After switching from X01 to XT 8100 I can confirm shifting is indeed REALLY firm. Took months of getting used to, but now it's ok. Multiple release shifting is great. XT brakes really are superior, these feel even better than my previous XTR 9000 brakes, less play in the levers and better modulation. What I would like to add: shifting under force is incredible, it even seems to shift better when you apply more force; and X01 needs much more adjustments in my experience - always something rattling, not shifting smooth, etc. I keep my bikes reasonably clean, but not perfect: in this case XT seems to work better.
Sorry to be off topic but does any of you know of a tool to get back into an Instagram account..? I stupidly forgot my account password. I would appreciate any tips you can give me.
@Cason Lionel I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and Im trying it out now. I see it takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
Cześć! You are saying the exact thing my bike mechanic always said. Never saw any of his bikes with anything more than SLX, maybe a XT here and there, that he found to be worthwhile, and was not because he couldn't afford it, was just bad investment for him. Now, if you have the money and need of ownership pride, than go for the XTR's and XX1's, the market and producers need you! Keep up the great work with this channel.
I upgraded my 2017 Trek Fuel EX 9.8 with this new XT 1x12. I love it. Being able to shift under load is a game changer. Being able to shift multiple gears. Up and down is a game changer.
A really fantastic video, and the only one that finally answered all my questions after watching many videos reading blogs and manufacturer websites. Got a thumbs up from me.
Excellent analysis on the comparison of the different drive terrain options, and how they feel in particular. I agree that XT feels a bit harder to shift than X01 (not as smooth). I didn't realize that was done intentionally to give reliability. I agree 100% Shimano brakes are superior to SRAM brakes.
Thanks a lot for your video. Definitely great review. 1x12 sram eagle drivetrains are great, but shifter feedback is better on Shimano XT/XTR. I didn't like the brakes on sram guide either. I just sold my 2x11 full XT trail bike. Eagerly waiting a new trail bike with 1x12 drivetrain -XT shifter & derailleur on a SLX cassette and crank. 4-piston XT brakes and fox forks and suspension. Pretty excited!!
@@norhasmiza4474 actually I was expecting a 2020 Giant trance 2 with XT shifter and derailleur. But changed my mind to Polygon Siskiu N9 2021 model. Even better 😉
Yes! I had to change my xt shifter to a deore, because some internals broke. I'm stunned by how much worse the deore feels. It also shifts nowhere as good. If I could change to sram gx right now I would. I had a ton of issues with my xt groupset so far.
@@BrianRPaterson sure thing! 1. Sometimes the Chain jumps on the smallest gear of the casette. 2. The derailior need alot of maintenance like cleaning, and spraying wd40 into the derailior pivots and the hose where the cable comes out. If you don't do that every month, it's going to shift like crap. 3. The internals of my xt shifter broke after 2 months and it wasn't fixable. 4. The microspline hubs get a little damaged after some time. 5. On my slx casette there is a inconsistency in the distance between the gears. Between 2 on my gears the distance is a little longer than the others. Because of that it doesn't shift very good between the two. 6. The casette easily gets super dirty, and it looks rly bad when it does because it's silver. Thanks for reading, let me know which one you choose. Have a good day!
With these great rapid fire and instant release features... Maybe it's possible to use sram derailleur with shimano shifter? UPD. There is the vid on love mtb channel, xtr and eagle are compatible with 12 speed
Actually first good info on the differences on the triggers I have seen. Thanks. I'll stick to SLX trigger this time, since I want that soft feel and don't need to shift 2 times up anyway.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!! This is the most informative video on these drivetrains. I am new to mountain biking and your video just saved me a lot of money!!!!!
Thanks for all your videos and this great information, are very useful! And very easy to understand to a non-english speaker without subtitles. Great! Greetings from another sickbiker ;)
First of all, I really appreciate your informative videos. Thank you. Shimano is not making a twist/wrist shifter for their 1x12, so I cannot buy Shimano. I love riding, am 68 years old, can afford what I want, but I have had surgery in both thumbs which make twist shifter necessary and therefore only SRAM 1x12 are available to me. Do you have any suggestion, because I am actually sad to have to leave Shimano after all these years - but I want 1x12, not 2x? anymore. Thank you.
what kind of rider then you are mister ? city flat ..or ,mountain? cos in your age respect , if you do mountain riding more gear ratios is obviously needed for your legs , so 2x
@@peteristrups5565 Thank you for your reply. I have a 3x8 29" TREK "MTN" bike that I do many thimgs with. It is my daily commuter to work, as well as riding it for 4 - 8 miles a couple times a week on a combination of pavement, logging roads, and trails. Some of the trails are too rough on the bike which is set up with fenders and various lights, plus the Maxxis Crossmark tires are great for this combination, but I want a bike that will climb and downhill in the muddy Rocky terrain of our Oregon Mountains. No flying or flips or broken bones, but I do want a dropper seat and just climb up and down with a bike that can take it. I really like the idea of getting rid of my front derailer which, over the many years (many bikes) that comes off in the worst times.
Can I ask?...has there been a long term problem with XT rear hubs going bad?...I have had my XT group set for only 8 months and I have gone through two rear hubs.. I'm told to change to HOPE hubs now. but why are XT always going bad?
I did!! Im running a 12s XTR shifter on Deore 12-speed RD and cog. Also, I spend a little bit of cash on that XTR chain cuz it's better and more durable in the long run, it will save ur cogs from wearing out early. seriously feels like XTR when shifting quick and very responsive. plus you won't cry if you bashed or crash ur bike Rear Derailleur first cuz it's cheaper.
Can I install a XT Shifter onto my Sram GX 1x12 gear set? I am 70yrs and sometimes have thumb pain. Love my Commencal with Sram GX which I ride 10 months of the year and the last 4 years my twist shift is wearing out and getting harder to shift. I also have Canyon Neuron with XT which I own overseas and use 2 months of the year and I love it's shifting. I have worn out my GX Grip (twist) shifter and am replacing it with a new one. I live in Oregon have all three new shifters in their boxes - GX Eagle Trigger Shifter, GX Eagle Grip (Twist) Shifter, and a Shimano XT SL-8100 Because I love the XT on my Neuron, I was wondering if it possible and I should try it out on my Commencal. - - - - - What will happen? Or should I just stick with the GX Grip Shifter. Thank you.
Fantastic channel! New subscriber from Slovakia ;-) I cant find solution: I have rear freehub Shimano HB RM33 on my bike with CS HG200-9 cassette. Can I replace this cassette with new CS-HG50-10 10-speed Deore cassette ( along with rear derailer and chain etc...) but keep the freehub? Or is it not compatible and have to change hub too?
I think it's compatible and 11speed won't be compatible anymore. But I recommend asking either your local shop or some online shop. I have made very good experiences with both, especially the latter.
I know you're probably not a Shimano spokesperson, but where can I find all the Shimano XT 11- and 12-speed groupsets in the United States? Chain Reaction Cycles is only selling them in Europe at the moment. I know a lot of these components are scarce right now due to high demand for bike parts, but is there anyone who sells these in the USA besides on ebay? Thanks for your insight, great video!
On my Canyon (Neuron AL 7), they mixed Deore XT M8100 derailleur with SLX M7100 cassette and shifter. It works great and it saves money. I can multiple down-shift, but not up.
Honestly, with those components, I would rather have the SLX derailleur and the XT shifter. The SLX derailleur is a bit heavier but most won't notice the difference, but the ability to shift up multiple gears is a very noticeable difference.
its not like this to save money. Canyon usually specs higher tier derailleurs beacause thats the component that you notice instantly, as opposed to the chain or the cassette.
I'm still waiting for the day when bike companies realize that the shifter is what makes the difference, not the rear derailleur. I see soo many bikes with all slx and just an xt rear derailleur. Sometimes even a complete Deore or even lower groupset with an xt rear derailleur. Yet was looking for an xt shifter in my local shops to test how they feel and I could not find ANY bike with them. All manufacturers whose bikes are sold here seem to spec slx shifters on otherwise xt drivetrains. It's really annoying.
SimulatedScience the shifter doesn’t make any difference to the shifting. All you get is a nicer paddle or a smoother action which in itself is well worth the money when you consider how often your going to have to use it. SLX shifters are absolutely rancid but they’ll function just as well as an XTR. It’s the the chain and cassette that makes the most difference in performance. It used to be the shifter back in the day but they’re all the same these days.
@@TheNotoriousMIC you are forgetting one important difference between slx and XT shifters: XT shifters allow two shifts at once in both directions, slx only into easier gears. Also an SLX lever has a lighter action which can cause accidental shifts on rough terrain, or at least accidally shifting more gears than you wanted. Even if an SLX derailleur has slightly worse shifting quality, I think we can all agree that even a complete SLX drivetrain shifts absolutely great. Additional features like instant- and two-way release, which only the XT and XTR shifters offer, makes the much bigger difference. On my gravel bike I even have a Claris drivetrain and it shifts absolutely perfectly. A bit slower than the more expensive group sets but the shifting itself is great.
SimulatedScience that’s a massive negative in my book. I’d rather the shifter released the gear when you let go of the paddle not when you push it like XT / XTR. It’s a pointless gimmick that doesn’t add anything and just adds a load of resistance to the shifter action and makes it hard to push. Same with shifting twice at once. It never works smoothly. It’s just another pointless gimmick that doesn’t work.
im now waiting to come my M8100 2x12 XC groupset ...YESS YESS its not a popular 1by setup ...which is a smart choise to have 2x on marathons where 70% is up hill ,cos riding down hill to be honest you can have 1x1 ...and will use 99% your brake levers then pedal on ...i thought some time ago you have same thinking about 2x setup as me ?!
The most soft touch shifter and rd in shimano is the shimano saints, i test all shimano groupsets and no one can defeat the saonts 820, from cyclist in the philippines
I just rode a friend's bike with Deore 2x10, it's very reliable and smooth. Honestly, I don't think the average rider who's not racing would need anything else, maybe SLX for the native 1x options, but that's it.
shimano shifters work only with shimano derailleurs and sram shifters work only with sram derailleurs. There are some models where they are cross-compatible and you can find people online Nthat use them as such, but its more of a gimmick and just for peace of mind i wouldnt mix those two. But for the rest, the cassette doesnt matter as much, nor the crank.
riding xc to dh for ..30+ years now. lived through the rise of sram and can say all the sram parts that ive owned have had issues. poor shifting or fast wearing. shimano all the way, they've been faultless since non indexed 7-8 speed shifters lol.
You're so right. I had issues with Sram Guide brakes so replaced them for XTR 9120s. No problems. One of my bikes has GX Eagle. I can't fault the shifting but it's noisy on the bigger cogs. Sounds cheap. Thinking of changing it over for the old XTR 9000 as I have an entire groupset which I've never used. I've actually got 1.5 groupsets. One is 1x11 (34) the other 2x11 (26/36). I'm not fully sold on the whole one by thing. It's not hilly where I live either. LBS thinks I'm mad. One of my other bikes has the old XTR 9000 in a one by set up. I prefer it to Eagle despite having one less gear.
I recently got a new bike with SRAM GX eagle and I have nothing to complain about. After 900km it still shifts perfectly with almost no maintenance except for cleaning every now and then. When parts wear out I'll still be replacing them with Shimano though as those parts are cheaper. I won't spend 140€ for a new GX cassette if I can get an slx or xt one for half the price. I'm also considering to upgrade to an xt shifter for the multi- and instant-release
Hi, i could get the Orbea Occam TR 2018 Model with Fox Factory Kashima, DT Swiss 1700 Weehlset and Sram GX 12x Eagle Groupset USED with about 1700km for 2000 Euros - is that a good Price? Or should i rather get a 2020 Scott Scale 910 about the same Price? I am riding long distances up to 100km a day, rather only flat terrain...
Shimano are always two steps behind theses days and they can’t really complete in the OEM market as they only make brakes and gearing. You can go to sram and bulk buy everything and get a good deal on it, where the alternative would be putting two smaller orders in with fox and shimano and maybe even a few others and not getting as good a deal.
@@TheNotoriousMIC but Shimano components are cheaper than SRAM. Just look at cassettes. A GX one costs 140€, a Shimano XT cassette, which is about the same quality, costs about 100€. It's about the same difference if you buy a complete drivetrain. Also you can still go with RockShox suspension, no need to buy Fox.
i really hate lack of instant release feature on sram shifters and sram are to sensitive - lots of accidental shifts on bumps when you keep your thumbs on the levers/ so i stuck with shimano ( ofcourse it is critical only for my race bike
I have a problem that the chain drops on the front blade in mud conditions. In top gear because then the chain is very crooked en drops then. Very annoying!
Man clutches on sram are a joke shimano shits all over sram the fact that u can service a clutch is a good thing i just put a xo1 in the bin and bought a shimano xt best decision ever and one more thing shimano clutches are way stronger reducing chain slap so give yourself a uppercut
i prefer sram level t, level have more information, and i stil have power to stopie with 1 finger. Shimano on my opinion have 2 option on/off, and sram will work at -30 on my fatbike sorry for bad english, I'm just a uneducated Russian
Best bang for the buck early 2020: XT shifters, SLX mech and the 11-50 Sunrace cassette. Works on regular Shimano freehubs and costs about the same as a "high end" cassette.
Tobias Stamenkovic Ergh no. SLX mech is made from cheese and doesn’t last and a sunrace cassette will not shift as well as a sram cassette or even shimano.
Shifting performance depends on shifter most of the time. Use SX derailleur with XX1 shifter and you will be supriset how well performs. Maintance, weight etc. are other point.
Sorry, but i don't want my mtb chain 🔗 or the cassette to have rust or wear out so i'll buy XX1 groupset or at least X01 groupset, in near future 😉 Currently I'm using a Merida One Sixty 600 [2018]
I’ve got the SLX 12 sp cassette, derailleur and chain, for pure winter riding (rain,mud,salt) and I’ve not seen any rust, the last 3 months. So I don’t know what you’re on about?????
@@wonderwatch2239 I don't know what you're on too, because i didn't spoke with you & i didn't ask you nothing. I don't even smoke, & i don't even drink very often. Maybe you smoke & drink occasionally. You should take your meds, because you start giving replies on people's comments without their consent. 🤦♂️
@@mihaics23 dude are you alright? if you comment something on RUclips is obvious that you can get replies, and if your transmission rusts, you don't even know how to keep them running wekl
Short brake levers suck. The closer your finger is to the pivot the greater angle change making them more sensitive to fluid volume to maintain a parallel contact point with the bar. Levels are more ergonomic and powerful enough to stop Nino Schurter....
After switching from X01 to XT 8100 I can confirm shifting is indeed REALLY firm. Took months of getting used to, but now it's ok. Multiple release shifting is great. XT brakes really are superior, these feel even better than my previous XTR 9000 brakes, less play in the levers and better modulation. What I would like to add: shifting under force is incredible, it even seems to shift better when you apply more force; and X01 needs much more adjustments in my experience - always something rattling, not shifting smooth, etc. I keep my bikes reasonably clean, but not perfect: in this case XT seems to work better.
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Cześć!
You are saying the exact thing my bike mechanic always said. Never saw any of his bikes with anything more than SLX, maybe a XT here and there, that he found to be worthwhile, and was not because he couldn't afford it, was just bad investment for him.
Now, if you have the money and need of ownership pride, than go for the XTR's and XX1's, the market and producers need you!
Keep up the great work with this channel.
I use full SLX groupset and it serves me well. No racings, just looong day trips.
I upgraded my 2017 Trek Fuel EX 9.8 with this new XT 1x12. I love it. Being able to shift under load is a game changer. Being able to shift multiple gears. Up and down is a game changer.
A really fantastic video, and the only one that finally answered all my questions after watching many videos reading blogs and manufacturer websites. Got a thumbs up from me.
Excellent analysis on the comparison of the different drive terrain options, and how they feel in particular. I agree that XT feels a bit harder to shift than X01 (not as smooth). I didn't realize that was done intentionally to give reliability. I agree 100% Shimano brakes are superior to SRAM brakes.
I have this full groupset on my xc hardtail, absolutely perfect 👌🏻
You: you don't need to buy XT
me: fine, I'll buy XTR. 😂 👌
Sir you're a hero when it comes to details to details and when it comes to real talk about components, No BS and No paid advertising. Kudos to you👌
Thanks a lot for your video. Definitely great review. 1x12 sram eagle drivetrains are great, but shifter feedback is better on Shimano XT/XTR. I didn't like the brakes on sram guide either.
I just sold my 2x11 full XT trail bike.
Eagerly waiting a new trail bike with 1x12 drivetrain -XT shifter & derailleur on a SLX cassette and crank.
4-piston XT brakes and fox forks and suspension. Pretty excited!!
What model bike? Share please
@@norhasmiza4474 actually I was expecting a 2020 Giant trance 2 with XT shifter and derailleur. But changed my mind to Polygon Siskiu N9 2021 model. Even better 😉
Xt rear mech maybe not but it’s worth getting n xt shifter for sure spend the extra in that part. Much nicer feel on gear changes I’ve found
Yes! I had to change my xt shifter to a deore, because some internals broke. I'm stunned by how much worse the deore feels. It also shifts nowhere as good. If I could change to sram gx right now I would. I had a ton of issues with my xt groupset so far.
@@iliyadavoodipour258 What issues? Can you share a few? I'm in the middle of a new build and wondering what group to go with. Cheers
@@BrianRPaterson sure thing!
1. Sometimes the Chain jumps on the smallest gear of the casette.
2. The derailior need alot of maintenance like cleaning, and spraying wd40 into the derailior pivots and the hose where the cable comes out. If you don't do that every month, it's going to shift like crap.
3. The internals of my xt shifter broke after 2 months and it wasn't fixable.
4. The microspline hubs get a little damaged after some time.
5. On my slx casette there is a inconsistency in the distance between the gears. Between 2 on my gears the distance is a little longer than the others. Because of that it doesn't shift very good between the two.
6. The casette easily gets super dirty, and it looks rly bad when it does because it's silver.
Thanks for reading, let me know which one you choose. Have a good day!
I don't even ride MTBs, but your videos are always so educational
With these great rapid fire and instant release features... Maybe it's possible to use sram derailleur with shimano shifter?
UPD. There is the vid on love mtb channel, xtr and eagle are compatible with 12 speed
Actually first good info on the differences on the triggers I have seen. Thanks. I'll stick to SLX trigger this time, since I want that soft feel and don't need to shift 2 times up anyway.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!! This is the most informative video on these drivetrains. I am new to mountain biking and your video just saved me a lot of money!!!!!
I'm using XT groupset and love the shifting on XT. I change 1 or two gears without thinking about it.
Thanks for all your videos and this great information, are very useful! And very easy to understand to a non-english speaker without subtitles. Great! Greetings from another sickbiker ;)
I’m running axs mech with xt cassette and it is beautiful
strange. why didnt you say anything about the hyperglide+ ? i thought the new shimanos shift way better than srym because of that.
Thanks for that mate i new mine had that function but was confused how it worked you have shown me the way to go thanks
First of all, I really appreciate your informative videos. Thank you.
Shimano is not making a twist/wrist shifter for their 1x12, so I cannot buy Shimano.
I love riding, am 68 years old, can afford what I want, but I have had surgery in both thumbs which make twist shifter necessary and therefore only SRAM 1x12 are available to me.
Do you have any suggestion, because I am actually sad to have to leave Shimano after all these years - but I want 1x12, not 2x? anymore.
Thank you.
what kind of rider then you are mister ? city flat ..or ,mountain? cos in your age respect , if you do mountain riding more gear ratios is obviously needed for your legs , so 2x
@@peteristrups5565
Thank you for your reply.
I have a 3x8 29" TREK "MTN" bike that I do many thimgs with. It is my daily commuter to work, as well as riding it for 4 - 8 miles a couple times a week on a combination of pavement, logging roads, and trails. Some of the trails are too rough on the bike which is set up with fenders and various lights, plus the Maxxis Crossmark
tires are great for this combination, but I want a bike that will climb and downhill in the muddy Rocky terrain of our Oregon Mountains. No flying or flips or broken bones, but I do want a dropper seat and just climb up and down with a bike that can take it.
I really like the idea of getting rid of my front derailer which, over the many years (many bikes) that comes off in the worst times.
Can I ask?...has there been a long term problem with XT rear hubs going bad?...I have had my XT group set for only 8 months and I have gone through two rear hubs.. I'm told to change to HOPE hubs now. but why are XT always going bad?
Did you have to buy brake cables or shifter cables when buying this group set? Or does it come with everything you need
Can I use XTR shifter with deore rear derailleur ? Will that multiple downshift work normal like on XT derailleur ?
yes, they are all compatible. Make sure to get the right number of speeds, but I am pretty sure the XTR shifter works with either 11sp or 12sp
I did!! Im running a 12s XTR shifter on Deore 12-speed RD and cog. Also, I spend a little bit of cash on that XTR chain cuz it's better and more durable in the long run, it will save ur cogs from wearing out early. seriously feels like XTR when shifting quick and very responsive. plus you won't cry if you bashed or crash ur bike Rear Derailleur first cuz it's cheaper.
With the smaller cassette did you go for a medium cage derailleur or stay with the long?
Can I install a XT Shifter onto my Sram GX 1x12 gear set?
I am 70yrs and sometimes have thumb pain.
Love my Commencal with Sram GX which I ride 10 months of the year and the last 4 years my twist shift is wearing out and getting harder to shift.
I also have Canyon Neuron with XT which I own overseas and use 2 months of the year and I love it's shifting.
I have worn out my GX Grip (twist) shifter and am replacing it with a new one.
I live in Oregon have all three new shifters in their boxes - GX Eagle Trigger Shifter, GX Eagle Grip (Twist) Shifter, and a Shimano XT SL-8100
Because I love the XT on my Neuron, I was wondering if it possible and I should try it out on my Commencal.
- - - - - What will happen?
Or should I just stick with the GX Grip Shifter.
Thank you.
Fantastic channel! New subscriber from Slovakia ;-) I cant find solution: I have rear freehub Shimano HB RM33 on my bike with CS HG200-9 cassette. Can I replace this cassette with new CS-HG50-10 10-speed Deore cassette ( along with rear derailer and chain etc...) but keep the freehub? Or is it not compatible and have to change hub too?
I think it's compatible and 11speed won't be compatible anymore. But I recommend asking either your local shop or some online shop. I have made very good experiences with both, especially the latter.
I know you're probably not a Shimano spokesperson, but where can I find all the Shimano XT 11- and 12-speed groupsets in the United States? Chain Reaction Cycles is only selling them in Europe at the moment. I know a lot of these components are scarce right now due to high demand for bike parts, but is there anyone who sells these in the USA besides on ebay? Thanks for your insight, great video!
jenson and worldwide cyclery.
On my Canyon (Neuron AL 7), they mixed Deore XT M8100 derailleur with SLX M7100 cassette and shifter. It works great and it saves money. I can multiple down-shift, but not up.
Honestly, with those components, I would rather have the SLX derailleur and the XT shifter. The SLX derailleur is a bit heavier but most won't notice the difference, but the ability to shift up multiple gears is a very noticeable difference.
its not like this to save money. Canyon usually specs higher tier derailleurs beacause thats the component that you notice instantly, as opposed to the chain or the cassette.
nice ! im shimano fan boy ! for me slx grup with xt shifter
I'm still waiting for the day when bike companies realize that the shifter is what makes the difference, not the rear derailleur.
I see soo many bikes with all slx and just an xt rear derailleur. Sometimes even a complete Deore or even lower groupset with an xt rear derailleur.
Yet was looking for an xt shifter in my local shops to test how they feel and I could not find ANY bike with them.
All manufacturers whose bikes are sold here seem to spec slx shifters on otherwise xt drivetrains.
It's really annoying.
SimulatedScience the shifter doesn’t make any difference to the shifting. All you get is a nicer paddle or a smoother action which in itself is well worth the money when you consider how often your going to have to use it. SLX shifters are absolutely rancid but they’ll function just as well as an XTR. It’s the the chain and cassette that makes the most difference in performance. It used to be the shifter back in the day but they’re all the same these days.
@@sebastianjost slx derailleur has more slop and bushings in the pulley wheels which affects shift quality
@@TheNotoriousMIC you are forgetting one important difference between slx and XT shifters:
XT shifters allow two shifts at once in both directions, slx only into easier gears.
Also an SLX lever has a lighter action which can cause accidental shifts on rough terrain, or at least accidally shifting more gears than you wanted.
Even if an SLX derailleur has slightly worse shifting quality, I think we can all agree that even a complete SLX drivetrain shifts absolutely great.
Additional features like instant- and two-way release, which only the XT and XTR shifters offer, makes the much bigger difference.
On my gravel bike I even have a Claris drivetrain and it shifts absolutely perfectly. A bit slower than the more expensive group sets but the shifting itself is great.
SimulatedScience that’s a massive negative in my book. I’d rather the shifter released the gear when you let go of the paddle not when you push it like XT / XTR. It’s a pointless gimmick that doesn’t add anything and just adds a load of resistance to the shifter action and makes it hard to push. Same with shifting twice at once. It never works smoothly. It’s just another pointless gimmick that doesn’t work.
im now waiting to come my M8100 2x12 XC groupset ...YESS YESS its not a popular 1by setup ...which is a smart choise to have 2x on marathons where 70% is up hill ,cos riding down hill to be honest you can have 1x1 ...and will use 99% your brake levers then pedal on ...i thought some time ago you have same thinking about 2x setup as me ?!
1X is crap dont fall for the hype
But if I can recommend. I would say go XT as you plan but replace the XT crank with the XTR crank. I don't see why Shimano went 26/36 with XT.
2x is good.
@@ayrtonl9983 if you are not so strong like Nino or other pro rider then is def good
Why are sram clutches better? I see way more chain slap with the sram compared to Shimano.
Basically Sram clutches are too weak..
He made another video on that. I think it's called something like "why sram is better than shimano"
This video makes regret of buying a M7000. I train and race XC very serious. But I guess I’ll just wait to wear them out lol.
Is there a weight dif on xt 11 speed crank/chainring vs xt 12 speed crank/chainring? Is there a dif between chainrings?
I am new to this, do the same groupsets work for road bikes and mountain bikes? I am looking for a 1 x 12 for my road bike.
You probably have already found out, but no, its not the same
One more awesome video , I really enjoy them , now about 5:38 I have sram x5 and it downshifts 3 gears in a row
Slx and XT can shift 4 gears at a time, SRAM GX eagle and upwards can shift up to 5 gears at a time.
(Down the cassette = into harder gears)
The most soft touch shifter and rd in shimano is the shimano saints, i test all shimano groupsets and no one can defeat the saonts 820, from cyclist in the philippines
i love my deore m6000 with 11-46 casset sanrace csmx3 but want to try garbaruk 11-45 casset on shimano hub
in my town does not happen xc race =(
I just rode a friend's bike with Deore 2x10, it's very reliable and smooth. Honestly, I don't think the average rider who's not racing would need anything else, maybe SLX for the native 1x options, but that's it.
im planning to have xt m8100 with new deore brakeset. :)
i'm just curious ... what grips are those?
Its custom Orbea grips, "OC3"
Can i use xt group set but DR, cassette and crank use sram gx?
shimano shifters work only with shimano derailleurs and sram shifters work only with sram derailleurs. There are some models where they are cross-compatible and you can find people online Nthat use them as such, but its more of a gimmick and just for peace of mind i wouldnt mix those two. But for the rest, the cassette doesnt matter as much, nor the crank.
@@wobllle6526 wrong, on 12 speed shimano and sram both uses 1:1 ratio on shifters
@@pabloc106 yea i said some models
riding xc to dh for ..30+ years now. lived through the rise of sram and can say all the sram parts that ive owned have had issues. poor shifting or fast wearing. shimano all the way, they've been faultless since non indexed 7-8 speed shifters lol.
You're so right. I had issues with Sram Guide brakes so replaced them for XTR 9120s. No problems. One of my bikes has GX Eagle. I can't fault the shifting but it's noisy on the bigger cogs. Sounds cheap. Thinking of changing it over for the old XTR 9000 as I have an entire groupset which I've never used. I've actually got 1.5 groupsets. One is 1x11 (34) the other 2x11 (26/36). I'm not fully sold on the whole one by thing. It's not hilly where I live either. LBS thinks I'm mad. One of my other bikes has the old XTR 9000 in a one by set up. I prefer it to Eagle despite having one less gear.
I recently got a new bike with SRAM GX eagle and I have nothing to complain about. After 900km it still shifts perfectly with almost no maintenance except for cleaning every now and then.
When parts wear out I'll still be replacing them with Shimano though as those parts are cheaper.
I won't spend 140€ for a new GX cassette if I can get an slx or xt one for half the price.
I'm also considering to upgrade to an xt shifter for the multi- and instant-release
Hi, i could get the Orbea Occam TR 2018 Model with Fox Factory Kashima, DT Swiss 1700 Weehlset and Sram GX 12x Eagle Groupset USED with about 1700km for 2000 Euros - is that a good Price? Or should i rather get a 2020 Scott Scale 910 about the same Price? I am riding long distances
up to 100km a day, rather only flat terrain...
Awesome video!
This is all great but it is increasingly harder to find Shimano speced bikes, especially brakes. There’s just too many bikes with sram guides.
In my local bike shops it's the other way around. Most bikes have Shimano brakes. Even those with SRAM drivetrains.
Shimano are always two steps behind theses days and they can’t really complete in the OEM market as they only make brakes and gearing. You can go to sram and bulk buy everything and get a good deal on it, where the alternative would be putting two smaller orders in with fox and shimano and maybe even a few others and not getting as good a deal.
@@TheNotoriousMIC but Shimano components are cheaper than SRAM.
Just look at cassettes. A GX one costs 140€, a Shimano XT cassette, which is about the same quality, costs about 100€.
It's about the same difference if you buy a complete drivetrain.
Also you can still go with RockShox suspension, no need to buy Fox.
Isn't your chain on Orbea way tooooo long?..
great vid, thank you!
1x12 or 2x12 for hilly XC and Marathons?
1x11.
2x. You have choose with a 1X. Do you want to climb? Or do you want to descend? You cant have both. Simple as that.
Really good info,
i really hate lack of instant release feature on sram shifters and sram are to sensitive - lots of accidental shifts on bumps when you keep your thumbs on the levers/ so i stuck with shimano (
ofcourse it is critical only for my race bike
Me: Not racing, but have full XTR on my Megatower
What hubs can I use with xt?
micro spline hubs. DT Swiss, Mavic, Newmen etc
@@feketekave1 can I use hope pro?
XT for example.
I believe the Hope Pro 4 has an adapter, but I’d email Hope first. They are usually amazing when it comes to questions.
I have a problem that the chain drops on the front blade in mud conditions. In top gear because then the chain is very crooked en drops then. Very annoying!
get a 2x problem solved
Sounds like your chainline isn't ideal.
it factory-made, by Canyon
@@Remmie1977 doesn’t matter. You likely want to move the drive side crank in more towards the frame. Are you running the M8100 or M8120 crank?
New SLX brakes have the same power, and they are cheaper, for those who are poor. ;)
Can you do alivio? :D
He talked about it, search the channel and you'll find it.
Sir is your bike a 27.5 or 29?
That’s 29
Should I buy the m8100 or m8120 crankset for Merida Big Nine NX Edition boost frame
You are an orbea user now bro? 😅
please do a GRX test-comparison!
Man clutches on sram are a joke shimano shits all over sram the fact that u can service a clutch is a good thing i just put a xo1 in the bin and bought a shimano xt best decision ever and one more thing shimano clutches are way stronger reducing chain slap so give yourself a uppercut
thank you very much Sir.
I mixed up XTR M9100 with E13 12 Speed Cassette!! This is all you need. And you save a lot of money...
You save even more money buy using xt instead of xtr ^^
You'd have to get your own weight down to compensate for the heavier bike though.
i prefer sram level t, level have more information, and i stil have power to stopie with 1 finger. Shimano on my opinion have 2 option on/off, and sram will work at -30 on my fatbike
sorry for bad english, I'm just a uneducated Russian
I don't like sram product in general because they are too difficult to service
i have not seen any deore 12 speed, guess i should've waited to the end of video, DOH.
When am cycling and Stop pedaling RD & Chain comes forward
Make sure the clutch is on. When it's not, it feels like what you are describing.
It sounds like freehub drag. Service your hub and make sure it is freewheeling with ease. This usually happens on smaller cogs, right?
@@michiganstate149 thanks
@@alecs616 thanks much.
Best economical combo is rd-m7100 and sl-m8100 shifter.
As usual, get a xtr shifter with xt rear derailleur.
Reason sir?
@@irachristianpepito6901 Because shifting is usually nicer with an XTR shifter and the upgrade is not too expensive.
@@rewind9536 bought for 100 euros used an xt derailleur and xtr shifter
Shimano > Sram
Cost is no object. XTR only. I’m fat guy that doesn’t even race.
Best bang for the buck early 2020: XT shifters, SLX mech and the 11-50 Sunrace cassette. Works on regular Shimano freehubs and costs about the same as a "high end" cassette.
Tobias Stamenkovic Ergh no. SLX mech is made from cheese and doesn’t last and a sunrace cassette will not shift as well as a sram cassette or even shimano.
Want new video from your races with your comments!
OK, talking about XT group set, but the derailleur is XTR... 2:39
That bike comes with xtr mech all the rest is XT, bit misleading thou..👍
Shifting performance depends on shifter most of the time.
Use SX derailleur with XX1 shifter and you will be supriset how well performs.
Maintance, weight etc. are other point.
Sorry, but i don't want my mtb chain 🔗 or the cassette to have rust or wear out so i'll buy XX1 groupset or at least X01 groupset, in near future 😉
Currently I'm using a Merida One Sixty 600 [2018]
Mihai Chiran use a good chain lube and it won’t. Also use kmc chains they won’t rust
Nu iti trebuie sram xx1 ca sa nu ti rugineasca foloseste un ulei.Simplu.
I’ve got the SLX 12 sp cassette, derailleur and chain, for pure winter riding (rain,mud,salt) and I’ve not seen any rust, the last 3 months. So I don’t know what you’re on about?????
@@wonderwatch2239 I don't know what you're on too, because i didn't spoke with you & i didn't ask you nothing.
I don't even smoke, & i don't even drink very often. Maybe you smoke & drink occasionally.
You should take your meds, because you start giving replies on people's comments without their consent. 🤦♂️
@@mihaics23 dude are you alright? if you comment something on RUclips is obvious that you can get replies, and if your transmission rusts, you don't even know how to keep them running wekl
You think I don't need XT because I don't race? That's a pretty closed minded statement.
Your statement is pretty closed minded too
@@AbrahamBarberi please explain
@@AbrahamBarberiPretty close minded to think that his statement is pretty close minded.
Deore shifter is rubbish, didn’t last 3 weekend riding months on my new mtb.
I consider everyone who brakes with more than 1 finger noob no matter how long he rides.
Jokes on you. my brakes just dont work.
I consider ppl that brake noobs.
😆😆😆👊🤘
@@GabrielTinqMarques GG =)))))
there are brake levers made for two fingers, some maguras def have them, But I dig
Stopped watching when you said 2 e-bikes.
Peter Scott stop bring an elitist
@@ajs0350 I'm not a elitist. Just not interested in anything to do with e-bikes.
Who cares!
Short brake levers suck. The closer your finger is to the pivot the greater angle change making them more sensitive to fluid volume to maintain a parallel contact point with the bar. Levels are more ergonomic and powerful enough to stop Nino Schurter....
Everyone has their own opinion. I think if possible everyone should try both for a while and then decide what they like better. Same with drivetrains.