Tang Soo do vs Kenpo: KICKS | ART OF ONE DOJO
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2019
- Tang Soo Do Vs Kenpo!
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This is the 3rd of 3 videos we are making in collaboration with Sensei Ichi. In this episode we compare the similarities and differences between the kicks of American Tang Soo Do and American Kenpo
Part 1: • Tang Soo Do VS Kenpo :...
Part 2: • Tang Soo Do vs Kenpo: ...
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"Ring the bell or jam the radar!" I died. LOL! I love that.
Sensei Dan and Sensei Ichi, thank you both immensely, for your kind collaboration, in bringing us your audiences and the martial arts community at large, a respectful comparison of your respective self defense systems.
Once again here in this video segment, I can see kicking techniques, that you both have showcased, being similar or the same, as our Kyokushin Karate kicks. However you both have kicks that are not existent in our martial art style. I found also the 'bunkai' or application for your kicks, very interesting. In other words why you perform your various kicks at different angles, at various heights, as well as with the various parts of the foot, to target particular parts of the body. We our selves think of our front leg, as the equivalent of the leading punching hand, as a jab. While like the back hand in terms of punching, our back leg when kicking it is offense and also the power knockout kick.
We combine both fast snapping, quick, high kicks like in taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Hapkido, etc. While also deploying the lower, shin and knee kick strikes to the thighs, stomach, ribs of Muay Thai. It was great to see the collaborating and comparative analogy, of both of your great arts of Tang Soo Do and American Kenpo Karate. This was definitely an educational, eye opener, of which I learned more vastly and deeply, about both of your combat systems, Osu! Greetings to you both as always from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺🥋✌👍😊🤛🤜👊.
Loved the series! Looking to get back into martial arts really let me see what I might want to do based on looking at the basics. Very well done, both of you!
At the American Tang Soo Do school that I trained at we referred to both 2:38 as "heel" kicks. Either standing or slide-up heel kick and the second "spinning heel" kick. Also, the former we had two versions of those. The first is the way Justin showed ("Chuck Norris" version as we call it in the system) and one where we shoot the kick out like a side kick then do the hooking motion ("Bill Wallace" style). One big difference between Justin and myself is that at my school we never did knife edge side kicks 4:26. We also have both the lifting heel kick and scoop kick. Because we allowed groin shots in sparring (as did tournaments back in the day) we would do the former in matches. The "angle" kick isn't in our system (at least it wasn't in my instructor's curriculum), but I do believe it or a more exaggerated version is found in traditional Korean Tang Soo Do.
Sensei's. I like the way you both describe the kicks used in both systems. I am a former Red belt in American Tang Soo Do (GM Richard Byrne). Since moving and unable to find an American Tang Soo Do dojo near me, I turned to American Kenpo (GM Ed Parker style). Regarding the last kick you described, the reverse inward front kick is also used in Tang Soo Do. It is called a reverse round kick (or in Korean Peet Cha Gi). Thanks for sharing!
AMAZING SERIES, BOTH OF YOU GENTLEMEN :) . Keep up the Good Fight!
AWESOME COLLABIRATION!!! Hope to see more in the future with other arts. Two thumbs up...
Great Video!! Thank you for taking the time to make it and post it! OSS!!
Nice work guys. Really enjoyed this series. Very informative.
Great video.
Really like the basics demonstrated.
Awesome
Sensei Dan. Thank you for your chanel. and thank you for your focus on Kenpo, while also openly recognizing and analyzing other Martial Arts. Your Art of One Dojo has been an inspiration for me in my Kenpo journey for both my jutsu and my Do.
Thank you so much for the kind words! This channel is a quest for my own learning as well and I really enjoy sharing and growing :) Thank you for being a part of this channel.
I really liked this series. Thanks, guys.
Excellent video collaboration between both martial artists, loved it! Very entertaining, informative, and interesting. Look forward to seeing more collaborations between different arts! 👍 Funny too!...lifting heel kick; ring the bell...(my favorite part is kicking the help 🤪...Zak, you are an awesome uke/assistant) One video can be on all the protective equipment Zak must wear... underneath the gi/uniform for protection. Cup, rash guard, shin guards, life insurance, sperm bank 🤪.
i am going to start tang soo do soon , this was helpful. thank you!
This was totally badass! More please.
Really liked this series! Would love to watch more styles comparisons
So this is a great video topic! Very interesting. I practice hapkido and our kicks are totally different than both styles mentioned. We lean back on the front kick thrust, but did only straight leg crescents. We don’t include snapping motions due to ligament damages that could incur. Some small differences. Very cool!
That was a great series sensei really enjoyed it, and if we didn't win with the kicks let's hope we didn't lose 🙂 keep the faith 👊
Both styles of kicks look amazing!
I love the collaboration. Please do more collaborations. 😀
That is the plan! We want to build a productive and positive online Martial Arts network, so talking and sharing with others is paramount to that mission :) Thank you for being a part of this!
Me encanta el tango soo do..
Es muy vistoso y espectacular!!..
Tank's😀👍👌✌️
As a kickboxer i learnt a lot of the kenpo variations
In Okinawan Karate I learnt the Tang Soo Do variation
Amazing
very interesting !
It would be awesome if you do a collab video with Jesse Enkamp.
That would be amazing. We might still be too small, he must get a ton of requests.
Ryo Sakazaki second!
in the front kick i lean back a little bit to open my hip to be able to deliver the kick with more thrusting power( thrusting but then usually rechambering and coming back), it is actually pretty difficult to explaining without being able to demonstrate it so i hope you understood.
btw i really enjoy your videos :)
M.G.
its obviously also done for balance and reach but the main thing is power
so cool
Damn, those are powerful.
Good technique. Keep it up
I think (TSD) we call your inverted front kick a Peet Cha Gi (somebody correct me) my Grandmaster loves this one. Straight to the groin or lower stomach. Sneaky and hard to block if done correctly from the correct distance. I enjoyed this comparison and open friendly sharing. Tang Soo!
I recently developed an interest in Karate but for health purposes. Is there any good websites you can recommend that teach kata?
I just watched Sensei Ichikawa on another channel. Looking to get into Karate and the martial arts, not sure which one to pursue.
Cool sir 👍
I'm a bb in TKD and the reason for that lean on our front kick is balance and a better snap to the kick itself. we wont fall off balance despite how it looks.
Totally agree with you their Mr Dan, very similar kicks from both forms. It’s the philosophy, combined with the purpose, that we can see subtle differences from the two. This brings into play the martial arts of it all. Well done to you both. Friends for Life!
In our style we do the front kick like Tang Soo Do. Purpose is additional reach, counter balance as well as, more so if a simultaneous kick from the opponent forthcoming. First to touch and transfer that energy into your opponent WINS! A well timed front kick will always beat a turning kick in our books.
Also our style teaches a no look back kick, which is different to you both. A hard kick to master for sure, and very hard to counter due to its speed and power.
Yes, I saw that Sensei Ichi commented on the no look back kick. A little unsettling for me lol. The step turn kick I demonstrate in the video can be a no turn, that step lines you up perfectly but in Kenpo we always practice looking...just in case.
This was a fun project, I'm really happy you enjoyed it and yep, made a new awesome friend in the process :)
It seemed like a fun project. The banter was classic. Though Sensi Ichi seems a bit more cheeky 🤪. All in good fun.
I wonder what more you have in store for us 😉.
Stuff :D
You're right about the lean back while doing the front kick in Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo. Personally When I was first learning I was told it was for counter balance however I know many people who use it simply for the extra reach. My coach here in China is a rather short guy compared to most of the class, (he is about 5'4" while I'm 6'2" and even most of the other male Chinese students are at or around 6' even the female students tend to be around 5'6") so he has shown how effective the lean can be at getting inside when normal reach is not enough.
I do have a question for you Sensei Dan, when I was learning my round kicks early on, I was taught to kick through as opposed to snapping the kick does American Kenpo have any version like that or do you tend to only snap them?
Good question! Generally speaking, in a self defense situation we'll deliver the round kick and tend to "replant" our foot where we need it. We have technique sequences that deliver both snapping and kicking through, as well as the replanting. For example, we have one technique to evade an over head club attack. We get off the line of attack and deliver a quick snapping round kick to the ribs or groin (whichever target is available), from that kick we won't return back, but we'll place it down into a stance in which the kicking leg will press up and check off the attacker's lead leg, cancelling their ability to use that leg to step or kick (at least for a second or two).
Sometimes we'll snap the kick and return it but we do also have round kicks that will drive through the target, mainly the downward round kicks to the leg or if we're kicking the inside of the thigh and we want to blow out their stance.
@@ArtofOneDojo Thanks, yeah usually the round kick that we would use through as opposed to snapping would tend to be waist high or lower. We have the replant as well, just not used too often, mostly for getting inside. Thanks for discussing these things with me, I really enjoy learning more about different Martial Arts as well. You and your team rock!
Very similar, although TKD has it's roots in Tang Soo Do, so that'd make since, at my childhood school front leg was "defensive" kicks and back leg was "offensive"...wow I just left a comment on another channel that ALL the best martial artist I can name have done boxing in some capacity... I should really take up boxing...
I tend to lean back a little on my front kicks. I don't think of it as leaning back, but rather driving the hips forward. Doing that also moves my head further away from my opponents possible punches.
I also lean back on my thrust ball kicks so I can drive my hips forward for more power. Thanks
I also lean back on my thrust ball kicks so I can drive my hips forward for more power. Thanks
For the spinning back kick, you don't have to look once you're more advance, you guage the distance, and remember where they were and the direction they were going, spin and fire the kick
I will agree in that you don't HAVE to look in order to land your kick. Skill in gauging distance and all that is totally correct. However, there is always the variable of something changing and it's a good idea to see if they move, adjust, or do something to try to counter. I have deflected and stopped a LOT of spinning back kicks in sparring for this exact reason.
@@ArtofOneDojo spinning back kick is probably my best kick next to the roundhouse or spinning hook
Can you talk about the subject of Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan???
Being 4th Dan TKD and 3rd Dan Kenpo karate I would have loved to seen you do those two systems
Who knows, maybe that will be a future collaboration :)
@@ArtofOneDojo That would be awesome since Kenpo and TaeKwondo both hit the U.S with in a few years of one another. They are both the yin and yang.... black and white....complete opposites of one another and have been in rivalry every since.
Kenpo hit the US in 1954
TaeKowndo hit the US in 1963
Kenpo black uniform
TKD White uniform
Kenpo Pretty much hands
TKD pretty much feet
Kenpo was west coast based
TKD was East coast based
Kenpo Held the biggest US martial arts tournament
TKD became and Olympic sport
Kenpo had influence on Bruce Lee
TKD had influence on Bruce Lee
Kenpo biggest hit movie Prefect weapon came out in March 15, 1991
TKD biggest hit movie Best of the Best came out in November 10, 1989
I can go on and on and both of these style. They have always been at odds with one another. I teach both systems so I know the distaste from both sides. Its pretty deep and would take a long discussion to explain that. Being biracial I guess i can understand this rivalry a little better than most will admit to but I have to say it was awesome to have both a 5th dan TKD master and a 6th dan Kenpo "master" sit at my school as witness for my first students to black belt.
I love both systems for what they truly are and I dont pander to either side about this ones hands are as good as the other and this ones feet are as good as the other. They both have strong and weak points and when you accept that then you can appreciate hard work over the year people have put into both arts as purest to their art!
............................In the end they both tie the belt the same :D
@@shawnscorpion3589 I LOVE Best of the Best! Such a great film. This could be in interesting topic, you do point out a lot of great Parallels.
Mr. Dan this 3 part series was awesome Dairy is a lot of similarity but also a lot of difference but that's just my opinion isn't t.s.d. mostly kicks like T.W.D.
I was always told we lean back in the front kick in taekwondo to gain power and always as remove our head from the center line defense. In taekwondo. Would the back look same in all styles of kenpo?
as for leaning back...personally I only use that to reach head height...
What will the next video be covering
Martial arts ;)
I practice soo bahk do, wich is similar to tang soo do... The front kick leaning back have multiple uses... First, counter balance... second, reach... Third, getting as much power without losing control... And my favorite, by leaning back while kicking, your head is a harder to hit target...
Isn't Soo Bahk Do one of the original roots of Tang Soo Do? It's a very popular and effective style :)
Good point about the head further away from the target. In Kenpo, we understand that risk but since we're driving through the target the lean won't work for us, but we teach our students to keep those hands up and protect that skull! :)
If I catch any of our young students dropping their hands while kicking, I will cup my hand on their face and pull them off balance (gently of course, nothing that hurts them but it's enough to make them panic for a second and keep their hands up the next time I walk around)
@@ArtofOneDojo there is an old art called subak, and then there is soo bahk do, soo bahk do is an offshoot of tang soo do, ceeated by the same guy you talked about in your "history of taekwondo" video ñ_ñ
I highly recomend you to look up a guy... I think he is called something like steve grandeza or something like that... Is ansoo bahk do guy who participated in some full contact, then did some kick boxing, and finally went to mma where he failed misserably... But everything else went quite well, is fun to watch him fight ñ_ñ
@@gingercore69 I know of Subak and it's different, but I meant Soo Bahk Do is a root of TSD because Hwang Kee was one of the original schools. From what I understood, Soo Bahk Do is what Hwang Kee renamed Moo Duk Kwan.
@@ArtofOneDojo well, the way it was told to me by my master, is that hwang kee created first a style called something like "hwa soo do" or something like that... Wich is translated as "the fist of the flower" or something... Then renamed it tang soo do, and then it branched into tang soo do and soo bahk do, both under the mu duk kwan organization... But im not an expert in the history of the mu duk kwan...
In other words, if you go to argentina you will find schools that say "tang soo do mu duk kwan" , and others that say "soo bahk do mu duk kwan"
Btw, i missed a d in my first comment, i practiceD soo bahk do just noticed it... Its been almost 10 years so, i may be remembering things wrong... Cant be sure about that... I know my korean is rusty for sure x'D
I love.... Tang soo do
I had the most difficult with side kicks. I could not "roll" my hip over enough. I always went straight up. I also had trouble with the back kick. My favorite kick was the round kick. Mostly back leg round kick.
Natalie Shannon the twist of the base foot will help with that hip turn over. Fought it myself from day one. Hip cannot turnover if the base foot isn’t really faced away away from the kick.
HAY art of ONE!! Love your stuff and cannot wait for you to cover some good kenpo vs chinese *insert martial art here* - some choices - Hung Gar Kuen, Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut, any praying mantis style, any white crane style, please NOT performance wushu! After all most kenpo has a very very heavy chinese influence. *bows and salutes* Kenpo kicks are done a little more like chinese kicks, more snap and pullback than thrust.
Have you guys examined Hapkido kicks? They are yet again different and some appear very devastating.
No not yet, but Hapkido is definitely an art I'd like to cover.
Art of One Dojo Sounds good!
Do one on Kempo jujitsu cause that is what I do and I’ve wondered is it Kempo or jujitsu?
This is an intereting questions, as at one point American Kenpo was called "Kenpo JuJutsu" for the purpose of being familiar. At the time most people didn't know what Karate was, but they heard of JuJutsu. Today there are various versions of Kenpo that use that term. This could be an interesting study on it's own.
Thanks 🤗 This really helped I love you videos sooooo much too
What I do not understand: Tang Soo Do has strong influences from Karate. In Karate you do Mawashi Geri aka Round(-house) kick with the ball of the foot as impact area. Why does Tang Soo Do do it with the span of the foot? You can kick much harder with the ball of the foot. If you kick as hard with the span as impact area, you hurt your foot.
Bro, I do Tang soo do. I am red & black. From, India
Would be great to have been zoomed out more to see the footwork
I did a back kick once in a self-defense scenario, but the guy just ran at me and I was standing against a wall so It was just a quick jab in the gut then he fell down...also this was in elementary school...I should wait till the end of these videos and put all my thoughts in one comment...
Douglas Kurtz we only use back kicks when creating distance look from the corner of your eye don’t turn your head all the way then blast your heel into the target it’s even stronger when someone runs into it
Tang soo do karate 😊😊😊😊
Your style is so similar to Goju Ryu, can see why JS did the two
Kenpo is actually fairly different, and unique in it's approach in a lot of ways.
I don't Chamber my Kicks. I try to kick with much Power and Speed, but in my opinion, the Chamber slows down the whole process. I know most experts, Including you guys and Joe Rogan, disagree with this. But I just found that it works best for me. Also, I rarely ReCoil my Kicks, but I do recoil my punches, to keep my Guard up.
Nick: Do you do savate? From what I know, savate chambers most of their kicks. I chamber most of mine, but not all where speed is the most important aspect. I think it's pretty much a given that the greater the chamber, usually the more power one can develop. As for recoil, I usually use a Muay Thai roundhouse so there is no recoil, but for other kicks, I do bring them back enough so that I hope they are not caught by my opponent.
what i do is based on Physics, JKD, and Savate (for fashion purposes). I can understand the Chamber if you need to kick over something, for example. As far a Recoil, you can also bring something to the Side or Forward so that it doesn't get caught by an opponent. Most styles like MMA and hard2hurt are Punch, Punch, Kick. but mine is more like Kick, Kick, Punch :)
@@214warzone Cool!
When sparring, try one round of punch/kick. Then try another round of mostly kick/punch. And see what kind of results you come up with 😊
Chambering is very useful for doubling up kicks. For example faking low to get your opponent to drop their guard the kick them in the head. I use it alot in sparring. I haven't tested whether chambering gives more power, but I think it helps to maintain balance so you don't over extend become of balance and vulnerable to counter attack.
Show off (with the high spinning back kick. Lol.
Chicken kick is in the kenpo encyclopedia...just saying.
Kicking the balls is a bad idea. You have to "bullseye" your kick, that is hard in the fight. Also the succes of "ball kick" depends from resistent of your opponent. Kicking the balls may upset your opponent, so he became more aggressive towards you.
I disagree. It CAN be effective. It's not always an end all move, but it doesn't have to be a bullseye target. People who don't know how to fight very often stand in compromised ways and it doesn't have to be a direct foot strike, shin kicks work too. The groin is a soft target, just like the eyes, and throat are. It can DEFINITELY be an effective area to strike.
Damn, the "retarded ball kick."
tang soo do
Well "Sensei" in TSD the term for instructor is
Sa Bom Nim. You should just call yourself Shotokan. As for Kempo Kenpo which ever you prefer, kicking is not as sophisticated as TSD. If someone doesn't kick high that's how you beat them same as in TKD they don't use their hands so you use hands to beat them. This seems to be a Kenpo slanted series but I've seen very few demonstrations?
Atsdkarate.com
Good luck!
There is more difference between Shotokan and Tang Soo Do than the term for teacher. Sensei Ichi is half Japanese and as it's part of his heritage he chooses to use the term "Sensei". Absolutely nothing wrong with that. He also has some fun videos entering a Shotokan tournament and exploring the differences in the Kata.
And yes, this series is Kenpo slanted because they are on my channel, but Sensei Ichi has the other half of this series on his channel and it's more focused on Tang Soo Do. :)
Radar?, I think that's backwords?
Actual combat is known in real fighting. Showing different kicks are not fighting.
Yo! You showed the retard kick or reverse round house... That’s like a kenpo secret kick wouldn’t even display lol
American arts are merely a mix of Asian arts ,primarily Chinese Japanese and Korean, which were brought back to America by an American, who then claimed the art was somehow American in origin. Karate is hundreds of years old, a lot older than the united states of america itself. If it was not for the unique teachings of the east, there would be no martial arts practiced in america. The very same thing is being done with BJJ. Ju jitsu is a japanese art which gave birth to Judo via master Kano. Judo was eventually taught to many different countries including the US and Brasil. But somehow they suddenly became American arts. Can you see the pattern emerging. Respect is a huge part of martial arts, turning them into western sports and the students into prize fighters, is about as disrespectful as it gets.
To be fair, just about every art globably is merely a mixture of different arts and style that came before it, and many arts that are hundreds of years old or older, competed for sports. Competition is what sharpens the skills in as close of a combat situation as possible, and that goes back a long time (look at Greco Roman Wrestling).
I like that the tang soo do guy is in shape
But you talk too much Mr.Kempo and not showing much of YiDi kicks !
😜
Taking peoples money, teaching them nothing, the first instructor can actually kick!
Trust me, so can the second one.
its the same martialart.
Loving the fact that this guy can't kick for shit
You haven't felt them ;) There are many that would disagree with you.
You need to talk slowly it is not a race
This kick demonstraor like rapper like eminem...