hockey fan I have sticks from all eras and those old wooden straight-blade sticks - I don't know how guys played with them. I've tried to give them a go but they're just shit - but I respect the history of the game, look you have to start somewhere... Also, back then there was no forward passing (same for NA football too) so forwards had to carry the puck into the zone and if they wanted to move the puck they would have to pass behind them.. Which of course is why they had "rovers" - yes - they had a 6th "attacker" that was like a 3rd defenseman.... Man, the game has changed a lot since 1917 and the game we know and love today wasn't really born until the Original 6 - before that the Stanley Cup was a "challenge cup" and it was for the taking by any team from any league.... Hockey history is fascinating, eh?
Fun Fact: Lord Stanley drew up that NHA logo with a quill pen.
Hot take but the Montreal Wanderers is a dope name! I made one of my fantasy teams the Wanderers cause it’s kinda dope
Crazy that fines are still the exact same amount 100 years later.
Great video! 😊
Great work.
What's Cherrano?
You sir earned a sub
Great video... and I'm not even a hockey fan!
...and let's not forget that the answer to "what team in the NHL won only one game in it's entire inaugural season?" kelly bundy: "the montreal wanderes, won their home-opener, lost the next seven then their stadium burned down" alas, even this knowledge did not help al bundy become a winner, as kelly got the wrong answer to "name the polk high football superstar who scored four touch-downs in a single game." kelly: "uh....red squeeze buzzer?" poor al........
Which team plays in Mexico?
The first Stanley Cup fun to watch.
There were plenty of tickets back then.
03:13 "My flat cap will protect me from pucks to the face!" - Old Tyme Goalie, probably
Wow, I wonder what the NHL would look like today if the Wanderers weren't forced to fold.
This is fantastic!!
Shouldn't it be spelled "Psyche"?
You forgot to mention that at that time, there was an extra skater on the ice known as the "rover". Unlike the other players, the rover did not have a set position and roamed the ice at will, going where needed, much as a midfielder in association football.
I actually researched this while writing the script. The rover was taken out prior to the start of the NHL.
@HecticHockey I thought the position made it into the 1920s...thanks for the updated info!
I believe the rover remained in the PCHL into the 20’s but never made it to the NHL. Not sure how they navigated this during Stanley Cup contests though
It’s the erly days of professional sports what to expect You can have sports teams in the middle of no where in the biggest towns you never heard of, you can get out for a injured thumb stuff like that
While I'm sure there were more injuries because of the lack of helmets and masks. However, no blade was curved and the slapshot was not used. So the puck wasn't exactly flying around like it is today.
and now we live in a time when the cup is determined by a regions tax status combined with the teams closeness to the equator, which is directly correlated to the leagues willingness to put up the the LTIR loophole abuse. What a time to be alive. Canadian teams struggle to keep players because we tax people for things like roads, health care and living in a society and have weather conducive to having ice some times of the year (for now, at least.)
What an unreal ride the NHL has had.
Still one of the best sports out there! Go Habs Go!
I was actually getting into this video until 6:15 when we literally skipped 60 years of changes and the video ends ☹ Would have been cool to go decade by decade talking about changes, expansions, rules, equipment etc.
Keep up the good work
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I wouldn't go so far as to say there are NHL teams having an occupying presence over ALL of North America, just the U.S. and Canada. I once heard a rumor of a Mexican hockey club, but they are perished aboard the team submarine due tot he screen door hatch--something along those lines.
great video, drop the slide transition noise though.
Great video. 6:53 I think you meant kph, not mph. No NHL player has ever skated faster than 30mph. Connor McDavid's top speed is around 25mph.
4:27 who is that all powdered up?.. Were they really tryna hide something??
Great vid
Thanks!
Interesting & hilarious both at the same time.
Lol 😆 great dig at the Coyotes !
7:05 When did Mexico get an NHL team?
So why do we talk about the original six if there was really four?
Great video. I didn't know any of this.
Glad you enjoyed!