Why I Started Training Brazilian Jiujitsu
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2023
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I've been chatting with Eyal and he said the line drills in mantis are pretty useful in Muay Thai, have you found that to be the case too?
Definitely
Which is better for self defence bjj or boxing or wing chun
It’s always great to expand one’s martial art palate, try grappling styles to improve your original core ones. Everyone helps
Having been learning Choy Li Fut for over eleven years, I recently started going to capoeira lessons, having been told they were available in my area by my sister who went on a date with someone who used to go to them. I never really thought I would bother much with any other style of Martial Art, (although I do Tai Chi along with yoga which supports my Kung Fu), because I love CLF so much I can't see myself having the time I would want to give to another style, but I've found that capoeira really compliments CLF very well. Both are based very much in low wide stances and turning at odd angles, but they do that very differently. It's great for me to actually train with people, especially in a very interactive style like capoeira as I have had to train on my own for most of the time. I started learning meteor hammer and rope dart at the same time, and since they are not as energy intensive as most of the Kung Fu I have learned, it's great to have some training that is really pushing me physically in a way that learning the entirely new techniques for meteor hammer and rope dart don't. I feel I will be comfortable just going to lessons and not training the capoeira outside lessons, unlike with CLF which I always wanted to practice more. It's been interesting to find I don't get everything immediately and still have to take the time to be able to learn new techniques even though I've been learning CLF for years. I feel it will improve my CLF a lot too.
That’s awesome, Capoeira is cool
Great video Will!
Great to see you learning Ground work too.
What they thought me in the beginning as a martial artist your cup is never full so continue to learn and progress 😊
Loved your reflections 👌
Always a good thing to be open minded and open to other views as we go through life, be it martial arts, religion, politics, whatever. Being stubbornly set in one's ways can be disastrous. Having said that, it is important to preserve all the various martial arts traditions as close to the originals as possible but this shouldn't prevent one from exploring new traditions
Agreed
Thank you for continuing to share your journey with us and your thoughts along the way. ^_^
I've considered learning some form of grappling art (BJJ/Judo/Catch) or Dishuquan once my back gets a little bit better, because I want something that focuses on groundwork (and I've never been great at grappling but I'm starting to see that it's a necessary skill to become more well-rounded). Looking forward to your thoughts on Muay Thai and your continuing journey with BJJ.
I would say though, Dishuquan and other Chinese ground-based arts are very different in concept to BJJ and other grappling styles. They are not for two people in prolonged engagement on the floor, but for someone who has fallen down against a standing opponent
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thank you, : ) I knew a little about dog boxing via friends who had hung gar backgrounds. I'm a TKD practitioner (with a tiiiiiiiiny basic bit of grappling/ground grappling knowledge). I get it's more ground tumbling than ground grappling/rolling. I'd just always wanted to learn it. ^_^
I'd been in situations where a knowledge & practice of "kicking from the ground" had helped me against an amateur wrestler when I'd been on my back & my kicking kept him from closing til I stopped kicking him at his protest (they don't like being kicked >_^); plus material like leg locks you could do on ground to someone standing, and knowing to ground-roll away from or to a better position looked appealing.
I know that Judo, Sambo, and BJJ have and can teach these same leg locks, give me a (better) ground game (that doesn't exist in stand-up arts) and approach to use my legs to submit/pin/choke an opponent. Dishuquan was just something I always wanted to learn. There's a lot of places I can learn the former but not too many to learn the latter in my area. ^_^
I liked hearing your thoughts. I am also a Kung Fu enthusiast that likes to experiment with Japanese styles, though Jujitsu is still in my future; I'm currently training Karate, Judo, and Iaido, and I'm finding a lot of crossover with both the Kung Fu side of things and the Jujitsu side of things in all of those arts. I'm traditionally a Wing Chun practitioner, which has mostly taught me how to strike efficiently, and I feel like while Japanese martial arts can supplement Kung Fu very well, it can also go the other way, with Chinese martial arts being able to inform Jujitsu, Judo, and other more modern styles, and striking skills being able to inform grappling.
The older I get, the more I emphasize with Bruce Lee's philosophy of developing a personal, individual style, rather than cleaving to Wing Chun as my favorite option above all else, and I find that all arts, even things like Greco-Roman Wrestling and HEMA, can inform my understanding of my inner self. I may even make up a name for my style, just for my own thoughts, to reinforce the idea that all martial arts must ultimately be adapted by individual bodies, and in the process of synthesis can become quite unique.
That’s cool, thanks for sharing. There certainly is a lot of crossover yes
I think I see what you mean when you say that traditional and modern styles are practiced for different reasons, but I don't think that's an absolute, so I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion that they should be kept separate.
For my part, I'm really interested in the applications of ancient styles. Traditional martial arts have a bad reputation today, many people say they're ineffective, but there was a time where they were used with success. So I'm interested in trying them out in a competitive setting, trying to find out what it could look like to fight with a particular style.
So with this in mind, keeping modern and traditional separate doesn't make sense. It's hard to find a traditional school that puts emphasis on application and sparring, and modern styles seem to focus on a few things that have been proven to work. So I think blending the two is a good way to pressure test traditional techniques (providing your modern style allows for the kind of techniques you want to test out).
Thanks for sharing! Good points and food for thought
Funnily enough, I imagine your general reasons here are almost the opposite of many modern martial-arts types: many of us train in combat sport styles, and then go peering through traditional styles for different techniques, or unique applications.
If we ever start to see ungloved MMA become a thing (other than a couple underground events my friends in Poland told me about), I bet we'll see even more leaning towards TMA--there seems to be a lot to offer in the way of hand fighting and unique punching mechanics.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Can you elaborate on the essential differences between modern and traditional arts?
I think it mostly comes down to training methodology. Modern martial arts are focused on short term goals, traditional martial arts are a long term process. Obviously I am simplifying here and there is crossover, but to me that’s the simplest answer
@@MonkeyStealsPeachthanks for your reply, that’s a useful way of looking at it.
you should meet traditional silek (west sumatra silat style). they kind of silat that have emphasize with groundfights.
Hi Will, when you said you plateaued that gave me an idea for a question. Out of the whole mantis ciriculum that you either learned or that exists for taiji mantis. What are the subjects that you don't train amd much besides the non-core forms I mean
I haven’t done much weapons training since leaving China as you can’t really carry a sword or spear around in the west
Which is better for self defence bjj or boxing or wing chun
Good for you! I love your channel, although I haven't practiced kung fu for many years. Coming from a TMA background myself, I have found BJJ to be almost like a Rorschach Test for traditional martial artist. It seems to trigger a small segment of the TMA world. It's gotten better, but it's still there. Embarrassingly, I too can remember being a bit of a "BJJ hater" before I started, because I did Japanese Jujutsu and that was the "real" jujutsu. I was just dumb. Like everything, it's best to go directly to the source if you want the truth on a topic. Because, even today, some of the mischaracterizations, misinformation and hostility that I see in the TMA world when it comes to BJJ is just... bizarre.
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While doing some research recently on Six Harmonies Tanglang Quan( the Style of Mantis that holds most of my own Interest) I disccovered that there’s a Randy Brown, who teaches a combination of Northern Praying Mantis, Brazilian Juijitsu, and Boxing-while I don’t think he’s a Lineage Holder in Praying Mantis Kung Fu, He’s obviously well versed in both Mantis and Brazilian Juijitsu. Brown has a school somewhere West of Boston MA. While I personally am more interested in Traditional Chinese Kung Fu, unlike Randy Brown’s Modern BJJ-Praying Mantis Kung Fu Hybrid, I can see that Brown has on his Website an interesting essay of how he came to Mantis Kung Fu along with Brazilian Juijitsu. You might find this interesting as you have many years of study in Traditional Chinese Mantis Fist, and now you’ve started to study BJJ:
Here are the two essays found on Randy Browns website, which you might actually find Fascinating😉:
Rise from the Ruins by Randy Brown:
randybrownmantisboxing.com/blog/2019/3/3/essay-rise-from-the-ruins
Research Notes: Praying Mantis Boxing Vs Supreme Ultimate Boxing:
randybrownmantisboxing.com/blog/2016/9/17/mantis-boxing-vs-ultimate-boxing
Yes, I read Randy's article a few years ago. It's sad he never found what he was looking for. There's many good Mantis teachers in North America, but you can't just expect to cold call someone up and expect them to offer you their entire system on a plate. It's no different to BJJ, if you want a black belt you have to devote several years to serious practice.
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What I really like about your “Monkey Steals Peach” , aside from the rich content on Traditional Chinese Martial Arts, is the beautiful scenery shown as your travel, along with your very impressive Cinematography 😉. My own Martial Arts Background consists of about a Year of Study of Northern Chinese Eagle Claw, as a teenager, in Master Leung Shums’s Lower Manhattan NYC School( more than 30 Years ago and my training then was almost completely external); and later after returning from my first overseas trip( when I spent several Months in Israel) I studied Japanese Aikido( My first foray into an internal Martial Art) at the New York Aikido from about age 19 to about when I was 21 years old: I was lucky since most of my Aikido classes where with Sugano Sensei, who had studied directly with O Sensei, the legendary Japanese Martial Artist and founder of Japanese Aikido. But I left Martial Arts for more than 25 years, and I only returned recently as I was looking for something Therapeutic both for Body and Soul😉: If I have the correct story, before arriving at the New York Aikikai in the late 1980’s , Sugano Sensei spent several years in Australia( if I have the correct Story, the reason he moved to Australia was he met and married an Australian Woman and I thought you might find this as an Australian interesting) where he taught Japanese Aikido: But Sugano died prematurely due to complications With Sugar, and after hospital treatment errors that had significant impact on his Health). Again, if I have the story straight, Sugano loved Australia and the Blue Mountains around Sydney so much that he requested that his Ashes be spread over the Blue Mountains, after he passed:
Here’s a clip of Sugano practicing with Australian Students in Blue Mountains outside of Sydney:
Here is a the Video which is Poignantly titled “Remembering. ( Sugano)Sensei”
ruclips.net/video/TgWmQXrylGs/видео.html
I’m in Upstate NY this Summer, and I recently found that there are at least 3 capable Mantis Instructors in NYC, with one of them teaching both 7 Star and 8 Step-which I only recently discovered after seeing your Video with Taiwan’s Chang Juin Hou-7 Star Mantis is to hard of a style for my personality, but I’m so happy to have discovered 8 step, which seems to share a similar Flavour (Soft and Internal) with Six Harmonies Praying Mantis, so I’m now both curious and interested, and hope to visit with at least one of these Mantis Masters after returning to New York at end of Summer.
By the way, what’s a good email or other contact for in case I have any questions about Mantis before I go to visit one of New York’s High level Mantis Masters
hello how are you , do u remember Tobi from the xin yi liu he, is there anyway to find his insta or youtube or whatever?
Sorry man, I haven’t had contact with him since I left Shanghai in 2020
@@MonkeyStealsPeach thats really sad to hear, hopefully tobi replies
First of all, good video. I'm a huge fan of your channel.... but
"When you do try to mix them together too much, you sort of lose something."
After making a video outlining how much you have benefited from mixing the two.
I don't mean to pick on you in particular, but this argument drives me crazy. Think of how many traditional ma were created by mixing and combining styles.
So, what do you lose?
This argument always comes off as propaganda by the lineage gatekeepers, or as an appeasement to them.
Fair enough
That's why there is meditation alongside Kung fu training
First I thought you will try to tell us BJJ is more effective against kangaroo attacks but your reasons are fine also! Once I read about T.T. Liang a famous Taiji master that he starting to learn Tang Lang when he was almost 80. Thats kind of strange because why would you start learning an external art so late even if you are already a master of an internal art. But so he getting 101it cant been that bad for him.
Bjj is the most effective against kangaroos, that goes without saying
It too is a trap. And i have studied it and enjoyed it.
I did it for three years, stopped wanted to train N actual martial art, Judo is more complete, Sombo is more practice, BJJ is THE very definition of a millennial “martial art”. Sorry to hear this.
Well I am a millennial….
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Heavy sigh! Well I love your channel, especially the Xing Yi stuff. I tried BJJ too, have fun. Don’t go to the ground in a fight, put the other guy there. If anyone tries to bully you at the BJJ club use Mantis’s take downs, stack them, and rely on small joint manipulations, they hate that stuff.
Imagine doing BJJ for 3 years and reaching this conclusion! @ziggydog5091 is either trolling or literally learnt nothing on the mats…
Well thanks for supporting the channel and glad you enjoyed the Xingyi series. I’ll be careful of Bjj bullies, dont worry 😉
@@ziggydog5091 good luck with that .
Buy a microphone my dude
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