10 Ranked MISTAKES Every GOLD Makes in VALORANT

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @Dragonmar
    @Dragonmar  4 года назад +51

    Golds! It’s time we look in the mirror and say “What the heck am I doing wrong?” I’ve got 10 mistakes and 10 easy fixes for you! If you like these videos please do leave a like, comment what I should make next and subscribe for more!

    • @atharvsinghvats2142
      @atharvsinghvats2142 4 года назад

      I'm still in silver 2 from last 2 seasons helpppp

    • @flynnandres9533
      @flynnandres9533 3 года назад

      Pro trick: you can watch series at Flixzone. Been using it for watching lots of of movies recently.

    • @alejandroelijah1069
      @alejandroelijah1069 3 года назад

      @Flynn Andres yea, I have been using Flixzone} for months myself :)

  • @kanashibari9257
    @kanashibari9257 4 года назад +163

    I was surprised not to see "Not communicating to your team enough". I've seen so many people use their mics in Agent Selection and then not use them for the entire game or barley use them.

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +25

      Very important but is SO universal I try not to cover things like it in rank specific guides and mistake videos. This unfortunately doesn't stop or stay in Gold either, which is a whole other issue :/

    • @kanashibari9257
      @kanashibari9257 4 года назад

      Dragonmar wow I’m surprised to hear it doesn’t really stop in Gold you’d think it’d get a lot better and happen a lot less often.

    • @sebaschan-uwu
      @sebaschan-uwu 3 года назад

      @@safdshaidfasdklmasldcaslih Honestly its rng whether or not your teammates use comms. In iron, they have good comms

    • @creativevisuals9289
      @creativevisuals9289 3 года назад

      @@kanashibari9257 it's funny because iron has the best comes truly(went from iron to gold over 3 months)

    • @TechSupportDave
      @TechSupportDave 2 года назад

      @@creativevisuals9289 yep. back when i was in Bronze people would do comms FAR more than in Gold, where i'm at currently.
      in fact, people almost never talk. it's not even rng it's just a fact of life that Gold players don't know how to do comms but Bronze players do.

  • @aw_creamsoda
    @aw_creamsoda 4 года назад +192

    so will i be gold if i start making these mistakes

  • @loneado4225
    @loneado4225 3 года назад +16

    Dragonmar: do not flash your teamates
    Dragonmar:himself flashing his teamate 3:07

    • @benten1443
      @benten1443 2 года назад

      Lol even senpai is human.

  • @aaron.nguyen
    @aaron.nguyen 4 года назад +29

    3:09 “Call out your flashes” *flashes teammate*

    • @spawqs
      @spawqs 3 года назад

      "im flashing you"

    • @phoebecp
      @phoebecp 3 года назад

      its ok, he called it

  • @hc6060
    @hc6060 4 года назад +70

    I’m a gold player thanks to you and soon to be Plat because of this video!

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +9

      Let’s go Electrix!

    • @hc6060
      @hc6060 4 года назад +4

      Dragonmar was that person who took out their utility 5-6 times in the VoD and died every time me? I think it was 😆

    • @ezrawagner5855
      @ezrawagner5855 4 года назад

      Same bro

    • @potatoes2201
      @potatoes2201 4 года назад

      r u plat yet

    • @hc6060
      @hc6060 4 года назад +5

      @@potatoes2201 yes I got plat about a week or two ago and am doing decent

  • @icelord8370
    @icelord8370 4 года назад +8

    7:39 This one happen to me all the time. Most of my teammate just doesn't want to entry and the smoke just have no value

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад

      Yeah this is a big problem where people know they SHOULD use utility but not WHEN to! Even a well placed smoke can be wasted if nobody moves with it

    • @icelord8370
      @icelord8370 4 года назад

      @@Dragonmar Yep, absolutely agree with that

  • @kengpiseth8837
    @kengpiseth8837 3 года назад +3

    Thanks man! I climbed up with these tips of yours, I went from gold 3 to plat in just 5 days after watching this.

  • @kevinhotzewan1935
    @kevinhotzewan1935 3 года назад +1

    1. Overpeeking
    2. Not calling utility
    3. Too passive post plant
    4. Rushing utility
    5. Using utility too early
    6. Forcing too often
    7. Giving up eco rounds
    8. Overcommitting/not rotating
    9. Aggression but no trades
    10. Using utility in wide open areas

  • @display6578
    @display6578 3 года назад +5

    Thanks for the video, it really helps when someone highlights the mistakes your making so that you can actively think and improve! 🙏🙏

  • @xRialta
    @xRialta 4 года назад +7

    I don’t know why 13:16 was just so funny to me

  • @tyleryoung2744
    @tyleryoung2744 4 года назад +3

    Thanks for the help man! I was plat 2 a few days ago but now it's back to the gold grind for me. If anyone is looking for NA east gold - plat ranked friends hit me up.

  • @Justin-vu8pq
    @Justin-vu8pq 4 года назад +19

    when u demote to gold and you get this yt notification

  • @MrMcwesbrook
    @MrMcwesbrook 3 года назад

    I would add, when you're dead your job isn't over. Help your alive teammates by calling out if it is 1v2 or 2v2 etc, call out things you notice on the mini map, or let your teammate know if they are going into a fight with 3 bullets and should maybe reload. Don't continuously talk and distract them, but say the info once and let them play and listen for sound cues. Also call when you are blind, reloading, or dead and call when you kill someone.

  • @hc6060
    @hc6060 4 года назад +6

    I am a gold player and I think every one of those tips applies to me 😔. I’ll work on that....

  • @johnk3841
    @johnk3841 2 года назад +1

    I'm guilty of all this.

  • @kimtorvs9547
    @kimtorvs9547 3 года назад +1

    Im just watching ur vids these past weeks... im from bronze 3 and im in Gold 2 right now in about 1week.. its really effective. Its really satisfying watching guides for Gold now. Right now im even carrying teams in Gold. Thx man

  • @Jack.ferra805
    @Jack.ferra805 4 года назад +6

    THANKS SO MUCH been stuck at gold 3 for 2 months and I really want to hit plat!

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +2

      I have faith in you! Just work on fixing your mistakes, be honest with yourself, and play to improve!

    • @adelkayani2595
      @adelkayani2595 4 года назад +5

      And try not to get tilted. If you do stop playing. Go to the gym. Eat something. Watch a show. Your mentality goes a long way

  • @FallingFeeling212
    @FallingFeeling212 3 года назад +1

    I do all of these things they all come to me naturally just gotta work on my over agression and comms

  • @jeremiahdenieva16
    @jeremiahdenieva16 4 года назад +3

    Thanks for this video. I'm currently still in Silver, but I'll come back to this video often even before hitting gold. Appreciate the work you do Dragonmar 👏

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +1

      Still worth watching as you probably make some of these, I know I do!

    • @downnnnnn
      @downnnnnn 3 года назад

      Probably won’t respond but if you still play what rank are you now?

  • @AmithVenugopal7
    @AmithVenugopal7 4 года назад +3

    Every time I start watching a video, my match gets found 😭

  • @moikel888
    @moikel888 3 года назад +1

    I am immortal, and surprisingly peeps here still do summa these mistakes, even i for one sometimes, very interesting, vid will help a lot even for the higher tiers

  • @evlo4190
    @evlo4190 4 года назад +18

    I am in immortal and these are still really interesting, great vid

  • @Siggyy88
    @Siggyy88 4 года назад +1

    not to say that wide swings are good but by watching higher elos and expecting jiggle peaks and tight angles. the wide swings are what catch me off guard the most if that makes any sense

  • @ZackdbFilms
    @ZackdbFilms 2 года назад +1

    Yo how do you see peoples ranks on the score board

  • @AmarJohal-og3ob
    @AmarJohal-og3ob 3 года назад

    its hard to communicate in gold because people either dont listen at all or everyones got their mics down their throats shouting orders while spectating and you literally cant hear anything

  • @jahisdumb8955
    @jahisdumb8955 2 года назад +1

    the last one is my problem i run around wit my dumbass ipad and no one covers me

  • @advice7578
    @advice7578 3 года назад +1

    Agree so much with people over committing.

  • @ahhhca
    @ahhhca 4 года назад +4

    This is exactly what I needed thanks Dragonmar! Can't wait for your stream today at 6pm EST on twitch 😎

  • @homespuns4603
    @homespuns4603 4 года назад +4

    I just got into gold so this really helped, Thank YOU!

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад

      Proud of you, see you in Immortal soon!

    • @homespuns4603
      @homespuns4603 4 года назад

      @@Dragonmar I hope :)

  • @vedaantjayaswal8148
    @vedaantjayaswal8148 4 года назад +2

    Saw your post on Reddit and then came here :) keep up the good work

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +1

      Thank you so much!

  • @Vraj28
    @Vraj28 4 года назад +4

    Can you do a guide on what to do if you are stuck on stilver 3, and how to rank up to gold!

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +3

      Try to focus on your fundamentals as a lot of the mistakes in silver still happen just as often I’m Gold!

    • @lucasarake1
      @lucasarake1 4 года назад

      you should also train aim and "heat up" in the range before the games. There's a lot of game sense, team play, etc. But aim still a big thing on silver and gold

    • @MMyktv
      @MMyktv 4 года назад

      tbh just train your aim if you get good at aiming and crosshair placements it can get you to high golds w good utility use

  • @vastroy6307
    @vastroy6307 4 года назад +1

    Wide swinging is actually good in some instances

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад

      Some is the key distinction

  • @zeraonyt
    @zeraonyt 3 года назад

    I watched this as a silver 1 and now I’m gold 3 with 2 greatly increases. Ty for this video

  • @yoriichi696
    @yoriichi696 3 года назад

    8:28 phoenix caused this man to die by not shooting the leer

  • @taylorgeyer1739
    @taylorgeyer1739 4 года назад

    Because of your teachings I finally hit plat and have won a few game 🙏 thank you sir

  • @notorious_somjai5803
    @notorious_somjai5803 4 года назад

    Your silver video got me to gold now lets get to plat thanks bro

  • @insidiosity
    @insidiosity 3 года назад

    You missed 'Forcing too Early' in the timestamp thing

  • @pain6491
    @pain6491 3 года назад

    Are there any spots where jiggle peeking is bad? Because i try to jiggle peek but half the time I get wall banged

  • @hilmyabid1413
    @hilmyabid1413 3 года назад

    i've already done all these 10 tips and i'm still losing. now i know why i'm losing so much
    1. smurf
    2. people boosting on low rank

  • @atseek1105
    @atseek1105 4 года назад +16

    Any tips? I cant get to Plat 2.... Im Gold3-Plat1.
    Everytime i hit Plat1 and get "Rating greatly increased" and then i will get lose streak and derank to gold

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +7

      Focus A LOT on your positioning. Where you are on attack, post plant, in relation to your team. I find one of the biggest problems with players getting into Plat is that they struggle to position properly with the team!

    • @tomoko8529
      @tomoko8529 4 года назад

      exactly my problem

    • @FireJach
      @FireJach 4 года назад

      i am s3/g1. In July I was almost plat 1. Weird :/

    • @atseek1105
      @atseek1105 4 года назад

      @@Dragonmar Thanks! Again i got Plat.. 1 easy 13-2 win. Then 2 loses and demotet back to Gold

    • @lepsi4218
      @lepsi4218 4 года назад

      same

  • @airduster1
    @airduster1 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for this vid! I'm in silver, but I could easily get to gold. I just had a streak of bad teammates, and then I started tilting, and got on a big losing streak from silver 3 to bronze 2. Problem #10 happens to me the most, and I'll work to fix that. Is there any way to increase reaction time? I need to work on my bloom control, crosshair placement, and reaction time, and I dont think you've made anything to help with that. Is there any tips you have to increase it?

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад

      Try out Aim Lab it’s free and actually tends to help all the things you listed!

    • @airduster1
      @airduster1 4 года назад

      Ok thank you! I downloaded it and tried it out, and really enjoyed it, but then I got 2 days of extremely bad fps. I kept disconnecting and lagging super badly, so I uninstalled steam. It wasn't even steam fault though, becauseI had to install microsoft teams for school, and because it was open, I was getting the low fps. l. I've just been too lazy to reinstall it. My pc right now isn't the best, and I'm saving up for a better one. I can't submit a VoD review right now, but when I get a new pc, I will make sure that it's one of the first thing I do!

    • @airduster1
      @airduster1 4 года назад

      I've recently gotten into osu! and it is pretty fun. Do you think that it could help too? Or is Aim Lab just better?

    • @kyz9512
      @kyz9512 4 года назад

      @@airduster1 Osu may help with a small amount click timing and warming up but it is not nearly as good as an aim trainer like kovaaks or aim lab.

    • @kyz9512
      @kyz9512 4 года назад

      @@airduster1 I would recommend practicing in death match for your crosshair placement, you can do this by seeing if you need to place your crosshair higher or lower everytime you die. For recoil control(or as you say bloom control) I would recommend going into the range to the target or the bots and work on it that way.

  • @karthik.n10
    @karthik.n10 4 года назад

    Wide swinging is useful I guess if an Op is watching the angle

  • @pxndashyper5063
    @pxndashyper5063 2 года назад

    How do you have their rank next to their names in game?

  • @saltytea7367
    @saltytea7367 4 года назад +4

    "Hey youtube how you guys doing my name's Dragonmar you know me as kyle and welcome, to a new video!"

  • @Ammo_420
    @Ammo_420 3 года назад

    Bro I’m ngl you are sooooo underrated

  • @mrjib146
    @mrjib146 4 года назад

    The amount of times I’ve been killed while using a Reyna leer while pushing. hardstuck plat one- used to be plat 2 but deranked to gold 3 and trying to get back up. Any advice?

  • @piewy2196
    @piewy2196 4 года назад +1

    Any tips on how i can get back to diamond? Went from d1 to p1 and im stucked in p2 rn

    • @zqjason2206
      @zqjason2206 4 года назад

      start queuing with teammates and friends you’re comfortable with playing with

  • @clooless707
    @clooless707 3 года назад

    what about a player like skye or sova when i use to play them i would use mt util as quick as possible since it recharge

  • @gokyuzu1484
    @gokyuzu1484 3 года назад

    instead my team's entry trys to lurk and dies every round

  • @os-tin
    @os-tin 4 года назад +4

    any firsters?

  • @k.m.shamsulhuq2
    @k.m.shamsulhuq2 3 года назад

    But thing is wide swinging is heavily favored by riots servers. And i have lowest 60 ping so wide swinging gives me the advantage over my opponents as i see their heads just for a second longer.

  • @wraithval4680
    @wraithval4680 4 года назад +1

    dragonmar do you have a vid for getting out of plat3?

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +2

      Check out my Plat to Diamond video! That has some great advice

    • @wraithval4680
      @wraithval4680 4 года назад

      thanks!

  • @EyeonFGCPlus
    @EyeonFGCPlus 4 года назад

    It's funny that alot of these thing are the same problems I see in Iron Rank. Like I placed into Iron Rank when I first started and I have improved alot more but it seems like Iron all the way to Gold are all the same lol.

    • @quota9248
      @quota9248 4 года назад

      It’s cuz a lot of irons are actually not bad they are smurfs or smt else

  • @drinkwater9707
    @drinkwater9707 2 года назад

    i swear to god the top frag on my game are either silver 1 or silver 2 while i finally escaped silver by... getting carried..

  • @TheOhzoneLayer
    @TheOhzoneLayer 4 года назад

    If you're checking an angle isn't it bad to jiggle peek if there is potentially an op though?

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +1

      Yeah so pay attention to the enemy Econ!

    • @TheOhzoneLayer
      @TheOhzoneLayer 4 года назад

      @@Dragonmar So only jiggle peek of you know there isn't an op?

  • @awwsheeeiiitt
    @awwsheeeiiitt 4 года назад

    So when is wide peeking supposed to be used? Because isnt that if you're closer to a wall, the enemy will see you before you see them? (Assuming they are farther from the angle than you)

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +1

      Enemies holding super close, OPers, and to lead a peek with a teammate are 3 good examples

    • @awwsheeeiiitt
      @awwsheeeiiitt 4 года назад

      @@Dragonmar awesome. Definitely one of the much more helpful youtubers for people who actually want to improve. Thank you!

  • @Wither_spoons
    @Wither_spoons 4 года назад +1

    I ended up double binding my utility and ping caution and watching this and I noticed people started playing around it better

  • @asdasddsadsa6987
    @asdasddsadsa6987 3 года назад

    silver 3 to gold 3 thanks man

  • @JamesWilliams-tn7jy
    @JamesWilliams-tn7jy 4 года назад

    Ive been stuck in around gold since beta lol. Have yet to hit plat

  • @mokoval669
    @mokoval669 4 года назад

    Let's say some1 hits u like 90 100 and they full push u what do u do if I play omen or some1 without a molotov

  • @joansaleh7909
    @joansaleh7909 3 года назад

    NGL! I am Gold 3 my aim is kinda bad but game sens + Radiant tier coms and movement will carry me to Diamonnd with EEZZ!

  • @akapustin
    @akapustin 4 года назад

    One thing I see the most is too many players lurking. Play with ur team!

  • @njts6862
    @njts6862 3 года назад

    I lost my knowledge on how to plat im coming back and now i can play better ty

  • @mzubair21
    @mzubair21 3 года назад

    I promoted to bronze thanks to your video

  • @balraj6163
    @balraj6163 4 года назад +2

    Thanks for the amazing work you do dragon 👍

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад

      Hey helps me get through my work day reading these comments!

  • @rylix5112
    @rylix5112 3 года назад

    If your a iron like me and can't get out of iron fix this mistakes I was iron 3 and I got promoted to bronze 2 I skipped bronze 1

  • @thestalker3190
    @thestalker3190 4 года назад

    The reason why these videos unfortunately never help me is that there are still 4 other players on my team not understanding these things at all neither listening to me.

    • @weevez6669
      @weevez6669 4 года назад +5

      mistake #11 Blame Everything on teammates

    • @thestalker3190
      @thestalker3190 4 года назад

      @@weevez6669 ok that reply is just cringe buddy! As if I said everything is my teammates fault...

  • @parthkachhara9824
    @parthkachhara9824 4 года назад

    Have you changed your recording mic dragon?

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +1

      I record through RTX voice now if my background is noisy, same mic though!

  • @a_gorillashaving
    @a_gorillashaving 4 года назад

    What do I do if every time I get to silver 3 I lose 5 or 6 games and it just keeps happening

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +2

      Just keep playing to improve, you’ll grind through it eventually if you keep getting better

  • @killswitch9571
    @killswitch9571 4 года назад

    Do fps plays a major role in getting your rank? Cause i play in 60fps ..

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад

      60fps is okay but higher is better

  • @phido7480
    @phido7480 4 года назад

    Was hardstuck silver last act and now I’m cruising towards plat now. Gold 3 rn. Been watching the videos!

  • @coolystic5063
    @coolystic5063 4 года назад

    Whats VOD stand for?

    • @Jack-cv7pl
      @Jack-cv7pl 4 года назад

      The actual definition is video on demand, but in most contexts it means a streamable video of a live stream. In this situation tho, he's talking about a video of somebody's game that they sent to dragon mar to review.

  • @kaeleighkat7347
    @kaeleighkat7347 3 года назад

    May I also add..
    Stop flooding coms with “Get the OP! Get my OP! Pick up my OP”... Let me play the round, I don’t care about your OP.. If we win the round you’ll have more money, if we win the round I can run and grab it..
    Stop back seat gaming your Sage Players.. Saying “Rez me, come Rez me” 13 times and forcing Sage Players to completely stop what their doing and potentially getting your Sage killed it so annoying... Ask once, if Sage can’t, then she can’t.. Stop killing my Sage’s because you won’t shut up

  • @brazilibasha
    @brazilibasha 4 года назад

    best mistakes fixer ?

  • @julitolay
    @julitolay 3 года назад

    guys the first tip is wrong, just do ferrari peek.

  • @akshatpratik1167
    @akshatpratik1167 4 года назад +1

    I recently ranked up to silver and my teammates just simply refuse to talk. wut am i supposed to do. i am in a huge loss streak. the only times they talk is when u make a little mistake or dont clutch or dont buy a requested weapon ad they are just straight up toxic and racist. the thing is that this toxicity and loosing because of lack of comms tilts me hard and i myself am unable to perform at my best. My iron matches (when i was an iron) were much better and enjoyable than this crap.

  • @snippy5986
    @snippy5986 3 года назад

    Ok but not every teammate is looking at different angles than everyone else solo queue ruff I drop 20 at least every game and I just hit gold 2. The real way to improve and rank up is stack with component people and grind out aimlabs

  • @saltytea7367
    @saltytea7367 4 года назад +1

    3:08 literally flashes cypher.(or blinds)

    • @colbsir
      @colbsir 4 года назад +1

      Was blinding for his teammates coming up long not for Cypher or himself.

    • @saltytea7367
      @saltytea7367 4 года назад +1

      I understood that but it's still funny.

    • @saltytea7367
      @saltytea7367 4 года назад +1

      He does it at 12:27 too.

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +4

      I am, unironically, a menace to my team with flashes in my hand. That’s why I stick to smokes!

  • @beigebets
    @beigebets 3 года назад +1

    it would be so insane to see u get everything right on guess the rank lmao

  • @reecec8789
    @reecec8789 4 года назад

    Dragonmar helped me get Iron 3 to Gold, can't wait to use these to climb further

  • @senior5561
    @senior5561 3 года назад

    I’m g3 and I get shamed for being gold :(

  • @xovotu3319
    @xovotu3319 4 года назад

    went from bronze 3 to gold 1

  • @avsharma24
    @avsharma24 4 года назад

    Me at Bronze : ight imma head out

    • @Dragonmar
      @Dragonmar  4 года назад +3

      Wait no, come back!

    • @Pihyu
      @Pihyu 4 года назад

      But not too close! Let’s all be safe.

  • @kobar5590
    @kobar5590 4 года назад

    nice video

  • @iamseanhahaha
    @iamseanhahaha 3 года назад

    Earned a sub from me--I feel like everyone who cares about ranked games need to watch these type of vids

  • @shaq361
    @shaq361 3 года назад

    how can is see other players rank like you

  • @huskytzu7709
    @huskytzu7709 3 года назад

    Why am I watching this? I’m bronze

  • @toner01
    @toner01 4 года назад +1

    lmao youre welcome for the god tier cypher gameplay

  • @GolfIsFun69
    @GolfIsFun69 3 года назад

    Just got gold because I’m cracked

  • @xJoyy
    @xJoyy 4 года назад +1

    dont throw if its eco round i remember winning multiple rounds against vandals while using a ghost just by aiming at the head

  • @masorust9123
    @masorust9123 3 года назад

    That’s how I feel about my smokes because I main omen and I want to wait a few seconds for us to push to use em but my silver teammates ALWAYS tell me to smoke right away it’s so annoying bro

  • @mohamadmarrdini5165
    @mohamadmarrdini5165 4 года назад

    Hey there do you mind and it’s if not but VOD reviewing me I’m a gold 3 and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong and I really need help if you can it would be much appreciated anyways message me if your down

  • @Ralatch
    @Ralatch 3 года назад

    insulutart

  • @JustArry
    @JustArry 3 года назад

    HOW DID YOU MISS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE.... CROUCHING. NEVER CROUCH IN GUN FIGHTS. ONCE YOU DO THIS YOU WILL IMPROVE A WHOLE RANK. NOT EVEN JOKING

  • @eeuunnlol
    @eeuunnlol 4 года назад +1

    not first but early uwu

    • @eeuunnlol
      @eeuunnlol 4 года назад

      also im not gold but i will still watch bc #knowledge

  • @petervanvliet9431
    @petervanvliet9431 4 года назад +1

    *42 seconds ago*

  • @eagle7015
    @eagle7015 3 года назад

    silvers do it too,,,fyi