ive got the xtr brake rotors mounted recently on my XT Brake and they are absolutly amazing. the 203 on the front is a little bit evil on the bite but it stays cool and dont changes color even after multiple agressive downhill rides it looks like new. i had other rotors and everyone changed its color quickly due to heat.
Yes, and anywhere there are horses and mules. Here in the States, clicking sounds like rattlesnakes readying to strike, and that doesn't go over well with the animals or their riders.
Both of my bikes have combinations of Shimano and SRAM components. Don't believe the hype about needing the full groupset to get proper performance -- as long as they use standard sprocket spacing and chain width, the rest of the drivetrain parts are almost entirely interchangeable.
The more i see modern XTR, the more i love the first gen. M900. Perfect function and style- less complicated but also more efficient, being a 3x8 transmission versus 1x12, guess we're going backwards now :)))
A 10t sprocket increases the gear range quite significantly, but in reality will be the sprocket which is used least, so the gains from the larger jockey wheels should still be in effect.
GMBN Tech thanks for the answer. I agree with you on the overall efficiency gain, specially on a single ring system, where chainline is always an issue.
I feel like this is still counter intuitive. Larger wheels for less friction in a spot in the drivetrain which sees very little power with tiny cogs at an area which sees tons of power. This has always been a reason to stay 2x for me as the top 3 gears always feel awful to pedal. I'd rather run a 14-whatever giant gear with two chainrings to keep the same 500+% range. If your even lightly sprinting to 500 watts, I can't imagine that top gear distributing power any better than 100 watts per tooth.
I've used the ceramicspeed pulley argument on other threads as well. Same page. I remember racing 6 or 7 years ago when xc was just starting to convert their bikes to 10 speed 1x. I had an xt tripple up front and always beat them to the top. My chain wasn't dropping, either, and thats on rocky mountain trails. I still hold that the ubiquity of 1x has a lot more to do with SRAM noticing a trend, already not able to make a decent front mech, and dumping money into 1x PR instead of derailleur R&D.
Couldn't agree more! I just regred it became a norm a not an option. As for me, 26" and double ring will always make it easier on the climb, and more playful on the descents.
if you are in a low gear and go down a steep downhill or stairs a chain guide is a absolute must, the chain will drop with a clutch engaged, and narrow wide chainring, I ride a lot of up and down, so for me it's necessary.
Sram being American has 50 teeth on larger sprocket..as the States and stars on the Flag. Shimano instead just went efficient and normally delivered 51..it maybe that or it’s just marketing and coincidence, great builds both of them but XTR stands out as ALWAYS
@@burkeculligan4756 NIce name btw, but no, I believe Misty was inferring that Shimano should have paid Doddy to actually launch the product b/c he does it so much better than they themselves do. Doddy just does these b/c he's an awesome guy with GMBN who loves MTB.
Good job Doddy! Always thought Shimano was such a cool company. This was geeky indeed. I don't know how they're going to top that with their next iteration. It'll have to be like, "you design your own!!! Yay, you're the CEO of Shimano!!!"
Can you use the XC brake levers with the Enduro calipers? I really like carbon levers, especially on cold days in the Rockies it makes a big difference but would prefer the braking power of the more powerful brakes. I like the idea of a silent hub. It's a bold move in a world where it seems like the louder the hub, the more it costs. I like the way they're going there.
Actually it sucks. I have the XT version. I love Shimano but it's a crap design. Just wish I had researched before I bought. I would never have bought it. Lots of user complaints. Mine creaked and howled.
Definitely do not like riding with others who have a really noisy freehub, find it steals concentration and is just annoying. The less noise from the bike the better, really helps you enjoy the trail, and adds another sensory input into what's going on beneath you.
Put some Dumonde FreeHub Oil in them and enjoy the benefits of the high engagement and smoother roll with less feeling that a bee is chasing you on tight switchbacks, pumping situations, or under braking. Hearing the tires really does make a difference in those scenarios. "Luckily" I have crap Formula hubs, so some Dumonde made them practically silent. You really do notice the difference
Grease is for the hubs, either to slide in cartridge bearings or for cup and cone with ball bearings. I'd be shocked if that was specified for the freehub, maybe a touch on the pawls. Typically you don't want hub grease anywhere in the freehub. Your freehub is probably expensive so it's good to keep it oiled
The rotor looks like a shuriken!! Although it also looks like an enhanced rotor design trickled down from road rotors. One important thing missing about the cassette is, it's not one piece unlike SRAM one. The smallest 4 cogs can be removed. It would be much better if the largest 3 cogs can also be disassembled for better repairability. (Maybe possible for next year XT?) The hub must be the highlight, slient ratchet design is super nice. Just want to know will Shimano trickle this hub tech to road hubs.
personally I think that for the xt-slx versions they will go for cheaper materials, and aim for more steel cogs, avoid titanium and maybe also the alloy ones for durability (the xt goal in the previous generations)
You guys should make a video comparing the brake rotor temperature after the same descend. Just to see how much difference does this ice tech, freezer, whatever tech does over the cheaper aftermarket simple steel ones!
Hi Doddy, Does the free-stroke adjustment do anything now, or does it still have no effect? I don't think I've seen this addressed in any of the first-look reviews. Thanks for the great content.
An awesome piece of engineering!!!.... . I'm at the moment using an XTR groupset Di2 2x11 so I'm not sure if I would return to the mechanical system because the Di2 system is really flawless but I must admit I'm drooling at the great engineering put on this groupset!.
So they discontinued Di2. Maybe it will live on in XT. I actually considered upgrading my current SLX/XT setup to XT Di2 because it sucks constantly having to change the shifting cables.
Heres how I see it, quieter freehub bodies were associated with cheapness and poor engagement for such a long time and conversely loud and distinct clicks were usually only found on high end and high engagement hubs. Soon we will all realize that actually you can have an awesome quality, long lasting hub that has high engagement and does not need to notify the entire town that it is engaging :) #hearinggriplevels #Sylence
silent hub is useful for racers. you dont want to let other racer know you are attacking or coasting. this is clearly why its made for XTR where the R stands for Race.
I looked up the patent for the silent rachet system and its an interesting design but it makes me wonder why they dont just use a standard ol one way bearing. Also silent and have been tried and true for 100 years in tons of other applications. Maybe it just wouldnt be "fancy" enough...
Any info on wether they will make this electric? The 2x Di2 with one shifter seems really appealing. Also why didn’t they just launch this electronic from the get go? Are Shimano maybe working on wireless shifting?
because nobody cares and their shoes rub on the cranks? seriously, I have 4 bikes with clipless pedals, and all cranks are in pristine condition. just pay atention to install the cleats properly so you don't rub the cranks with the inner side of the shoes and you will not wear off the cranks. other tip is to increase the release bolt tension of the pedals, so you will have less play on the cleat/free angle of the shoes.
Fully comprehensive intro that, except.....................................Di2? What are the options with that. And can you still mix the rear mech with road shifters and via e-tube set the shifter to run 1x12 or would you have to run it as a 1x 11 setup? Naturally this would favour a 29er dropbar bikepacking bike, monstercross superbike or a swanky gravel come cyclocross race bike setup. The reduced drag freehub body would properly suit dh racing could this be something in the pipeline for future saint hubs?
I like Shimano cassettes, shifters & rear mechs...but will never use Shimano chains again - was using them in the late nineties but always broke them when I put any torque through them. I found SRAM chains to be stronger and always liked the power links, but the strongest chain I found was Rohloff (that thing was indestructible). Nowadays I use KMC, they're as strong as SRAM imo & the slotted ones with hollow pins are much lighter so a win/win for me (they come in pretty colours too). Nothing shifts like a Shimano cassette though, & I don't like any other shifters on the market so it'll be Shimano 'til I die for those parts.
How many holes on the straight-pull version of the rear hub? And would that be more (or less) suitable than J-style for a heavy rider wanting to use 12-gauge or stouter spokes?
I need to take my old hard tail apart so I can state the model, but I have had a silent, small increment freewheel since 1994 on my old Haro Vector V3. It is the original hub. SILENT is beautiful because like you said, tire grip and nature is all you here. If I need to be noisy I add a bell to my bike.
13:09 great feature, that was missing, but one thing is missing, but it's not all the adjustment I need, there is no inward and outward, on my setup my thumb will rub the grip every time I shift, cus I got 34mm Revgrips, hand sizes, and grip thickness, thumb length all of it matters, I am sure there are people that need even more adjustment than me, So far I did fine with XTR M9000, but it's not perfect, but it's a very light shifter. I would need shifter triggers about half cm towards me, to not rub the grip, and get good finger position. Another thing I wish they fixed is rotating play in the whole shifter between the clamp & shifter body, I don't know if that's fixed but its a gripe I got with M8000 & M9000.
I'd go one by, flat peddles and hope clicky rear hub all the way without a doubt oh and 4 pot xtr breaks too, though I use hope six pots so I'll keep my breaks.
thanks Doddy! what’s the total weight of the group set? just bought the xtr trail version pedals to match everything. however, the rubber seals tend to come off. any fix on that?
so the 11speed cassette has the same gap between sprockets as the 12speed ones but its just missing one sprocket+spacer? (ie its not compatible with older shimano 11speed drivetrains?)
My question is: are all Centerlock rotors compatible with other brands? Can I mount Shimano xtr ice rotors with a magura 4 piston caliper/ DT Swiss system.
Is that a new class MTB-Marathon?? Thank god someone's keeping my gear-inches available.I can't find a review with the side swing FD in poor conditions :-(
Great review as always but forgive me for being a doughnut, if I want change my gear range and my cassette, I've now got to change my wheels and complete gear set? It seems just a bit crazy from times past of swapping the one component to this is nuts!
Love XTR. As far as Silent Hubs, quick shout to Onyx hubs and their Sprag Clutch system. Zero drag, completely silent and Instant engagement. Heavier tho, but can't beat instant engagement.
NO aluminum cogs , ever ! Silent hubs please . I prefer a 2x drive cog set up front . When on pavement it actually helps My old knees . Great video Sir , thanks
It's been a long time in coming, and the wait seems worth it... rather like the idea of a silent freewheel but will it remain as a possible mid-race failure like a pawl freewheel ? Loving the twin pot brakes, and the lever improvements are a step forward (flexy M8000)... overall, well done Shimano... now i just need to part with a kidney to buy it...
The silent hub is really a big thing! I wanted to buy the XT version but heard that it's "partially" silent, meaning that depending on speed suddenly the ratchet mecanism would be heard roughly in random alternation... this turned me so off because i'd really rather have a constant noise than a sudden random noisy component.
I'm looking to get my 2019 Cube Analog converted from 3 x 9 to 1 x 12. Is there a certain clearance space that is needed between the wheel and frame that is needed for it to be compatible? Since I bought the bicycle me in October last year I have only used the center sprocket in the front so its pointless having 3 x on the bicycle me. I won't be buying XTR because its too expensive but I will go with deore xt again.
I love the idea of silent hubs. I want to hear if anything is going wrong on my bike, and what's happening on the trail around me.
My vote: "Silent"
Neighborhood dogs vote: "I want to hear him coming"
Like the two-point support of the XTR brake lever... Beautiful gear!
For the love of god pump that tyre up on the shed wall!!
😬
I know what you mean. I had 2 watch the video twice. The barbecue melted tyre distracted me.
Hi
ive got the xtr brake rotors mounted recently on my XT Brake and they are absolutly amazing. the 203 on the front is a little bit evil on the bite but it stays cool and dont changes color even after multiple agressive downhill rides it looks like new. i had other rotors and everyone changed its color quickly due to heat.
I like the scylence hub , really a piece of art
Just wow shimano really is on another level
That silent hub would be great for mountain biking vlogers!
Yes, and anywhere there are horses and mules. Here in the States, clicking sounds like rattlesnakes readying to strike, and that doesn't go over well with the animals or their riders.
thats exactly what i was thinking!!
@@ericpmoss Unfortunately, at least where I live, you have to get off your bike for horses no matter the bike you ride.
This one is perfect www.trueprecisioncomponents.com/tpc-products/mtb-rear-hub/
@@Samsonmetaphysical they are not longer available
One of the most detailed and precise review I have ever watched. Great work
Makes me wonder what would trickle down to XT M8100. Perhaps some new tech would also be specked in the new XT.
I'm gonna wait for that trickle down to XT as well :P
I'm waiting for SLX ;)
Tomi Saaranen the Slx groupset is pretty new so I don't think there will updates for it
Im gonna wait for that trickle down to alivio to become shadow+ and 1x9. Could be possible they havent updated it in a while
@@rapidash1999 i dont think 1x9 is happening, thats too low of a range and if they make it like a 10-50, the cassette jumps would be huge
Man, I could only wish. Absolute eye candy.
Shimano nailed it! Kudos for the engineers that made this possible👍
I like the louder hubs not only because of the buzzy sound it makes but also because it alerts other trail users I'm approaching.
I really like the 1x12 and the quiet rear hub!
Shimano will always be the King. Always more reliable for me than SRAM components.
Brakes, yes. Drivetrain never
Jakub Stonawski All bike parts are too fragile for the price besides wheel axles.
Sram made one by and are still the goat
3 eagle derailleurs in 1 year. shimano xt and slx 12 speed cannot come soon enough
Both of my bikes have combinations of Shimano and SRAM components. Don't believe the hype about needing the full groupset to get proper performance -- as long as they use standard sprocket spacing and chain width, the rest of the drivetrain parts are almost entirely interchangeable.
great video leanred a lot I have bulls copperhead XTR and trek rail 9.8 xtr it out right now
The more i see modern XTR, the more i love the first gen. M900. Perfect function and style- less complicated but also more efficient, being a 3x8 transmission versus 1x12, guess we're going backwards now :)))
Hello, what's the logic behind using bigger jockey wheels to reduce friction, and then placing a 10 tooth sprocket on the cassette?
A 10t sprocket increases the gear range quite significantly, but in reality will be the sprocket which is used least, so the gains from the larger jockey wheels should still be in effect.
GMBN Tech thanks for the answer. I agree with you on the overall efficiency gain, specially on a single ring system, where chainline is always an issue.
I feel like this is still counter intuitive. Larger wheels for less friction in a spot in the drivetrain which sees very little power with tiny cogs at an area which sees tons of power. This has always been a reason to stay 2x for me as the top 3 gears always feel awful to pedal. I'd rather run a 14-whatever giant gear with two chainrings to keep the same 500+% range. If your even lightly sprinting to 500 watts, I can't imagine that top gear distributing power any better than 100 watts per tooth.
I've used the ceramicspeed pulley argument on other threads as well. Same page. I remember racing 6 or 7 years ago when xc was just starting to convert their bikes to 10 speed 1x. I had an xt tripple up front and always beat them to the top. My chain wasn't dropping, either, and thats on rocky mountain trails.
I still hold that the ubiquity of 1x has a lot more to do with SRAM noticing a trend, already not able to make a decent front mech, and dumping money into 1x PR instead of derailleur R&D.
Couldn't agree more! I just regred it became a norm a not an option. As for me, 26" and double ring will always make it easier on the climb, and more playful on the descents.
Finally the RT-MT900 rotors are HERE!
Omg , the scylence hub is like a freecoaster, awesome, now I want one , either that or onyx
BTW, great video! Finally I've got to see how actually that single-lever shifter works.
Thanks Kenny !
Doddy! can you do the XT and SLX 12 speed too please!
Every one so blown away for silent hubs. Onxy are there for years now with much better technology and absolute instant engagement.
I like the pinch bolt cranks, they don't come loose, they have a good mating surface of the circumference.
if you are in a low gear and go down a steep downhill or stairs a chain guide is a absolute must, the chain will drop with a clutch engaged, and narrow wide chainring, I ride a lot of up and down, so for me it's necessary.
Sram being American has 50 teeth on larger sprocket..as the States and stars on the Flag.
Shimano instead just went efficient and normally delivered 51..it maybe that or it’s just marketing and coincidence, great builds both of them but XTR stands out as ALWAYS
Shimano should of paid Doddy to launch this a month ago. Great breakdown
Cheers Misty the Samoyed!
Isn't that what we just watched?
@@burkeculligan4756 NIce name btw, but no, I believe Misty was inferring that Shimano should have paid Doddy to actually launch the product b/c he does it so much better than they themselves do. Doddy just does these b/c he's an awesome guy with GMBN who loves MTB.
Make your bike silent but never ever try take away the noice of hubs chris kings pro4s there sounds that come with mountain bikes
Silence XT and SLX hubs please
Good job Doddy! Always thought Shimano was such a cool company. This was geeky indeed. I don't know how they're going to top that with their next iteration. It'll have to be like, "you design your own!!! Yay, you're the CEO of Shimano!!!"
Can you use the XC brake levers with the Enduro calipers? I really like carbon levers, especially on cold days in the Rockies it makes a big difference but would prefer the braking power of the more powerful brakes. I like the idea of a silent hub. It's a bold move in a world where it seems like the louder the hub, the more it costs. I like the way they're going there.
bro just wear gloves
You can't beat the sound of a Hope hub.
Who agrees?
That XTR hub is badass. Look at it, it's incredible. A ratchet system designed for silence. Bravo!
Actually it sucks. I have the XT version. I love Shimano but it's a crap design. Just wish I had researched before I bought. I would never have bought it. Lots of user complaints. Mine creaked and howled.
@@johndef5075 Oh no! Sorry to hear that... thanks for letting me know.
Absolutely Brilliant Run Through!
Definitely do not like riding with others who have a really noisy freehub, find it steals concentration and is just annoying. The less noise from the bike the better, really helps you enjoy the trail, and adds another sensory input into what's going on beneath you.
We love just hearing the sound of our tyres on the dirt.
You should ride with people who pedal more, then.
i roll on wonderfully noisy Hope hubs 😊
Put some Dumonde FreeHub Oil in them and enjoy the benefits of the high engagement and smoother roll with less feeling that a bee is chasing you on tight switchbacks, pumping situations, or under braking. Hearing the tires really does make a difference in those scenarios. "Luckily" I have crap Formula hubs, so some Dumonde made them practically silent. You really do notice the difference
@@damienbradley9209 Nope. Marine grease, as specified, and loud engagement.
i reserve ninja mode for when i'm on foot.
Grease is for the hubs, either to slide in cartridge bearings or for cup and cone with ball bearings. I'd be shocked if that was specified for the freehub, maybe a touch on the pawls. Typically you don't want hub grease anywhere in the freehub. Your freehub is probably expensive so it's good to keep it oiled
Now I can be silent but deathly with that hub 😂😂
Osmar Bakmeyer you have been able to for a while now with the better onyx hubs.
Doddy, in your opinion, what part would you consider to be the “crown jewel” of a group set? The crankset or the rear mech?
still don't know what i think of the silent hub, i love the clicks but having nothing but the sound of the trail and nature would be really cool!
The rotor looks like a shuriken!! Although it also looks like an enhanced rotor design trickled down from road rotors.
One important thing missing about the cassette is, it's not one piece unlike SRAM one. The smallest 4 cogs can be removed.
It would be much better if the largest 3 cogs can also be disassembled for better repairability. (Maybe possible for next year XT?)
The hub must be the highlight, slient ratchet design is super nice. Just want to know will Shimano trickle this hub tech to road hubs.
personally I think that for the xt-slx versions they will go for cheaper materials, and aim for more steel cogs, avoid titanium and maybe also the alloy ones for durability (the xt goal in the previous generations)
a long time ago i was lucky enough to race on the 1st gen XTR its always been the best
You guys should make a video comparing the brake rotor temperature after the same descend. Just to see how much difference does this ice tech, freezer, whatever tech does over the cheaper aftermarket simple steel ones!
you think you can use the brake discs on other brakes? I like the cooling on it..
Ok give it away now😂
For me, the 1X11 would be perfect.
A 10-45 would offer plenty of range, since I'm only using an 11-42 atm, and I love a light bike.
I like to try the E*thirteen cassette 9-46 11speed with XTR Derrailer and shifter🤔🤔
Hi Doddy, Does the free-stroke adjustment do anything now, or does it still have no effect? I don't think I've seen this addressed in any of the first-look reviews. Thanks for the great content.
An awesome piece of engineering!!!.... . I'm at the moment using an XTR groupset Di2 2x11 so I'm not sure if I would return to the mechanical system because the Di2 system is really flawless but I must admit I'm drooling at the great engineering put on this groupset!.
So they discontinued Di2. Maybe it will live on in XT. I actually considered upgrading my current SLX/XT setup to XT Di2 because it sucks constantly having to change the shifting cables.
I am so thankful for you!
The silent hub is the dream and this groupset is so nice! pity its well out of my price range :)
We're pretty torn here at GMBN about silent hubs or not
Heres how I see it, quieter freehub bodies were associated with cheapness and poor engagement for such a long time and conversely loud and distinct clicks were usually only found on high end and high engagement hubs. Soon we will all realize that actually you can have an awesome quality, long lasting hub that has high engagement and does not need to notify the entire town that it is engaging :) #hearinggriplevels #Sylence
silent hub is useful for racers. you dont want to let other racer know you are attacking or coasting. this is clearly why its made for XTR where the R stands for Race.
I looked up the patent for the silent rachet system and its an interesting design but it makes me wonder why they dont just use a standard ol one way bearing. Also silent and have been tried and true for 100 years in tons of other applications. Maybe it just wouldnt be "fancy" enough...
14:38 Nice Hex bolts, this makes it easier, if you already got a Hex set,but it would be nice if they were the same size.
Any info on wether they will make this electric?
The 2x Di2 with one shifter seems really appealing.
Also why didn’t they just launch this electronic from the get go? Are Shimano maybe working on wireless shifting?
probs to early to ask this but does the finish still wear off the cranks after two rides?
Trogg They should be playing around with kashima coated crank arms
Trail Work That would look sexy as fuck.
what if you try adjusting your cleats so you don't rub the cranks with your shoes?
Frank Castle so why does it happen on every shimano crank
because nobody cares and their shoes rub on the cranks? seriously, I have 4 bikes with clipless pedals, and all cranks are in pristine condition. just pay atention to install the cleats properly so you don't rub the cranks with the inner side of the shoes and you will not wear off the cranks. other tip is to increase the release bolt tension of the pedals, so you will have less play on the cleat/free angle of the shoes.
I love the click of my freewheel. Its kinda a meditation thing as I'm almost home
Great video.
Shimano all the way. Will you be putting this on any of your bikes?
Nope. I like sram eagle GX cassete + XO1 other components
Shimano is my first choice for everything
I spot the new HD and are you teasing us with a 2.6 TK in the background?
That massive range cassette would be a dream for me
When is XTR going to be available after market in the UK?
Fully comprehensive intro that, except.....................................Di2? What are the options with that. And can you still mix the rear mech with road shifters and via e-tube set the shifter to run 1x12 or would you have to run it as a 1x 11 setup? Naturally this would favour a 29er dropbar bikepacking bike, monstercross superbike or a swanky gravel come cyclocross race bike setup. The reduced drag freehub body would properly suit dh racing could this be something in the pipeline for future saint hubs?
HG+ optimizing for aluminum is a good design. The lower level hubs are going to be very similar in weight to XTR but much less expensive.
It's nice 2 dream about xtr groupsets. Reality 4 me is XT gears. Zee chainset + front brake. Slx filling in the gaps. I always will be a Shimano man.
I like Shimano cassettes, shifters & rear mechs...but will never use Shimano chains again - was using them in the late nineties but always broke them when I put any torque through them. I found SRAM chains to be stronger and always liked the power links, but the strongest chain I found was Rohloff (that thing was indestructible). Nowadays I use KMC, they're as strong as SRAM imo & the slotted ones with hollow pins are much lighter so a win/win for me (they come in pretty colours too). Nothing shifts like a Shimano cassette though, & I don't like any other shifters on the market so it'll be Shimano 'til I die for those parts.
Will hope manufacture the new micro spline hub of Shimano? I don’t want to buy a new hub just for this Groupset.
How many holes on the straight-pull version of the rear hub? And would that be more (or less) suitable than J-style for a heavy rider wanting to use 12-gauge or stouter spokes?
If I could run it?
My monthly payment is about enough for the rear derailleur.
But amm 2x11 I guess.
I like those hubs tho.
Beautifully engineered now I just have to mortgage my house and to get the groupset.
Hello, could you tell us why there is a Shimano parts embargo ?
I need to take my old hard tail apart so I can state the model, but I have had a silent, small increment freewheel since 1994 on my old Haro Vector V3. It is the original hub. SILENT is beautiful because like you said, tire grip and nature is all you here. If I need to be noisy I add a bell to my bike.
can you use xt ice tech rotors with slx calipers and breaks ??
13:09 great feature, that was missing, but one thing is missing, but it's not all the adjustment I need, there is no inward and outward, on my setup my thumb will rub the grip every time I shift, cus I got 34mm Revgrips, hand sizes, and grip thickness, thumb length all of it matters, I am sure there are people that need even more adjustment than me, So far I did fine with XTR M9000, but it's not perfect, but it's a very light shifter. I would need shifter triggers about half cm towards me, to not rub the grip, and get good finger position.
Another thing I wish they fixed is rotating play in the whole shifter between the clamp & shifter body, I don't know if that's fixed but its a gripe I got with M8000 & M9000.
Are the brake calipers the same front and rear?
Have the alleged issues with the cranks (manufacturing?) been fixed? New spez epic evo sworks is full xtr but runs race face cranks...
Mr Doddy sir. Can you tell me what watch you wear please. Looks mint
Do they do a boost version
I'd go one by, flat peddles and hope clicky rear hub all the way without a doubt oh and 4 pot xtr breaks too, though I use hope six pots so I'll keep my breaks.
It seems that they went back from direct mount to traditional mount in the rear derailleur.
Thank god!
Silent freehubs... I used to love the sound of old White industries freehubs ... class. ...and I'm still running '93 XTR SPD's !
I would run 1x12 with a 36t up front and the 10-51 on the back, I'd go for the xc brakes and pedals too with the dropper setup!
No XTR 12 speed M9100 Grip shifter?
thanks Doddy! what’s the total weight of the group set? just bought the xtr trail version pedals to match everything. however, the rubber seals tend to come off. any fix on that?
Will the new XTR pedals develop slop after a few hundred miles like the last generation?
Hello Gmbn,
Question on shimano 4 pistons
Are they compatible with 180mm Front and 160mm Rear discs ?
Many thanks
Are the xtr 2pot xc brakes supports ice tech pads?
Would the droper post lever work like a suspention lockout?
so the 11speed cassette has the same gap between sprockets as the 12speed ones but its just missing one sprocket+spacer? (ie its not compatible with older shimano 11speed drivetrains?)
My question is: are all Centerlock rotors compatible with other brands?
Can I mount Shimano xtr ice rotors with a magura 4 piston caliper/ DT Swiss system.
Is that a new class MTB-Marathon?? Thank god someone's keeping my gear-inches available.I can't find a review with the side swing FD in poor conditions :-(
anyone know when the xt and slx trickle downs are being released?
Can you run a single speed cog on the hub? I'd love to build wheels out of them for my Dirt Jumper
Great review as always but forgive me for being a doughnut, if I want change my gear range and my cassette, I've now got to change my wheels and complete gear set? It seems just a bit crazy from times past of swapping the one component to this is nuts!
i missed shimano silent hub but wish they make cone and cup replaceable.. end game..
Love XTR. As far as Silent Hubs, quick shout to Onyx hubs and their Sprag Clutch system. Zero drag, completely silent and Instant engagement. Heavier tho, but can't beat instant engagement.
NO aluminum cogs , ever ! Silent hubs please . I prefer a 2x drive cog set up front . When on pavement it actually helps My old knees . Great video Sir , thanks
Are hubs with bearings cartridges or traditional (shimano prefered) ball&cones
It's been a long time in coming, and the wait seems worth it... rather like the idea of a silent freewheel but will it remain as a possible mid-race failure like a pawl freewheel ? Loving the twin pot brakes, and the lever improvements are a step forward (flexy M8000)... overall, well done Shimano... now i just need to part with a kidney to buy it...
when it will be available to buy in Europe?
Can I use 11 speed 10-45 cassette with GRX 810?
The silent hub is really a big thing! I wanted to buy the XT version but heard that it's "partially" silent, meaning that depending on speed suddenly the ratchet mecanism would be heard roughly in random alternation... this turned me so off because i'd really rather have a constant noise than a sudden random noisy component.
Hi Doddy, which tyre is that hanging on your wall? Size, width?
I'm looking to get my 2019 Cube Analog converted from 3 x 9 to 1 x 12. Is there a certain clearance space that is needed between the wheel and frame that is needed for it to be compatible? Since I bought the bicycle me in October last year I have only used the center sprocket in the front so its pointless having 3 x on the bicycle me. I won't be buying XTR because its too expensive but I will go with deore xt again.