LOGISTICS STRIKES Is A Game CHANGER! - HOI4 No Step Back
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2022
- Logistics strikes are broken in HOI4 no step back. Hoi4 supply was tough but now bombing makes more of a headache. Hoi4 dev diary's show the beauty of railroads now enjoy the hoi4 exploiting of strikes turning trains to dust.
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Hearts of Iron IV is a grand strategy wargame developed by Paradox Development Studio and published by Paradox Interactive. Released on June 6, 2016, it is the sequel to Hearts of Iron III and part of the Hearts of Iron series of grand strategy games focusing on World War II. The player may take control of any nation in the world in either 1936 or 1939 and lead them to victory or defeat against other countries.
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IF THIS VIDEO GETS 20K LIKES. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN
Challenge accepted
Tamam
I WILL HAPPEN
Ah yes, the same faustian bargain oft made on first dinner dates applied aptly to youtube. bravo, sir. (i liked the video anyway.)
THATS REALLY COOL
When massive Halifax can somehow telepathically sense your little truck doing milk delivery in german countryside from hundred miles away and guide 250lb present to you, your immediate surroundings and half the town just because you're in what nominally counts as a truck...
Brits be like : STRIKE IT!!!
Hahaha
Hey Feedback, just a tip is to use the divebombing spirit in the first slot of the airforce, it will reduce the cost of making cas variants by an absurd amount, you can make some crazy variants with it. super op
WELL SPOTTED! Some of the air sprits are mad OP
RAF moment
@@DaveFeedBackGaming The whole officer corps is OP as hell with some of the spirits. The key is picking a doctrine first, since some spirits are locked behind doctrines.
Do you know what Project Air Power spirit does? Cant find anything on it
Online or in game.
@@gabrieldorr513 Hovering over it should give you information on it.
Honestly, they need to have logistical strikes be affected by either division AA or province AA. It's too overpowered if the only counter is fighters.
AA is mad effective vs CAS. But what do you do vs 10k CAS?
@@DaveFeedBackGaming rush AA2 and make a template of 15cw (7 inf - 1 aa)
@@DaveFeedBackGaming If they're on ground attack, 2x line AA in a division can destroy them in 5-6 months. But you can't shoot any of them down when they're on logistical bombing, it becomes obscene.
@@DaveFeedBackGaming I think AA doesn't work against logistical strike mission though. I think @Robert Alaverdov is right.
@@DaveFeedBackGaming clearly the answer is: you make 12K CAS.
CAS is so powerful for both ground attack and logistics strike. Once again, great video, a true Hoi4 teacher.
How is this comment 23 hrs old when the video is 6hrs old
@@bumpierfall2493 ı am a time traveller
Hey Feedback! Just because it seems like you’re not sure why some of the stranger things are happening, if you take a deviant path as a major nation, the (typically Minors) AI will sometimes decide “wait a second, you’re not playing historically, so why should I!?”. So despite it being set to historical, not everyone will play along.
But UK plays historically
Facts. every time I've done a Tsarist Russia run, Lithuania thinks it can takeover Poland.
dude seriously the last time i tried to play as portugal and join the allies america decided it would be a good idea to attack the netherlands and join the axis
@@megasimp8885 XD
Not even just taking a deviant path.
As Germany I played historically up until I beat France, Poland, and Britain before 1941 (almost got the true blitzkrieg achieve).
Russia declared war on Japan, and USA and Mexico formed the “European Coalition” faction.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics"
Its just ridiculous how much you have to fix when your enemy turns logistic strike on.
Yeah, it makes it quite painful to play as minors. I almost got "it's lit" but apparently I was conducting war from a bombed out crater
My tried and true Germany build from over 50 ironman games is hamstrung by the Allies' incessant divebombing
I once destroyed the entire axis airforce with fighters and CAS as Russia. Then i logistic bombed them and could easely overun the Germans. It is a very easy tactic to use if you want to do the no step back achievement.
I find the game gets really tedious when all you're doing is building railroads.
It feels like I am playing Transport Tycoon.
Transport tycoon
City Skylines
@@etherealhawk At least Skylines is less tedious.
I like railroad tycoon :)
Not familiar with transport tycoon though....
Transport Fever 2...with GUNS!
There should be an option to automatically prioritize building and repairing railways in the front your fighting. I get that pain of just spamming railways instead of actually fighting
This^
Well sir you need to pay 10 more dollar for that
Hey Feedback, when the Spanish civil war starts u have a few days at which the world tension is 5%. So you can so the shadow scheme much earlier then januari 1937.
I thought you need all 70 days to be over 5 world tension or it cancels
@@yoavroten it has been a while since i played Britain. I don’t remember if it needs to stay 5% or not
@@rubendeurloo2754 it needs to stay 5%
@@joelwit6878 No, it does not. If it starts above 5%, it will continue even when the requirements are not met.
Yes. I think it is roughly 17 July 1936. Complete 2 focus, then Steady as She Goes, then leave it blank until the axis sends stuff to Spain, and there is the window to grab shadow scheme and beyond
Can you cover how insanely unplayable minors have become with the new supply system Feedback? Can you break that meme for us mere mortals?
FeedBackGaming saying that CAS is broken in Hearts of Iron 4 is like saying the sky is blue.
4:38
You can send an attache to Spain and if you do, you should have the war support you need for it with Stanley Baldwin. You might have to fall back to Early Mobilization if tension stays very low, or if Spain dies too quickly... But you can get Partial in late 36 if you do that.
The moment I discover the worth of Air Force, they give more worth to Air Force
Well said der roten baron
Logistical strike is op especially japan vs china cuz even the little amount of railroads that china has you just destroy them and their equipment and win the war pretty quick
Also big army so they need loads of supply and have no air
@@tobinrose2330 yup
When the video starts with Dave being patriotic you know its going to be a good video.
you should have taken the air spirit which reduces cost of air plain upgrades at like 75 % off. this spirit is affected by chosen air doctrine their is one for cas , one for strat bombers and a third one. itslike 50 air exp and you can get a max upgraded air model for like 525 air exp.
That's cool and all but having all your logistics fulfilled and still having "no supply lmao" in random spots is very frustrating
I think it has to do with paradox still sticking to the "if you don't own the province you don't get supply" be
Like dude I'm sure the trains and trucks can just drive up to the front and unload there, no need to keep the province thing in still
Railways and supply hubs take five whole ass days to flip. Not too bad with a general infantry offensive but when your motorized and tanks are outrunning your rail network it’s infuriating. Especially when you’re fighting someone specked into “entrenchment speed” five days is or is nearly full entrenchment.
I loved that maxed range fighter 3. We have these sweet new engines that will go really far and fast! But sometimes they just explode when you take-off. Good luck, pilot!
Reliability for planes has such a miniscule impact that it's nearly meaningless. Accident chance is like 0.1%*(100-reliability). If you're losing more planes to bad reliability than to the enemy, it means you've won the air war.
@@magni5648 Losing that amount on every takeoff and landing does add up tho
@@marthvader14 Let's say you have a really bad reliability of 50% on a type planes. The formula means then that you will lose 1 plane per day if you have 2000 of them flying missions 24/7. (The game only rolls once per sortie, and any given plane can fly one day and one night mission per day.)
It's basically not even a rounding error. If you have 2k+ of a plane type actively operating, you're liable to be producing several per day.
@@magni5648 No, if the reliability is 50, you lose 0,1%×50= 5% of your planes at takeoff and at landing. At 2000 planes you lose 200 planes per mission cycle and I think if you let them fly day and night there are 2, maybe 3 mission cycles per 24h. By designing planes with low reliability you destroy your airforce yourself without an enemy needed
@@marthvader14 That's not how it works with percentages involved. It's 0.1%x50%, aka 0.1%x0.5, not x50. So you're losing 0.05%, or one in 2000 planes per mission cycle.
I nearly died with the Churchill clip. Awesome vid!
This feels like the comfiest video you've ever had to make, Feedback.
You've made the case that CAS is so unbelievably good that they couldn't possibly need another buff.
And here we are.
I really like the editing in this one
“Come back at 10k hours”. Fucking love it. Legend.
Epic meme on the thumb nail. Great video!!
"sorry for not trading more" - from the one Canadian fan.
So, Alex The Rambler was indeed right all along!
I immediately learned like 4 crucially important tidbits to playing England well within just the first 3 minutes
Ok so those few ahistorical things that happened, like the non-intervention comittee from France and Latvia's civil war, probably happened because you went with "Global Defense", which is the ahistorical route. The AI automatically tries to balance out ahistorical actions by the player, even when playing on historical. That can reach from small things like in your game here, all the way to a Soviet civil war which I had once while on historical AI focuses.
Sadly, those seemingly small can also have a ripple effect like having the Soviets declare on an Estonia that refused annexation due to being in the Axis for example.
Edit: fixed some typos.
Also Allies helped dutch too, not only Belgium but it was too late
18:26 it is the novice lieutenant who concerns himself with strategy, it's the experienced general who's concerns are with logistics
I have a question, for efficiency and effectiveness, how many divisions of air wings do I need for CAS, is it 100 like Fighter divs or 200 like in this video?
Brittania rules the.... skies?
I think if you do it with Canada it's better, because the British troops are themselves super important to the war in Europe
Canada with their 3 factories? YOU MAD? I'm onto you Canadian!
@@DaveFeedBackGamingcanadian air force go brrr
@@DaveFeedBackGaming Canada gets a decent Amount of Factories trough Focis and furthermore through trade ect. The Canadian Industry isn't a joke.
@@dr.wahnsinn9913 Said no one ever
Does this mean it is more effective to just make straight cas/bombers when focusing on a strategy like this and forget about fighters? Do they provide enough air superiority on their own?
Depends on who you are playing. You can't prevent bombing with the CAS so you will still need fighters to stop enemy bombers. A country like Germany will have a way harder time with CAS alone.
@@Azsunes Thanks! I tend to play a lot of minors.
Against a major who's seriously invested in fighters, you'll be throwing your CAS into a woodchipper without fighters of your own.
@@magni5648 But he is playing against the AI. CAS can hold their own against previous tech fighters and the AI is very easy to outnumber in air battles.
Nothing like watching a British video with black tea
Feedback you know you can do both bombing types at the same time right?
What in God's name happened to Spain in the peace deal. That has got to be the most cursed thing I've seen in a while.
Found this out myself and did a nearly fully air invested Germany. Couldn't break France because of bad supply, but I just set 2k CAS and 5k fighters over them and destroyed their supply. Killed Soviets in about a year and killed Britain within 2 weeks of landing.
Logistic strikes are really strong, especially against the Soviets to divert production to things like trains and motorized.
Tactic works since the first hearts of iron, you simply kill more on the frontline than there industry can reinforce the frontline.
If you add one "Verdun" still attacking area, with tanks, you simply grind them to no units with overrunning.
No problem (From your one canadian fan)
Never knew that UK's flag is copy-pasted, they cannot even see the red-white stripes offsets.
Warden or Collie, this frontliner stands in support with the LOGI Union! ✊
cas whent from good to god.
Liked, left this comment. Going to enjoy this video after work! Love you Dave 🥰
Awesome! Thank you!
@@DaveFeedBackGaming I lied, watching right now
Feedback Gaming videos changed my life
3:18 hows our hardened maple syrup tires doing?
Sure love when Paradox hides features needed to do well in a new update behind DLC FOR FUCKS SAKE
What was that spain? It hurts just looking at it
Would you make a tutorial for monarchist Poland? Im having some problems with it
Who needs fighters when we have CAS!
"Who cares about navies?"sound sarcastic when a British says it
Logistics strike ? At first I thought this was a Foxhole video.
Ngl I was already doing the African Ports strat, you just validated my doing so.
3:18 HEY THATS ME
17:55 The lyrics is so fitting
What the name of the music?
Relatively new to the game. Was wondering if taking out supply lines was worth it. Found that it was a pretty effective strategy. Just have to be ready to repair that infrastructure when you occupy. Also, loved the Dschinghis Khan "Moskau! Moskau! near the end.
Logistics strikes are a game changer.
Logistics strikes ARE a game changer.
I don't got time to build supply im doing cas on logistic strike so if my army have bad supplies and can't avance so will be my enemy but my division under low supply is better
"pink is my new obsession" i see a little wink to Aerosmith here!
bro can u help new guide for achivment Bearer of Artillery?with no step back
This is pretty much how all my USSR games have gone since the patch release ignoring tanks and spamming CAS or tactical bombers, the Germans push into sectors were you are bombing the logistics and they get to a stage they have no supply and no org and you can just push them back to Berlin easy as you just move the bombing sectors stopping them for getting supply back.
logistical strikes will become some hoi4 player PTSD
concentrate is better than disperse, you stack more factory output in the long run
Yes but you are never at 100% eficiency
@@diogonetto1847 you will never have 100% efficiency early-mid game, because you are going to get a lot of new equipment. And if you rush tools you will get more efficiency growth
the tryhards tested it and disperse pays out late 41 or mid 42
@@Fran-yk6jo By 41-42 production is basically irrelevant on a macro scale. Concentrated gives the best bonus for most countries
@@willwalsh7591 ...41-42 is normally when thing go into high gear for everybody and equipment losses go through the roof. Production is never MORE relevant on a mcro scale than at that moment.
It's unbalanced. Ground attacked? Go fighters or go AA brigades. Strat bombed? Go fighters or go static AA. Naval bombed? Go fighters, CAG fighters or naval AA. Supply bombed? Go fighters or go home.
Gee, it's almost as if air defenses weren't a good substitute for having air superiority of your own IRL, too.
Oh lord, that Spain in the final peace has a silent S
CAS is awesome for the big Push esp with Tanks. You still need Fighters though. Tac and Strat Bombs are better for Logistic Strikes, But Strat Bombs as the UK is a waste, Tac Bombs are better for the UK. Really only 2 CIVs that can produce Strat Bombs USSR and the USA.
I still don't see what logistics strike has over ground support, you'd have wiped out the German army entirely if you were just bombing them directly
11:32 - wait, these symbols are jerry cans? always thoought they are just wooden crates
I find exercising planes works if you select only daytime
does anyone know what the names of the songs are in this video?
Feedback be RPing as a Navvie
You as Churchill 😂
I think that, just as the Port Strike mission by torpedo bombers damages ships on port and the naval ports themselves, the Logistics Strike mission should also bomb airports and have the ability to destroy enemy planes stationed on that airport. Attacking enemy airports and planes that didn't take off was a tactic used by all sides on the war and it was performed by essentially CAS and tactical bombers. Strategic Bombers just don't seem to hit enemy airports very well, much less enemy planes and even so you would prefer your strategic bombers to hit enemy industry.
As I believe air should work:
- Close Air Support mission: attacks enemy divisions. CAS excell in this one
- Logistics Strike mission: attacks enemy trucks, trains, railroads, radar, airports (and planes stationed on that airport) and fortifications (damage to forts and reduce enemy entrenchment). Tac Bombers excell in this one
- Port Strike mission: attacks enemy docked ships and damages naval ports. Torpedo Bombers Excell in this one
- Strategic Bombing: damages enemy industry and infrastructure. Strat Bombers excell in this one
This provides a good niche for every type of bomber with some space for variation, and makes tactical bombers and carrier CAS way more useful
Really like the thumbnail!
Thanks bud
THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME!
hoi4 is now a city builder XD
Transport tycoon 4
Frankly, I'm happy about that. I can not only fight wars to make my empire, but meticulously plan how my empire will run.
Something about seeing the little trains go choo choo through the railway lines I made for my empire makes the serotonin sector of my brain go bbbbrrrrrr
Whats the artillery division template?
Yo, I just got over 200% defensive bonus from entrenchment as Democratic Netherlands, try out the far right path of the focus tree, easily the most fun Democratic game you'll play
Great video
I'll have you know that you have at least two, TWO Canadian fans. I happen to know the other guy.
Me as a eu4 player : did you say local autonomy ????
I wouldn't be disappointed with 9.2 inch.
BL 9.2 inch. Is it a railway gun or is it a very precisely cut sandwich 🥪 🥸🤌
Forgot to like...... fixed it tho. Great vid mate, thanks! MOOOOORE!
CAS is no longer underrated... now it's a must have
The stupid part is that is still underrated, because every update make it more OP. Sooner rather than later the meta will be 1W motorized AA armies and CAS. 😂
It was never underrated, best way to break any front without losing millions of manpower.
Please redo this video with the new air system. I wanna see the CAS fighters you come up with.
I need more dave!
If you are playing with Turkey, select "air crew survey" in the first step. Because we have bad modifier about that
Why would anyone play with turkey? I like them only baked with potatoes.
@@dakedakinson64 ok
Oh Boy not taking a focus for over 10 days... im trembling
The game runs much slower now than before, even in 1936 it lags
This is why i always do debug_smooth lol.
@@attempt5074 yea i tried that, but not much changed
@@fourthstage9375 debug_smooth makes ingame time faster but not the lag itself so that is why..
Hi dad
This strat is even more overpowered with fascist uk as you can use the civil war to exploit air xp. You do this by seizing Southern England in the war, pushing up to Liverpool (without taking it) and just leaving your airforce up until you can get the good spirits and doctrines. Then you can obliterate the French with
Could you get away with tac bombers doing the same? I really hate how poor range cas has, especially when the fight moves to Asia.
Yep
Paradox taking notes to nerf CAS
I'm pretty sure TAC is far better at Logistics Strike, will have to do some tests :)
It is but it's also more expensive to produce and it doesn't do CAS as well as an actual CAS plane does.
So in this case the quantity is better and you get more flexibility.
Tac bombers are great in areas like Asia where the distances are long and airfields are scarce.
HE NOTICED HIS CANADIAN FAN! THATS ME! :D
that logistics bombing is basically what the allies did in france, but 1944, not 1940, in 1940 they couldnt do that.
the germans ability to move troops and equpment in france was severly hampered after d day.
Don't Portugal-me bro. Or I'll get Spain.
I got up to 300 strikes per day as ussr
Tactical toaster reload mmmm