Thanks for this, and your whole series of videos. I didn't know much about the Vaughans, except that they're big-wigs in Wales ( where I hale from ), but Tretower is a special place for me, sitting in the Usk valley which is my favourite of all. I'm now planning on Herbert and Vaughan for my Yorkist force as well. Got to get the Welsh in somewhere !
There are several Vaughan families from the area. They are usually named after where they lived. Roger was Roger of Bredwardine Castle. QHis son lived at Tretower Court. There were several others but not related. So with your last name being Vaughan you would have to trace your family tree to see if you are indeed related to Roger of Bredwardine. Their crests were all different also, another way of seeing who they are. My mothers family crest , Roger’s, is 3 heads of a child with a snake around their necks. When I was a child I heard my grandfather tell the story of Agincourt and others.
This was such a rad video to stumble upon! Being not only the 17th Great-Grandson of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower, but also a table top mini hobbyist as well! This was such a rad video and you really killed it on the models!! (My father is also a 7th son of a 7th son, kinda weird with your channel name being 7th Son as well, haha!--What are the odds?!)
I see the three heads of our family crest. I grew up listening to my Welsh grandfather tell me these tales. My mother told me that comes from his wife gad triplets who had the cord around their neck when born. If this is wrong someone please tell me. !
really lovely models and really enjoy you giving the history behind the people and models that you paint its very enjoyable and handy for someone like me that doesnt know much about the wars of the roses even though i am interested in it and been to a few of the battlefields
Tempting us to start painting knights again, how should we resist? " Just one more box". Great looking command stand, well done!👍😃 Very intressting history too. Thx.
Impressive cv for Sir Roger, still fighting in his sixties and having previous going back to Agincourt. Such an interesting character for your army. Looks great with the banner parked next to Sir William Herbert and his boys. Well done Martin, your mini history lessons in these videos really help drive my interest in this period. Many Thanks.
It looks really nice mate, I agree with you about flags. Used to annoy me playing WHFB when it was 1 flag per regt as flags had rules. Much better to have them as just decoration I think. (Rant over lol). Lovely to hear some history as well. I really liked the Perry guy being lazy at the back, reminded me I want to buy their "at attention" Naps.
Cheers bud 👍 glad you enjoyed it. Couldn't agree more about the flags unless the flag has a game effect or historically the unit only had one then fine but in the medieval period certainly - go for your life haha 😃
Don't feel bad, someone had to be them 👍😃 to be fair i will be doing some Lancastrians at some point and as im doing the Nevilles they basically ended up on that side 👍
Very nice unit I like the coat of arms in particular I wonder If Vaughan older and the younger had anything to do with Davy gam who supposedly helped Henry the 5th out in the melee and got knighted after the battle when he was dead? Great video
I have found the black and white of the Vaughan Family Coat of Arms, but I could not see any reference to the Lions. Can you confirm where the Lions fit in?
Roger's second wife was Margaret Touchet, whose father also died in battle in his 60s. I have often wondered if there is any actual evidence that Roger of Tretower was at Agincourt with his father, because most of his life events indicate the birth date of 1410. In my recent genealogy, I have seen mistakes where the namesake son was listed as the veteran of a war that his father actually fought in. Or, could his father have taken along a 10 or 12-year-old? (Which would make the rest of his timeline more plausible.) What would a boy that young do on a battlefront?
A year later if you check this I’ll be impressed. Young lads had use on battlefields all through history, both on land and at sea. During the HYW, young boys would be largely logistical in use, retrieving wounded, providing water to rear echelon troops and archers, bringing bags of arrows and such to the line to be shot by the archers.
@@zaidamaganda I think Lindybeige did a video on the idea of pre-modern PTSD. Essentially posing the question that did modern war lend itself especially to psychiatric disorders or did it happen in these medieval or ancient battles. I personally believe that it was largely considered a way of life. Living was tougher back then. More slaughter of animals and hunting took place, so killing was something most men (and women) were exposed to from a young age. I believe warfare was probably a rite of passage for young men. Not to say it wasn’t horrifically violent and in no way compared to the mundanity of livestock slaughter. Interesting topic.
Re: Vaughan and the Battle of Agincourt mystery. Roger Vaughan married Gwladys ferch Dafydd Gam, daughter of Dafydd Gam, with whom he later fought in the Battle of Agincourt in 1415. Could this be where the confusion lies?
Very interesting video. It is a shame about the pronunciation but then I'd be the same trying to pronounce German or other unfamiliar languages!!🙂 Of interest maybe- "ferch" meaning daughter (of) "Ap" (sometimes Ab) meaning son of Vaughan comes from fychan meaning small Carry on the good work!
Thanks mate, yeah, it definitely could haha, the only time I've spent in walea really i was either a child or at a heavy metal festival and there it was mostly just shouting haha
Thanks for this, and your whole series of videos. I didn't know much about the Vaughans, except that they're big-wigs in Wales ( where I hale from ), but Tretower is a special place for me, sitting in the Usk valley which is my favourite of all. I'm now planning on Herbert and Vaughan for my Yorkist force as well. Got to get the Welsh in somewhere !
Fantastic, there is alot of action in Wales in the WOTR
Ever since watching this my feed is getting all kinds of things about Tretower Castle... what a place .
Haha, it really is isn't it, im thinking of a tour of all these places once conditions allow 👍
Fascinating tale. Love the paintwork as well.
Great little history, didn’t know much about the Welsh Yorkists, very helpful
Cheers chaps, glad you enjoyed it 👍😃
Love the historical commentaries in these videos.
Thanks mate, glad you like it, this guy was a bit of a legend in my opinion haha
Interesting as always. A great potted history of your minitures ... thanks
Thanks mate 👍
That was excellent. Imagine being so fit he could wield a pollaxe in his 70s?
Definitely, i wouldn't have wanted to cross him 😕😅
Nice modeling, and an interesting look at someone who seems to have spanned a very long period of events, outliving so many of his contemporaries
Thabks very much, really glad you enjoyed it 👍
More tempting periods in history,but extremely well painted
Haha sorry dude, but they are brilliant fun 😃
Fantastic Video, very happy I found your channel !
Thanks very much, Welcome aboard 😁👍
thank you for this. ive been trying to piece together my family history and this has been very informative.
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it, quite a family line to be descended from 👍
There are several Vaughan families from the area. They are usually named after where they lived. Roger was Roger of Bredwardine Castle. QHis son lived at Tretower Court. There were several others but not related. So with your last name being Vaughan you would have to trace your family tree to see if you are indeed related to Roger of Bredwardine. Their crests were all different also, another way of seeing who they are. My mothers family crest , Roger’s, is 3 heads of a child with a snake around their necks. When I was a child I heard my grandfather tell the story of Agincourt and others.
Excellent stuff Martin..... but you won't get me to bend, my War of the Roses project will have to wait!
You will break, sooner rather than later i think 😉😅
This was such a rad video to stumble upon! Being not only the 17th Great-Grandson of Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower, but also a table top mini hobbyist as well! This was such a rad video and you really killed it on the models!! (My father is also a 7th son of a 7th son, kinda weird with your channel name being 7th Son as well, haha!--What are the odds?!)
That's amazing 😃 you've certainly got some interesting ancestors, im glad you enjoyed it mate 😄👍
Wow that’s amazing, I’m also Roger Vaughans 17th great grandson! I’m a descendant of John Vaughan who came to America in 1638. Well met cousin!
@@Cream0fThaCrop that's seriously so rad! I'm a descendant of John Vaughn as well! Greetings from WV!
I am also related to Roger and to Henry the Silurist.
I see the three heads of our family crest. I grew up listening to my Welsh grandfather tell me these tales. My mother told me that comes from his wife gad triplets who had the cord around their neck when born. If this is wrong someone please tell me. !
Sir Roger Vaughan is my 20th greatgrandfather certainly an interesting story
That's pretty cool 👍 you've got some very interesting ancestry there 😃
Brilliant mate a fascinating fella and a bit of a geezer of such an old fella. Figures look smashing aswell mate. 😁👍
I wouldn't have wanted to mess with him haha, cheers bud, glad you enjoyed it 👍
really lovely models and really enjoy you giving the history behind the people and models that you paint its very enjoyable and handy for someone like me that doesnt know much about the wars of the roses even though i am interested in it and been to a few of the battlefields
Thanks very much, im really pleased you like the videos and find them interesting 👍😃
Brilliant work! Loving the format of the specific Lord vignettes with a bit of their history 👍🏻
Cheers mate, I'll be carrying this on as the project expands 👍
Very interesting and a great looking command base. 👍
Thanks mate 👍
Cracking video, I really enjoyed that. What a great format. Must resist another time period...
Really appreciate the kind words, thabka 👍 I've got a few more already in mind to do
Very nice love the historical element of the video figures look great, all the best, Garry
Cheers Garry, pleased you enjoyed it mate
Tempting us to start painting knights again, how should we resist? " Just one more box". Great looking command stand, well done!👍😃
Very intressting history too. Thx.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it, i know that feeling haha, pretty much anytime i watch any other video i start feeling my wallet cry out 😅
Impressive cv for Sir Roger, still fighting in his sixties and having previous going back to Agincourt. Such an interesting character for your army. Looks great with the banner parked next to Sir William Herbert and his boys. Well done Martin, your mini history lessons in these videos really help drive my interest in this period. Many Thanks.
Im really pleased you enjoy them 👍 had to stick Herbert in there somewhere, ita one of my favourite bases as well so anytime i can fit in in haha
Another great video, perfect format as far as I am concerned!
Cheers mate 👍
Love your enthusiasm for the subject. I need to get back on the case with my WOTR, but currently distracted by WSS and Zulus...
Cheers, i just love getting into the background of all these characters 👍
That is my great great great….. etc etc grandfather- he the OG Vaughan : o
Very cool
That's awesome, he was really interesting to look into 👍
Very interesting history.
Thanks 👍🙂
I NEEDED THIS IN MY LIFE 👍 fantastic video chief, you are very good on camera and you are a fountain of knowledge
Haha glad you enjoyed it mate, appreciate the lind words 😃
Great to hear the history. Could give licence to including some 100 years war kit in WoR forces.
Definitely could see some mixed through the ranks, especially for the earlier phases of the war 👍
It looks really nice mate, I agree with you about flags. Used to annoy me playing WHFB when it was 1 flag per regt as flags had rules. Much better to have them as just decoration I think. (Rant over lol). Lovely to hear some history as well. I really liked the Perry guy being lazy at the back, reminded me I want to buy their "at attention" Naps.
Cheers bud 👍 glad you enjoyed it. Couldn't agree more about the flags unless the flag has a game effect or historically the unit only had one then fine but in the medieval period certainly - go for your life haha 😃
Very nice work buddy.
Thanks mate 👍
Fantastic as always, love the history can’t wait to see more, just a shame I am collecting/painting Lancastrians!
Don't feel bad, someone had to be them 👍😃 to be fair i will be doing some Lancastrians at some point and as im doing the Nevilles they basically ended up on that side 👍
Very nice unit I like the coat of arms in particular I wonder If Vaughan older and the younger had anything to do with Davy gam who supposedly helped Henry the 5th out in the melee and got knighted after the battle when he was dead? Great video
Thanks very much 😃 Davy Gam was this guys grandfather on his mothers side 👍
@@7thson726 oh cool yeah I thought so thanks for the confirmation 👍
Fascinating stuff again. Have you ever made a video on how you make your flags look so good? I for one would welcome it. :)
Thanks very much 👍 i haven't actually done one on my flags, its one of the most requested ideas i get though. Next batch I'll do one 😁
I have found the black and white of the Vaughan Family Coat of Arms, but I could not see any reference to the Lions. Can you confirm where the Lions fit in?
I'll double check and get back when I'm back near my books 👍
Another good lesson and painting. Do we get a test when you finish?
Haha, maybe i should do a livestream pib quiz on it all 😅
Most excellent video. Where did you get the flags?
Thanks very much, all my flags are from Freezywater flags
Roger's second wife was Margaret Touchet, whose father also died in battle in his 60s. I have often wondered if there is any actual evidence that Roger of Tretower was at Agincourt with his father, because most of his life events indicate the birth date of 1410. In my recent genealogy, I have seen mistakes where the namesake son was listed as the veteran of a war that his father actually fought in. Or, could his father have taken along a 10 or 12-year-old? (Which would make the rest of his timeline more plausible.) What would a boy that young do on a battlefront?
A year later if you check this I’ll be impressed. Young lads had use on battlefields all through history, both on land and at sea. During the HYW, young boys would be largely logistical in use, retrieving wounded, providing water to rear echelon troops and archers, bringing bags of arrows and such to the line to be shot by the archers.
@@oliverseager8154 Thank you for answering! Very interesting, and yet how traumatic for a child.
@@zaidamaganda I think Lindybeige did a video on the idea of pre-modern PTSD. Essentially posing the question that did modern war lend itself especially to psychiatric disorders or did it happen in these medieval or ancient battles. I personally believe that it was largely considered a way of life. Living was tougher back then. More slaughter of animals and hunting took place, so killing was something most men (and women) were exposed to from a young age. I believe warfare was probably a rite of passage for young men. Not to say it wasn’t horrifically violent and in no way compared to the mundanity of livestock slaughter. Interesting topic.
Re: Vaughan and the Battle of Agincourt mystery.
Roger Vaughan married Gwladys ferch Dafydd Gam, daughter of Dafydd Gam, with whom he later fought in the Battle of Agincourt in 1415.
Could this be where the confusion lies?
Hmmm 🤔 could be, certainly will be worth considering
Vaughans rule! 🤟
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Very interesting video. It is a shame about the pronunciation but then I'd be the same trying to pronounce German or other unfamiliar languages!!🙂
Of interest maybe- "ferch" meaning daughter (of)
"Ap" (sometimes Ab) meaning son of
Vaughan comes from fychan meaning small
Carry on the good work!
Cheers, yeah im sorry about that, thanks for the pointers on the ab and ap, im glad you enjoyed the vid 👍😃
If you were interested I'd be happy to help with any Welsh pronunciation.🙂
Thanks, i appreciate that, i will undoubtedly return to the Welsh as ive just found 2 more i want to do haha
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amazing work as usual mate! you welsh pronunciation could do with some work haha
Thanks mate, yeah, it definitely could haha, the only time I've spent in walea really i was either a child or at a heavy metal festival and there it was mostly just shouting haha
@@7thson726 that could be any wednesday afternoon in the Rhondda hah, interesting he was executed at chepstow castle tho!