Motorcycle Lane Positions Explained - Why is Lane 3 Most Important
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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Great video, mate! BFD folks - call it position if you fancy. Take what matters - the key is to stay in lane/position 3! I'd not blame this man for using lane 1/2/3 because that's what they teach in motorcycle schools!!!
As a new rider, I'm trying to be more aware of my positioning. Your so right about the position irresistible urge car drivers have to overtake at any opportunity if they're 'stuck' behind me on my bike.
A good sensible video and I can see why you use L3 in preference to L2. I note you are not a slow rider and don't hold others up & want maximum visibility.
My friend passed his motorcycle test 40 years ago and has hardly ridden any bike since. Sensibly he had a few refresher lessons but they told him he rides too slowly, he has to speed up.
I have followed him down country B roads. These are 60mph roads and he rides at 35-40mph maximum in L3. I said it is dangerous because it causes following traffic to bunch up because they cannot overtake. If he was doing 35-40mph in L2, at least when it is clear ahead, vehicles can overtake. He isn't causing congestion. He disagrees with me as driving school says L3.
Question: Am I right to suggest L2 if he wants to ride at 35-40mph on a de-restricted road. Personally, I find it aggravating and I am following on a motorcycle wanting to do the speed limit.
Hi. New rider here and enjoyed the vid. Interested on your thoughts on 2 scenarios.
1. With no driver behind you and no oncoming driveways/junctions on the left, on a sweeping right bend are you in lane 3 still or are you in lane 1 so you can see further ahead?
2. On a motorway or dual carriageway, when you're in the right-hand lane (both lanes moving as expected) are you in lane 3 or are you in lane 1, staying closest to the other moving lane?
I've been in lane 1 for those scenarios but wondering if it's something you wouldn't advise. Cheers
Great video. Thank you.
Lane one is the inside lane, where one could say the inside tyre tracks of a car would be . So its not right up to the kerb or grass verge as some would think. That has been disregarded nowadays in the latest Police Roadcraft manuals as being too dangerous. However I can't see how it could be a filter lane as hat line would basically be taken up by cars and on a two lane carriageway with two lanes of traffic travelling in the same direction then a bike filtering would be between those two lanes and one could say around and about the mid point or lane line giving equal distance to vehicles on both sides so not using lane 1 as described.
Lane 2 is okay when alone? Its ok when other traffic is about as you are splitting the distance to dangers like the pavement and peds. on one side and the oncoming cars on the other., The only problem is sometimes there are man hole covers or inspection covers as they may now be called. They are metal and shiny and slippery when wet but if riding straight over them they don't constitute any great danger. One might lose grip for a milli second but once back on to tarmac the grip is held again. The problem is two things, on a bend and leant over one might consider not riding over it as being at a lean angle and that loss of grip when wet could de stabilise the bike for longer and off you come. The other danger of such inspections covers is that at times the road surface sinks around them and that's then like riding into a hole and then hitting a kerb coming out of it depending of course on how dropped it is. So dropped grids or covers should be avoided.
Now! Lane 3 is now the furthest position out towards but not too close to the mid white line. So you are not or should not be in too much danger from being hit by oncoming traffic as you were with the older lane 5 position which was as close to the mid white line and sometimes even seen to be on or over it. The rider says that position 3 improves vision of the road ahead but at 5.03 he is catching up with a wide bus and he moves from position 2 where we can see a blue car at the nearside junction to a position where that car and its presence is now almost blind to us now. Indeed if we had obtained that position 3 from the start I doubt that we would have seen that car or the cars driver ability to see us approaching. Take this further if we cannot see a car at that junction then surely no driver at that junction can see us. Is that a good position to be in. I think not. The car drivers seeing the bus and will wait for it to pass him and on seeing nothing else approaching behind it. Remember we are now being hidden by our position 3, the driver looks but is missing us and so he may decide to pull out and he when he does that as the bus passes him he sees us for the first time and we see him also but all too late. So is position 3 the safest position to be in.? You can make your own minds up on that one.
Wracking my turnip brain, who does this guy sound like? Is that you Christian Horner? 🙂 Totally makes sense about lane 3! Great vid!!
I should have made it clearer, it is required to give a signals when changing road lanes in UK, but I wanted to know is it necessary for changing "lanes or tracks" within a road lane like you say?
At 8'02 you changed lanes and filtered between traffic taking the central line as your path and not a no. 1 position. . However the point is that you rode past the cars on both sides of you to take up a position on space that was specially reserved for bicycles and in doing so you committed a moving traffic offence with a £60 or £ 90 fine and 3 penalty points on your licence. Nice one.. Well done, or you should be. .
Do you have any concept of the meaning of a speed limit?
Those signs with the numbers on are a maximum not a minimum.
Absolutely right, but when in blind twisties i use line one or two bcoz the oncoming idiot may not be able to steer to his line 1 that fast.
what’s a blind twistie?
@@airfork192 blind twisty is sharp curve
@@lallumanohar4107 A twisty is a sharp bend or bends where vision is drastically reduced so that you cannot see totally around them so anything around the bend or on its blind side is blind to you. so a blind twisty.
Are we doing 43 mph in a 30 mph zone. or don't we care at all about speed limits when catching up to buses.?
Stay back ride wide. Mix it up. Always have an escape route. And vision is king, both ways.
On straights 2, on right curves 2, on left curves 2, on greasy roads 3.
At this moment in time sports bikers cannot see over the top of most cars and sports bikes represent nearly half of the bikes sold in the UK. Further with modern SUVs and E cars being build they are very much higher and wider than standard cars as are vans etc. and even smaller cars now have blackened windows and seat headrests so its almost impossible to see anything through their windows or above and over the vehicle in front.
Its no use seeing some 500 yard up the road ahead and preparing yourself for things if you are not going to see and take into account what is happening directly closer to you. Your riding is abysmal, you exceed the speed limits with impunity, you Tailgate and fail to see junctions and cars which become blind to you due to a mistaken interpretation of safe road positioning.
Very very good vid,(but I think your terminology is suspicious! lane 1 lane 2 lane 3, all in the same road lane very confusing, surely because your talking about motorcycle riding they should be changed to track 1 track 2 track 3 in the same road lane).
Q. When changing these lanes within the same road lane 1,2,3, should you give signals? like changing from 3 to 2, or 2 to 1 or even from 2 to 3 etc, sorry your vid did not cover signals for others to understand what you are doing, good vid though.
Using the term ‘LANE 1, 2, 3’ is very confusing, using POSITION 1, 2 & 3 (within your lane) is more appropriate, the term generally used by the IAM and is less confusing, particularly when you’re explaining your in ‘LANE 1’ going around a round a bout 🤔
In position 3 you can only see down the offside of the bus and nothing mire some 90% of the road is blind to you and I bet you didn't see the cyclist in front of the bus did you. Also by being only some 40 ft. behind the bus or for that matter any large vehicle like a HGV you are recommended to pull back even further than the safe stopping distance to see more past it.
Lane one idiots overtake you,😲 lane two you're riding in the oil slick😫 , lane three is for me. 😁
Not necessarily so. Its quite some time since British vehicles spilled their oils onto the roads surface. Since the 1970's when Jap cars came along the roads have been oil less. Even diesel nowadays is almost a thing of the past. But then if you have good tarmac that is what I say has plenty of aggregate so its aggressive and the peaks and troughs will hold any diesel and stop it from spreading. The worst parts of the road are those areas far worn by car tyres the positions 1 and 3 as the aggregate has been worn down or away to nothing and you are riding on just tar or bitumen. Anything spilled on those worn areas will spread wide and become a greater danger and when wet or damp those shinning areas will cause you to take longer and further to stop in unlike the mid lane, position 2 that will still hold aggregates in it.
Yes it is confusing when talking about lane1 and 2 and lane 3 when there are actual lanes on the road, so why not refer to them properly as positions 1 -2 and 3 in say lane 1 or 2?
And cycle boxes at traffic lights are for cycles, not for motobikes that filter. If doing educational videos you should observe the highway code and that includes speed limits. Whats the point talking about safe positioning when you are promoting excess speed?