I actually like the sounds coming out from the back hub so you know if someone is far or close behind you just to check if any left behind on a group ride
thats true but its also nice to be able to hear behind you too tho... lets say someone whants to pass you on a trail and youre wearing a full face helmet and runing super loud hubs aswell as him, it would be so hard to hear until maybe a hard breaking turn or something but with this silent hub now you can hear them asking for a chance to pass. also i feel if someone is behind and is sreaming whith silent hubs you can hear them calling or something. but for that i would just arragne myself to get some cheap walki talkies with my riding friends if were doing a very long ride and that fixes the trouble you al set up to a high chanel and thats it
The new XTR looks amazing but it's out of most people's price range, hope Shimano brings a 12 speed XT and SLX soon enough with the option for a cassette with an 11t smaller cog to fit older freehub bodies.
Shimano takes a conservative approach: look how long they waited to bring out XTR12. They won't release a groupset until it's exceptionally polished and refined. In the case of SLX in particular, it will take a while to amortize the R&D costs of XTR. It took years for 12 speed to trickle down to less expensive groupsets for SRAM, but the price you pay for these first to market systems is that they lack the refinement of shimano systems.
Nope. X01 and XX1 Eagle came out in 2016, GX Eagle came out in 2017. And now one year later NX Eagle. With Shimano you have to wait for their cassette body standard to get cheaper too, and if i've read correctly right now it's not an open standard like XD is... Nowadays there are tons of wheelsets available with the XD driver, and of course with NX Eagle you can get a 12spd 11-50 for the old Shimano standard. I bet by the time Shimano 12spd gets down to NX level the industry is gonna be chasing the new next best thing. Probably triples or something like that...
ThunderStruckCoach I came down here to comment on the same thing, you beat me to it. I’d like him to tell me how 12 cog 10-50 has less gaps than an 11 cog 11-46. This is why we dislike cycling journalists “reviews”
That’s what you have to live with if you want a cassette that big. The only weird jump is 37 to 46 at the end. Everything else is similar to SRAM. SRAM gets it wrong with a massive gap between 10 and 12. Then in the middle they have a gap between 18 and 21, where Shimano has a comfortable 19 to 21. Those two gaps on SRAM eagle are what make the reviewer’s comments wrong. If you want a 500 or 511% range of 12 speed, you have no choice but gaps somewhere. 2x10 has 13 independent gear ratios and 2x11 14, making it a better choice. I for one will not be going 12 speed until they make it in a 42 cassette. I have no need to go slower than that or go faster with the use of a bigger chainring allowed by the 50t sprocket. I don’t use my 11t cog very often as it is.
@@jonathanzappala 2x is more complicated, harder to set up, more prone to damage, heavier, and flawed. its also just plain harder to use without thinking about it and i want to be thinking about nothing but the trail i'm riding.
bananas stuff and that’s fine if that’s what you want. But we are mocking the fact that with a 1x12 you are going to have big gaps until there is a smaller cassette on the market.
Had to hop on my older #2 Giant XTR when much newer Pivot XO1 went into the shop, cable exploded in frame and wouldn't shift. Shifting the XTR was so smooth and quiet, light years ahead of the squirrel noises I get with the newly cabled XO1. Shifts great just can't escape noise no matter what I do, it's just noisy.
I would like to try out the cassette but Im not spending another $100 on another damn freehub. Freehubs are way too expensive to just switch drivetrains whenever you want.
Can you confirm that the horrible cracking noises available in the M9000 group-set are finally gone ? Many users suffers horribly from this problem (Including me). Shimano customer service is good i got my cassette and other parts replaced with no cost, but they never admit the problem, and even with the replacements the cracking stay the same.
The new XTR group looks very nice, but I don't see much innovation here beyond what you can already get from SRAM with Eagle (for less $$$). Plus, I like my noisy hub, it helps me to warn hikers sharing the trail with me that I am headed their way :-)
Wtf this is incredibly expensive... I couldn’t ever justify this when I can get a gx eagle for so much less with guides which are my favourite brakes I’ve ever ridden
schlooonginator optimized for going down the cassette not up (as with SRAM), which is daft! You’re rarely on the power going fast down a hill but going up a hill you may even need to stand and need optimization’s going up the cassette range
@@neilk22 Shimano created the optimization of going up decades back. Just look at their 7speed cassettes, first to have the gates. The plus refers to having this both up and down. I trust what all reviewers have said when they claim its the best shifting off-road group.
It's just a pet peeve of mine when peoples dump on high end bike stuff because it's expensive. Every industry has silly-expensive high end products yet no-one bashes Bugatti/Ferrari/etc. for simply existing.
Time to stockpile 3 x 11 XT before 3 ring systems are completely gone :-(. Does anyone use their MTB for long spins that include extreme climbs, extended road sections and full on technical off road descents or has the sport turned completely into riding trail centres on maintenance hungry engineless motorbikes? I like the 530% range my 3x10 XT groupset offers, as well as the much closer gear spacing I get, all without a dinner plate on the rear wheel compromising ground clearance and grindy chain angles in high and low gears. Hopefully the silent clutch rear hub is better than Shimano's previous attempts at this - there's nothing worse than a spongy drivetrain and that's very hard to eliminate without making the parts very rigid (And heavy) if they're using a spragg clutch style system. Certainly I'll need considerable convincing based on the horrific sponginess of the roller clutches in the Alfine 11 hub and Shimano's earlier silent clutch MTB hubs where you lose a good chunk of each pedal stroke under power due to the hub unwinding after the crank hits bottom dead centre. It's not like Shimano to make junk, but lately they're copying a lot of features that turned me completely away from SRAM in the first place - uneven gear spacings, single front chainrings, limited gear range etc. For the first time since the 90s when I started biking I'm looking at what's out there and I literally can't find anything that doesn't look like a step backwards from the setup I already have on my steel hardtail for covering a very wide range of terrain with minimum maintenance and lively handling (Getting some payback for knowing how to ride a bike rather than having the bike doing all the work for you).
I'm with you, I ride on the road to get to my favourite local trails and so I'm sticking with my 3 x 9 XT chainset as long as possible (I'm often in 44 x 11). One x chainsets just don't have the gear range (except for trail centre riders) and the rear cassettes weigh a ton!
I think the bike industry wants bikes to be more specialized and narrow in use, thereby creating a necessity to have more bikes. 1x is just stupid. As are pressfit bottom brackets. Sure, you lose weight by tossing your shifter and derailleur, but then the low end bikes get super heavy cassettes that transfer all that weight to the rear of the bike, then it feels like garbage. Also, when you ride in really bad mud and your rear cassette is totally caked in mud or your rear der. stops shifting, a front der. usually still shifts. With a 1x, you are out of luck.
On a full suspension mountain bike, a front derailer is not your friend. Either the suspension geometry makes it a total pig to shift, or there's no physical space to mount the front derailer. Front derailers are also my least favourite adjustment on any bike.
+RUclips User the only difference between srams 12s cassettes are the weight. you can't find a non 10-50t cassette or a front derailleur on any configuration of eagle.
Skooteh buy you can use a 12 speed chain on standard chainrings and therefore you can use a 2x. It isnt an official sram option, but you can do it if you want to. Why would you though?
Yes, you can run a 12spd chain with standard chainrings, but you can't run a 2x with a SRAM 1x specific rear derailleur. First, big capacity issues. Second, it uses an offset pulley so the B-gap changes as the cage rotates forward. So a front shift would scew your b-gap up big time.
this is not real for users .... testing brand new groupset is easy .... maybe a longer test like using for 1k km ... at least to change the chain to check how is the quality after longer test
I have never, and I mean ever, been able to keep their 2 piece Ice Tech rotors true for more than 3 rides, whereas my SRAM centerline rotor has never gone out of true in over 4k miles of hard use.... I'm 200lbs, so maybe that has something to do with it, but I'm definitely not alone in this and a quick search will show that.
ThunderStruckCoach im a bit lighter at 68kg/150lbs, but i had my rotors from shimano for about 5k km and they never went out of true. Commuting, trail riding, XC, longer distance road riding, you name it. And commuting here is quite stressful on brakes since so many idiots don't look when crossing a street. Hard braking almost every single commute -.-
The XTR was the king for long and I still feel it is premium. But every part can be found better on different manufacturers for less. And the looks of XTR is kinda.. meh.. it is so understated for something that should be so special. It should stand out and have far more temptation to buy. Ok it is good stuff, not the best, not the cheapest and kind of boring to look at. My 2 cents.
@MJD LOL nahh.. not like that.. more like go for some anodized and carbon look or something. Develop a highly recognized look that stands out. Designwise all they ever do is pour that grey xtr sauce on it and be done. It is time to step it up a lil.
I am actually very keen to see what XT M8100 would look like. It is usually that XT is more well-thought and refined than XTR (with the latter paying a role of a proving ground).
Shimano should stick to fishing rods - they are two years behind the wave, and taking even longer in their product cycle to copy the others - With Rotor announcing a 13 speed hydraulic shifted mech with a range of cassettes to suit both road and Mtb applications this video makes me feel sad for shimano
to be frank, I can't see myself buying brakes for 600- that's like a quarq power meter spider!! Also, get yourselves a gimball setup for fuck's sake. I've got a hedache from watching that awfull footage
On day we will have 1x27 to get the 3x9 gearing 😂 copy-past ;P did somebody from you BIG RUclipsrs will tell that actually all components will wear much faster ( or you all forbidden to say that by sponsors?))))) cos chain braking anglescross gearing)( and pressure on 1by on such a big cassette .. they dont want you to have anymore long lasting parts ,business will go down ;) NOWADAYS BUSINESS , SIMPLE !"
Actually, 3x9 does not necessarily equates to 27 unique gear ratios. Furthermore, not all of these possible 27 gear combinations make sense to be used. Also, on durability: not that I am trying to say that you are wrong, but to evaluate it correctly comparison tests need to be performed and together with statistics data analysis
. Look at 1:24 in this video. Take a close look at the three biggest cogs. Roughly cast, irregular lumps and spots all over these cogs and a cheap paint job. And cheap casting that embarasses Shimano's standards. Don't feed me Bull > I know when I see poor quality engineeering and or craftsmanship. I'm not impressed
I actually like the sounds coming out from the back hub so you know if someone is far or close behind you just to check if any left behind on a group ride
thats true but its also nice to be able to hear behind you too tho... lets say someone whants to pass you on a trail and youre wearing a full face helmet and runing super loud hubs aswell as him, it would be so hard to hear until maybe a hard breaking turn or something but with this silent hub now you can hear them asking for a chance to pass.
also i feel if someone is behind and is sreaming whith silent hubs you can hear them calling or something. but for that i would just arragne myself to get some cheap walki talkies with my riding friends if were doing a very long ride and that fixes the trouble you al set up to a high chanel and thats it
The new XTR looks amazing but it's out of most people's price range, hope Shimano brings a 12 speed XT and SLX soon enough with the option for a cassette with an 11t smaller cog to fit older freehub bodies.
XT in a season or two. SLX in 5 or 6?
With the NX Eagle launch, I would expect the SLX to get a 12 speed faster than ever.
Shimano takes a conservative approach: look how long they waited to bring out XTR12. They won't release a groupset until it's exceptionally polished and refined. In the case of SLX in particular, it will take a while to amortize the R&D costs of XTR. It took years for 12 speed to trickle down to less expensive groupsets for SRAM, but the price you pay for these first to market systems is that they lack the refinement of shimano systems.
Nope. X01 and XX1 Eagle came out in 2016, GX Eagle came out in 2017. And now one year later NX Eagle.
With Shimano you have to wait for their cassette body standard to get cheaper too, and if i've read correctly right now it's not an open standard like XD is... Nowadays there are tons of wheelsets available with the XD driver, and of course with NX Eagle you can get a 12spd 11-50 for the old Shimano standard.
I bet by the time Shimano 12spd gets down to NX level the industry is gonna be chasing the new next best thing. Probably triples or something like that...
How did you manage to do a group set review and not mention the derailleur?
@Maciej Jan Długosz he probably wrote the teleprompter himself. you do realise its his job to write a script right..?
@Maciej Jan Długosz haha
I have full xtr group and it is absolutely amazing! Best I ever had!
Slovenia! Hope you enjoyed our trails :D
Appreciate the inclusion of goats in the video. Nothing better to get a few cute things among all the facts :)
"We like to have consistent gaps between all the gearing" - I guess they haven't seen their cassettes before.
ThunderStruckCoach I came down here to comment on the same thing, you beat me to it. I’d like him to tell me how 12 cog 10-50 has less gaps than an 11 cog 11-46. This is why we dislike cycling journalists “reviews”
Well the slx 11-46 has quite some weird gaps. I don' t care but others might
That’s what you have to live with if you want a cassette that big. The only weird jump is 37 to 46 at the end. Everything else is similar to SRAM. SRAM gets it wrong with a massive gap between 10 and 12. Then in the middle they have a gap between 18 and 21, where Shimano has a comfortable 19 to 21. Those two gaps on SRAM eagle are what make the reviewer’s comments wrong. If you want a 500 or 511% range of 12 speed, you have no choice but gaps somewhere. 2x10 has 13 independent gear ratios and 2x11 14, making it a better choice. I for one will not be going 12 speed until they make it in a 42 cassette. I have no need to go slower than that or go faster with the use of a bigger chainring allowed by the 50t sprocket. I don’t use my 11t cog very often as it is.
@@jonathanzappala 2x is more complicated, harder to set up, more prone to damage, heavier, and flawed. its also just plain harder to use without thinking about it and i want to be thinking about nothing but the trail i'm riding.
bananas stuff and that’s fine if that’s what you want. But we are mocking the fact that with a 1x12 you are going to have big gaps until there is a smaller cassette on the market.
Looks good and the silent hub awesome.
I just want their silent hubs
Mr. Popo I’ve been riding Onyx hubs on my bikes for the past 2 years and they’re dead silent with instant engagement.
When Trickstuff implemented a bar support at the master cylinder people shat on it...stick an XTR sticker on it and now it's an amazing innovation.
Oh the lovely trails of my home country :)
Had to hop on my older #2 Giant XTR when much newer Pivot XO1 went into the shop, cable exploded in frame and wouldn't shift. Shifting the XTR was so smooth and quiet, light years ahead of the squirrel noises I get with the newly cabled XO1. Shifts great just can't escape noise no matter what I do, it's just noisy.
That price... Thank you. Cassete price is higher then whole Sram Eagle GX groupset. Ill w8 for XT.
duh xtr comparable to XX1 no GX I believe
I would like to try out the cassette but Im not spending another $100 on another damn freehub. Freehubs are way too expensive to just switch drivetrains whenever you want.
Cool now we need 2x12 dura-ace for road bike.😜
Can you confirm that the horrible cracking noises available in the M9000 group-set are finally gone ?
Many users suffers horribly from this problem (Including me). Shimano customer service is good i got my cassette and other parts replaced with no cost, but they never admit the problem, and even with the replacements the cracking stay the same.
The new XTR group looks very nice, but I don't see much innovation here beyond what you can already get from SRAM with Eagle (for less $$$). Plus, I like my noisy hub, it helps me to warn hikers sharing the trail with me that I am headed their way :-)
Driveline prices are similar to xx1, brakes are brutal expensive! New 4 piston XT will be plenty
the two-by lever was basically a copy of what the box 11-speed levers with their push/push system
Marcus Reby no it's not. It's like a ballpoint pen. Push once it comes out push again it goes back in.
oh ok, I get it now thanks!
Here's a Tip, Buy the M6100 Deore as it is Bulletproof. With the money you save, by a better Fork, etc.
Hi Sir! What's that black gloves u're wearing in this video? Ty
Shimano already had silent hubs in the late 90's (?), I think in the LX groupset.
Nothing there to make me trade in the Eagle. Will Eagle eTap be at Eurobike?
Where were you guys riding?! It looks beautiful!
Are Magera brakes compatible with this system? I hope they do bring this to the SLX level for us peasants.
Anyone knows if this works as replacement for a Tiagra 2x10 on a Trek checkpoint -4
Splendid! :)
#BikeRadar any thoughts on a new Shimano Saint drivetrain/brakes??
will 105 r7000 be next of your first ride review??
hey guys i can ask you somethink? xt m8000 11-42 casette and 26-36 crankset. i must buy gs or sgs m8000 rear dreuller? thak yours
Why this when e13 makes a lighter 11 speed 9 to 46 cassette to work with my xt/xtr setup
Is there any possibility for 12speed deore XT?
Wtf this is incredibly expensive... I couldn’t ever justify this when I can get a gx eagle for so much less with guides which are my favourite brakes I’ve ever ridden
The biggest deal here for me is the shift refinements allowing for shifts under power.
schlooonginator optimized for going down the cassette not up (as with SRAM), which is daft! You’re rarely on the power going fast down a hill but going up a hill you may even need to stand and need optimization’s going up the cassette range
@@neilk22
Shimano created the optimization of going up decades back. Just look at their 7speed cassettes, first to have the gates. The plus refers to having this both up and down. I trust what all reviewers have said when they claim its the best shifting off-road group.
the best part is the slient hub
JogBird no
No review of Deore T6000 and Deore XT T8000?
Cool. but costs as a New motorcycle '-
wut ? its cheaper than your college tuition fee
It's also the absolute top end kit you can buy. I'm pretty sure you can buy a motorcycle race engine that costs more than a car.
Skooteh Off curse, but this kit is not for haverbody just for some top bikers or some guys that have lot of money, Ill wait the slx 12v😅
It's just a pet peeve of mine when peoples dump on high end bike stuff because it's expensive. Every industry has silly-expensive high end products yet no-one bashes Bugatti/Ferrari/etc. for simply existing.
motorcycle
I have a question. Can i put this XTR to my specialized camber 2011 of not Pls reply
Life24 #onehappylife yes if you have a DT SWISS hub as I believe you have a quick release rear axle. It will work but you need a Microspline freehub.
Is possible uses a 12v sunrace cassete and a xt hub?
Time to stockpile 3 x 11 XT before 3 ring systems are completely gone :-(. Does anyone use their MTB for long spins that include extreme climbs, extended road sections and full on technical off road descents or has the sport turned completely into riding trail centres on maintenance hungry engineless motorbikes? I like the 530% range my 3x10 XT groupset offers, as well as the much closer gear spacing I get, all without a dinner plate on the rear wheel compromising ground clearance and grindy chain angles in high and low gears.
Hopefully the silent clutch rear hub is better than Shimano's previous attempts at this - there's nothing worse than a spongy drivetrain and that's very hard to eliminate without making the parts very rigid (And heavy) if they're using a spragg clutch style system. Certainly I'll need considerable convincing based on the horrific sponginess of the roller clutches in the Alfine 11 hub and Shimano's earlier silent clutch MTB hubs where you lose a good chunk of each pedal stroke under power due to the hub unwinding after the crank hits bottom dead centre. It's not like Shimano to make junk, but lately they're copying a lot of features that turned me completely away from SRAM in the first place - uneven gear spacings, single front chainrings, limited gear range etc. For the first time since the 90s when I started biking I'm looking at what's out there and I literally can't find anything that doesn't look like a step backwards from the setup I already have on my steel hardtail for covering a very wide range of terrain with minimum maintenance and lively handling (Getting some payback for knowing how to ride a bike rather than having the bike doing all the work for you).
What's a 3x? lol
Just wait for Chris King to get permission to implement the new cassette standard with their angry bees!
I'm with you, I ride on the road to get to my favourite local trails and so I'm sticking with my 3 x 9 XT chainset as long as possible (I'm often in 44 x 11). One x chainsets just don't have the gear range (except for trail centre riders) and the rear cassettes weigh a ton!
I think the bike industry wants bikes to be more specialized and narrow in use, thereby creating a necessity to have more bikes. 1x is just stupid. As are pressfit bottom brackets. Sure, you lose weight by tossing your shifter and derailleur, but then the low end bikes get super heavy cassettes that transfer all that weight to the rear of the bike, then it feels like garbage. Also, when you ride in really bad mud and your rear cassette is totally caked in mud or your rear der. stops shifting, a front der. usually still shifts. With a 1x, you are out of luck.
On a full suspension mountain bike, a front derailer is not your friend. Either the suspension geometry makes it a total pig to shift, or there's no physical space to mount the front derailer. Front derailers are also my least favourite adjustment on any bike.
Keep your money guys, you don't need this stuff.. Just ride have fun
Yup...its new and shiny so...
Why do you praise XTR's versatility? You can find Sram eagle in the exact same configurations on XC race, trail and enduro bikes.
+RUclips User the only difference between srams 12s cassettes are the weight. you can't find a non 10-50t cassette or a front derailleur on any configuration of eagle.
Skooteh buy you can use a 12 speed chain on standard chainrings and therefore you can use a 2x. It isnt an official sram option, but you can do it if you want to. Why would you though?
Yes, you can run a 12spd chain with standard chainrings, but you can't run a 2x with a SRAM 1x specific rear derailleur. First, big capacity issues. Second, it uses an offset pulley so the B-gap changes as the cage rotates forward. So a front shift would scew your b-gap up big time.
X to the T to the R...
TwoWheelWarrior to the S, Shimano’s only got the best!
Paper thin cogs for more frequent replacement = more $ for Shimano
got the M9000 Di2....I wouldn't go back to mechanical shifting..
this is not real for users .... testing brand new groupset is easy .... maybe a longer test like using for 1k km ... at least to change the chain to check how is the quality after longer test
4:58 brake pad rubbing against the caliper, lol. 5k bike and a bad setup
is it not the disc not running true and contacting the pad making that chuff chuff noise ?
I have never, and I mean ever, been able to keep their 2 piece Ice Tech rotors true for more than 3 rides, whereas my SRAM centerline rotor has never gone out of true in over 4k miles of hard use.... I'm 200lbs, so maybe that has something to do with it, but I'm definitely not alone in this and a quick search will show that.
Yeah, a tiny amount of rub like that does not matter at all though. Its more of an OCD thing.
ThunderStruckCoach im a bit lighter at 68kg/150lbs, but i had my rotors from shimano for about 5k km and they never went out of true. Commuting, trail riding, XC, longer distance road riding, you name it. And commuting here is quite stressful on brakes since so many idiots don't look when crossing a street. Hard braking almost every single commute -.-
i have some cheap shimano rotors and for me it works fine, 2.500 km.
The cymbal crashes in the music are annoying. I’m trying to listen.
The XTR was the king for long and I still feel it is premium. But every part can be found better on different manufacturers for less. And the looks of XTR is kinda.. meh.. it is so understated for something that should be so special. It should stand out and have far more temptation to buy. Ok it is good stuff, not the best, not the cheapest and kind of boring to look at. My 2 cents.
@MJD LOL nahh.. not like that.. more like go for some anodized and carbon look or something. Develop a highly recognized look that stands out. Designwise all they ever do is pour that grey xtr sauce on it and be done. It is time to step it up a lil.
thanks but i'm keep with my gx eagle and mi guide rsc , love it
And proprietary!
I'm guessing XT 12 speed at the end of the year and SLX 12 speed early next year? Shimano is so predictable.
Late next year would be my guess.
I am actually very keen to see what XT M8100 would look like. It is usually that XT is more well-thought and refined than XTR (with the latter paying a role of a proving ground).
Am i the only one watching this but i cant even afford it?
for that price and it doesnt even come with carbon cranks....
It sounded great cause you can't hear it
Shimano should stick to fishing rods - they are two years behind the wave, and taking even longer in their product cycle to copy the others - With Rotor announcing a 13 speed hydraulic shifted mech with a range of cassettes to suit both road and Mtb applications this video makes me feel sad for shimano
the price for the brakest is fUcKInG RIDiculOUS!!!?!?!!!!?!!!!111!!!?!/!!
definetly better thank pink*cough*bike
Who needs 10t sprocket instead of 11? Typical marketing...
I love my 10T! Use a gear calculator and you will see that it makes a big difference. Nothing new or special tho, SRAM has been doing it for ages.
Ride what you have and don't even bother! Shifting is agricultural!
to be frank, I can't see myself buying brakes for 600- that's like a quarq power meter spider!!
Also, get yourselves a gimball setup for fuck's sake. I've got a hedache from watching that awfull footage
£600 for brakes, are you fucking kidding me?!?
Shimano is a joke and SRAM really have nothing to worry about here.
XTR is entirely irrelevant. Unless, of course, somebody else does your bike shopping for you.
On day we will have 1x27 to get the 3x9 gearing 😂 copy-past ;P did somebody from you BIG RUclipsrs will tell that actually all components will wear much faster ( or you all forbidden to say that by sponsors?))))) cos chain braking anglescross gearing)( and pressure on 1by on such a big cassette .. they dont want you to have anymore long lasting parts ,business will go down ;) NOWADAYS BUSINESS , SIMPLE !"
Actually, 3x9 does not necessarily equates to 27 unique gear ratios. Furthermore, not all of these possible 27 gear combinations make sense to be used. Also, on durability: not that I am trying to say that you are wrong, but to evaluate it correctly comparison tests need to be performed and together with statistics data analysis
. Look at 1:24 in this video. Take a close look at the three biggest cogs. Roughly cast, irregular lumps and spots all over these cogs and a cheap paint job. And cheap casting that embarasses Shimano's standards. Don't feed me Bull > I know when I see poor quality engineeering and or craftsmanship. I'm not impressed
yeah it works and pretty well I'm sure. but it looks cheap and unfinished.I'm surprised myself.
No it’s oil