The day Chuck Norris cut ties with Korea
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Most kids get fairy tale bed time stories, I get Martial Arts bed time stories. Here is the story of my father's first dan black belt test as well as the same day Chuck Norris served ties with Korean to form the American Tang Soo Do National Congress.
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The old days were WAY better than how Karate is taught today
my father in law 9th Dan under Chuck Norris...89 still teaching.
What's his name?
hi there Tip Potter.. I have 45 years Kenpo and Escrima. 70 and still learning . Blessings!
I went to high school with Bob Burbridge....always a tough guy.rip
Sensei Ichi ...Tip Potter. Also went to high school with Bob Burbridge.
Any rank past third Dan is usually token award for devotion to the style / organisation.
Our school had a crisis in the mid 80's when we heard that in order to test for black belt we would have to fly to Korea and the cost was prohibitive. A lot of schools broke away at that time.
Woo that sounds just like my father's story. What path did you choose?
@@SenseiIchi I stuck with them, as the cost was far too much. I wound up moving to another state, and have had no formal training since the early '90s. I still consider it my core art, however. I recall a statement our instructor said when asked why he chose Tang Soo instead of a more 'realistic' method, he being California Highway Patrol officer. He said that if you wanted to learn to fight, you could go to (a notorious biker bar whose name I have forgotten) and slap the biggest fellow there. You will learn to fight very quickly. If you want to learn an art that you can do for the rest of your life, find a classical style like Tang Soo. At 58 it is still something I can do and enjoy!
@@claud1961 Hahah yes! That is fantastic advice, give that man a medal!
I'm happy to hear that you are still training in Tang Soo Do, where abouts are you living and training?
@@SenseiIchi Fairfield, Iowa. I train where I can! Out of 4 children, only 1 son has much of an interest, so we train together.
Claud Wolf that’s great you’re training with your son. My father and I have the strongest bond because he will forever be my teacher and mentor. Keep it going !
Although I trained in a different Martial Art, there was a major division after the Master died in Isshinryu Karate. Many in Okinawa went their own way. The son in law was granted Master and the son had bitter feelings towards his father. B4 his death, he gave his son his blessings. In the early 80's, we had to make the same choice as you between either the son in law, or the son. I chose the fathers son.
Much has changed also. We didnt have all.the colored belts in the 70's. White, green, brown and black. Now it's all the colored belts. I dont teach anymore due to medical problems. But, I never quit teaching the old ways I was taught. It was tough conditioning of arms, stomach, legs and shins.
I miss it. But kidney disease, open heart surgery and conquering colon cancer has taken its toll .
Take care sir ....
Wow that is quite the story. I hope the decision you made ended up being the best one.
I'm sorry to hear of your medical illnesses, I hope you are healthy and well.
Stay strong and thank you for commenting.
I had a very similar experience training in Goju-Ryu. Same belts with the exception of White to yellow, than green and so fourth. Heavy on the physical conditioning and sparring every class. Part of the reason I think martial arts gets such a bad rap now is because so many schools leave those two ingredients out of their curriculum. You can't really learn practical application without learning how to use it while in a similar situation like sparring.
@@nomadronin7361
When I originally trained in the USArmy, I had a sensei who was trained by the famed Hank Slomanski. As well as Master Shimabuku and his son in law.
The training was much different back then. Kotucky tai was always done. Makiwara was also done. 1 on 1 contact fighting to the take down. 1 on 2 as well. The other. Fighters always wore kendo armor, to limit injuries.
It was pretty brutal back in the 1970's. I started teaching at shodan. I also.studied Goju Ryu in the mid eighties to learn how Isshinryu was made, as well as Chito Ryu. Both chito and Isshinryu are so close, I feel one was copied . Just my opinion ...
As a young Marine Military Policeman stationed in Okinawa in the 70s, I used to stand post occasionally with an Okinawan Security Guard named Angi Uezu. When I got promoted to Corporal, I was moved to the Criminal Investigation Office, across the parking lot, and worked with an Okinawan Criminal Investigator named Takayoshi "Bill" Nagamine. I never studied under either, but I did visit Master Uezu at his dojo. I only stayed in Okinawa for one year and at the time didn't realize how close I was to the center of the traditional martial arts world. On one occasion I had to report to the Provost Marshal with "Bill" Nagamine. As we entered the building, we passed through the Desk Sergeant's area where the Security Guards were gathered for their shift. Angi Uezu was there and he and "Bill" Nagamine nodded to each other and he said to me, "Hello, Craig-san!"
Far too much politics in today's Martial Arts. Plus many systems have made Black Belt so easy that it's ridiculous. Basically it's if you have the promotion fee, you passed. I stopped asking for promotions long, long ago. What rank was Bruce Lee? Was he concerned with belt rank or learning from every system he came in contact with? Mr. Miyagi had it right when he said to Daniel "Belt only mean no need rope to hold up pants."
He had a tan belt from JC penny... You like?!
bruce lee was more of an actor than a martial artist, so who cares what he thinks, nothing wrong with having a belt system when done right, the only way to get away from politics is to get away from people, where's there's people there are politics
Remember that the only reason that belts turned black originally was due to the fact there was no laundry service. So all the colors encountered in training eventually stained the fabric of the uniform and belt. Eventually all those stains turned the belt black (blackish)
@@danielhaire6677 yes offf course but this is north america, a belt system is a great reward system that works very well when applied properly, if i don't want belts I'll do kickboxing or krav maga, my black belts are real black belts
Truth
I remember the day it happened. We met at the Torrance school. Red belts and above were given the choice to stay with Korea or with Mr. Norris.
The Chuck Norris system was a mixed martial style Mr. Norris created. We were unique, not Korean.
Korean Tang Soo Do practitioners denounced us as not being Tang Soo Do. They were right. We were Chuck Norris system, the first mixed martial artists.
Dennis has forgotten Bob Barrow, his instructor from white to red. Dennis and I fought together several times on Bob's Torrance school team. When our team competed we took home 95% of the tournament hardware. Thank you Bob Barrow.
Politics in Martial Arts are stressful to deal with.
Very very stressful!
the reason i no longer teach
Yes they are. Especially for those of us who want to just train.
@OLD Beer Buzzard i was blessed in the facr that all of my martial arts senseis . Would respect your blackbelt even if you come from a different system. Their thought process was you are more than able to grasp the basics of a system. You would still be trained by lower belts which can be humbling, but it is all about learning , and sharing with one another. Martial arts all of it is correlated, despite all of the BS some of these teachers blow up our ass about their system being better. Blah blah blah!
@@who301tent415 Exactly!
Established in 1974.Grandmaster Dennis Ichikawa began his training with Chuck Norris in 1970. In 1974 he opened the Tarzana Karate Studio, then later moved to Thousand Oaks, to open the first T.O/Westlake Karate studio in 1987. His son, Justin Ichikawa (and T.O. Westlake head instructor), started his training when he was 3 years old in 1988. Grandmaster Dennis Ichikawa earned his 9th Degree black belt in 2010, and Grandmaster Justin Ichikawa earned his 7th Degree black belt in 2015.
I have basic TV. One channel plays 7 hours of Walker, Texas Ranger a day from 10 till' 5..❤ It actually got me thru 2 months of sobriety, assigned by my probation officer..💀🖤
Good for you. Keep it up, the answers are never at the bottom of a bottle. You got this!
1005 days sober…🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Love walker Texas ranger. Have the whole thing on DVD.
I am a member of the IMA under GM Ki Yun Yi who was a former instructor at Osan AFB while GM Norris was training there. Thank you for sharing the history. Tang Soo!!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
I know a man who got his black belt in Japan, he was a white belt for about 3 years and then one day his instructor gave him a green belt, he was simply told "You are ready for this now", after a few years of being a green belt he was presented with his black belt. He said it was never anything formal and there were never testing cycles. You just trained and if the Master saw what he felt was the proper arc of learning and discipline you would be promoted. But all they had were White, Green, and Black belts.
I love the history you shared. While most black belt tests are special. Your red belt test was historic.
Thank you!
@@SenseiIchiRed belt testing is ridiculous. Nonsense. Belts are a scam. There should be 3 levels: novice, intermediate, & advanced. No belts. I've beaten most "black belts" I fought to a pulp. 😁
This is awesome! I really enjoy the history examination of the arts by those who were a part of it. Thanks for sharing this!
Thank you, there is more to come!!
This happened in Kang Duk Won as well, My instructors teacher Robert J Babich, decided not to join the TKD association at the time in the late 60s and early 70s and as a result, was no longer able to use the name. He decided to use the name Kwon Bup, simply because it was the name of a book his instructor gave him. I recently received my 3rd degree in Kwon Bup. Recently my instructor retired and although I know the whole system, will no longer be certified for higher ranking, but I don't care, I have the knowledge and that is what counts.
Thank you, sir, for your history lesson. I've only met Mr. Norris (very briefly) a couple times, but I am a huge fan of Mr. Johnson, who is a mentor of my instructor, Joe Corley, and who has taught a few seminars for us when I was chief instructor at one of Mr. Corley's schools.
Chuck Norris has always been an independent entity. There's a cool Chuck Norris joke there that my morning brain can't figure out...
Chuck norris IS the independent entity
The day I tested and received my black belt in Tang soo Do Moo duk Kwan is one of the happiest days in my life. Even if it’s 25 years ago.
A day you'll never forget, Mine was 40+ years ago in front of Masters that barely spoke English. I KICKED ASS.😂.lol.i had to do best to represent my MASTER INSTRUCTOR Man BOK SONG. Any of those guys could smack a fly off your forehead with Back round house kick. DWEE TOLOW CHAGEE. ( HOW EVER SPELLED) CHERISH THOSE MEMORIES brother and Congratulations.
chuck norris doesnt need korea, korea needs chuck norris
This sort of thing happened to me shortly after my 2nd dan black belt test. Big ego's + business interests don't usually mix well.
Jae Joon Kim tested every two months. The fee was about $30...
Very fast to earn your black belt.
This is a good thing. I like the old way. Thanks for sharing this video. I love you Chuck Norris and Gena. 💗😍👊💙
I am a martial artist as well, and I have went on to make my own school and am teaching my own style that is a combination of two styles that I have learned over 20 years of training and learning. I catch a lot of heck for it. I have been told that what I am doing is a dishonor to my teachers and the way of martial arts. Yet I don’t understand how.
Don't listen to that nonsense. Martial arts is an expression of your self and you take whatever you have learned and create whatever you want. Never let anyone decide or dictate how you live your life. Keep on keepin on! Tang Soo!
@@barrettokarate True talk. The moment you become a black belt you are expected to start exploring true knowledge starting from the most basic techniques. This enable you to fit techniques to situations and your physique. This is known as personal knowledge and it's the true path to self realization. This principle is general and it applies to all areas of human experience. When I replaced Shotokan Karate with Golf, I found myself on a similar journey.
Wow this is amazing Sensei Ichi! I always wondered how and why, Master Chuck Norris had branched off, from the original, main and central Tang Soo Do organisation in South Korea! It is good to see that your father, Grandmaster Dennis Ichikawa, was once graded for his initial black belt examination, by both master Pat Johnson, as well as Master Chuck Norris. Unfortunately such things, regarding politics, financial greed and social, ethical discord, are not only occurrences in Tang Soo Do.
In our own Kyokushin Karate system, after our founder Sosai Oyama Masutatsu passed away, many of the senior branch chief instructors, began to bicker and dispute amongst themselves, who should succeed him, as the widely accepted head of Kyokushin Karate, world wide!
Many chose to break away, forming their own organisation, to collect fees from dojos throughout the world, under their association. As your father mentioned, with us similarly, many Kyokushin Karate schools have severed their ties with Japan, the native motherland of our Kyokushin Karate. Given that like with Tang Soo Do in South Korea, Kyokushin Karate in Japan was also only interested in collecting grading fees, to issue out the belts, certificates, in exchange for monetary revenue, without actually examining the actual gradings world wide, despite them being filmed and sent to the assessing committee in Japan.
Thus these days many Kyokushin Karate schools, operate autonomously, or in collaboration, with Kyokushin Karate groups, outside of Japan. As Master Dennis Ichikawa mentioned here in this video, many of us, myself included remember the first time we graded for our first degree black belt. Grading standards have become more academically organised, in terms of the assessing curriculum, also the refinement, polishing and perfectioning of the techniques, compared to its earlier years.
Thank you for sharing this great interview of your father with us, yielding us an insight of how and why Master Chuck Norris, as well as Master Pat Johnson, decided to branch off, from the original South Korean, Tang Soo Do organisation. I hope all is well with you, your students and loved ones Sensei Ichi. Greetings from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺 ☺ ✌ 👍, as always. Osu! Juan.
Happens. A lot of politics in Martial Arts... pretty common.
You always passed jae joon kim's test. Nobody failed. Kim's karate Academy was the most talked about school in all of detroit.....in a bad way.
All i know is my best friend's nephew was over his house recently. He's in Middle school, about 12 going on 13? We were in the yard on a nice day. I had heard before that he was a black belt. I was like "black belt already? How long's he been taking Karate?" "Oh, about 4 years.." So in the yard I was simply curious and nicely asked him to do a few moves a couple of kicks for me. Wow, he could barely execute a good Roundhouse kick w/ out losing his balance. I had heard that some schools just hand out black belts after the kid goes a few years and the parents pay enough money over that time etc.
@@brianmucha6426 That is exactly how it was with jae joon kim. Kim's Karate Academy. They are located in brandon florida now...
@@brianmucha6426 , they will be raffling them next Brian. It's become a joke with some styles.
@@Steaks652 No it has not become a joke, It has been a joke for the last 40 years with these koreans.
A great story, thank you for sharing it. I myself was a part of C.S. Kim's ITF for a number of years, I found the politics manageable but somewhat annoying. My primary issue, as far as it went, was with how unrealistic the training was. It lacked any grappling and minimal realistic striking drills/training, it was not bad, but could use some improvement in its curriculum. I agree that having a solid black belt curriculum is extremely important. So long as it is not simply learning increasingly esoteric variations of the same drills and standing wrist locks and so on of course.
I also trained under C.S. Kim for about 15 years.
This man is blessed by me never a step out of line for you
Chuck Norris was criticised heavily for giving Black Belts to children who had only about a year in training. It seems that the business was most important over the art. And, to increase business get publicity. To quote P.T. Barnum:
“I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right.”
good to know - paid for that cheap rug on his head
Shocking.
Yeah, he franchised out like Mc Donald's.
My buddy said to never join a dojo that’s part of a corporate chain of dojos
He should be critisized for giving belts to kids with only a years training . He started the Mcdojo schools
..who cares about tests! Ive been practicing 20yrs now and never cared about a ridiculous over expensive piece of cloth! Just bring it on for a real test!
Robd collector I care about tests. Give me something to work towards, gets me excited about something, makes me nervous. Good for you tho, are you still actively training?
@@SenseiIchi , maybe the guy who isn't bothered about tests is more focused on self improvement and drives his own motivation to a higher standard.
Rowdy Yates there are many roads up the mountain.
@@SenseiIchi , that mountain is life.
TEST ARE BASE ON RULES !!!! THERE ARE NO RULES IN THE STREETS.!!!!.😎🙏👍📚📖📚...
My good friend is Mr.Norris’ Black Belt #2!
Chuck norris probably doesn't know it but jae joon kim and his sons talked about him behind his back for that......
1974 -- Remembering our school (Bob Burbidge, Woodland Hills Tang Soo Do) visiting and training with Tarzana Karate (Tang Soo Do) Wood floor. Better learn to fall. Tang Soo!!
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Great story,I really enjoyed listening how things were back then
Why thank you, I'll tell my padre you enjoyed it. He really likes hearing that people actually like and care about his old stories. Want more?!
Mr.Norris to his credit besides being 1 of the all time premier martial artists is also a John Wayne American.
True true
I can relate, my first. T k d teacher in Melbourne started teaching here as a red belt a ka brown belt. But had to go to Korea to get tested they made it , really hard for him
The declaration of independence finally happened with Chuck!!! Kudos!!!LOL
I’m a 1st degree black belt in Tang Soo Do. My grandmaster is C.I. Kim. Chuck Norris was a student of my grandmaster.
That is beyond cool! I'm really jealous.
Sensei Ichi very impressive about your dad. I study Korean Tang Soo Do. I started when I just turned 5 years old. I’m now 11. I just got my black belt 2 months ago. So it took me almost 6 years to get my black belt in Tang Soo Do. It’s very difficult to get a black belt in Tang Soo Do. You have to also know the academic parts. Basically learning the Korean language and the history. I am proud to be a Tang Soo So practitioner. My current goal is to get my 3rd degree before I graduate high school. I also have a black belt in TKD. Good luck to you maybe we will meet up on a conference someday. What dan are you?
@@kimuseni Thank you, I love my father he is one of the greatest men I know and I can only hope to be as great as him one day.
Congratulations on achieving your Black belt that is a very great feeling ! Never stop training, a black belt is a white belt that never quit and a grandmaster is a black belt that never quit.
If you ever see me at a Martial arts event be sure to come up and say hello!
I am a 7th dan, started training at age 3.
@@kimuseni no offense but many took credit for teaching Master Norris in Korea. There were several Asst Instructors, CS Kim, CI Kim,Ki Yun Yi, Ki Yul Yu but on record Grandmaster Jae Chul Shin was the head instructor at Osan Air Base while Master Norris was there. My father was also there around the end of Master Norris deployment and after. Master Norris Dan# 2819 my fathers is 5845 under original Moo Duk Kwan.
@Karate Kid 916 no offense taken. Thanks for the info. My grandmaster is Moo Duk Kwan Pin # 475. His instructor in Korea was Master Se Jhoon Oh (Pin # 26). Master Oh was a student of Grandmaster Hwang Kee, Tang Soo Do's founder.
I feel gaining a black belt inside three years is a sham. I trained nearly ten hard years to gain mine, competing at full contact and semi at international level, also kata competitions, along the way .Summer camps etc. Kyokushinkai. Hanshi Arneil was my examiner.
I feel like the tobacco industry is a sham too.
3 years nowadays would be a sham. But 50 years ago, those guys trained at least 6 hours a day 6 days a week. For 3 years. That adds up to 5 years of training these days. I got my black belt in 6 years, training twice a week, which I think is fair. But if anyone trains as much as they did back then, 3 years is more than enough time.
Spot on!!!!
@@spockvskhan4561 8 years for my first dahn in Tae Kwon Do. And it was a 3 hour exam PLUS a one hour physical conditioning test.
Doesn't Steve Arneil and Steve Morris have beef with one another? Morris rejected all karate and said its useless while saying his method is better
I tested before Raul Hernandez and Larry Rogers in"81" and again in "83" for 2nd black before Dick Terschell and a large panel of visiting black belts in Atlanta. I worked out for 11 years until I faded out of it when I could not seem to get a school going. I like that you have built an advanced program for black belts!
That sounds like quite the dais you've had to preform in front of .
It is tough to get a school going that is for sure. Building that traction and gaining a following isn't easy.
Thank you, our advanced program continues to change and grow to make this better, challenging and to create a better black belt.
@@SenseiIchi It was the very best testing performance I had ever achieved and at the time I never imagined I could ever drop out. Are you still part of the Chuck Norris system?
We are not no.
Chuck Norris didn't cut ties with Korea, it was the ties that cut Korea with him!
hahaha nice, nice.
Much Respect
I've been skinny my whole life, now age 68 July of 2021. I started Kyokushin in '68 just before high school. In my first month, I moved away from home and next door to my 2 favorite instructors. The school taught 1 1/2 hrs/day, 3 days/wk. Half of the training was standing around or doing worthless warmups. Not very worthwhile for survival. The other half was the usual standing in one place while punching and kicking which again wasn't very worthwhile for survival. But at their home, I trained 5 hrs/day 7 days/wk for 8 years, learning mostly pressure point fighting, ballistic strikes and one strike, one kill techniques. Because of my 35 hr/wk training, I excelled in ranks and won every fight. After paying $500 for my 3rd black belt tests, at a time when a 2 bedroom apartment was only $350 and I was struggling to pay rent, my head instructor, Steven Michael Senne, said he's not going to give me my 3rd black belt because he heard that I said if I wasn't going to get my black belt I was going to quit. Kyokushin was my life. It saved my life. I was going to be in it forever. But when I was looked down on from the people I admired most in the world, and was told they heard something I would have never said even on a bad day, and losing my rent utilities and food money for an entire month, I was so devastated that I quit and fell into a deep state of depression for a whole year. Steven and his 2 minion Master instructors bumped into me at the park and insulted me so much that I attacked them and beat the crap out of them. I then went on to study Kung Fu under Kam Yuen, Reseda CA, for 3 years, then 10 years of kickboxing under undefeated world champion Benny the jet Urquidez in Van Nuys CA. And studied Judo for 3 yrs from a friend at home. I built my own gym in my old age and now I still train 3 hrs/day from watching RUclips videos. Always a bad taste in my mouth from my original Karate system.
1973.. few years ago.... time flies
Very interesting story. I know there is always more to it. But I value the narrative
Thank you? There is always more to every story, my father is just telling it from his perspective on the day of his test, many moons ago...
i find it disrespectful ifyou want to cut ties with a organisation go to the founder and get your blessing to go your way or just call your art something else don't just call your art the same name while teaching different things that was not created by the founder
Cool story. I admire Chuck Norris for starting the new Organization.
Awesome stuff
I don't fully know Norris's reasons, so I don't know if I agree with his decision. I will say though that it has impacted a lot of people either way, I've heard mostly for good. So, good for Norris.
I thought family members weren't allowed to watch black belt exams? My family wasn't allowed to. They weren't even allowed to watch my junior black belt exam.
Chuck Norris the world's greatest human
1. I was very nervous just before my BB Test, I was never so happy to have something over with.
2. You said your test was not long, the is suggestive as I have seen some that are 24 hours long, ours are 2 hours....
3. We have classes for BB's the issue is many people get the 1st degree and they are done and out of the percentage that stays many are gone after 2nd degree.
I started TKD in my mid teens in the mid 80's. Talking to some people who train in TKD now, it seems like it has become lax. An instructor I spoke with a few years ago was surprised with the warm up techniques and kicking practices, saying she thought it was unnecessary but I disagree. The training pushed your body and made you better as you conquered your own challenges. I did not go through to black belt 3 below black before deciding to more practice at home to explore what best suits me without instructors pulling me in line for not being traditional.
Black tip grading were always fascinating to observe.
I am Mr. Norris’ 3990th black belt
The day that Chuck Norris severed ties with Korean Tang Soo Do was the day that "Chun Kuk Do" was born. You don't want to mess with a Chun Kuk Do fighter. Their kicks will knock you into next week.
Kyokushin & that's a rap!
Very interesting story, but the thumbnail was a little misleading for me. I train with the WTSDA, founded by Grandmaster Shin (the gentleman in the thumbnail). I felt it suggested that KCN Shin was the entity that Chuck Norris separated from, but in reality, KCN Shin had already left the MDK that the Korean Masters were running by 1973 and had "retired" from the martial arts until founding the WTSDA in 1982. Still, it was very interesting to hear.
Agreed, i found the thumbnail to also be a clickbait. At least there wasn't a personal attack in the video Towards Grandmaster Shin
Many organizations have failed due to greed and ego. The solution is love and hard training.
Amen!
Putting in a reward for the 11th ace Dan
Chuck Norris made a mistake that day he made the test before he cut ties with Korea. The ‘cut ties with Korea”, should have been done after or before the testing for Black Belt.
Korean Martial Art was already a fractured zoo like collection of Martial Arts before Chuck Norris separated from the Korean organization.
Today, Tang Soo Do maintained some of its Japanese pedigree which is still practiced in Shotokan Karate. This is a good thing for Tang So Do.
The curricula for the Chuck Norris Organization should be a base on Shotokan Karate. I know it’s a Korean Martial Art but the students and the black belts can compete in any Shotokan Karate competition around the world
Depriving the Black Belt students of their chance to connect with other students and teachers can limit their chances of growing as a martial artist.
Chuck Norris est une veritable encyclopedie vivante . Il possede le plus haut grade au monde 9 ou 10 Eme dan de Tang Soo Do . Respect a vous Maitre !!!
Chuck norris est vraiment génial. Je vais peut-être le rencontrer cette année! Si je le fais, je devrai en faire une vidéo pour poster sur ma chaîne, restez à l'écoute ... Merci pour vos commentaires!
MY I ask. What year did your father break off from Mr Norris? My instructor Master Lane began in 1980. We teach American Tang Soo Do, but he’s still active in the Chuck Norris System. Because what we teach is the older version though it’s really not up to date with why you see in the CNS today. From what I see we do much more of what you guys do, but I believe your dad was part of the NTC, and not UFAF correct? That would be wear we separate, but again very similar.
I saw you doing a video in which you said you were talking a break. Good for you. It is important to do so from time to time. Take your time and come back strong, the martial arts need energy of gentlemen like you!
I became a Tang Soo Do black belt in 2000.
Pretty much understandable and reasonable. We cannot say it is just a politics. Back then the environment of martial arts in korea wasn't good enough to take care of out side of country. And they had to rely on the instructors in USA; Rather than sending students to korea or bring korean master for their tests..
Flying out to abroad was not that easy at that time and flight cost was more expensive back then comparably.
The hardest/best day of my life was the day I tested for my black belt
I can hear the Texas ranger theme song in the background
Introducing the ace Dan
By Presidential decree every time Chuck Norris trims his beard the whiskers are gathered and buried at Arlington cemetery with full honors
They say the only thing wrong with Korean martial arts are the Koreans. Cool explanation, and having been through that a couple of times (5th Dan) I can relate, it killed my love of Taekwondo
What do you mean? I thought they were very strict with their training(generally speaking).
Without the Koreans, they wouldn't have the art unfortunately. Thank you, I'll be having my father tell more stories like this. So get ready!!
@@peposo7 Sadly, from what I have witnessed, money talks. When I took my first Dan, all i needed was the time spent training between grades and to be simply good enough to progress. Then they began to see money could be made in the £1000s, you had to have attended this course and that course ( no different to a normal training session )register with this society and that association and all at a premium (IE, Basic first aid qualification, through a local authority would cost around £5 a head if you got say 10 people, through various associations it would be £100 )some just , invented to make money and then there was 2 a year, then 4 a year, then one a month.Being told we charge not enough for a lesson, I could go on and on as it sounds as if I am bitter, which I am not .My 6th dan was going to set me back somewhere near £600, which is why I never progressed. Saying that, I loved my time as a student and teacher, plus I got to meet some amazing people and some that I still call friends to this day
@@SenseiIchi So right, I loved my training at times with the Koreans and I learned a lot and was very privledged to travel and train in S Korea, but when as a 5th Dan, you got to a training session in S Korea and have a 2nd Dan teaching you a yellow belt lesson as if we were ignorant, its ridiculous, his face was a picture when he found out that a majority of grades were higher than he was and walked off away from his stage with a PA holding an umbrella so he didnt get sunburnt. :)
@@kevallison so it could be said that in that school instance, if you're interested in the martial/fighting skill attributes/concept, there is no need to go further a certain rank.
hello sensei ichi, big fan of your channel! Just wondering what you think of the chuck norris ufaf system? Been reading a lot about it and wondering if you think just as good or practical as traditional tang soo do. i read that it has bjj and krav maga incorporated in it as well and wondering if studying that art over traditional tang so doo perhaps mixed in with bjj would be better. any thoughts or opinions from any experience you have with that system would be greatly appreciated. thanks a lot!
I thought in dangsu do you were referred to as Sabom nim not Sensei.
Ah...a story from a few years ago...46 years ago...
yup, just a couple.
Chuck Norris once fired Korea.
That's the word around the campfire
With all do respect but im confused? My tang soo do school didn't have black belts but instead have midnight blue belts....?
I read all the comments but I can't find a joke about Chuck norris 👀
Hmm... You have a video with Camarillo Shotokan's Sensei Shawn (the place where I started Martial Arts) and now this Tang Soo Do studio appears to be from T.O, Westlake. Something tells me you guys are close by.
We are, we are.
I’ve seen the same thing in Okinawan karate, USJA and USJF, Japanese and USA Goju Ryu schools and in Aikido with the politics between the USAF and Hombu Dojo in Tokyo. I personally stay aligned with the Okinawan and Japanese organizations however, the Korean martial arts like TSD and TKD are absolutely all business and focus on the money first and foremost.
That's what I hear, very sad that business gets in the way. It is the way of the world sometimes.
What's the difference between American tang soo do and moo duk kwan tang soo do? Or is it the same thing?
Great video on a turning point in TSD history in America!
Clarification, please? There's an image of GM Jae Chul Shin from WTSDA at the start of the video but WTSDA didn't form until 1982. Wouldn't the organization in Korea that the testing letters been sent to have been Moo Duk Kwan; at the time, headed by GM Hwang Kee? In 1970, Jae Chul Shin would have been in America.
That!
@@barrettokarate correct 100%. My father was GM Shins right hand and assisted in creating WTSDA. GM Shin tried his best to get Chuck there at the founding of WTSDA but he was unsuccessful. Chuck was over the politics of Korea by then and unfortunately it took my dad quite a few more yrs to figure this out. I'm not a random troll btw. Find me on FB n I'll gladly share some of the historical docs I have from the founding of WTSDA. No matter where you stand just train hard. Tang Soo!! Gm Ishikawa looks great BTW glad he's still at it.
I don't give a damn if your student number 999 the fact that you have his signature on your certificate is a novelty and cool as hell in itself.
Right?! Super cool
Sensei Ichi Despite some of the cheese ball marketing etc Chuck Norris is still a legend. Some of his movies were the reason that kids got into karate.
Chuck Norris was voted most likely to save a pow using a mule kick by a senior class
What a crappy thing to do, dangle people's dreams in front of them and force them to make a choice at that moment without all the information.
I don’t give a dam. There no way I would have gone with Chuck Norris. We are taking about the birth place of the art. History and then some. This is crazy 😜.
I’m first degree black belt in taekwondo that the style came from North Korea Chung do Kwan . I could never find any of the forms on the internet from ones I practice . I’m guessing this really old style karate hard to find anything on. It
18 yrs to get my second. The rest came by time 3 to 4 yrs apart. 32 yrs in Hapkido. Okinawa most these people don't know a real 9 hour test
What do you do for 9 hours?
Start with workout, all techniques both sides, counters, push ups-sit ups, all katas weapons one step and up sparing then spar 1on 1 to 1 on 3 then them with weapons and then spar the teacher.
Hey did you do your black belt test with Kang UK Lee? He is Dan Number 70. I ask because he made my style of tang soo do
Actually Dennis, this was an issue with Bob Wall and the true teacher, Gordon Doversola. Okinawa-te but Chuck and people like John Hanrahan, and some others parted ways with Doversola and created the TSD federation. and others like Lima Lama, WaTeRyu etc; basically.=integrity
Wrong. Chuck was originally a member of Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do under Grandmaster Hwang Kee. How are you going to come on here and dispute something straight from a direct student of Chuck? The Moo Duk Kwan was very controlling and many got tired of it. My father and Chucks original instructor also left the Moo Duk Kwan in 1982 and founded World Tang Soo Do Association. Moo Duk Kwan sued them for using the name Moo Duk Kwan I have shared the original documents on fb group.
money money money its all about the MONEY that is the size of it
We have a school here that got their Black belt credentials by mail order from New York..
Yeee yikes. Feels so impersonal right?
@@SenseiIchi More like unprofessional.. I wouldn't want an surgeon w/ a mail order degree.
Curious. Could. Chuck Norris do well in a official. Match in Korea
It's all about money , power and control. Nothing changed. Just look at Henry the eighth and the Pope. Henry the eighth broke with the papacy and formed his own Church of England.
We are a Korean Tang so Doo school, what is the difference between American and Korean Tang so do ?
I want to say the influence of China from Japan. Also American TSD has implemented more outside arts into its system... Judo, jujitsu, Krav maga, Hapkido etc.
@@SenseiIchi The truth is that there were splits in the original Kwans over the unification of the Korean Taesoodo Association (renamed the Korean Taekwondo Association in 1965). Some of the Moo Do Kwan people converted to Taekwondo to be part of the unification, while others remained in the Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Do organization with GM Hwang Kee.
good stuff
Thank you!
Chuck Norris,Joe Lewis,Benny Urquidez, Bruce Lee , being Americans, are innovative and non traditionalist. If you affiliate your school with Korea or Japan, they will dictate your teaching/grading syllabus etc. For starters, wearing boxing gloves and sparring full contact , would not go well with those affiliate bodies.
I have not found your comment to be true. I have been practicing Taekwondo since 1973, have been promoted to 8th Dan (without ever asking to be tested), and no one tells me what to teach. There are stated requirements for Kukkiwon promotions (which certainly informs, but does not dictate what or how I teach), and I have personal authority to promote up to 7th Dan. Only for 8th and 9th Dan does one have to fly to Korea to test (which I did in 2015). High Dan rank is not important unless you are an instructor, because the higher your Dan rank, the higher you can promote your students.
Why do you have a picture of Grandmaster Shin (RIP) ? Who is not only my Grandmaster, But, was also Chuck Norris's instructor. There's alot ppl don't know............
Wink
Probably one of the more unedifying stories in the Martial arts. Politics , money, and misplaced nationalism. The street opponent couldn't care less.
@D core That spelling is Hollywood, pal . Lol
Nice
You're nice.
for most people it's all about fasion and fame
I know it is for Cardi B.
A Chuck Norris is bachelor party he ate the entire cake before his friends could tell him there was a stripper in it
No ---its he got What he wanted and once they do that
..youre " unknown"
Mrs Norris was a point fighter. Not ful contact.That's not fighting. Try getting in a cage. 😁