So excited to be finally releasing this series! Aside from that, have you checked out my latest tutorial yet? If you want to learn the classic Mantis Fist form White Ape Steals Peach, you can check it out at vimeo.com/ondemand/toutao and use the code TAIWANMASTERS to get 10% off!
This is the kind of sifu you could really learn a lot from. He is experienced enough but not too old, that way he could demonstrate the applications properly. Also, the way he transitions from trap/hook to strike/lock, I believe he has considerable fighting experience.
"I didn't even move in" The look on his face is priceless. As if he was sorry, but at the same time saying it could be much worst. Thank you for the video and for taking the hits, Will. I have some Babu sets and its always nice to see different takes on it.
8 step mantis is a very interesting style incorporating elements from Tongbei and Xinyi. It looks like Kung Fu in Taiwan has developed and grown to an extent independently from mainland China after the Kung Fu masters fled with with the KMT to Taiwan.
Unfortunately most of the really good masters have died out and have left little to show for it. The overall quality of traditional martial arts in Taiwan is pretty bad.
@@clacicle I am the "terrible" TMA apprentice who switched to BJJ and skeptical about the fighting skills of those "masters". Countless sifus have little experience in sparring, the best they can do is showing how they can take down a student who already ready to throw themselves to the ground. Purely pyramid scheme. These guys have 500% responsibility for destroying the industry.
@@clacicle unfortunately still better than mainland - in mainland kung fu is pretty much wushu performative art. To get actual kung fu you have to go to the deep ends.
@@jaserror In general most Kung Fu is very a wushuish. I’d still say that mainland has far more better examples of traditional, quality Chinese martial arts simply because of the huge population.
I myself am an 8 step student and I learned several new tips from watching this video, happy to see 8 step finally make it onto your page. Thank you! If have a chance obtain Wei Xiao Tang's book, very much informative.
Impressive man; he has clearly internalized the art and has great little tips and insights on application and intent. From my own personal desire, if you ever have the chance to visit with any sifu of the Si Ji Hao lineages like Lama, Hop Gar, or Tibetan White Crane, that would be very cool. Especially anything with less Shaolin influence, since those lineages represent an entirely independent line from anything else in the region.
You can certainly see the relation between 7 star and 8 step . My first teacher said 8 step is better for a bigger man and 7 star , being more compact, for the smaller person. Li Pi, IMO, has the best move incorporated from Hsing I elements form.
Great series! It is interesting to see how all the styles intertwine and develop together. Your work clarifies many things and exposes those who profit from the martial art without having the necessary fundamentals to teach it.
Thank you! There are indeed many out there, especially on social media, who have no idea what they are talking about, or knowingly promote frauds just for profit
Nice again. Have met him many, many years ago, when a friend studied with him. You were lucky, that they had closed down the red light lane next to the snake lane. It was a real experience in 1982, when I arrived there the first time.
Hello Will. Nice video! Chang Juin Hau 張君豪's teacher 左顯富 and my teacher 荀廣龍 are kung fu brothers. In the late 80’s, I met his teacher in Taiwan when he took my teacher, myself and few other fellow students to visit and pay respect at grandmaster Wei’s 衛笑堂 grave site. 張君豪 is humble/knowledgeable/skilled and like his teacher 左顯富who is also a very humble/knowledgeable/skilled in 8 step praying mantis practitioner. 😀
Brother, as a former student whom allegiance is always to my teacher James Shyun, I tend to follow the philosophy of grandmaster Wei to openly teach the 8 step praying mantis to all and hope for his students to spread his 8 step praying mantis teachings. All of grandmaster Wei’s students like my master 荀廣龍, master 左顯富 and their classmates are the real 8 step praying mantis. Chief instructor 張君豪 continues the tradition of teaching the real 8 Step. His understanding of the essential forms 摘要段 and demonstrating/explaining to Will was excellent. Its very similar to how my teacher taught me. 😀 Unity builds a kung fu style, division destroys it.
@@ahwai7623 I am just a ordinary student of Mr. Zuo(左顯富), in my spare time, I share a little technique about the 8-step mantis . In fact,I am not a professional coach, but an amateur martial arts fan. Based on the fact that the head coach’s or Chief instructor statement is too exaggerated, so I’d like to make an additional explanation
So will can you do a video discussing what theory, body methods, and the like from other mantis and kung fu systems you have incorporated into your own mantis?
Really cool video! I'm really interested in those styles, and their practical applications. So my ears perked up when he mentioned sparring. Did you film any sparring by any chance? I would love to see that!
I think it is weird to ask 😅 but can you kindly tell me the name of the Snake Soup Store that you have enjoyed in this video. I am planning to visit Taipei in this July. Thanks so much in advance. Your fan !❤
My grand Master Su Yu Chang's many teachers included Wei Shiao Tang... Heard this tale that GM Wei knew Qing Gong and would climb walls at night to visit GM Su and teach him Ba-Bu Tang Lang at night time... Love the Taiwan series..hope to see more down the road... I could never drink snake venom... bile and blood, yes... Venom, no... Agree with you...not sure if there are value in killing these valuable creatures..
In 8 step system, we don’t like to myth GM Wei or telling some “tales”. If you have read the book of the true stories of Wei, you’ll know he didn’t like these things too
Some of my senior 8 step brothers are described in Su's books to have extremely exaggerated skills, but when they saw the book, they laughed and said they didn't even know they were that powerful.
For example, one day a guy told to other people that Wei can jump to two floors because of "chi gong". When Wei heard that, he said "No i can't! If you can, you jump!"
Master Su had many "tales" about GM Wei But these tales include my teacher 左顯富 and many 8-step mantis elders who have never heard of it. They just laughed when they heard master Su said the "tales"...
Will, brother Chang (張君豪), and uncle(小欽) - 賠不是 I deeply apologize to you all. If I had not mention my teacher 荀廣龍’s name, we probably wouldn’t have this person’s negative comments on this video. It seems after all these years this bias still exist. I feel embarrassed.
Sorry, I’m not sure what you are referring to, but trolls exist everywhere. Just ignore them as usually they are able to produce nothing of value themselves, and spend their time putting others down instead
八步里有 ”八肘。“ 但在八步螳螂里，它的全名是 “分身八短肘。” 八步是承了传姜化龙一脉的螳螂，怎么可能没有 “八肘？” 练八肘得先练 “靠手，” 但是那是题外话了。八肘在八步里是高级拳法，左顯富，郑荣贵，吴而立，张家横 是没有练过的，但是 蘇昱彰和荀廣龍 传承了分身八短；甚至连徐纪都没练过分身八短， 但是一定听过。除此自外，八步里除了有 六段 “摘要拳”之外，还有六段 “精要拳” 以及一套 “地/低 螳螂，” 是 姜化龙前辈融合了螳螂以及他本身原来练的地功拳的精华。 目前八步里的第一套拳 “ 七手” 本来不是八步螳螂里的东西，它是衛笑堂老师的家传武术。在冯环义传艺于衛笑堂老师结束之后，在冯环义前辈离开衛家前，得到冯环义前辈首肯之后才加进去的。在冯环义前辈离开之后， 衛笑堂老师也才开始用 ” 笑堂“ 为字而少用 “延桐“来纪念跟冯老师练拳的一段轶事。唉。。。”深知东海乱如麻” indeed. I am sure regards to Eight Steps Praying Mantis, what I know is far less what exists to be known. It is really too bad that the complete system of the Eight Steps may vanishes in the near future, if it continues at its current course.
八步裡有"八肘"其實是個誤解，此外衛師爺的行事作風也排斥高級、進階、密傳這些傳統武術的習慣。事實上他甚至不介意路人旁觀他的教學過程。您提到了蘇老師和荀前輩，但容我提醒您，在八步螳螂拳上一代，也就是第三代，包含林鈞福師伯（衛笑堂師爺有紀錄上的台灣首徒）、王秋雄師伯、陳國欽師伯入門學武歷程都應比蘇、荀兩位前輩早，他們也都沒練過您所說的「高級拳法」分身八肘。徐紀老師則是拜入衛笑堂師爺門下短時間之後就改投其它門派，八步的許多套路單招都還沒練完，所以您說「徐紀甚至沒練過」，著實是讓人苦笑了，徐老師練沒多久就去學別的了啊......所以感覺您對實際發生的狀況有點生疏。上述歷史八步螳螂拳的第三代、第四代知道的人很多，此外，連師爺衛笑堂生前的三本著作裡，也都沒有提到有分身八肘這個套路存在。 若要說是秘傳所以不載於書上，那我也再提醒一次，衛師爺最不喜秘傳、入門、入室這一套，而是自認「凡有想學則沒有不教的」。至於為何？或許剛好與我們討論的事情有關。不過也是謝謝您一起討論了，祝技藝精進。 The term "eight elbows" in the Eight Steps is actually a misunderstanding. Furthermore, Master Wei's teaching style does not emphasize the traditions of advanced, high-level, or secret martial arts. In fact, he even doesn't mind if passersby watch his teaching. You mentioned Su and Xun, but let me remind you that in the third generation of Eight Steps, which includes Senior Lin Junfu (Master Wei's first disciple in Taiwan recorded in history), Senior Wang Qiuxiong, and Senior Chen Guoqin, their martial arts training should have been earlier than Su and Xun. They have also never practiced the "advanced taolu" of eight elbows that you mentioned. As for Master Xu Ji, he only studied under GM Wei for less than a year before switching to other teacher. He hadn't even finished learning many of the moves and techniques of Eight Steps, so it is truly laughable to say that "Xu Ji never even practiced it." Many people from the third and fourth generations of Eight Steps know this history. Furthermore, even in the three books written by Master Wei during his lifetime, there is no mention of the 分身八肘 Taolu. If you want to say that it's a secret taolu not recorded in books, let me remind you again that Master Wei disliked the idea of keeping secrets and only teaching selected students. He believed that "anyone who wants to learn should be taught." As for why? Perhaps it is related to the discussion we are having.
@@smallkiss keep your "kiss" small, it becomes you. I guess an opinion is like an a**hole, everyone has one. By the way, I would proofread your English version, after all, “A man's grammar, like Caesar's wife, should not only be pure, but above suspicion of impurity.” -E.A.P. I don't need to be 技藝精進, I can careless, truly careless; which is more than I can say for "somebody;" pity.
@@patlogan1191 Facts speak louder than words,not to mention the somewhat vulgar words.If you want to prove something. You can show the"advanced 8-elbows skills" let me feel advanced... From the content of your response, I don’t feel any excellent and advanced things.
So excited to be finally releasing this series! Aside from that, have you checked out my latest tutorial yet? If you want to learn the classic Mantis Fist form White Ape Steals Peach, you can check it out at vimeo.com/ondemand/toutao and use the code TAIWANMASTERS to get 10% off!
This is the kind of sifu you could really learn a lot from. He is experienced enough but not too old, that way he could demonstrate the applications properly. Also, the way he transitions from trap/hook to strike/lock, I believe he has considerable fighting experience.
"I didn't even move in"
The look on his face is priceless. As if he was sorry, but at the same time saying it could be much worst.
Thank you for the video and for taking the hits, Will. I have some Babu sets and its always nice to see different takes on it.
Haha yea, for sure
8 step mantis looks great! Interesting to see some of their principles. Thanks for sharing this style with us.
8 step mantis is a very interesting style incorporating elements from Tongbei and Xinyi. It looks like Kung Fu in Taiwan has developed and grown to an extent independently from mainland China after the Kung Fu masters fled with with the KMT to Taiwan.
Unfortunately most of the really good masters have died out and have left little to show for it. The overall quality of traditional martial arts in Taiwan is pretty bad.
@@clacicle I am the "terrible" TMA apprentice who switched to BJJ and skeptical about the fighting skills of those "masters". Countless sifus have little experience in sparring, the best they can do is showing how they can take down a student who already ready to throw themselves to the ground. Purely pyramid scheme. These guys have 500% responsibility for destroying the industry.
@@clacicle It because kung fu masters didn't get good income
@@clacicle unfortunately still better than mainland - in mainland kung fu is pretty much wushu performative art. To get actual kung fu you have to go to the deep ends.
@@jaserror In general most Kung Fu is very a wushuish. I’d still say that mainland has far more better examples of traditional, quality Chinese martial arts simply because of the huge population.
Really enjoyed this episode. His body method is very natural and powerful!
I myself am an 8 step student and I learned several new tips from watching this video, happy to see 8 step finally make it onto your page. Thank you! If have a chance obtain Wei Xiao Tang's book, very much informative.
Impressive man; he has clearly internalized the art and has great little tips and insights on application and intent.
From my own personal desire, if you ever have the chance to visit with any sifu of the Si Ji Hao lineages like Lama, Hop Gar, or Tibetan White Crane, that would be very cool. Especially anything with less Shaolin influence, since those lineages represent an entirely independent line from anything else in the region.
This Mantis is a very sophisticated looking art!
Damn, can't wait to see Gao Daosheng's school. I'm a student of his lineage from Belgium.
Interesting. First time coming across Eight Step Mantis. Thank you.
You can certainly see the relation between 7 star and 8 step . My first teacher said 8 step is better for a bigger man and 7 star , being more compact, for the smaller person. Li Pi, IMO, has the best move incorporated from Hsing I elements form.
very well versed teacher and well balanced video between explanation and action!.
Good stuff once more
Lots in there that relates to my tai chi and hsing I
Funny how arts that look so different work the same
For sure!
Nice one!
Great series! It is interesting to see how all the styles intertwine and develop together. Your work clarifies many things and exposes those who profit from the martial art without having the necessary fundamentals to teach it.
Thank you! There are indeed many out there, especially on social media, who have no idea what they are talking about, or knowingly promote frauds just for profit
Really liked this episode, I thought the master, was pretty good and he has some good tricks for sure.
This Master makes it look so easy 👍🤜 another great interview.
That short forearm strike, I felt that watching this.
Brilliant teacher, guy knows how to fight.
This is great stuff!!! Very interesting indeed! Many thanks :)
He is quite good!
Great episode, very interesting - looking forward to the next one, too!
wow, the tongbi influence is VERY noticeable!
yes, and what an excellent explanation of KAO FA! the whole section with this master was very interesting!
Nice again. Have met him many, many years ago, when a friend studied with him. You were lucky, that they had closed down the red light lane next to the snake lane. It was a real experience in 1982, when I arrived there the first time.
Excellent!
Hello Will. Nice video! Chang Juin Hau 張君豪's teacher 左顯富 and my teacher 荀廣龍 are kung fu brothers. In the late 80’s, I met his teacher in Taiwan when he took my teacher, myself and few other fellow students to visit and pay respect at grandmaster Wei’s 衛笑堂 grave site. 張君豪 is humble/knowledgeable/skilled and like his teacher 左顯富who is also a very humble/knowledgeable/skilled in 8 step praying mantis practitioner. 😀
荀廣龍 is your master?! What a small world. Are you still in touch with him? Should we inform the author that the real 8-Step is in the USA?
Brother, as a former student whom allegiance is always to my teacher James Shyun, I tend to follow the philosophy of grandmaster Wei to openly teach the 8 step praying mantis to all and hope for his students to spread his 8 step praying mantis teachings. All of grandmaster Wei’s students like my master 荀廣龍, master 左顯富 and their classmates are the real 8 step praying mantis. Chief instructor 張君豪 continues the tradition of teaching the real 8 Step. His understanding of the essential forms 摘要段 and demonstrating/explaining to Will was excellent. Its very similar to how my teacher taught me. 😀
Unity builds a kung fu style, division destroys it.
@@ahwai7623 are you still in touch with 荀廣龍 ?
@@ahwai7623 I am just a ordinary student of Mr. Zuo(左顯富), in my spare time, I share a little technique about the 8-step mantis . In fact,I am not a professional coach, but an amateur martial arts fan. Based on the fact that the head coach’s or Chief instructor statement is too exaggerated, so I’d like to make an additional explanation
@@sleepmanmail 大哥你太謙虛了。 感謝您將遺產傳承給下一代。😄
So will can you do a video discussing what theory, body methods, and the like from other mantis and kung fu systems you have incorporated into your own mantis?
Appreciated the video. Was interesting all around. Good breakdown of the 8-step Mantis.
Man, was that impressive to watch!
beautiful showcase of mantis - actual mantis is very different from video game mantis. Mantis is full on dirty boxing. Love it.
great video ...that guy really knows his stuff.
期待下一集，這一集也很精彩啊！
Only had snake, w/ my cowboy friend in Texas! Not bad 😅 hear eight step Tang Lang is one of the original styles!!
thank you
12:28 Oh wow, that's like our Chen Tai Chi!
Cannot find ep1. Can someone provide a link? Interesting style
he is a good sifu
He has "the stuff."
I think the chinese expression at 14:08 should be 連消帶打 Lian Xiao Dai Da "striking with neutralising at the same time"
都來台灣了的話，推薦也看看保定快跤、降龍總武和健棋道館。
This is the mantis i wish i could learn
Very interesting series, thanks for sharing that!
Just subbed 👊
Thanks!
Thx a lot
Really cool video! I'm really interested in those styles, and their practical applications.
So my ears perked up when he mentioned sparring. Did you film any sparring by any chance? I would love to see that!
✊✊ The cupped ear strikes are scary.
For sure, don’t wanna be hit by those
wonderful!
That is really nice Kung Fu !!! Bravo !!!
This one is really nice
Another excellent video, can you post up where's his school is located at in Taiwan? Thanks a bunch...
I’ll get back to you on that
He teaches at the NTU eight step club. (台大八步螳螂拳社)
Thanks a bunch, Chang H. C.. And Will,on your next video on praying mantis in Taiwan, please include school infos as well. Thanks again... 🤗🤗🤗
I think it is weird to ask 😅 but can you kindly tell me the name of the Snake Soup Store that you have enjoyed in this video. I am planning to visit Taipei in this July. Thanks so much in advance. Your fan !❤
I really can’t remember sorry. But if you google something like “snake soup street” it should show up. Apparently its an area known for it
@@MonkeyStealsPeach thanks so much
WOW ! I'm really impressed ! This style you can defiantly fight with !
Now showing 3:00 :
Snake in the Mantis Shadow
@ 12:30 - good thing he wasn't on the "liver" side of the body...ouch! Nice short power...
Is there a school from this lineage anywhere ?
Taipei, Taiwan
My grand Master Su Yu Chang's many teachers included Wei Shiao Tang...
Heard this tale that GM Wei knew Qing Gong and would climb walls at night to visit GM Su and teach him Ba-Bu Tang Lang at night time...
Love the Taiwan series..hope to see more down the road...
I could never drink snake venom... bile and blood, yes...
Venom, no...
Agree with you...not sure if there are value in killing these valuable creatures..
In 8 step system, we don’t like to myth GM Wei or telling some “tales”. If you have read the book of the true stories of Wei, you’ll know he didn’t like these things too
Some of my senior 8 step brothers are described in Su's books to have extremely exaggerated skills, but when they saw the book, they laughed and said they didn't even know they were that powerful.
For example, one day a guy told to other people that Wei can jump to two floors because of "chi gong". When Wei heard that, he said "No i can't! If you can, you jump!"
That would be venom and venomous. An Australian friend scolded me endlessly, when I used poison/poisonous, lol!
Master Su had many "tales" about GM Wei But these tales include my teacher 左顯富 and many 8-step mantis elders who have never heard of it.
They just laughed when they heard master Su said the "tales"...
In this video you discuss Beng chui is this a variation of xingyi Beng?
No, in Mantis Beng Chui means backfist
@@MonkeyStealsPeach the motion in video reminded me tzuuan chuan?(rising/water?)
Zuan Quan is an uppercut, this is a backfist. Total opposites and total different power generation
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Sorry.
Been practicing from a book for a while...
Any recommendations for the solo practicioner?
Another classic example of why kungfu practitioners are kept out of mma. The most basic techniques are outlawed.
Yummy !!
He seems to have heavy hands due to tongbei conditioning
Master Chang?
Is the name correct?
Yes
Master Chang more video please
Master Jang?
Master Chang?
Will, brother Chang (張君豪), and uncle(小欽) - 賠不是 I deeply apologize to you all. If I had not mention my teacher 荀廣龍’s name, we probably wouldn’t have this person’s negative comments on this video. It seems after all these years this bias still exist. I feel embarrassed.
Sorry, I’m not sure what you are referring to, but trolls exist everywhere. Just ignore them as usually they are able to produce nothing of value themselves, and spend their time putting others down instead
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thanks. Take a look below at the troll patlogan1191.
You dont need to apologize for anything bro 😂
@@ahwai7623 您真的無須道歉！您太客氣啦
Its interesting that mantis boxing in Taiwan has remained traditional and independent compared to mainland China
Its not really any different to China actually, Master Chang said so himself in the video
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Ah ok,good to hear that 😊👍
八步里有 ”八肘。“ 但在八步螳螂里，它的全名是 “分身八短肘。” 八步是承了传姜化龙一脉的螳螂，怎么可能没有 “八肘？” 练八肘得先练 “靠手，” 但是那是题外话了。八肘在八步里是高级拳法，左顯富，郑荣贵，吴而立，张家横 是没有练过的，但是 蘇昱彰和荀廣龍 传承了分身八短；甚至连徐纪都没练过分身八短， 但是一定听过。除此自外，八步里除了有 六段 “摘要拳”之外，还有六段 “精要拳” 以及一套 “地/低 螳螂，” 是 姜化龙前辈融合了螳螂以及他本身原来练的地功拳的精华。 目前八步里的第一套拳 “ 七手” 本来不是八步螳螂里的东西，它是衛笑堂老师的家传武术。在冯环义传艺于衛笑堂老师结束之后，在冯环义前辈离开衛家前，得到冯环义前辈首肯之后才加进去的。在冯环义前辈离开之后， 衛笑堂老师也才开始用 ” 笑堂“ 为字而少用 “延桐“来纪念跟冯老师练拳的一段轶事。唉。。。”深知东海乱如麻” indeed. I am sure regards to Eight Steps Praying Mantis, what I know is far less what exists to be known. It is really too bad that the complete system of the Eight Steps may vanishes in the near future, if it continues at its current course.
八步裡有"八肘"其實是個誤解，此外衛師爺的行事作風也排斥高級、進階、密傳這些傳統武術的習慣。事實上他甚至不介意路人旁觀他的教學過程。您提到了蘇老師和荀前輩，但容我提醒您，在八步螳螂拳上一代，也就是第三代，包含林鈞福師伯（衛笑堂師爺有紀錄上的台灣首徒）、王秋雄師伯、陳國欽師伯入門學武歷程都應比蘇、荀兩位前輩早，他們也都沒練過您所說的「高級拳法」分身八肘。徐紀老師則是拜入衛笑堂師爺門下短時間之後就改投其它門派，八步的許多套路單招都還沒練完，所以您說「徐紀甚至沒練過」，著實是讓人苦笑了，徐老師練沒多久就去學別的了啊......所以感覺您對實際發生的狀況有點生疏。上述歷史八步螳螂拳的第三代、第四代知道的人很多，此外，連師爺衛笑堂生前的三本著作裡，也都沒有提到有分身八肘這個套路存在。
若要說是秘傳所以不載於書上，那我也再提醒一次，衛師爺最不喜秘傳、入門、入室這一套，而是自認「凡有想學則沒有不教的」。至於為何？或許剛好與我們討論的事情有關。不過也是謝謝您一起討論了，祝技藝精進。
The term "eight elbows" in the Eight Steps is actually a misunderstanding. Furthermore, Master Wei's teaching style does not emphasize the traditions of advanced, high-level, or secret martial arts. In fact, he even doesn't mind if passersby watch his teaching. You mentioned Su and Xun, but let me remind you that in the third generation of Eight Steps, which includes Senior Lin Junfu (Master Wei's first disciple in Taiwan recorded in history), Senior Wang Qiuxiong, and Senior Chen Guoqin, their martial arts training should have been earlier than Su and Xun. They have also never practiced the "advanced taolu" of eight elbows that you mentioned. As for Master Xu Ji, he only studied under GM Wei for less than a year before switching to other teacher. He hadn't even finished learning many of the moves and techniques of Eight Steps, so it is truly laughable to say that "Xu Ji never even practiced it." Many people from the third and fourth generations of Eight Steps know this history. Furthermore, even in the three books written by Master Wei during his lifetime, there is no mention of the 分身八肘 Taolu. If you want to say that it's a secret taolu not recorded in books, let me remind you again that Master Wei disliked the idea of keeping secrets and only teaching selected students. He believed that "anyone who wants to learn should be taught." As for why? Perhaps it is related to the discussion we are having.
@@smallkiss keep your "kiss" small, it becomes you. I guess an opinion is like an a**hole, everyone has one. By the way, I would proofread your English version, after all, “A man's grammar, like Caesar's wife, should not only be pure, but above suspicion of impurity.” -E.A.P. I don't need to be 技藝精進, I can careless, truly careless; which is more than I can say for "somebody;" pity.
@@patlogan1191 Facts speak louder than words,not to mention the somewhat vulgar words.If you want to prove something.
You can show the"advanced 8-elbows skills" let me feel advanced...
From the content of your response, I don’t feel any excellent and advanced things.
@@patlogan1191 ok, still thank you
@@smallkiss Oh God, please don't. As Professor Freud would say, ignorance is (indeed) bliss.
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Just show us how this works in the ring against a live resisting opponent... that's all you need to do to prove this isn't a bunch of total BS...